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| PlaneHerder
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 72643163  United Kingdom07/24/2016 04:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | All things written were devised to control, manipulate or merely influence a people's thinking. Be it education, religion or politics. In fact there is no separation from these three spheres as they go hand in hand. The bible and other similar texts are prisons for the mind and a mind strong enough or dating enough to realise this will taste the sweet freedom of truth that awaits them outside. |
| Mopie
User ID: 70926401  Japan07/24/2016 04:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Don't struggle too much, they are inspired writings in a world where the one who reads and the writer rely on the Holy Spirit. The problem is that most of us don't know where the line begins, moreover the understanding is contextual and applicable in truth some times on a case by case, some times in general theology. Moreover " I speak to you in parables" is like a stone to stumble upon but one that can crush us. A good book to start: [link to www.amazon.com (secure)] Misreading Scripture with Western Eyes E. Randolph Richards, Brandon J. O'Brien |
| Mopie
User ID: 70926401 Japan07/24/2016 04:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | All things written were devised to control, manipulate or merely influence a people's thinking. Be it education, religion or politics. In fact there is no separation from these three spheres as they go hand in hand. The bible and other similar texts are prisons for the mind and a mind strong enough or dating enough to realise this will taste the sweet freedom of truth that awaits them outside. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72643163 Question was for those with a deep understanding of Christian theology, the above shows superficial and coarse opinion of even basic history. Last Edited by Mopie on 07/24/2016 04:54 AM |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 72643163 United Kingdom07/24/2016 04:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | All things written were devised to control, manipulate or merely influence a people's thinking. Be it education, religion or politics. In fact there is no separation from these three spheres as they go hand in hand. The bible and other similar texts are prisons for the mind and a mind strong enough or dating enough to realise this will taste the sweet freedom of truth that awaits them outside. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72643163 Question was for those with a deep understanding of Christian theology, the above shows superficial and coarse opinion of even basic history. Yo mean basic history as written by historians? A mere scratch on the surface of what really happened? If you or anyone claims to be an authority on history then you deluding yourselves. Having said this I am familiar with a fairly extensive range of documented past events. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 72362921 United Kingdom07/24/2016 05:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It come with everyday prayer and slowly but surely you started to understand the false words twisted by tptb within the Romans Catholic Vatican so called Venetian Connection. At first I never could understand the different between Christianity, Catholics and Protestants at younger age the same with IRA terrorism fighting each other and I did not know that it was the Catholics vs Protestants. Christianity is neutral and to me Catholics and Protestants are a fucking tools now. They had been used Christianity for their power and glory advantages. If you cannot find any prophestess in the Holy Scriptures then it is indeed a fucking fake doctrine. Since Atlantis sunk, the Holy Qumran had mostly been destroyed from the public by tptb and they had persecutes female since then. In those days there was many holy temples and only female can enter the temple to manifest evil into good. Holy Temples had now been destroyed and the hypocrites Jews did tried to rebuild the Holy Temple called Solomon which had failed because men had build and tainted the Temple impure. The funny things about the hypocrite Jews refused to acknowledge the existence of Atlantis and yet they got the information of the Holy Temple from ATLANTIS. I'm telling you, there is more holes in all the religions included Hebrew, Jusiasm with Catholics and all it breakaway Schisms. Let me remind you all again: Christianity is not a religion, it is indeed an Essene straight from the Holy Qumran where Jesus did rescued and delivered us all from the false doctrine. Jesus even foresaw the raise of Romans and it schism religions and the raise of Islam more than 500 years before his time. Jesus foresaw WW1 and WW2 and said these things must come to past. :trump-FGTgi: |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1244404  Canada07/24/2016 06:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I feel the division among the various denominations come from the interpretation of the Scriptures. For a very long time, Catholics were greatly discouraged from reading the Bible unless led by a priest, who were told that lay people couldn't be trusted to understand the written word. So, all the people had to go on was what was delivered from the pulpit. This gave the church POWER over the thinking of the general faithful. Martin Luther broke the disposition toward that way of thinking and, thus, formed the Lutheran Church, which caused a division between Catholic and Protestant, which tranferred to the politicians as well, which in turn, brought about religious wars. So, OP, it isn't the Bible that is errant, it is the interpretation thereof which is causing strife in the world. Clerics and politicians alike are the reason for division and war. It will take indivual effort for people to take their Bibles in hand, reading it for themselves. The doctrine of Christ Jesus is all we need to break the chains of spiritual slavery and material poverty. Love God, and love your neighbor as yourself is all we need to change the world. That alone will break the POWER of the clerics and politicians who seek to keep us divided, where true judgment and justice cannot enter. |
| PlaneHerder
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 72618901 United States07/24/2016 02:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have had questions. Before I was born again;; I was ignorant of religion of any kind.. But when I was born again I had a immediate desire for doctrine/ Christianity etc... All I can give you is NOT words of great intellect or understanding of heavenly things;; but SIMPLY PUT:: John 16:12-16 If you as a seed (Luke 8. If you read the parable/ explanation) (That being said REALLY read the scriptures IF u are lead to) Again if u as a seed (for 100% of the world is) decide to know HIM AND HIS WAYS;; seeking specfic knowledge/ earnest questions will lead you to many ways... Then your human heart's desire comes into play... I have been through that pick and choose; cuz many beliefs / interpatations out here ,, but ultimately I waited till I KNEW THAT KNEW FROM HIM what's truth and what's not |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 5606438 United States07/24/2016 02:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Don't struggle too much, they are inspired writings in a world where the one who reads and the writer rely on the Holy Spirit. The problem is that most of us don't know where the line begins, moreover the understanding is contextual and applicable in truth some times on a case by case, some times in general theology. Quoting: Mopie Moreover " I speak to you in parables" is like a stone to stumble upon but one that can crush us. A good book to start: [link to www.amazon.com (secure)] Misreading Scripture with Western Eyes E. Randolph Richards, Brandon J. O'Brien good answer |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 72644512 United Kingdom07/24/2016 02:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here. Watch some porn then read this Bible Passage. Ok, so you don't HAVE to watch the porn. You will be surprised... [link to 1drv.ms (secure)] |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 72651896 United States07/24/2016 02:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Even the highest level of the most educated staunch atheists are forced to reckon with the substantial non-biblical evidence of actual existence of Christ Jesus (Y'shua). There is simply too much historical and geographical evidence that points to existence of a creator (Hebrew Biblical G-d) for a critical mind to dismiss it all as coincidence. Those who have done the research know of what I speak. There is plenty, and I mean plenty of Biblical evidence for Jesus that is translated word for word from our modern Bible, into Greek Septuagint that is then translated word for word with Dead Sea Scrolls. So there are 2 sources of well known ancient historical documents that support the Bible as mans guidebook for life from given to us directly from G-d as his Son manifested in Spirit, Life and Word. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 72651896 United States07/24/2016 02:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | First, this is not a "flame the bible tards" question. It is something I am struggling to understand and am simply looking for some perspective. Quoting: PlaneHerder The question is about bible inerrancy. I grew up mostly going to Church of Christ denomination churches, where apparently you're hell bound if worship includes anything other than vocal chords...amongst other quirks. Inerrancy of the bible, the King James Version specifically, was core doctrine. In my adult life I've attended mostly non-denominational or Baptist churches off and on. The inerrancy aspect or church doctrine seems to be universal in my experience. The fact that bible composition, as it relates to the books included and even the order of the books, has changed on several occasions and isn't that hard to prove if the research is done. My question (finally, I know...) is: Why is bible inerrancy common doctrine and why is it accepted as being so? I believe there is a God, a higher power, etc... My much questioned indoctrination of the stories of the bible to varying degrees makes it hard to truly believe much more than that. I don't doubt the inerrancy of God. However, I'll call bullshit on the supposed inerrancy of man every time. I hope my question and concern has been properly conveyed. I look forward to reading any real responses. I know some blind and unthinking followers will post replies like "God works in mysterious ways" or "the bible can't have errors, it's God ordained" or some other parroted easy explanation. Have fun... Christian haters, you guys have fun as well... I know the type of reply I'm looking for and others will be looked over. Come on critical thinking Christians, share your perspective with me on this one. Others will no doubt benefit from reading it as well. I can't be the only person questioning this. Thanks, GLP... So to answer your question, if G-d exists (he does) and his son exists (he does) and G-d in his own words said his Son is Perfect and inerrant, then the Word, which was made flesh, is also inerrant. This takes a fair amount of FAITH to BELIEVE! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 72611609 United States07/24/2016 02:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Paul said, he knew a man in Christ, who was caught up to the third heaven. He then said, whether in or out of the body, he didn't know, but God knows. If this was God speaking through Paul, would God say, I don't know, but only God knows? So this tells me, if some of the writers were "inspired" they or at least some still could've have been limited or made mistakes due to human errors or limitations. Regardless, the central message is clear and found in many books. Jesus' two greatest commands, which are to love God and love and help others. Although there may not be 100% proof of the Bible, there are evidences. This is one of many sources: [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 72651896 United States07/24/2016 02:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | First, this is not a "flame the bible tards" question. It is something I am struggling to understand and am simply looking for some perspective. Quoting: PlaneHerder The question is about bible inerrancy. I grew up mostly going to Church of Christ denomination churches, where apparently you're hell bound if worship includes anything other than vocal chords...amongst other quirks. Inerrancy of the bible, the King James Version specifically, was core doctrine. In my adult life I've attended mostly non-denominational or Baptist churches off and on. The inerrancy aspect or church doctrine seems to be universal in my experience. The fact that bible composition, as it relates to the books included and even the order of the books, has changed on several occasions and isn't that hard to prove if the research is done. My question (finally, I know...) is: Why is bible inerrancy common doctrine and why is it accepted as being so? I believe there is a God, a higher power, etc... My much questioned indoctrination of the stories of the bible to varying degrees makes it hard to truly believe much more than that. I don't doubt the inerrancy of God. However, I'll call bullshit on the supposed inerrancy of man every time. I hope my question and concern has been properly conveyed. I look forward to reading any real responses. I know some blind and unthinking followers will post replies like "God works in mysterious ways" or "the bible can't have errors, it's God ordained" or some other parroted easy explanation. Have fun... Christian haters, you guys have fun as well... I know the type of reply I'm looking for and others will be looked over. Come on critical thinking Christians, share your perspective with me on this one. Others will no doubt benefit from reading it as well. I can't be the only person questioning this. Thanks, GLP... So to answer your question, if G-d exists (he does) and his son exists (he does) and G-d in his own words said his Son is Perfect and inerrant, then the Word, which was made flesh, is also inerrant. This takes a fair amount of FAITH to BELIEVE! And Yes, I am saying that a physical Bible with paper and leather binding is a literal physical manifestation of Jesus (Y'shua) in our day and time. The fact you can hold it and read and it gives you insight and reveals to your soul who you really are and who G-d really is, is a supernatural miracle. No other Book is capable of transforming your life for good the way a Bible does. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 72601673 United States07/24/2016 02:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the Innerrorancy comes from the MIND control programs from Rome. They do not want people to learn to think for themselves...and obviously thus stuck in that cannot think for themselves and if they actually read the whole thing and actually knew something about God they would close it up and put it away and become GODLIKE which is what Jesus actually taught. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 70824227 United States07/24/2016 02:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | FALSE. that is NOT what Jesus, who is the only begotten son of GOD, taught at all. stop it with the lies. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 72644512 United Kingdom07/24/2016 02:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | FALSE. that is NOT what Jesus, who is the only begotten son of GOD, taught at all. stop it with the lies. FALSE. It is precisely what I am about. She has it on the nail. She knows who I am. Rome is a monster. Midnight mass and seven verses of In the Bleak Midwinter say it all. My army is ready. We March. Stay out the way son of Molech or you will be trampled. Allons-Y Mesdames! |
| -GLP-Christian-
User ID: 1187361  Sweden07/24/2016 02:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Because it is. [link to inerrancy.org] the thing is you just didn't look hard enough at the problems to solve them if you had a problem, all the "contradictions" are stuff that has already been answered, all the answers are out there. Get saved wretch: [link to biblebelievers.com] Everything you need to know about islam: [link to prophetofdoom.net] The Jihad Triangle: [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] FRANCE IS TEH GHEY! |
| Sunny Daze
User ID: 59490123 United States07/24/2016 03:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | with the exception of the first five books of the bible, which were channeled through Moses, directly from the entity who claims to be "the god of this world" ... the bible was composed by Romans ... who not only mis-quoted some passages (some say "edited") but also mis-translated a lot of it from the manuscripts that they had that were almost five hundred years old there is a reason, they wanted to unify all religions, into one "Catholic" version of "christianity" and why xian "holy" days fall on pagan holidayz - which was to satisfy all god-worshipers ancient rituals, and to validate the Roman's beliefs that gods, rule this planet ... and Jesus must be one of them --- but the most important reason was to establish that GOD is in control, and they work for god ... that the "pope" is actually God personified, so that whatever he said, would NOT be questioned once you understand, who created "the Bible" and what purpose it served, and when it was written, which is all documented, then you understand, why early Xians were not even allowed to read the Bible - or question Priests - because the Holy Roman Catholic CHurch - was more political than it was religious, and they could not have people questioning "gods" - they even changed the calendar, from the Moon cycle "natural" calendar, to one that honored the MANY gods the Catholics worshiped and celebrated if you are determined to be a god-worshiper, you should stick to the Torah, and learn Hebrew. |
| -GLP-Christian-
User ID: 1187361 Sweden07/24/2016 03:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Btw glad you escaped the Campbellite cult, now you need to escape the "There's errors and God is the author of errors because he's a mongoloid" cult. Ask yourself this question: Is God perfect or not? Also maybe you should look to see if you're actually saved, because if you are you ask God to help you with your problems, if you are saved he'll help you out with your theological questions. And if you're not saved well then you need to get saved: [link to biblebelievers.com] you sound like a flag that is carried by all sorts of wind of doctrines, one day you're there, next day you're over there and then the day after that you're at a third place. You don't seem settled at all, that's why you should check to see if you're saved, to be sure. Get saved wretch: [link to biblebelievers.com] Everything you need to know about islam: [link to prophetofdoom.net] The Jihad Triangle: [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] FRANCE IS TEH GHEY! |
| -GLP-Christian-
User ID: 1187361 Sweden07/24/2016 03:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 2 Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. God used his pen men. I hope you understand. Also there's the mathematical structures in the Bible that proves it is inerrant (remove certain words and the structure isn't there anymore), it's a very fascinating study, if you're saved ask him to show you. Get saved wretch: [link to biblebelievers.com] Everything you need to know about islam: [link to prophetofdoom.net] The Jihad Triangle: [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] FRANCE IS TEH GHEY! |
| S-wordlike
User ID: 22728347 United States07/24/2016 03:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | First, this is not a "flame the bible tards" question. It is something I am struggling to understand and am simply looking for some perspective. Quoting: PlaneHerder The question is about bible inerrancy. I grew up mostly going to Church of Christ denomination churches, where apparently you're hell bound if worship includes anything other than vocal chords...amongst other quirks. Inerrancy of the bible, the King James Version specifically, was core doctrine. In my adult life I've attended mostly non-denominational or Baptist churches off and on. The inerrancy aspect or church doctrine seems to be universal in my experience. The fact that bible composition, as it relates to the books included and even the order of the books, has changed on several occasions and isn't that hard to prove if the research is done. My question (finally, I know...) is: Why is bible inerrancy common doctrine and why is it accepted as being so? I believe there is a God, a higher power, etc... My much questioned indoctrination of the stories of the bible to varying degrees makes it hard to truly believe much more than that. I don't doubt the inerrancy of God. However, I'll call bullshit on the supposed inerrancy of man every time. I hope my question and concern has been properly conveyed. I look forward to reading any real responses. I know some blind and unthinking followers will post replies like "God works in mysterious ways" or "the bible can't have errors, it's God ordained" or some other parroted easy explanation. Have fun... Christian haters, you guys have fun as well... I know the type of reply I'm looking for and others will be looked over. Come on critical thinking Christians, share your perspective with me on this one. Others will no doubt benefit from reading it as well. I can't be the only person questioning this. Thanks, GLP... I hesitate to respond to your question. Because as it is worded all who would venture to respond would assume themselves to be of a deeper understanding above their fellows. Which would justly lay charges of arrogance against all res-ponders to this thread. I believe that it is not that the Bible is not the inerrant word of God, but that it is mans' inaccuracy to comprehend its meaning in our one/three of many dimensional realms. God's Word verifies/confirms this in a more lucid, but yet an enigmatic expression. His ways are not our ways, neither is his thoughts our way of thinking [Isa.55:8KJV.] So I believe that if man (generically speaking,) would have been created in another of God's many dimensions and not the one we exist in now. Then perhaps the concept of a blue sky would be nonsensical, or even the concept of the word blue. However, if the dimensional image of a different space and time was transferred momentary or longer to reveal such an ambience of another of the many dimensions. Even though witnessed by many, how could those who had not witnessed it in future generation not question its accuracy. I believe that is why it states without faith it is impossibly to please God. Therefore, I believe we are not meant to question God's Word for its accuracy, but to question ourselves as mortal beings as to what depth of understanding we are portioned to comprehend such things. This nevertheless is only my humble opinion of many reasons/purposes of explanations and not necessarily of any profound theory or of any accurate doctrine per-say. S-wordlike |
| Ezekiel 3:19
User ID: 70843127 United States07/24/2016 04:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The original text that God breathed out is absolutely perfect. Modern translations will have some errors here and there due to a poor rendering of the original language. However, overwhelmingly, what God said from the start has been preserved because a lot of it was plain, simple, and straightforward. Now, rightly dividing God's word requires humility before God. Countless organizations who claim to represent God have failed miserably at that. Ultimately, most modern translations are trustworthy with a couple of issues here or there. The KJV, ESV, NASB, and the older NIV are all pretty darn accurate and true to God's original breathed out word. In short, you can trust the Bible. If you want to understand, believe in Jesus's work of the cross, repent, recognizing life must be lived God's way, not our way, and walk out your faith as the New Testament writings indicate by studying His word, availing yourself to the Holy Spirit for work in ministry, and fellowshiping with authentic believers who are solid in doctrine and bearing good fruit. Footage of Witchcraft Actually Happening in Church: [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Ministry Youtube Channel: [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Ministry Website: www.becarefulhowyouhear.com |
| TGus User ID: 14496115 United States07/24/2016 04:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "Why is bible inerrancy common doctrine and why is it accepted as being so?" Of all the questions you could ask about the Christian Bible, the answers to these should be among the most obvious to you. I am a staunch Christian, but I'll answer from an anthropological level. The central scriptures of ANY religion must be seen as accurately revealed from God or a person who knows the Truth. Who's going to give their lives to a religion based on theory and supposition? As to "why it is accepted as being so", people have a great ability to ignore logical inconsistencies within the core scriptures of their own religion. If they start with the attitude that everything in their scriptures is true, -then the inconsistencies must be either a divine mystery or due to lack of understanding. I think a more interesting question would be, -given that major changes have been made in the Christian scriptures over the last 2 centuries, why would God allow those inaccuracies and "fixes" by sincere Christians, and why isn't there an obviously "correct" version that sincere Christians can discern and rely on? |
| Lester User ID: 29965699 United States07/24/2016 04:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Don't confuse religion and denominationalism with Relationship With God. Christ Gave HIS Life to Redeem us so that we could live In Fellowship With HIS Father. This is what happens when we Come Unto The Father and are Born-Again; at least, it happened for me that way... If you Love God with a True Heart, are you able to Trust HIM Fully with every aspect of your life? If so, NOW is the time to Tell HIM, to surrender your life to HIS Guidance and Care and accept HIS Will for you willingly and gladly. All the religious precepts/dogma/doctrine and defining characteristics of denominational differences were made to satisfy men and women who could not Trust God, but rather wanted to define and limit HIM. Might read Matt 22:1-14 and consider Jesus' whole enchilada Witness of what Christianity is all about... It is about answering God's Call upon your heart. Verse 14 Witnesses "Many were Called, but few are Chosen" It is you who must Choose/Elect to Trust God and Come Unto The Father. You don't hear this preached because few preachers etc have Born-Again Relationship With Father; no matter what they claim. God's Call is to your heart. It is with your heart that you must answer. These are The Final Moments If you would Be HIS, time to Tell HIM So... Maranatha!!! |
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