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What primarily is the Ark of the Covenant, choose the best answer?

 
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OP how come you left out a critical option? It is a highly mobile pizza warmer. Keeps the panic pizza hot and fresh.
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I really don't know . . . My BAD!!!!

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POLL: What primarily is the Ark of the Covenant, choose the best answer?

11. Is was exactly what the Old Testament says it was 24.0% (23)

8. A container where God maintained his earthly connection or residence 15.6% (15)

6. A nuclear reactor or cold fusion device of ancient technology 12.5% (12)


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7. A physical symbol of power and God's presence 11.5% (11)

1. A portable power source of some type 9.4% (9)

5. A capacitor to store electric power 8.3% (8)

9. It never existed, just a religious legend 6.2% (6)

2. A transmitter and receiver for remote communication 3.1% (3)

4. A box to hold religious icons and relics 3.1% (3)

10. An ancient story passed down to the Hebrews from a previous culture and adopted by them 3.1% (3)

12. A combination of several ancient stories that coalesced into one recognizable form 2.1% (2)

3. A weapon of some unknown origin and design 1.0% (1)
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Joshua 3:4 Then you will know which way to go, since you have never been this way before. But keep a distance of about two thousand cubits between you and the ark; do not go near it."

The Jewish cubit was about 17 inches, so 2000 cubits is about 34,000 inches, which is about 2800 feet or about half a mile. [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]


1 Samuel 5-6 New International Version (NIV)

19 But God struck down some of the inhabitants of Beth Shemesh, putting seventy of them to death because they looked into the ark of the Lord. The people mourned because of the heavy blow the Lord had dealt them. 20 And the people of Beth Shemesh asked, “Who can stand in the presence of the Lord, this holy God? To whom will the ark go up from here?”

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The Ark killed Friends and Foes alike . . .



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1 Samuel 5-6 New International Version (NIV)

The Ark in Ashdod and Ekron

5 After the Philistines had captured the ark of God, they took it from Ebenezer to Ashdod. 2 Then they carried the ark into Dagon’s temple and set it beside Dagon. 3 When the people of Ashdod rose early the next day, there was Dagon, fallen on his face on the ground before the ark of the Lord! They took Dagon and put him back in his place. 4 But the following morning when they rose, there was Dagon, fallen on his face on the ground before the ark of the Lord! His head and hands had been broken off and were lying on the threshold; only his body remained. 5 That is why to this day neither the priests of Dagon nor any others who enter Dagon’s temple at Ashdod step on the threshold.

6 The Lord’s hand was heavy on the people of Ashdod and its vicinity; he brought devastation on them and afflicted them with tumors.[a] 7 When the people of Ashdod saw what was happening, they said, “The ark of the god of Israel must not stay here with us, because his hand is heavy on us and on Dagon our god.” 8 So they called together all the rulers of the Philistines and asked them, “What shall we do with the ark of the god of Israel?”

They answered, “Have the ark of the god of Israel moved to Gath.” So they moved the ark of the God of Israel.

9 But after they had moved it, the Lord’s hand was against that city, throwing it into a great panic. He afflicted the people of the city, both young and old, with an outbreak of tumors. 10 So they sent the ark of God to Ekron.

As the ark of God was entering Ekron, the people of Ekron cried out, “They have brought the ark of the god of Israel around to us to kill us and our people.” 11 So they called together all the rulers of the Philistines and said, “Send the ark of the god of Israel away; let it go back to its own place, or it[c] will kill us and our people.” For death had filled the city with panic; God’s hand was very heavy on it. 12 Those who did not die were afflicted with tumors, and the outcry of the city went up to heaven.

The Ark Returned to Israel

6 When the ark of the Lord had been in Philistine territory seven months, 2 the Philistines called for the priests and the diviners and said, “What shall we do with the ark of the Lord? Tell us how we should send it back to its place.”

3 They answered, “If you return the ark of the god of Israel, do not send it back to him without a gift; by all means send a guilt offering to him. Then you will be healed, and you will know why his hand has not been lifted from you.”

4 The Philistines asked, “What guilt offering should we send to him?”

They replied, “Five gold tumors and five gold rats, according to the number of the Philistine rulers, because the same plague has struck both you and your rulers. 5 Make models of the tumors and of the rats that are destroying the country, and give glory to Israel’s god. Perhaps he will lift his hand from you and your gods and your land. 6 Why do you harden your hearts as the Egyptians and Pharaoh did? When Israel’s god dealt harshly with them, did they not send the Israelites out so they could go on their way?

7 “Now then, get a new cart ready, with two cows that have calved and have never been yoked. Hitch the cows to the cart, but take their calves away and pen them up. 8 Take the ark of the Lord and put it on the cart, and in a chest beside it put the gold objects you are sending back to him as a guilt offering. Send it on its way, 9 but keep watching it. If it goes up to its own territory, toward Beth Shemesh, then the Lord has brought this great disaster on us. But if it does not, then we will know that it was not his hand that struck us but that it happened to us by chance.”

10 So they did this. They took two such cows and hitched them to the cart and penned up their calves. 11 They placed the ark of the Lord on the cart and along with it the chest containing the gold rats and the models of the tumors. 12 Then the cows went straight up toward Beth Shemesh, keeping on the road and lowing all the way; they did not turn to the right or to the left. The rulers of the Philistines followed them as far as the border of Beth Shemesh.

13 Now the people of Beth Shemesh were harvesting their wheat in the valley, and when they looked up and saw the ark, they rejoiced at the sight. 14 The cart came to the field of Joshua of Beth Shemesh, and there it stopped beside a large rock. The people chopped up the wood of the cart and sacrificed the cows as a burnt offering to the Lord. 15 The Levites took down the ark of the Lord, together with the chest containing the gold objects, and placed them on the large rock. On that day the people of Beth Shemesh offered burnt offerings and made sacrifices to the Lord. 16 The five rulers of the Philistines saw all this and then returned that same day to Ekron.

17 These are the gold tumors the Philistines sent as a guilt offering to the Lord—one each for Ashdod, Gaza, Ashkelon, Gath and Ekron. 18 And the number of the gold rats was according to the number of Philistine towns belonging to the five rulers—the fortified towns with their country villages. The large rock on which the Levites set the ark of the Lord is a witness to this day in the field of Joshua of Beth Shemesh.

19 But God struck down some of the inhabitants of Beth Shemesh, putting seventy[d] of them to death because they looked into the ark of the Lord. The people mourned because of the heavy blow the Lord had dealt them. 20 And the people of Beth Shemesh asked, “Who can stand in the presence of the Lord, this holy God? To whom will the ark go up from here?”

21 Then they sent messengers to the people of Kiriath Jearim, saying, “The Philistines have returned the ark of the Lord. Come down and take it up to your town.”

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Another Death Event with the Ark of the Covenant . . .



2 Samuel 6:2-7 (also 1 Chr 13:7-10)

He and all his men set out from Baalah of Judah to bring up from there the ark of God, which is called by the Name, the name of the Lord Almighty, who is enthroned between the cherubim that are on the ark. They set the ark of God on a new cart and brought it from the house of Abinadab, which was on the hill. Uzzah and Ahio, sons of Abinadab, were guiding the new cart with the ark of God on it, and Ahio was walking in front of it. David and the whole house of Israel were celebrating with all their might before the Lord , with songs and with harps, lyres, tambourines, sistrums and cymbals.

When they came to the threshing floor of Nacon, Uzzah reached out and took hold of the ark of God, because the oxen stumbled. The Lord's anger burned against Uzzah because of his irreverent act; therefore God struck him down and he died there beside the ark of God.
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What is or was in the Ark of the Covenant . . .


Exodus 16:32-34

Moses said, "This is what the Lord has commanded: 'Take an omer of manna and keep it for the generations to come, so they can see the bread I gave you to eat in the desert when I brought you out of Egypt.'"

So Moses said to Aaron, "Take a jar and put an omer of manna in it. Then place it before the Lord to be kept for the generations to come."

As the Lord commanded Moses, Aaron put the manna in front of the Testimony, that it might be kept.


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What is or was in the Ark of the Covenant . . .

Numbers 17:10

The LORD said to Moses, "Put back Aaron's staff in front of the Testimony, to be kept as a sign to the rebellious. This will put an end to their grumbling against me, so that they will not die."

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What is or was in the Ark of the Covenant . . .

1 Kings 8:9 (also 2 Chr 5:10)

There was nothing in the ark except the two stone tablets that Moses had placed in it at Horeb, where the LORD made a covenant with the Israelites after they came out of Egypt.

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Total Contents . . . as per the New Testament . . .

Hebrews 9:4

This ark contained the gold jar of manna, Aaron's staff that had budded, and the stone tablets of the covenant.
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Shielding and possibly / / / control rods???

Control rods are used in nuclear reactors to control the fission rate of uranium and plutonium. They are composed of chemical elements such as boron, silver, indium and cadmium that are capable of absorbing many neutrons without themselves fissioning. Because these elements have different capture cross sections for neutrons of varying energies, the composition of the control rods must be designed for the reactor's neutron spectrum. Boiling water reactors (BWR), pressurized water reactors (PWR) and heavy water reactors (HWR) operate with thermal neutrons, while breeder reactors operate with fast neutrons.
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Exodus 25:15

The poles are to remain in the rings of this ark; they are not to be removed.

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Numbers 4:5-6

When the camp is to move, Aaron and his sons are to go in and take down the shielding curtain and cover the ark of the Testimony with it. Then they are to cover this with hides of sea cows, spread a cloth of solid blue over that and put the poles in place.

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POLL: What primarily is the Ark of the Covenant, choose the best answer?

11. Is was exactly what the Old Testament says it was 25.9% (28)

8. A container where God maintained his earthly connection or residence 14.8% (16)

6. A nuclear reactor or cold fusion device of ancient technology 13.9% (15)

goaway

7. A physical symbol of power and God's presence 11.1% (12)

1. A portable power source of some type 8.3% (9)

5. A capacitor to store electric power 7.4% (8)

9. It never existed, just a religious legend 5.6% (6)

10. An ancient story passed down to the Hebrews from a previous culture and adopted by them 3.7% (4)

2. A transmitter and receiver for remote communication 2.8% (3)

4. A box to hold religious icons and relics 2.8% (3)

12. A combination of several ancient stories that coalesced into one recognizable form 2.8% (3)

3. A weapon of some unknown origin and design 0.9% (1)

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This guy actually was given permission in Israel back in the day to excavate what really looks like the Ark, but the discovery has been suppressed.

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Enjoy.
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Thanks! I will watch when I get a chance . . .
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Very interesting . . . this is either the answer or some strange fantasy of this particular devout (or twisted) person . . . guess it depends on one's world view and faith and of course your belief this individual was allowed to do the excavation he said he accomplished in Jerusalem. peace


By-The-Way, Wyatt claims to have found Noah's Ark as well . . . What are the chances??????? barneywhat


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Wyatt is so bad that other creationist and Christian groups have put up webpages debunking his work. Here are three major ones: Tentmaker, Christian Information Ministries and Answers in Genesis.

[link to www.tentmaker.org]

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"In Reality

Two soil samples were indeed collected by Wyatt in 1979 and the assay results from Galbraith Laboratories were published by Dr William Shea. It is also true that the samples contained iron, aluminum, titanium and carbon, but such elements are always to be found in soils. Indeed, the assay results of these two samples are exactly what one would expect from soil developed from basalt-the iron, aluminum and titanium originally being present in silicate minerals within the basalt and not as exotic metal fittings as proposed by Wyatt."


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The Ark of the Covenant is a DRUM and now in South Africa with the Lemba Buba Clan who have Hebrew genetic ancestry????????

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While such claims seemed pretty unlikely to Parfitt, evidence supporting the Lemba claim came from a truly unexpected source. A 1999 DNA study of the Lemba identified a specific genetic marker that is common among Jewish men of families named Cohen. Cohen (or Cohane) comes from the Biblical Hebrew word for "priest," and men in this Jewish family are understood to be descendents of the Israelite priesthood. The same frequency in which this precise genetic marker (dubbed the Cohen Modal Haplotype) appeared among Cohens was also found among the Lemba's Buba clan, their premier family descended from their great ancestral leader. The study indicated that, genetically speaking, this Lemba leadership clan was directly related to the Cohens (priestly family) of Israel. Parfitt and the Lemba both became international news.

Then Parfitt began to consider another aspect of Lemba tradition, a drum-like object called the ngoma. According to the Lemba, the ngoma was sacred, used to store ritual objects, and carried by poles inserted into rings. They believed it was too holy to touch the ground or to be touched by non-priests. They also believed it emitted a "Fire of God" that killed their enemies and, occasionally, Lemba. A Lemba elder told Parfitt that it "came from the temple in Jerusalem. We carried it down here through Africa."

Parfitt's research suggests that the Lemba once lived in Yemen, at a venerated city called Senna in Lemba tradition. Here, in an area where people genetically linked to the Lemba still live today, he found the ruins of an ancient city by that same name. So the theory, according to Parfitt, proposes that the Lemba migrated there from Jerusalem (as Lemba tradition
teaches) by a spice route-and from Senna, via a nearby seaport they sailed down the African coast (as Lemba tradition also teaches) to the Zimbabwe region.

Stories of Jews living in oases of the Arabian desert recorded in some 8th century Arabic texts suggested the Ark had been transported to that region.Could the area have become home for exiled Jews with a special "mission?" Parfitt believes at some undefined point the Lemba became the caretakers of the Ark, probably in this area.

But, exactly how the Israelites' Ark of the Covenant related to the Lemba's ngoma is not clear. Parfitt has another theory. He proposed that the Ark was actually a prototype of the Lemba's ngoma, a combination reliquary, drum and primitive weapon fueled with a somewhat unpredictable proto-gunpowder.

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According to remote viewing the Ark was located by the Knights Templar while they were in Jerusalem digging in the Temple mount . . . If you believe in Remote Viewing and the group who did the viewing?

katnissbow

Did the Knights Templar find any ancient technology, significant treasure, or secret information while in possession of the holy sites in Jerusalem?
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Records of the history of the region dating back 14.000 years as well as a damaged nuclear generation device known as the Ark of the Covenant.
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According to remote viewing the Ark was located by the Knights Templar while they were in Jerusalem digging in the Temple mount . . . If you believe in Remote Viewing and the group who did the viewing?

katnissbow

Did the Knights Templar find any ancient technology, significant treasure, or secret information while in possession of the holy sites in Jerusalem?
 Quoting: George B


Records of the history of the region dating back 14.000 years as well as a damaged nuclear generation device known as the Ark of the Covenant.
 Quoting: Alterwelt

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They also indicated it is now located in Libya . . .



Have you seen biblical artifacts like the Ark of the Covenant, and if so where is it currently located?
 Quoting: Horus of the Two Horizons

Yes, in Libya, it's a core of an ancient energy generation device. No longer operational, still heavily radioactive.
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POLL: What primarily is the Ark of the Covenant, choose the best answer?

11. Is was exactly what the Old Testament says it was 26.3% (31)

6. A nuclear reactor or cold fusion device of ancient technology 15.3% (18)

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8. A container where God maintained his earthly connection or residence 13.6% (16)

7. A physical symbol of power and God's presence 11.9% (14)

1. A portable power source of some type 7.6% (9)

5. A capacitor to store electric power 6.8% (8)

9. It never existed, just a religious legend 5.1% (6)

2. A transmitter and receiver for remote communication 3.4% (4)

10. An ancient story passed down to the Hebrews from a previous culture and adopted by them 3.4% (4)

12. A combination of several ancient stories that coalesced into one recognizable form 3.4% (4)

4. A box to hold religious icons and relics 2.5% (3)

3. A weapon of some unknown origin and design 0.8% (1)

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So the claim is the Ark is in Ethiopia (CNN), Libya (Remote Viewing), Jerusalem (Ron Wyatt), or South Africa (Tudor Parfitt is professor of Jewish Studies at the School of Oriental and African Studies, University of London). . . Maybe there is more than one? .

If it was a portable nuclear power unit, who is to say there were not more than one around?

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2, 3 and 11
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2, 3 and 11
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Interesting? What do you base your speculation on that it was a weapon? (#3)

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By Jewish tradition. . . where was the Ark???

"By JeIn Rabbinic literature, the final disposition of the Ark is disputed.
Some rabbis hold that it must have been carried off to Babylon, while others hold that it must have been hidden lest it be carried off into Babylon and never brought back.[13] A late 2nd-century rabbinic work known as the Tosefta states the opinions of these rabbis that Josiah, the king of Judah, stored away the Ark, along with the jar of manna, and a jar containing the holy anointing oil, the rod of Aaron which budded and a chest given to Israel by the Philistines.[14] This was said to have been done in order to prevent their being carried off into Babylon as had already happened to the other vessels. Rabbi Eliezer and Rabbi Shimon, in the same rabbinic work, state that the Ark was, in fact, taken into Babylon. Rabbi Yehudah,
dissenting, says that the Ark was stored away in its own place, meaning, somewhere on the Temple Mount."

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In the Old Testament, it was the vessel that held the presence of God as well as later held the Ten Commandments and various other relics from the Exodus.

In the New Testament, the Ark of the Covenant is a person - the Virgin Mary - who literally housed God within her body for 9 months.

The intersecting thing is that the Church Fathers believe that the Old Testament Ark of the Covenant is not destroyed but only hidden in a cave on Mt. Nebo in modern day Jordan by Jeremiah, and that during the end times the Ark will be miracously rediscovered by the descent of the Divine Presence in dazzling light, like the theophany at Sinai, after the eschatological ingathering of the Jews to the land of Israel. All other options, such as that the Ark was hidden beneath the Temple Mount, carried off to Axum in Ethiopia, was captured by the Babylonians, or destroyed, should therefore be discounted, since Sacred Scripture itself tells us its exact location.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71944419


For the faithful I am sure you are correct . . .
 Quoting: George B


Catholics and Orthodox alike traditionally hold that the Ark of the Covenant prefigures the Blessed Virgin Mary as the Theotokos (which means "God-bearer" in Greek); and similarly accept that the purpose of the juxtaposition between the vision of the Ark at the end of Rev 11 with the appearance of the Woman Adorned with the Sun at the start of Rev 12 is to intentionally draw a comparison between these archetypes. The Ark of the Covenant, which housed the presence of God in the form of the Divine Shekhinah Glory, directly prefigures the Woman who would bear the Eternal Logos within her own body. Indeed the Virgin Mary has been equated with the Ark of the New Covenant since the earliest days of Christianity. Writing in the third century, for example, St. Gregory Thaumaturgus (c.213-c.270), makes this analogy fully explicit:

“The ark is verily the holy Virgin, gilded within and without, who received the treasure of universal sanctification. Arise, O Lord, from the Father’s bosom, to raise up again the ruined race of our first parent”
St. Gregory Thaumaturgus (Orat. in Deip. Annunciat. Int. Opp. S. Greg. Thaumaturg)

The fact that the exposition of the Ark of the Covenant at the end of the cycle concerning the Two Witnesses is immediately followed by the "Great Sign" seen in heaven at the opening of Rev 12 - a vision of the Theotokos, suggests that these two elements are inextricably linked. At the same time, the vision of the Ark of the Covenant in the Apocalypse also appears to be closely related to the widespread belief in ancient Judaism that the Ark would be discovered towards the end of the world, before the final coming of the Messiah.

We can find an example of this expectation in the recently discovered Hebrew pseudepigraphical text Treatise of the Vessels (the dating of which is uncertain, see here for more info), which claims that a portion of the treasures of King Solomon's Temple, including the Ark of the Covenant, were hidden by a number of Levites and prophets before the sack of the Temple by the Babylonian forces of King Nebuchadnezzar. The Treatise of the Vessels states that the Ark was hidden away in an unspecified location, and would "not be revealed until the day of the coming of the Messiah son of David" (See Davila, J. Old Testament Pseudepigrapha: More Noncanonical Scriptures Vol 1, Eerdmans, 2013).

Most importantly for Catholics however, is the fact that the rediscovery of the Lost Ark towards the end time is prophesied in the deuterocanonical Second Book of Maccabees - which was infallibly defined by the Catholic Church as a divinely inspired work during the Council of Trent in the 16th century, and is thus considered to be part of Divine Revelation:

"These same records also tell us that Jeremiah, acting under divine guidance, commanded the Tent of the Lord's Presence and the Covenant Box to follow him to the mountain where Moses had looked down on the land which God had promised our people. When Jeremiah got to the mountain, he found a huge cave and there he hid the Tent of the Lord's Presence, the Covenant Box, and the altar of incense. Then he sealed up the entrance.

Some of Jeremiah's friends tried to follow him and mark the way, but they could not find the cave. When Jeremiah learned what they had done, he reprimanded them, saying:

No one must know about this place until God gathers his people together again and shows them mercy. At that time he will reveal where these things are hidden, and the dazzling light of his presence will be seen in the cloud, as it was in the time of Moses and on the occasion when Solomon prayed that the Temple might be dedicated in holy splendor.

We are also told how the wise King Solomon offered a sacrifice of dedication at the completion of the Temple, and that when he prayed, fire came down from heaven and consumed the sacrifices, just as it had done earlier when Moses prayed."
2 Macc 2:4-12
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Another deadly encounter with the Ark . . . .


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Leviticus 10 New International Version (NIV)

The Death of Nadab and Abihu

10 Aaron’s sons Nadab and Abihu took their censers, put fire in them and added incense; and they offered unauthorized fire before the Lord, contrary to his command. 2 So fire came out from the presence of the Lord and consumed them, and they died before the Lord. 3 Moses then said to Aaron, “This is what the Lord spoke of when he said:


“‘Among those who approach me
I will be proved holy;
in the sight of all the people
I will be honored.’”

Aaron remained silent.

4 Moses summoned Mishael and Elzaphan, sons of Aaron’s uncle Uzziel, and said to them, “Come here; carry your cousins outside the camp, away from the front of the sanctuary.” 5 So they came and carried them, still in their tunics, outside the camp, as Moses ordered.

6 Then Moses said to Aaron and his sons Eleazar and Ithamar, “Do not let your hair become unkempt[a] and do not tear your clothes, or you will die and the Lord will be angry with the whole community. But your relatives, all the Israelites, may mourn for those the Lord has destroyed by fire. 7 Do not leave the entrance to the tent of meeting or you will die, because the Lord’s anointing oil is on you.” So they did as Moses said.

8 Then the Lord said to Aaron, 9 “You and your sons are not to drink wine or other fermented drink whenever you go into the tent of meeting, or you will die. This is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come, 10 so that you can distinguish between the holy and the common, between the unclean and the clean, 11 and so you can teach the Israelites all the decrees the Lord has given them through Moses.”

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In the Old Testament, it was the vessel that held the presence of God as well as later held the Ten Commandments and various other relics from the Exodus.

In the New Testament, the Ark of the Covenant is a person - the Virgin Mary - who literally housed God within her body for 9 months.

The intersecting thing is that the Church Fathers believe that the Old Testament Ark of the Covenant is not destroyed but only hidden in a cave on Mt. Nebo in modern day Jordan by Jeremiah, and that during the end times the Ark will be miracously rediscovered by the descent of the Divine Presence in dazzling light, like the theophany at Sinai, after the eschatological ingathering of the Jews to the land of Israel. All other options, such as that the Ark was hidden beneath the Temple Mount, carried off to Axum in Ethiopia, was captured by the Babylonians, or destroyed, should therefore be discounted, since Sacred Scripture itself tells us its exact location.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71944419


For the faithful I am sure you are correct . . .
 Quoting: George B


Catholics and Orthodox alike traditionally hold that the Ark of the Covenant prefigures the Blessed Virgin Mary as the Theotokos (which means "God-bearer" in Greek); and similarly accept that the purpose of the juxtaposition between the vision of the Ark at the end of Rev 11 with the appearance of the Woman Adorned with the Sun at the start of Rev 12 is to intentionally draw a comparison between these archetypes. The Ark of the Covenant, which housed the presence of God in the form of the Divine Shekhinah Glory, directly prefigures the Woman who would bear the Eternal Logos within her own body. Indeed the Virgin Mary has been equated with the Ark of the New Covenant since the earliest days of Christianity. Writing in the third century, for example, St. Gregory Thaumaturgus (c.213-c.270), makes this analogy fully explicit:

“The ark is verily the holy Virgin, gilded within and without, who received the treasure of universal sanctification. Arise, O Lord, from the Father’s bosom, to raise up again the ruined race of our first parent”
St. Gregory Thaumaturgus (Orat. in Deip. Annunciat. Int. Opp. S. Greg. Thaumaturg)

The fact that the exposition of the Ark of the Covenant at the end of the cycle concerning the Two Witnesses is immediately followed by the "Great Sign" seen in heaven at the opening of Rev 12 - a vision of the Theotokos, suggests that these two elements are inextricably linked. At the same time, the vision of the Ark of the Covenant in the Apocalypse also appears to be closely related to the widespread belief in ancient Judaism that the Ark would be discovered towards the end of the world, before the final coming of the Messiah.

We can find an example of this expectation in the recently discovered Hebrew pseudepigraphical text Treatise of the Vessels (the dating of which is uncertain, see here for more info), which claims that a portion of the treasures of King Solomon's Temple, including the Ark of the Covenant, were hidden by a number of Levites and prophets before the sack of the Temple by the Babylonian forces of King Nebuchadnezzar. The Treatise of the Vessels states that the Ark was hidden away in an unspecified location, and would "not be revealed until the day of the coming of the Messiah son of David" (See Davila, J. Old Testament Pseudepigrapha: More Noncanonical Scriptures Vol 1, Eerdmans, 2013).

Most importantly for Catholics however, is the fact that the rediscovery of the Lost Ark towards the end time is prophesied in the deuterocanonical Second Book of Maccabees - which was infallibly defined by the Catholic Church as a divinely inspired work during the Council of Trent in the 16th century, and is thus considered to be part of Divine Revelation:

"These same records also tell us that Jeremiah, acting under divine guidance, commanded the Tent of the Lord's Presence and the Covenant Box to follow him to the mountain where Moses had looked down on the land which God had promised our people. When Jeremiah got to the mountain, he found a huge cave and there he hid the Tent of the Lord's Presence, the Covenant Box, and the altar of incense. Then he sealed up the entrance.

Some of Jeremiah's friends tried to follow him and mark the way, but they could not find the cave. When Jeremiah learned what they had done, he reprimanded them, saying:

No one must know about this place until God gathers his people together again and shows them mercy. At that time he will reveal where these things are hidden, and the dazzling light of his presence will be seen in the cloud, as it was in the time of Moses and on the occasion when Solomon prayed that the Temple might be dedicated in holy splendor.

We are also told how the wise King Solomon offered a sacrifice of dedication at the completion of the Temple, and that when he prayed, fire came down from heaven and consumed the sacrifices, just as it had done earlier when Moses prayed."
2 Macc 2:4-12
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Very symbolic and esoteric . . . theologically speaking it is too complex for the masses unless one has studied much about the subject. It is interesting the diversity of traditions and importance of this missing religious relic and how it is (rediscovery) tied into the end of days or second coming of Christ. Thanks for the info!

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So we have at least two direct ways the Ark kills people. . . #'s 1& 2 below.

1) Through an invisible force that makes people sick and they die slowly, in hours or a few days.

2) Through a sudden invisible force or fire that immediately kills the individual(s) like electrocution or other energy burst.

3) It also was implicated in causing earthquakes to bring down city walls like Jericho and I believe causing the earth to swallow up large numbers of people.

4) Was consulted before a military campaign and was used to lead the army into battles.

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Something that isn't supposed to be touched, ever.
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Something that isn't supposed to be touched, ever.
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There are several things in that category. Rattle snakes, a live hand grenade, a land mine, a hot stove, a mad pit bull, bare live electric wires while standing in water, just to mention a few. hiding2

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So the Ark is a symbol or archetype of RNA DNA? I would say that is a real stretch!

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The top had two cherubim with their wings outstretched over the Mercy Seat. When it was in the Tabernacle the Glory of God was there above the seat.
It was the throne of God when He was among us.

It wasn't a capacitor or a rocketship engine.
None of that is Biblical, and the only references and knowledge there is of the Ark is from the books.

Can a capacitor that size bring down mountains, discriminately kill one that touched it but not the others standing nearby? An intelligent capacitor?
Moses and Aaron seemed to be able to touch, handle, build and put things into and out of it without ill effect.
It was a powerful symbol of God on Earth, not some modernistic gizmo.

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The top had two cherubim with their wings outstretched over the Mercy Seat. When it was in the Tabernacle the Glory of God was there above the seat.
It was the throne of God when He was among us.

It wasn't a capacitor or a rocketship engine.
None of that is Biblical, and the only references and knowledge there is of the Ark is from the books.

Can a capacitor that size bring down mountains, discriminately kill one that touched it but not the others standing nearby? An intelligent capacitor?
Moses and Aaron seemed to be able to touch, handle, build and put things into and out of it without ill effect.
It was a powerful symbol of God on Earth, not some modernistic gizmo.

Go back to looking for sasquatch, it's more your speed.
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Thank you for your opinion. Why do some people die in a tornado and others live?

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I never looked for Bigfoot, but sounds like fun!

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