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You will be like the rest of the animals
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I agree
It is like he wants to show you things
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the energy works in very mysterious ways while on psychedelics
another time we ate some theme park blotter & we ended up in a bar where very strange looking circus people all surrounded us in the bar. not in a bad way though. they were attracted to the energy.
hard to explain. I guess you would have had to be there to understand what im talking about.
and they didnt even know we were on anything. they said it was just the atmospheric energy that they were following.
I think it was really me & my friend on that theme park blotter. it was so trippy cool2
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wow this is trippy
Just because the blotter has a theme park draw on it you guys attracted circus people. lol
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no no
lol

they were circus people
like acrobats. there was a show near by at a theme park.
I know it all sounds strange lol

I think they were cirque soliel performers.
not only acrobats. they had other members that were affiliated with them. it was in a club next to a 'X'hibition show that was going on all week
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Ok. lol even if they weren't the freak show circus people i had in mind :)) , there still is a connection between the blotter art and the trip/adventures you had.
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My favorite blotter I ever had was called...

"A little bit of something"

Next where the 90s purple pyramids...
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the best one I had was a picture of a robot running down a hill on a paved path with flowers growing beisde him. & in the sky in the background there was a huge mushroom cloud smiling in the sky.
not a nuclear mushroom cloud.
a real rain cloud that was shaped like a mushroom with a face.
this was a huge picture on the entire sheet of blotter.
each tiny square hit only got a small portion of the entire picture.

that one you knew it was kicking in 30 minutes after you eat it everytime , cause your eyesight makes everything you look at go neon & fluorescent tints. it was so psychedelic & awesome that one.
I think that one was named "optical illusion"
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Drugs are different. Don't drink
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I don't drink, i only like psychedelics
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the energy works in very mysterious ways while on psychedelics
another time we ate some theme park blotter & we ended up in a bar where very strange looking circus people all surrounded us in the bar. not in a bad way though. they were attracted to the energy.
hard to explain. I guess you would have had to be there to understand what im talking about.
and they didnt even know we were on anything. they said it was just the atmospheric energy that they were following.
I think it was really me & my friend on that theme park blotter. it was so trippy cool2
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68854331


wow this is trippy
Just because the blotter has a theme park draw on it you guys attracted circus people. lol
 Quoting: 2dfred


no no
lol

they were circus people
like acrobats. there was a show near by at a theme park.
I know it all sounds strange lol

I think they were cirque soliel performers.
not only acrobats. they had other members that were affiliated with them. it was in a club next to a 'X'hibition show that was going on all week
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68854331


Ok. lol even if they weren't the freak show circus people i had in mind :)) , there still is a connection between the blotter art and the trip/adventures you had.
 Quoting: 2dfred


thumbs

they did act very mysterious around us. this part I cannot explain so well.
it was a vibe they were picking up on.

I think it goes for all people. they feel a vibe they cant explain when they are around "tripper" LSD or shrooms is the same.
they like being around that "vibe" even if they dont know what it is. its only something they can feel, but they cant explain it.
ive noticed this many times while tripping before. other people are attracted to the area of your energy vibrations. if you are 4 or 5 people its even stronger.
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wow this is trippy
Just because the blotter has a theme park draw on it you guys attracted circus people. lol
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no no
lol

they were circus people
like acrobats. there was a show near by at a theme park.
I know it all sounds strange lol

I think they were cirque soliel performers.
not only acrobats. they had other members that were affiliated with them. it was in a club next to a 'X'hibition show that was going on all week
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68854331


Ok. lol even if they weren't the freak show circus people i had in mind :)) , there still is a connection between the blotter art and the trip/adventures you had.
 Quoting: 2dfred


thumbs

they did act very mysterious around us. this part I cannot explain so well.
it was a vibe they were picking up on.

I think it goes for all people. they feel a vibe they cant explain when they are around "tripper" LSD or shrooms is the same.
they like being around that "vibe" even if they dont know what it is. its only something they can feel, but they cant explain it.
ive noticed this many times while tripping before. other people are attracted to the area of your energy vibrations. if you are 4 or 5 people its even stronger.
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okay that wasnt explained so well.

I mean any people who are not tripping feel the vibe from the people who are tripping.
and they like it.

lol

thumbs
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another thing we used to like to do while eating shrooms was look at black rain clouds move into our camp area & lightning in the clouds .
this is so trippy to look at & the smell of the storm is strong because your sense of smell on shrooms is strong like a dog thumbs
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no no
lol

they were circus people
like acrobats. there was a show near by at a theme park.
I know it all sounds strange lol

I think they were cirque soliel performers.
not only acrobats. they had other members that were affiliated with them. it was in a club next to a 'X'hibition show that was going on all week
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68854331


Ok. lol even if they weren't the freak show circus people i had in mind :)) , there still is a connection between the blotter art and the trip/adventures you had.
 Quoting: 2dfred


thumbs

they did act very mysterious around us. this part I cannot explain so well.
it was a vibe they were picking up on.

I think it goes for all people. they feel a vibe they cant explain when they are around "tripper" LSD or shrooms is the same.
they like being around that "vibe" even if they dont know what it is. its only something they can feel, but they cant explain it.
ive noticed this many times while tripping before. other people are attracted to the area of your energy vibrations. if you are 4 or 5 people its even stronger.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68854331


okay that wasnt explained so well.

I mean any people who are not tripping feel the vibe from the people who are tripping.
and they like it.

lol

thumbs
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:))
It feels warm and fuzzy to be around a tripper
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Ok. lol even if they weren't the freak show circus people i had in mind :)) , there still is a connection between the blotter art and the trip/adventures you had.
 Quoting: 2dfred


thumbs

they did act very mysterious around us. this part I cannot explain so well.
it was a vibe they were picking up on.

I think it goes for all people. they feel a vibe they cant explain when they are around "tripper" LSD or shrooms is the same.
they like being around that "vibe" even if they dont know what it is. its only something they can feel, but they cant explain it.
ive noticed this many times while tripping before. other people are attracted to the area of your energy vibrations. if you are 4 or 5 people its even stronger.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68854331


okay that wasnt explained so well.

I mean any people who are not tripping feel the vibe from the people who are tripping.
and they like it.

lol

thumbs
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:))
It feels warm and fuzzy to be around a tripper
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Yes!

sun
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time for me to go.
See you later
peace
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My favorite blotter I ever had was called...

"A little bit of something"

Next where the 90s purple pyramids...
 Quoting: Doobious Dimensions


the best one I had was a picture of a robot running down a hill on a paved path with flowers growing beisde him. & in the sky in the background there was a huge mushroom cloud smiling in the sky.
not a nuclear mushroom cloud.
a real rain cloud that was shaped like a mushroom with a face.
this was a huge picture on the entire sheet of blotter.
each tiny square hit only got a small portion of the entire picture.

that one you knew it was kicking in 30 minutes after you eat it everytime , cause your eyesight makes everything you look at go neon & fluorescent tints. it was so psychedelic & awesome that one.
I think that one was named "optical illusion"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68854331


Yeah I always loved seeing the sheets before perforating them...

The pyramids where actually powdered acid formed into a pyramid...blue or green...

The last one I ever ate was a pill as well and it had a sun on it...we bought them thinking it was mdma...10/31/01


Three weeks later my life changed when I ate 120 mugs of AMT....(too much btw)

That's 14 hours of tripping and the peak is like 4 hours or more...

But it's strange cause you can sleep on AMT, even during the peak if you wanted...
It also broke down the wall for the first time...I could read my friends feelings like a book...good stuff but the load is ridiculous on your body...you feel achy most of the first half and you will puke
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time for me to go.
See you later
peace
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we shall speak again in the future my romanian friend thumbs
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My favorite blotter I ever had was called...

"A little bit of something"

Next where the 90s purple pyramids...
 Quoting: Doobious Dimensions


the best one I had was a picture of a robot running down a hill on a paved path with flowers growing beisde him. & in the sky in the background there was a huge mushroom cloud smiling in the sky.
not a nuclear mushroom cloud.
a real rain cloud that was shaped like a mushroom with a face.
this was a huge picture on the entire sheet of blotter.
each tiny square hit only got a small portion of the entire picture.

that one you knew it was kicking in 30 minutes after you eat it everytime , cause your eyesight makes everything you look at go neon & fluorescent tints. it was so psychedelic & awesome that one.
I think that one was named "optical illusion"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68854331


Yeah I always loved seeing the sheets before perforating them...

The pyramids where actually powdered acid formed into a pyramid...blue or green...

The last one I ever ate was a pill as well and it had a sun on it...we bought them thinking it was mdma...10/31/01


Three weeks later my life changed when I ate 120 mugs of AMT....(too much btw)

That's 14 hours of tripping and the peak is like 4 hours or more...

But it's strange cause you can sleep on AMT, even during the peak if you wanted...
It also broke down the wall for the first time...I could read my friends feelings like a book...good stuff but the load is ridiculous on your body...you feel achy most of the first half and you will puke
 Quoting: Doobious Dimensions


I never got sick on shrooms or LSD or LSA in my life.

im not a fan of the MDMA. I tried it two different times , dont get me wrong, it was nice & fun ,,, but its not a psychedelic so I have no use for it.

what is AMT ? is that like DMT ?
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i will not have time to play tonight so i give you...



basically you are listening to an album from the middle outward in a huge spiral...WEEEEEEE!

this site will explain what you are hearing...


[link to members.tripod.com]

fun fact album dropped on 5/15/01

btw...

the album only makes sense this way...they gave clues in the artwork for the album which was Alex Grey work...

best album ever!


have fun kids...

and old heads

onelove


oh and you never know...



night night
 Quoting: Doobious Dimensions


hf Yeah Man

I have to Try to Sleep,
I think I might have a Creeperrofl
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68845924


My favorite blotter I ever had was called...

"A little bit of something"

Next where the 90s purple pyramids...
 Quoting: Doobious Dimensions


the best one I had was a picture of a robot running down a hill on a paved path with flowers growing beisde him. & in the sky in the background there was a huge mushroom cloud smiling in the sky.
not a nuclear mushroom cloud.
a real rain cloud that was shaped like a mushroom with a face.
this was a huge picture on the entire sheet of blotter.
each tiny square hit only got a small portion of the entire picture.

that one you knew it was kicking in 30 minutes after you eat it everytime , cause your eyesight makes everything you look at go neon & fluorescent tints. it was so psychedelic & awesome that one.
I think that one was named "optical illusion"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68854331


Yeah I always loved seeing the sheets before perforating them...

The pyramids where actually powdered acid formed into a pyramid...blue or green...

The last one I ever ate was a pill as well and it had a sun on it...we bought them thinking it was mdma...10/31/01


Three weeks later my life changed when I ate 120 mugs of AMT....(too much btw)

That's 14 hours of tripping and the peak is like 4 hours or more...

But it's strange cause you can sleep on AMT, even during the peak if you wanted...
It also broke down the wall for the first time...I could read my friends feelings like a book...good stuff but the load is ridiculous on your body...you feel achy most of the first half and you will puke
 Quoting: Doobious Dimensions


I never got sick on shrooms or LSD or LSA in my life.

im not a fan of the MDMA. I tried it two different times , dont get me wrong, it was nice & fun ,,, but its not a psychedelic so I have no use for it.

what is AMT ? is that like DMT ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68854331


The best way to describe it is walking in a dream for half a day...you cannot tell if you are awake or sleeping....and you can see through the sky...check it out on erowid....it's fairly rare now but was legal in 2000s

You feel like you are having a super vivid dream...

It's also called it-290 or 3-it

Here is a good example...

[link to www.erowid.org (secure)]
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i will not have time to play tonight so i give you...



basically you are listening to an album from the middle outward in a huge spiral...WEEEEEEE!

this site will explain what you are hearing...


[link to members.tripod.com]

fun fact album dropped on 5/15/01

btw...

the album only makes sense this way...they gave clues in the artwork for the album which was Alex Grey work...

best album ever!


have fun kids...

and old heads

onelove


oh and you never know...



night night
 Quoting: Doobious Dimensions


hf Yeah Man

I have to Try to Sleep,
I think I might have a Creeperrofl
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68845924


...


the best one I had was a picture of a robot running down a hill on a paved path with flowers growing beisde him. & in the sky in the background there was a huge mushroom cloud smiling in the sky.
not a nuclear mushroom cloud.
a real rain cloud that was shaped like a mushroom with a face.
this was a huge picture on the entire sheet of blotter.
each tiny square hit only got a small portion of the entire picture.

that one you knew it was kicking in 30 minutes after you eat it everytime , cause your eyesight makes everything you look at go neon & fluorescent tints. it was so psychedelic & awesome that one.
I think that one was named "optical illusion"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68854331


Yeah I always loved seeing the sheets before perforating them...

The pyramids where actually powdered acid formed into a pyramid...blue or green...

The last one I ever ate was a pill as well and it had a sun on it...we bought them thinking it was mdma...10/31/01


Three weeks later my life changed when I ate 120 mugs of AMT....(too much btw)

That's 14 hours of tripping and the peak is like 4 hours or more...

But it's strange cause you can sleep on AMT, even during the peak if you wanted...
It also broke down the wall for the first time...I could read my friends feelings like a book...good stuff but the load is ridiculous on your body...you feel achy most of the first half and you will puke
 Quoting: Doobious Dimensions


I never got sick on shrooms or LSD or LSA in my life.

im not a fan of the MDMA. I tried it two different times , dont get me wrong, it was nice & fun ,,, but its not a psychedelic so I have no use for it.

what is AMT ? is that like DMT ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68854331


The best way to describe it is walking in a dream for half a day...you cannot tell if you are awake or sleeping....and you can see through the sky...check it out on erowid....it's fairly rare now but was legal in 2000s

You feel like you are having a super vivid dream...

It's also called it-290 or 3-it

Here is a good example...

[link to www.erowid.org (secure)]
 Quoting: Doobious Dimensions


I probably wouldnt like it. I dont like getting all messed up so I cant think.
if I wanted to do that id just get drunk lol

thats why I only stick to shrooms - LSD- LSA & marijuana

I can think good & I can tune into things with powerful perception & observation.

anything that distorts my thinking or speeds up my heart rate - I dislike it
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Greetings friends
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I could not believe the experiences - until they happened to me...

And as I would revisit these other worlds outside the body - I learned very quickly that the same discernment and skills to stand-up for myself and be fun to be around - all of this was the same beyond this world.

What was different was the landscapes - some were made of pure light / no shadows - it was astounding to recognize I was in a world that did not support shadows, haha - And yet other worlds - were made of shadow - some were a mix of light and dark - it seemed that my inner state in the moment would determine where I would stumble upon...

I recognized very quickly that this must be similar to death, the emotional state in the moment influences your trajectory from my experience...

And the different beings I met with, they must be the "spirits" or "bardos" in "heaven" - but they are individuals in the reality next-door to us...

I met many that looked like normal people, but made of soft glowing clay, they produced their own light - the space was lit by the individuals in the room - the rooms would have their own intelligence as well, I would sometimes have difficulty knowing if I was communicating with the humanoids in the room, or the room itself - they explained to me the room is an extension of someone else's consciousness so this confusion was normal...

To be completely honest, the tool I used is called DMT.

I know it is not 100% "clean" spirituality to "hack" my brain into an out of body experience, but during those years I didn't care about that, I just wanted results.

But then things start happening like shadow people in your house, my normal dreams became haunted by different new presences that were not there before...

I met some beings that wanted me to smoke more and more DMT so they could have a connection to our world...

They have tried to mislead me and trick me before, so I called them out, and they were embarrassed and push me away or quickly zoom away...

I know exactly what you're talking about with the "half-consciousness" state while dreaming...

What is interesting about DMT - when you "arrive" it feels like a dream - except you are completely normal feeling, and suddenly you're surrounded by endless unfolding "hyperspace" temples - and you realize that you have been a part of this other world for a long time - there are ancient feelings that return when no longer inside the body...

I didn't believe it either - which was why I had to dive in for myself - and I bit off more than I could chew D:

Lol, not that bad, it has been great to share the experiences and find the similarities of this world and the world beyond - they are intimately connected but we do not physically see it - or we are very used to the magic in this world and we take it for granted or dismiss it one way or another...

We have what feels like a thick grey cloth that covers our consciousness and we are so used to it we do not realize how dulled down we are.

When I had some DMT, that grey cloth blasted away and "spirits" (some humanoid, some made of light, some like little gremlin creatures, some like insects and lizards, some I cannot compare to anything) these spirits took notice of me and suddenly my consciousness was bombarded with telekinetic communication, I could understand all of these different beings, I knew who was "speaking" to me and I would hear them using my own voice inside my head to communicate with me.

At one point they actually explained how the non-verbal telepathic communication worked...

My consciousness was translating their intentions / consciousness in a way I would understand and this is a natural way consciousness works - and this has become so subtle in the physical world we're no longer used to it...

Those guys were nice ones, they were like ancient wanderers in a large library - they noticed me like a book that fell of the shelf over in the Earth section, haha - that's what it felt like - and we discussed telepathic communication, we discussed the English language and as we discussed it a large version of the alphabet appeared and morphed as we talked about each letter and associated words - we started with A and then skipped to Z and then went back to B then Y, C then X - and the sound of each letter was like a different texture, a different intention - they were very weary of the letter T, because it was manipulative, inherent to the shape is to cut off and seperate, ect...

Like I said, it's biting off more than you can chew, you have to just sit there and try to not fall apart while in the middle of it, haha...

One last thing worth mentioning - I feel 95% certain I know EXACTLY where our anscestors got the inspiration for the aethstetic found in Islamic Mosques, or the oinion dome spires found on buildings, Mayan Glyphs, Hindu structes with stacks of people piled upon stacks of people - such as shown in the ancient temples - it looks like that over there, a mix of all of those things, in BRILLIANT clarity, and all of it is alive and vying for your attention.

I was once told "you are only dipping your toes into new waters that will one day become your new home..."

The greatest thing I was told, a being could tell I was very troubled by the issue of good vs. evil, how could reality allow bad things to happen, the being addressed this specifically by saying: "Should we limit expression? When we limit expression it makes the expression worst. This universe allows all expressions to play-out until they are exhausted - it has been allowed to continue because not a single atom will be lost - and there is ultimately always more good than bad as a result..."

That was kind of a lot, haha, sorry if it's kind of too much and weird, I'm still trying to make sense of it all...

Hi

Thanks for your answer. It was very interesting to read about those experiences, and i see that your conclusions makes sence but, dont get me wrong i searching for answers and want to "make sense of it all" about how universe works. Still i have only theoretical picture in my mind. I read Monroe, Kavassilas, Melchizedek, Books about mystical experiments, watched Bashar, Raduga and other guys. Some stories are worth to believe, some became a logical bullshit after a while, some stuff needs to be checked but i still don't know how to confirm even stuff what seems to be true with practical experiences. I very very skeptically look at drugs. I believe that drugs triggers some body mechanics, but somehow we can override it all because we are not only bodies at all? This question hurts me so much.

I had only 2 times of OOB experience: very short and before awakening on the morning. My ultimate goal is to have controlled OOB, and see some stuff what i can confirm later in physical state. Like to see a box behind a rock where i never was before. Just dreams) Ok, lets back to my noob questions. I want to structure some picture of how things are:

1. I very wonder how DMT works. I read about it, that it is triggers pineal gland somehow, but f.e. Kavassilas told in his book that pineal gland is an alien implant so it can harm you. Did you made some discovery about how DMT and pineal gland works? Maybe you met some guys out there who told you how to experience OOB without DMT?

2. Do you have some knowledge about why we still are "zombies" and not remember past lives, dreams etc.? Yes we wear "clothes" like you said, but when we can wear them off or can we do it at all? Maybe we waiting for some "great quantum leap" or we will cannot do it because evil shit ultimately control us from now and for ever, so we have to reborn or stuck in a "He'll" dimension below us.

3. What can you say about "new era of some quantum change, leap, and stuff" what promised to arrive at 2012 but still nothing emerged? Maybe some guys there tol you about it? Man i so frustrated that nothing but same stupid things happened around me. I feel everything around is like a giant puzzle we need to solve.

4. How "far" you was from "here"? You know what i mean) Did you experienced worlds with 4 or 5 or greater geometrical dimensions? Can you compare your experiences to those what was described in a Robert Monroes book? (im very sure you read all 3 parts)

I have alot of more questions) But lets stop on thees ones, if you can.

Thanks alot for your time man, its really rare today to met person like you, Almost everyone pokes at me if i begin to talk about OOB and stuff. I don't care, i know somehow it should be true, it cant be only physical side and death after it. But Doubts man...doubts its like a drug what puts me in eternal search in exchange of small amount of euphoria when i discover a small amount of truth)

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Likewise! Great to have a thoughtful conversation in a serious manner :)

I believe that drugs triggers some body mechanics, but somehow we can override it all because we are not only bodies at all? This question hurts me so much.

I will provide the best answers I can, but I can only be subjective, I know there is no way to have 100% truth because we are subjective, but I will respond with my best answer I have at this subjective point, haha...

When I "go over to the other side" there is a mechanical feeling to it, I have "popped" or squeezed through a small circle - or a straight up and down slit will open up like a thin pie slice that was not there before - and slowly it "opens up" to replace the normal view of everyday life.

There are a lot of feelings of "organic mechanisms" going on - not 100% natural, neither 100% mechanical - I have been in places that are like neon light motherboards on black, but they have organic shapes like leaf-shapes and flower petal shapes, unwinding spirals ect... And at times I cannot be sure if it is technology, or organic, some kind of entity or some kind of structure - or some kind of mix of all of this at the same time...

Once I was awestruck by looking down a MEGA HD shimmering gold hallway that had endless intricate navajo / mayan glyph / hebrew text aesthetic all mixed together in this constantly morphing hallway of complex patterns, suddenly, after a few minutes of trying to adjust to this place with no floor and no cieling, all was both floor and cieling depending on how you were oriented - after a minute or so I realized there was a golden muscular man in a golden robe sitting in a golden throne that was merged with the wall and patterns - he had been staring at me with a look of bewilderment the whole time and I didn't realize he was looking at me for a minute or so! I was embarrassed and shocked and neither one of us knew what to do about it! Haha, and slowly it faded away and I returned to my living room...

Here is a confusing yet interesting discovery - I have a distinct feeling of "popping out" or sliding out of my physical body - yet when I am "over there" I have a body in that place as well! I even have the feeling this body "over there" is doing things and has an independent life - but the portion of consciousness in this physical body rarely if ever has the full amount of consciousness present and aware as it suddenly becomes...

I take the steering wheel over for a while and everyone around notices - or I instantly pop into somewhere else because I have introduced a new momentum of a different kind of consciousness and everything responds accordingly - there have been times where I have been expected...

Speaking about mechanism and the body "over there", I was able to mold and craft this floating white and yellow light that floated in one of these "astral" caverns of light - and somehow I intuitively knew how to use my eye muscles for focusing my vision - to control the growth, shape and reproduction of this floating S-shape of light! I made it spin around, change its shape, I made smaller copies appear next to it - I was so excited by how easy and natural this process was that in that moment of excitement, I lost my focus and the S-shape of light shrunk away and disappeared...

I realized I had made it disappear because I had I had "stepped out of the flow" with my thought and focus, literally my focus muscles had matched my loss of focus in my mind...

This kind of experience has given me some very interesting food for thought...

I feel like our "mechanism" our "body" is a very ancient heritage - that has intention behind each part, as well as in the drama of it - it is a very interesting and ancient story behind the human body and the specific circumstance of humanity upon earth - as though nature itself is communicating a message of intent - evolution of the current status of consciousness compacted and work-shopped - what feels good and what feels bad in what circumstance according to what variable - what results in what - showing, not telling - and the genetics keep track - better to practice hardcore extremes on small scale planets rather than large galaxies - because war and violence on a galactic scale I'm sure is very horrible - the evolutionary data humanity produces is very valuable to the greater fractal of the same sort of thing...

1. I very wonder how DMT works. I read about it, that it is triggers pineal gland somehow, but f.e. Kavassilas told in his book that pineal gland is an alien implant so it can harm you. Did you made some discovery about how DMT and pineal gland works? Maybe you met some guys out there who told you how to experience OOB without DMT?

Yes I can see how it is an implant - than I better know how to deal with such a thing! - I think the reason we have it is to be familiar with all kinds of implants and nastiness that is part of reality - to be ignorant of these realms is to remain afraid of them - I have no doubt the pineal is link to some very nasty types of things - as many emotions and intents of humanity are connected and "come through us" onto the planet - as above so below - we physically represent a background "energetic transfer" that can more easily accompany the flow of consciousness because of the match in frequency - I hope you kind of get the idea I'm getting at :P It's kind of intangible stuff - yet tangible sort of, haha :D

When I have been in these nasty places I learned very quickly to shine a bright light, bring a high ethos, bring high empathy / consciousness to the space, and the shadows will scramble away and the environment will respond instantaneously...

When I stayed in a place of anxiety - it remained that way, things fed upon it and then fed more into it - like a downward spiral that keeps getting worse and worse - and I thought, oh hey this is kind of like "hell" I guess right? Because it's all sludgy or spiky and dark and the aesthetic is like spider legs and skuls - once a skeleton in full steel armor rushed me with a giant spear and he took this terrifying pose like he'd done it a million times before and poised to strike me down and he exploded this intention of "WHO DARE TRESPASSES!!??"

And I just burst out in "Whoa man! This all too much I don't know how I got here but I can't believe you're real right now your like a fantasy mythical guardian in this heavy metal kind of atmosphere and this is just wild man!"

And the skeleton and the whole environment burst out into laughter - this sharp angry realistic skeleton shape-shifted into a goofy rainbow cartoon skeleton who was swaying back and fourth from laughter - and the place just dissipated away because there was no more "frequency match"...

I'm telling you, for me - this was the kind of spiritual experience I was looking for - and I have gained so much from it - I am truly not afraid of any realm and will insist on bringing empathy, unconditional respect for individuality - as well as equal self-respect - I will not tolerate torture and confinement - I make my terms crystal clear and because these realms are made of the local consciousness in a more direct way than we are used to one Earth (though it still applies!) The space will reinforce my crystal clear intentions and it's not worth it for the trickster beings or the parasitic ones to bother with me - they have told me I am too much of a bother and not easy enough of a target - and that their attempts to get me have only made me stronger and more thoughtful - they called me "grime in their system" was the actual wording that came through - they had a lot to say about me! Yet on the other side of the table, there was a very pleasant presence and it simply said "keep doing what you're doing."

I found it interesting that the table was divided with the "predatory" vibe to the left side, the "unconditionally loving" vibe on the right side - and me in the middle - and I start to hink about certain themes in religions - and I think "oh, this is where they got the original idea from..." - and as I think this, one of the less dominant one on the left side replies "oh yes, your kind used to commune with spirits once every seven days, you should smoke more DMT to make our connection stronger..." At that point the experience was too much and I opened my eyes - which is like the ejection seat, eyes closed and the visions are intense and fill in the black with vivid reality of a different kind - I open my eyes and I am back in my living room, but it had textures and presences that float upon the physical surface...

Like I said, it becomes too much to bear so I have taken it easy and decided to reflect on what I already have - I do not want to "get lost over there" or damage my physical vehicle in a non-physical way that cannot be repaired...

A friend was in a chamber with a gray being who showed him two buttons, one button would open the door for him to leave, the other button meant his spirit would have to stay in this chamber with him indefinitely! He did not touch anything and waited for the vision to end, about 4 to 5 minutes long...

It is not to be taken lightly, I do the best I can, I have developed a lot, but I will let that stage of life occur naturally as intended - I don't want to do something that I cannot easily undo...

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Your story have strong associations with random visiting of different countries: each time something new. I suppose this analogy can be "used out there")

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Yes, like a very foreign country, a place that is both alien, yet familiar, like a long lost memory that is on the tip of your tongue but you can't quite grasp it, very dreamy feeling - but because it arrives so suddenly - your awakened everyday consciousness remains intact - the difficulty is to keep it for the entire 5 minutes without getting swept up in the visions and leaving the memories behind - such as we do when we go to sleep at night and wake up in the morning...

I have a special prayer of remembrance I was taught by another "traveler" in which as you prepare to "blast-off" you make a very strong willed intention to remember every moment without fail - and you would remember to keep a link of focused memories from the very beginning to the very end - and I would tell what happened to my significant other - she was also a "traveler" at the time - so we could help to keep track of our experiences together...

This has helped me to remember my dreams as well - sometimes this is unfortunate because my dreams can be very disturbing and nightmarish at times - I have always had trouble with disturbing dreams - and these experiences seemed to "widen the doorway" and the bad dreams have become worse and the good dreams have become very lucid and involve a lot of responsibility...

For instance, I recently had a dream with a 8-9 foot tall man in a black cloak who wears a green goblin mask and plays with hands puppets of small animals - he would cast shadows everywhere in my dream, following me around and taunting me with these dancing shadows - he wanted me to know he could see what I was seeing and could control the shadows - I screamed at him to stop following me and he leaned-in from behind a corner and pushed his huge goblin face into my face...

Or haunted house dreams where I have horrifying obstacles that myself and other kind-hearted people are forced to do awful things or else we die in awful ways...

This is one of the things I am worried about because I am a very good / loving / understanding person, but that doesn't seem to matter as I am still put in these very uncomfortable positions...

I have come to understand why we are not completely open to this other world, because it is extremely dangerous - as well as extremely enlightening - and you really must have your shit together, be balanced and very strong to live with "the door open very wide" - which is also why I am more cautious, I will allow my consciousness to naturally grow to the appropriate level as it naturally happens - because otherwise you can be in a circumstance with repercussions we do not completely understand...

Okay that's enough of that "vibe" haha, sorry if that is a bit heavy, I'm just letting things flow I guess, I hope it's okay!

Oh yes now I remember, part of my reasons to tell you this negative stuff is to finish the answer to your question: Did they tell me how to have an OOB experience without DMT?

My best response is to cleanse your body, drink lots of juices, have a high nutrition levels and build a routine where you request a positive OOB experience while meditating in the same spot the same time as often as possible.

Close your eyes and face the sun - allow only the smallest bit of light to peak through or none at all - bask in that orange glow and make your routine prayer - try to sit in a position where you a neither sitting-up nor laying down and observe the subtle patterns behind closed eyes in the warm glow of the sun...

On a special day - your prayer will be answered - it may take days, weeks, months or years, but I am confident your prayer will be answered :)

2. Do you have some knowledge about why we still are "zombies" and not remember past lives, dreams etc.? Yes we wear "clothes" like you said, but when we can wear them off or can we do it at all? Maybe we waiting for some "great quantum leap" or we will cannot do it because evil shit ultimately control us from now and for ever, so we have to reborn or stuck in a "He'll" dimension below us.

My best response that feels most right to me is this: This is what happens sometimes to life. This is what happens when you get caught-up in certain behavior. This is what happens when many different influence from many different dimensions as express themselves in various extremes and all influences are allowed 100% free reign - for better and for worse...

The question that is being answered is: How do you get out of such a big mess? Hahaha :D

So reality has crafted the finest most complete mess imaginable - all the worst problems that ever existed would be present and act in full force so that consciousness may develop resilience to each circumstances...

Every stone revisited and uncovered, smashed and reformed, smashed and reformed again, made infinitely larger, then made infinitely smaller, again and again until there is no stone left untouched...

And we see it as galaxies and stars - these are consciousness realities expressing different variables / circumstances...

And the whole structure is a single organism that is a universe, simply living and exploring itself...

I'm getting super far out and poetic, haha, it reminds me of more of the strange stories that had flowed through me while having these experiences...

Sometimes when I would travel, a story would be told through me and my consciousness like a 3D nursery rhyme made out of this glowing smooth clay I told you about...

One strange story was about an obsessed madman who wanted to live in a simulated reality of his own liking - no one else could understand that his reality machine he built would result in 100% enlightened perfection - so to prove his point he kidnapped two women and trapped them inside his holographic reality - the machine deconstructed the three original individuals into all the stars, galaxies and lifeforms we see today - the original three will one day then reintegrate all the broken shattered individual pieces back into those original three and the holographic light universe machine would finally release them - completely balanced and aware of all possibilities - but this process would take billions and billions of years...

I don't know what to make of such a story! Hahaha. What am I to think? I don't know whether to believe it or not - but is there some useful "archetypal" truth to it? Perhaps...

I found it interesting there was "three" individuals like a trinity - things like this are also sometimes red-flags to me, untrustworthy, as it could be an influence that wants to misdirect me - have me preaching that story as truth - to use that as leverage in the physical world for more flexibility in the consciousness of the people that jump on-board with that belief...

This is why now I am so cautious as well, because there is no 100% way from me to be certain what is accurate, what is a wolf in sheep's clothing, or allow this to interfere with my normal life - which is the normal intended path of my spirit - to interfere with that is very serious business, very serious issue to correct if one wanders too far out and away into the chaos without a way to get back to some form of "normal"...

Sorry for these constant side-tracks, they feel important for some reason so I am going with it :)

Yes, so the "clothes" or the "thick wool sheet" that our minds are so wrapped up in and dulled down with - some would also call it "the veil" - the "blinders"...

This is a mix of our own fault - we allowed the circumstance to get so bad - AND a mix of non-visible forces that sustain their own life by misdirecting humanity - they "harness" humanity energetically - so if all they have to do is convince a few elite class they are special - do some magic tricks to convince them they are "Gods" - and these few "Pharoh's" "Royalty" "Elites" ect then can do the energetic bidding of these manipulative spiritual predators - it is a very big reward for not very much work...

I think the "gold" being "mined" by "human slaves" is MUCH DIFFERENT than the Annunaki propaganda would like you to believe...

It's a very old trick - and the greater universe is allowing it to go on so it can build resilience - it can cure the virus by allowing the virus to spread a bit - but then the organism develops strong antibodies for the greater whole - in the form of human spirits ;)

I don't know if I'm right, but I feel as though I am, I risk defying subjectivity like a sociology rebel man! >:O Hahaha...

Last for of your question, the "lower hell" from my experience is a state of mind - if you stay there and you are nasty enough - you risk staying there forever if you don't change your ways - but when you open up genuinely to love and empathy and suddenly you care, the environment around you responds and accordingly - frequency match - law of attraction - order within chaos - a flower pushing up through darkness, reaching for the light and blossoming into the wilderness...

The universe tells us a clear story if we are open to recognize it surrounding us and expressing ourselves ;)

The thick gray cloth, the veil - will be lifted AS WE LIFT IT - my best feeling is that it comes and goes in different ages for different sets of new variables - this is a super hard-core dark ages period - but will result in a super amazing golden age of spirits who are very enlightened / caring / aware individuals.

And things around use will slowly adjust as we change - there is no defined magic date, we must take each and every step, but it generally takes the same amount of time, so that's why we look back and it seems like linear progression, but in the moment it was in the moment...

I think our children's children will REALLY see the difference, maybe when we're on the way out - but I never believed the 2012 fireworks display hype, I held out for any possibility of course, I'd witness truly remarkable things, aliens other worlds ect, but I had a gut feeling there would be no big event - nature and real reality is more subtle - plus the "bad guys" have too much to loose if they make too big of a move and fail / reveal themselves - there are many benefits to remaining in the shadows...

One day it will be IMPOSSIBLE to manipulate and control us, we will be too aware, too caring - we will be TOO MUCH OF A BOTHER - no footholds left to harness...

That has been the intended outcome this entire time in my opinion :)

3. What can you say about "new era of some quantum change, leap, and stuff" what promised to arrive at 2012 but still nothing emerged? Maybe some guys there tol you about it? Man i so frustrated that nothing but same stupid things happened around me. I feel everything around is like a giant puzzle we need to solve.

As we change / the environment changes - and as the environment changes / we change as well...

It is more subtle than we expect in my opinion.

Although! On the individual level - you can "run ahead" a bit - I feel this is what I did, one being had told me: "You are just dipping your toes into new waters..." So I am expecting that one day, perhaps as soon as the next "age" we will have more vivid meditation experiences - and slowly but surely we will reunite with conscious multidimensional existence - I realistically see the best hope for this in 2 or 3 more generations, I feel it is more likely than we think - because the greater universe is also shifting - the "energetic support" of the greater environment will no longer support old stupid systems that people can easily see through...

Which is why we are experiencing this "age of darkness" I think - enough people get sick and tired of how awful something is - then the next generation is slightly better - evolution seems similar to "genetic memory heritage" - and in my opinion there is a "reason" a drive - it is not random, I believe it is / we are intended to refine itself / ourselves amidst many different variables...

And it does feel like a strange puzzle that must be solved... hahaha

They once told me: "This has been going on for a very, VERY, VERY, VEEEERRRRRRRY LONG time..." And in that moment I could feel the extent of how ancient he was talking about - this is a very ancient and mysterious alien holographic comic book story going on here... ;)

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I share same idea with you about, lets say in analogy, that life here is a big gym for our consciousness. I read about it long time before in different sources but alot of questions emerged over less count of answers.

I waiting for answer for last question please. Its very important for me to build some structure about "out there, below and above" in my mind. I clearly understand that unless i experience that i cant understand it as complete whole, but it better to be prepared a bit over not to be at all i think ;)

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4. How "far" you was from "here"? You know what i mean) Did you experienced worlds with 4 or 5 or greater geometrical dimensions? Can you compare your experiences to those what was described in a Robert Monroes book? (im very sure you read all 3 parts)

I'm sorry I am not very familiar with Robert Monroe's work! I only know very little about him, I should look into him more. :)

What I will talk about are the feelings and sensations - that did genuinely feel like "another dimension" - I'm so glad you ask because this is the type of thing I ALWAYS WISHED WOULD BE ANSWERED!! Haha :D

ALL this TALK about 4th and 5th dimension and what do I get for a description of what its like? Nothing! Zilch nada! haha...

This was one of the reasons I couldn't help myself, the mystery and allure was too much to resist so maybe I took things a bit too far :)

I've included a few bits of my artwork, I'm always trying to capture that feeling of being over there, I think I will be spending the rest of my life in this pursuit - I will become more public about my identity and allow these two worlds to meet when I can be certain I can continue to pay the bills, get work and not be sent to the madhouse! haha...

I swear I've felt weightlessness before while over there - I was floating in the middle of the room spinning backwards and this rounded cube magenta room spun forwards in the other direction at the same speed - and it was the strangest sensation - it would move at this particular speed that was not too fast or not too slow - you would look at it and see that things were moving, yet things also appeared still, like a slow deep breath kind of motion that never went any faster...

Other times things move so quickly it looks like a solid object made of many quickly moving pieces - I've seen these clay coffee mug sized / shaped cylinders (without a handle) they were different shades of blue and white - they had two rings of color, sort of looking like the top of a AA battery - and they shot up and down along the walls in stacks so fast I could barely stand to look at them - and I floated right down the center of them where I met a tall blue being of blue light and seashell patterns - He had no facial features but was covered in all of these spiral patterns - he felt like some kind of distant family / we felt related somehow - he could read me like an open book - so he addressed things that weighed heavy on my heart, like feeling conflicted about good vs. evil, feeling worried the universe had been taken over by darkness and turned into a self-destroying wild west...

He told me I worry too much, hahaha, he's the one who told me about what I mentioned from before, about: should we limit expression? There's more good than bad ultimately, good is forever stable, "bad" is forever predatory, desperate, crumbling - as an aware spirit I should respond to "evil" with love and empathy because that's where the original resentment came from in the first place, a lack of love and understanding / oversight - so what am I really fussing about in the first place? Something that I also know personally in my own life? Better understanding of empathy was the gift this being imparted to me and I actually felt better for the first time ever about these concerns...

No one had ever given me the answer I was looking for, and suddenly this being just knew exactly what to say and how to say it to help me out - he shared gratitude for caring - that was the most important thing as far as he knew - and that he respected me as much as he respected himself and all expressions of creation - then we parted ways - I have met this being 2 or 3 times, I could tell he was the same individual by his presence and feeling...

There is a big difference between beings that feel like they a tricksters or something is not right vs. these other experiences where they go out of their way to be respectful, the motive feels completely different - this was another key discovery - as to isolate the motive - this helped me to reveal the angels that approached me but I could somehow tell their motive was "unclean" and the more I asked about it and exposed my perspective - their illusion literally fell apart - my consciousness was not supporting their attempt and their appearance changes to dark brown robes and the "heaven" faded into a dark murky cave type of place...

Back to nice beings / more examples of the feelings of the "space" - I have also met a female who was made of flower petal textures and she was a bright magenta color, I have met with her two times as well, once I met with both the blue man and the magenta woman at the same time - and their individual patterns / textures meshed / responded with one another the closer they got to one another in the room, and the room was also reacting in this way - made of the same patterns...

I could tell one was more "masculine" because he chose to express his form in straight / strong humanoid lines - whereas the "female" had hips and breasts that were curvy and feminine - what was interesting was I never thought they took this form to appease me, it felt as though this was their chosen form for their day to day lives - I have mat human beings again and again - some appear middle-eastern, Egyptian, they wear robes that appear classic and modern at the same time, but they lean more towards classic with a subtle touch of something "spacey" - I have always been AWESTRUCK by the aesthetics over there, I have the strong impression that there are MANY humans of ALL SORTS in VARIOUS DIMENSIONS doing all kinds of nonsense, hahaha...

Some are muscular, super buff Zeus types in flowing white robes - they sit on thrones or chairs that are attached to the walls / or ceilings...

Ah yes of course, lots of hallways, either massive in size or gigantic beyond description - rarely but sometimes I've gone "super small" things are usually MASSIVE...

These hallways have archways that go from top to bottom in a way that makes any surface the wall or floor or ceiling depending on what angle you are in the room...

Endless walls of silhouettes of mothers feeding babies wrapped around in fractal shapes similar to a blossoming flower, no side is particularly "top" or "bottom" everything is constantly unfolding in that slow yet fast pace...

Wherever you look you are just there somehow, your "gaze" itself becomes very influential in navigation and communication - it all just happens without even having to try - the environment itself just supports all of this and it just happens naturally like riding a cosmic bike again after 90 years of being on Earth, if your lucky I suppose, haha...

Yeah and be prepared to have no secrets, a being will "read you" and suddenly more about yourself will pass through your being than you were aware of in the fist place...

It's strange to be "downloaded" and suddenly this non-physical being just knows you better than you know yourself, as though this wasn't uncomfortable enough already as it was! Hahaha...

This woman in a throne room once told me: "Why would anyone want to do that!?" She had this disgusted look on her face like getting to know me was such a bother, then she telepathically told her henchman, this tall cartoon blue owl man who wore a blue white and black jumpsuit, she told him "Just put him back wherever you found him..." I was just too much of an annoyance to even be in her presence...

I think that best gives an impression of the space, the feelings, ah yes one final worthwhile note, is time...

Time is like liquid over there, 10 minutes can be stretched into hours, I've seen different eras of history just cycle past like flipping through an old card catalogue in a library, or flipping through a picture album - the environment there just supports this - I've gotten the impression you can can get in a line where you can live the life as anyone you want and the whole thing will play through like it was happening the first time - I've gotten this eerie feeling that earth lifetimes will repeat forever for whoever wants to experience it, like a big 3D encyclopedia that is forever assessable if you're game to dive in...

Until next time, take care and thank you for giving me this chance to express all this craziness, haha ;)
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