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First the trailer. Finally a movie to look forward to:



But it reminded me of one of the great mysteries of WWII: why did Hitler issue the Halt Order when he had Dunkirk surrounded:

"In one of the most widely debated decisions of the war, the Germans halted their advance on Dunkirk. Contrary to popular belief, what became known as "the Halt Order" did not originate with Adolf Hitler. Gerd von Rundstedt and Günther von Kluge suggested that the German forces around the Dunkirk pocket should cease their advance on the port and consolidate, to avoid an Allied breakout. Hitler sanctioned the order on 24 May with the support of the Oberkommando der Wehrmacht (OKW). The army was to halt for three days, which gave the Allies time to organise the Dunkirk evacuation and build a defensive line. Despite the Allies' gloomy estimates of the situation, with Britain discussing a conditional surrender to Germany, in the end over 330,000 Allied troops were rescued.

The true reason for the decision to halt the German armour on 24 May is still a matter of debate. One theory states that Von Rundstedt and Hitler agreed to conserve the armour for Fall Rot, an operation to the south. It is possible that the air force's closer ties than the army's to the Nazi Party contributed to Hitler's approval of Göring's request. Another theory—which few historians have given credence—was that Hitler was still trying to establish diplomatic peace with Britain before Operation Barbarossa (the invasion of the Soviet Union). Although von Rundstedt after the war stated his suspicions that Hitler wanted "to help the British", based on alleged praise of the British Empire during a visit to his headquarters, no evidence exists that Hitler wanted to let the Allies escape. The historian Brian Bond stated:

'Few historians now accept the view that Hitler's behaviour was influenced by the desire to let the British off lightly in [the] hope that they would then accept a compromise peace. True, in his political testament dated February 1945 Hitler lamented that Churchill was "quite unable to appreciate the sporting spirit" in which he had refrained from annihilating [the] British Expeditionary Force, at Dunkirk, but this hardly squares with the contemporary record. Directive No. 13, issued by the Supreme Headquarters on 24 May called specifically for the annihilation of the French, English and Belgian forces in the pocket, while the Luftwaffe was ordered to prevent the escape of the English forces across the channel.'

Whatever the reasons for Hitler's decision, the Germans confidently believed that the Allied troops were doomed. American journalist William Shirer reported on 25 May, "German military circles here tonight put it flatly. They said the fate of the great Allied army bottled up in Flanders is sealed." BEF commander Lord Gort agreed, writing to Anthony Eden, "I must not conceal from you that a great part of the BEF and its equipment will inevitably be lost in the best of circumstances". Hitler did not rescind the Halt Order until the evening of 26 May. The three days thus gained gave a vital breathing space to the Royal Navy to arrange to evacuate the British and Allied troops. About 338,000 men were saved in about 11 days. Some 215,000 were British, 123,000 were French – of whom 102,250 escaped in British ships."


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Hitlers early supporter and friend Hermann Goering's Luftwaffe missed out on this campaign. Many historians claim the delay was to accommodate the actions of the absent Luftwaffe into this 'assured victory'.
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Hitlers early supporter and friend Hermann Goering's Luftwaffe missed out on this campaign. Many historians claim the delay was to accommodate the actions of the absent Luftwaffe into this 'assured victory'.
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no.

its clearly a last ditch effort to bring peace between the two nations.

nothing more and nothing less.

if you research what happened to rudolf hess.

you'll completely understand it all very much...

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As always, it was a sum of many things. It would be silly to say that there was only one reason for the debacle at Dunkirk.


Rundstedt and von Kluge probably thought it was unnecessary to throw in prime fighting material into the already doomed pocket.

At this stage of the war, Hitler didn't like the idea of humiliating the Great Britain, as he was still hoping for an end to hostilities with the British Empire. Heck, he had even offered the Great Britain a chance to get out of the war as long as they stayed out of the continent and focused on her Empire (the implication being that he would not have fucked with it), instead.

Then there was, of course, the pompous and ambitious Göring who wanted to demonstrate how his air-force could do anything. The same thing happened during the siege of Stalingrad, when Göring promised to airdrop impossible amounts of supplies to the surrounded German armies. In both cases, he and his air-force failed to deliver.
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Hitlers early supporter and friend Hermann Goering's Luftwaffe missed out on this campaign. Many historians claim the delay was to accommodate the actions of the absent Luftwaffe into this 'assured victory'.
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no.

its clearly a last ditch effort to bring peace between the two nations.

nothing more and nothing less.

if you research what happened to rudolf hess.

you'll completely understand it all very much...

bonghit
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Garbage.
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The British were running with their tails between their legs.
It took two or three days for Hitler to figure out they were running away. In hindsight he thought they would dig in and fight not run.
Advance on the beaches Churchill said. LMAO
Will they have that in the movie?

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Hitlers early supporter and friend Hermann Goering's Luftwaffe missed out on this campaign. Many historians claim the delay was to accommodate the actions of the absent Luftwaffe into this 'assured victory'.
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no.

its clearly a last ditch effort to bring peace between the two nations.

nothing more and nothing less.

if you research what happened to rudolf hess.

you'll completely understand it all very much...

bonghit
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Garbage.
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bump
For real history!
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Hitlers early supporter and friend Hermann Goering's Luftwaffe missed out on this campaign. Many historians claim the delay was to accommodate the actions of the absent Luftwaffe into this 'assured victory'.
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no.

its clearly a last ditch effort to bring peace between the two nations.

nothing more and nothing less.

if you research what happened to rudolf hess.

you'll completely understand it all very much...

bonghit
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Garbage.
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Britain has been the warmongerer for centuries.

WW2 was no different.
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First the trailer. Finally a movie to look forward to:



But it reminded me of one of the great mysteries of WWII: why did Hitler issue the Halt Order when he had Dunkirk surrounded:

"In one of the most widely debated decisions of the war, the Germans halted their advance on Dunkirk. Contrary to popular belief, what became known as "the Halt Order" did not originate with Adolf Hitler. Gerd von Rundstedt and Günther von Kluge suggested that the German forces around the Dunkirk pocket should cease their advance on the port and consolidate, to avoid an Allied breakout. Hitler sanctioned the order on 24 May with the support of the Oberkommando der Wehrmacht (OKW). The army was to halt for three days, which gave the Allies time to organise the Dunkirk evacuation and build a defensive line. Despite the Allies' gloomy estimates of the situation, with Britain discussing a conditional surrender to Germany, in the end over 330,000 Allied troops were rescued.

The true reason for the decision to halt the German armour on 24 May is still a matter of debate. One theory states that Von Rundstedt and Hitler agreed to conserve the armour for Fall Rot, an operation to the south. It is possible that the air force's closer ties than the army's to the Nazi Party contributed to Hitler's approval of Göring's request. Another theory—which few historians have given credence—was that Hitler was still trying to establish diplomatic peace with Britain before Operation Barbarossa (the invasion of the Soviet Union). Although von Rundstedt after the war stated his suspicions that Hitler wanted "to help the British", based on alleged praise of the British Empire during a visit to his headquarters, no evidence exists that Hitler wanted to let the Allies escape. The historian Brian Bond stated:

'Few historians now accept the view that Hitler's behaviour was influenced by the desire to let the British off lightly in [the] hope that they would then accept a compromise peace. True, in his political testament dated February 1945 Hitler lamented that Churchill was "quite unable to appreciate the sporting spirit" in which he had refrained from annihilating [the] British Expeditionary Force, at Dunkirk, but this hardly squares with the contemporary record. Directive No. 13, issued by the Supreme Headquarters on 24 May called specifically for the annihilation of the French, English and Belgian forces in the pocket, while the Luftwaffe was ordered to prevent the escape of the English forces across the channel.'

Whatever the reasons for Hitler's decision, the Germans confidently believed that the Allied troops were doomed. American journalist William Shirer reported on 25 May, "German military circles here tonight put it flatly. They said the fate of the great Allied army bottled up in Flanders is sealed." BEF commander Lord Gort agreed, writing to Anthony Eden, "I must not conceal from you that a great part of the BEF and its equipment will inevitably be lost in the best of circumstances". Hitler did not rescind the Halt Order until the evening of 26 May. The three days thus gained gave a vital breathing space to the Royal Navy to arrange to evacuate the British and Allied troops. About 338,000 men were saved in about 11 days. Some 215,000 were British, 123,000 were French – of whom 102,250 escaped in British ships."


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Ah Dunkirk, the biggest military blunder of all history, including both the Germans for not attacking and the allies for being so stupid to leave their entire military force in one place. From 1939 to 1942, the allies did some pretty stupid things, namely and chiefly one of them being doing nothing during the invasion of Poland when they could have easily created a two front war and most likely would have stopped the long war.
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Hitlers early supporter and friend Hermann Goering's Luftwaffe missed out on this campaign. Many historians claim the delay was to accommodate the actions of the absent Luftwaffe into this 'assured victory'.
 Quoting: CMcC


no.

its clearly a last ditch effort to bring peace between the two nations.

nothing more and nothing less.

if you research what happened to rudolf hess.

you'll completely understand it all very much...

bonghit
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Garbage.
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Maybe not. Pat Buchanan sums it up nicely in his book Churchill, Hitler, and the Unnecessary War:

After the British escape at Dunkirk, because of his own “stop order” to his armored units not to advance into the undefended city, Hitler told Martin Bormann he had purposely spared the British army so as not to create “an irreparable breach between the British and ourselves.”

“The blood of every single Englishman is too valuable to be shed,” Hitler told his friend Frau Troost. “Our two people belong together racially and traditionally—this is and always has been my aim even if our generals can’t grasp it.”

On June 25, 1940, after the fall of France, Hitler telephoned Goebbels to lay out the terms of a deal with England. Britain’s empire was to be preserved, but Britain would return to Lord Salisbury’s policy of “splendid isolation” from the power politics of Europe. Here is the entry from Goebbels’s diary:

'The Fuhrer…believes that the [British Empire] must be preserved if at all possible. For if it collapses, then we shall not inherit it, but foreign and even hostile powers take it over. But if England will have it no other way, then she must be beaten to her knees. The Fuhrer, however, would be agreeable to peace on the following basis: England out of Europe, colonies and mandates returned. Reparations for what was stolen from us after the World War.'

What Hitler was demanding after his triumph in the west in 1940 was restoration of what had been taken from Germany at Versailles.

In his postwar book The Other Side of the Hill, Liddell Hart relates a conversation Hitler had at Charleville, after Dunkirk, with General von Rundstedt and two of his staff, Sodenstern and Blumentritt. The latter told Liddell Hart the conversation had come around to Great Britain:

'He [Hitler] then astonished us by speaking with admiration of the British Empire, of the necessity for its existence and of the civilisation that Britain had brought into the world…. He compared the British Empire with the Catholic Church—saying they were both essential elements of stability in the world. He said that all he wanted from Britain was that she should acknowledge Germany’s position on the Continent. The return of Germany’s lost colonies would be desirable but not essential, and he would even offer to support Britain with troops if she should be involved in any difficulties anywhere…. He concluded by saying that his aim was to make peace with Britain, on a basis that she would regard compatible with her honour to accept.
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HITLER DESIRED PEACE.

Duh.

I wonder if the film will explore this truth... or just pump out more anti-Hitler lies and bilge.
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Hitlers early supporter and friend Hermann Goering's Luftwaffe missed out on this campaign. Many historians claim the delay was to accommodate the actions of the absent Luftwaffe into this 'assured victory'.
 Quoting: CMcC


no.

its clearly a last ditch effort to bring peace between the two nations.

nothing more and nothing less.

if you research what happened to rudolf hess.

you'll completely understand it all very much...

bonghit
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Garbage.
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Maybe not. Pat Buchanan sums it up nicely in his book Churchill, Hitler, and the Unnecessary War:

After the British escape at Dunkirk, because of his own “stop order” to his armored units not to advance into the undefended city, Hitler told Martin Bormann he had purposely spared the British army so as not to create “an irreparable breach between the British and ourselves.”

“The blood of every single Englishman is too valuable to be shed,” Hitler told his friend Frau Troost. “Our two people belong together racially and traditionally—this is and always has been my aim even if our generals can’t grasp it.”

On June 25, 1940, after the fall of France, Hitler telephoned Goebbels to lay out the terms of a deal with England. Britain’s empire was to be preserved, but Britain would return to Lord Salisbury’s policy of “splendid isolation” from the power politics of Europe. Here is the entry from Goebbels’s diary:

'The Fuhrer…believes that the [British Empire] must be preserved if at all possible. For if it collapses, then we shall not inherit it, but foreign and even hostile powers take it over. But if England will have it no other way, then she must be beaten to her knees. The Fuhrer, however, would be agreeable to peace on the following basis: England out of Europe, colonies and mandates returned. Reparations for what was stolen from us after the World War.'

What Hitler was demanding after his triumph in the west in 1940 was restoration of what had been taken from Germany at Versailles.

In his postwar book The Other Side of the Hill, Liddell Hart relates a conversation Hitler had at Charleville, after Dunkirk, with General von Rundstedt and two of his staff, Sodenstern and Blumentritt. The latter told Liddell Hart the conversation had come around to Great Britain:

'He [Hitler] then astonished us by speaking with admiration of the British Empire, of the necessity for its existence and of the civilisation that Britain had brought into the world…. He compared the British Empire with the Catholic Church—saying they were both essential elements of stability in the world. He said that all he wanted from Britain was that she should acknowledge Germany’s position on the Continent. The return of Germany’s lost colonies would be desirable but not essential, and he would even offer to support Britain with troops if she should be involved in any difficulties anywhere…. He concluded by saying that his aim was to make peace with Britain, on a basis that she would regard compatible with her honour to accept.
'
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A little research erases 70 years of propaganda and lies.
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no.

its clearly a last ditch effort to bring peace between the two nations.

nothing more and nothing less.

if you research what happened to rudolf hess.

you'll completely understand it all very much...

bonghit
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Garbage.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72736060


Maybe not. Pat Buchanan sums it up nicely in his book Churchill, Hitler, and the Unnecessary War:

After the British escape at Dunkirk, because of his own “stop order” to his armored units not to advance into the undefended city, Hitler told Martin Bormann he had purposely spared the British army so as not to create “an irreparable breach between the British and ourselves.”

“The blood of every single Englishman is too valuable to be shed,” Hitler told his friend Frau Troost. “Our two people belong together racially and traditionally—this is and always has been my aim even if our generals can’t grasp it.”

On June 25, 1940, after the fall of France, Hitler telephoned Goebbels to lay out the terms of a deal with England. Britain’s empire was to be preserved, but Britain would return to Lord Salisbury’s policy of “splendid isolation” from the power politics of Europe. Here is the entry from Goebbels’s diary:

'The Fuhrer…believes that the [British Empire] must be preserved if at all possible. For if it collapses, then we shall not inherit it, but foreign and even hostile powers take it over. But if England will have it no other way, then she must be beaten to her knees. The Fuhrer, however, would be agreeable to peace on the following basis: England out of Europe, colonies and mandates returned. Reparations for what was stolen from us after the World War.'

What Hitler was demanding after his triumph in the west in 1940 was restoration of what had been taken from Germany at Versailles.

In his postwar book The Other Side of the Hill, Liddell Hart relates a conversation Hitler had at Charleville, after Dunkirk, with General von Rundstedt and two of his staff, Sodenstern and Blumentritt. The latter told Liddell Hart the conversation had come around to Great Britain:

'He [Hitler] then astonished us by speaking with admiration of the British Empire, of the necessity for its existence and of the civilisation that Britain had brought into the world…. He compared the British Empire with the Catholic Church—saying they were both essential elements of stability in the world. He said that all he wanted from Britain was that she should acknowledge Germany’s position on the Continent. The return of Germany’s lost colonies would be desirable but not essential, and he would even offer to support Britain with troops if she should be involved in any difficulties anywhere…. He concluded by saying that his aim was to make peace with Britain, on a basis that she would regard compatible with her honour to accept.
'
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A little research erases 70 years of propaganda and lies.
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The indoctrination of everything and everyone else however, takes a little bit longer.
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Hitlers early supporter and friend Hermann Goering's Luftwaffe missed out on this campaign. Many historians claim the delay was to accommodate the actions of the absent Luftwaffe into this 'assured victory'.
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Hitler was a British mole, from the beginning. Throughout the 30's, the USA, begged, Nazi Germany, for a warpact Alliance, against the Red Empire: The British Empire.

Throughout the 30's, Hitler flatly said NO! That is the real reason the British didn't start WW2 until 39. Any earlier, and the USA would of sided with Germany.

Also why, Eisenhower, was so utterly cruel towards the Germans, to "teach them a lesson for refusing the USA".
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Surprised to learn of Hitlers appreciation of the British...and the reason for the German halt at Dunkirk. I suppose I believe it because Pat Buchanan has a long history of getting it right.
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Just another piece of evidence that the wars are fake and run by the NWO.

330,000

33°

The Egyptians did a similar thing in the 1967 war.

And funny how that the "Arabs" were led by British officers in 1948 against Israel. When Balfour had delivered that note just 30 years prior.

crisis actors at the top with real dead pawns
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Follow the money. Who funded Hitler?
Where did those that funded Hitler reside?
This is not difficult, people.
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HITLER DESIRED PEACE.

Duh.

I wonder if the film will explore this truth... or just pump out more anti-Hitler lies and bilge.
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Hitler as a Rothschild Jew, dumbass. The real Nazis were all Zionists. So fitting that you would be a dumbass who falls for the neo Hitlerite bs and supports it to boot.
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Follow the money. Who funded Hitler?
Where did those that funded Hitler reside?
This is not difficult, people.
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The Nazis "captured" Baron Rothschild & kin.

To where did they "exile" the poor Baron?

Switzerland

To where did the Nazi loot go?

Switzerland!

what a cohencidence
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Christopher Nol..... sleeping
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no.

its clearly a last ditch effort to bring peace between the two nations.

nothing more and nothing less.

if you research what happened to rudolf hess.

you'll completely understand it all very much...

bonghit
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What's your take on Hess's actions. This has always been the single most intriguing part of WW11 to me. He allegedly flew to Britain on his own accord, tried to meet with a person he only knew of through others and was promptly arrested. Not a great plan, I've always thought there had to be more to this.
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