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(OP) Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 64388290 United States 02/07/2015 05:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes. But you often find yourself in the middle. Which is a very uncomfortable place to find oneself. it is Often times in such a case, one or both 'sides' will challenge your loyalty to them. If one chooses not to take a side, often it results in loss of both. Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
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(OP) Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 64388290 United States 02/07/2015 05:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Could it also be considered then that, The enemy of my friend is my enemy... Quoting: Seer777 Be just another way of looking at it? Yeah, it sounds like another way of looking at it I think If my friend has an enemy, and it is a problem and he/she asks for help, then i suppose it is now also my problem? It seems to work that way in many aspects of society and personal and interpersonal relationships. Even if the 'enemy' be just a group defined thought form. Like say, opposing teams. Fans of Team A group themselves as do fans of Team B. If your friend likes Team A, then you are more likely to also like Team A, often due location, and in that hold a common force you oppose. Bit of a rough example. Hope that makes sense. Gang wars of the 90's Bloods/Crips come to call as well. Us vs. Them essentially. That's a good example Team A vs B, or Bloods and Crips you could be killed(and many have been) for wearing red in a Crip neighborhood even if you weren't a Blood and vise versa. It just doesn't make sense. Even if he was a Blood, he didn't even know the guy most likely. They could have been best friends in another place and time Yes. Exactly. How do we as a species make snap judgement of 'enemy/friend' based on how others in our accepted 'head space' perceive the same? In the above example it was based on Red/Blue. Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 61917558 Canada 02/07/2015 05:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's much like propaganda.As propaganda depends on exaggeration to create a polarizing divide based on a truth so perniciously devoid of logic it cannot be argued. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61917558 But, creates camps, as minds seek to find balance on a slippery slope. Friends and enemies are solely temporal direction. Cheers Good afternoon. :) Man is rather subject to both exaggeration and elaboration. I was reading earlier than Brian Williams lied about being on a helicopter which now calls all his 'reporting' into question. He lied to improve the story? For what purpose but to buoy ratings? His own career? Make the story more exciting? I find it interesting that once a lie is uncovered, it calls everything about someone into question. Reminds... [link to i.imgur.com] You give what you get, perception aside. Think of a lie as misdirection or a sound damper. Either way you stray from the path or are deafened for a time. cheers afternoon to you too |
Seer777
(OP) Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 64388290 United States 02/07/2015 05:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | yes With that said then cancer could not be considered in the pretext of this thread. As I already mentioned in the OP then again on the prior pages, I utilize The War on Cancer' as a common enemy/threat that mankind unites to fight. See here: Firstly, how true is this statement? In general. Throughout history? In your own life? Have you ever formed bonds with another based strictly on sharing a common enemy? Have you found it to be advantageous or detrimental? Quoting: Seer777 Is this tendency to group against a perceived common enemy, form the basis or foundation of much human grouping? For example..War on Cancer. I utilized 'Cancer' as an example of what could be considered a common enemy of Mankind and one Man unites against to defeat. Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 67806333 United States 02/07/2015 05:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67801204 Yeah, it sounds like another way of looking at it I think If my friend has an enemy, and it is a problem and he/she asks for help, then i suppose it is now also my problem? It seems to work that way in many aspects of society and personal and interpersonal relationships. Even if the 'enemy' be just a group defined thought form. Like say, opposing teams. Fans of Team A group themselves as do fans of Team B. If your friend likes Team A, then you are more likely to also like Team A, often due location, and in that hold a common force you oppose. Bit of a rough example. Hope that makes sense. Gang wars of the 90's Bloods/Crips come to call as well. Us vs. Them essentially. That's a good example Team A vs B, or Bloods and Crips you could be killed(and many have been) for wearing red in a Crip neighborhood even if you weren't a Blood and vise versa. It just doesn't make sense. Even if he was a Blood, he didn't even know the guy most likely. They could have been best friends in another place and time Yes. Exactly. How do we as a species make snap judgement of 'enemy/friend' based on how others in our accepted 'head space' perceive the same? In the above example it was based on Red/Blue. If friends and foes all wore labels to define certain aspects about them which we attribute to each status, decisions of this type would be easier. In the examples of opposing teams and gangs, this is somewhat the case, the sides are defined, the reasons for friend or foe already agreed upon by each party of allies. No further evaluation need be made, because the labels designate friend or foe according to common agreement. In regular life, labels and stereotypes don't always provide enough information to decide whether someone is friend or foe. Yet, people make snap judgements based on body language, instinct, actions, words and other criteria, as to whether someone is a threat or a non-threat(loosely speaking-friend or foe). I think much confusion has come out of casual use of the terms "friend" and "enemy". When in reality, what is actually being defined is much more simple and less related to relationship and more to survival instinct. |
Seer777
(OP) Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 64388290 United States 02/07/2015 05:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's much like propaganda.As propaganda depends on exaggeration to create a polarizing divide based on a truth so perniciously devoid of logic it cannot be argued. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61917558 But, creates camps, as minds seek to find balance on a slippery slope. Friends and enemies are solely temporal direction. Cheers Good afternoon. :) Man is rather subject to both exaggeration and elaboration. I was reading earlier than Brian Williams lied about being on a helicopter which now calls all his 'reporting' into question. He lied to improve the story? For what purpose but to buoy ratings? His own career? Make the story more exciting? I find it interesting that once a lie is uncovered, it calls everything about someone into question. Reminds... [link to i.imgur.com] You give what you get, perception aside. Think of a lie as misdirection or a sound damper. Either way you stray from the path or are deafened for a time. cheers afternoon to you too 'Sound damper'. That's clever. :) Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
Seer777
(OP) Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 64388290 United States 02/07/2015 05:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Doesn't the fact that the mere existance of a common 'enenmy' universal for all- death, in fact create a need for division ? Quoting: Suutari Is Death the enemy of Life? And in that, all that lives are friends united against the common threat known as Death? I have considered the potential of 'conscious immortality' through the uploading of consciousness and how it would alter things in that regard. Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 61917558 Canada 02/07/2015 05:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I utilized 'Cancer' as an example of what could be considered a common enemy of Mankind and one Man unites against to defeat. Quoting: Seer777 Death is all consuming. If it were there would be no life. Transience and perspective unfettered by the pinion of defined personality. transmogrification. cheers |
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(OP) Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 64388290 United States 02/07/2015 06:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's a good example Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67801204 Team A vs B, or Bloods and Crips you could be killed(and many have been) for wearing red in a Crip neighborhood even if you weren't a Blood and vise versa. It just doesn't make sense. Even if he was a Blood, he didn't even know the guy most likely. They could have been best friends in another place and time Yes. Exactly. How do we as a species make snap judgement of 'enemy/friend' based on how others in our accepted 'head space' perceive the same? In the above example it was based on Red/Blue. If friends and foes all wore labels to define certain aspects about them which we attribute to each status, decisions of this type would be easier. In the examples of opposing teams and gangs, this is somewhat the case, the sides are defined, the reasons for friend or foe already agreed upon by each party of allies. No further evaluation need be made, because the labels designate friend or foe according to common agreement. In regular life, labels and stereotypes don't always provide enough information to decide whether someone is friend or foe. Yet, people make snap judgements based on body language, instinct, actions, words and other criteria, as to whether someone is a threat or a non-threat(loosely speaking-friend or foe). I think much confusion has come out of casual use of the terms "friend" and "enemy". When in reality, what is actually being defined is much more simple and less related to relationship and more to survival instinct. I think that is often the case in the sense of fashion and how one dresses. On campus it is not uncommon to see women in hijab and/or burkas walking in crowds with girls with their buttocks hanging out of their shorts. Had I the chance to make friends with just one, who would I choose and why? Would I approach either based completely on their attire? Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
Cyph3r
User ID: 59170810 United Kingdom 02/07/2015 06:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No. Do you? This thread is exploration of a concept and how it permeates Mankind's reasoning and behavior... 3 Laws of Thought 1. Law of identity: "Whatever is, is." 2. Law of noncontradiction: "Nothing can both be and not be." 3. Law of excluded middle: "Everything must either be or not be." [link to en.wikipedia.org] 1. Wrong, try again... 2. Wrong, must try harder... 3. Wrong, must try harder... Cyph3r |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 67806333 United States 02/07/2015 06:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Doesn't the fact that the mere existance of a common 'enenmy' universal for all- death, in fact create a need for division ? Quoting: Suutari Is Death the enemy of Life? And in that, all that lives are friends united against the common threat known as Death? I have considered the potential of 'conscious immortality' through the uploading of consciousness and how it would alter things in that regard. Generally speaking, death is neither friend or foe to life, but it is an expression of a state of life (or rather, ceasing to live). |
Seer777
(OP) Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 64388290 United States 02/07/2015 06:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Doesn't the fact that the mere existance of a common 'enenmy' universal for all- death, in fact create a need for division ? Quoting: Suutari Is Death the enemy of Life? And in that, all that lives are friends united against the common threat known as Death? I have considered the potential of 'conscious immortality' through the uploading of consciousness and how it would alter things in that regard. Generally speaking, death is neither friend or foe to life, but it is an expression of a state of life (or rather, ceasing to live). Recalls... The Law of Excluded Middle For example, if P is the proposition: Socrates is mortal. then the law of excluded middle holds that the logical disjunction: Either Socrates is mortal, or it is not the case that Socrates is mortal. is true by virtue of its form alone. That is, the "middle" position, that Socrates is neither mortal nor not-mortal, is excluded by logic, and therefore either the first possibility (Socrates is mortal) or its negation (it is not the case that Socrates is mortal) must be true. [link to en.wikipedia.org] Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 67806333 United States 02/07/2015 06:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's a good example Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67801204 Team A vs B, or Bloods and Crips you could be killed(and many have been) for wearing red in a Crip neighborhood even if you weren't a Blood and vise versa. It just doesn't make sense. Even if he was a Blood, he didn't even know the guy most likely. They could have been best friends in another place and time Yes. Exactly. How do we as a species make snap judgement of 'enemy/friend' based on how others in our accepted 'head space' perceive the same? In the above example it was based on Red/Blue. If friends and foes all wore labels to define certain aspects about them which we attribute to each status, decisions of this type would be easier. In the examples of opposing teams and gangs, this is somewhat the case, the sides are defined, the reasons for friend or foe already agreed upon by each party of allies. No further evaluation need be made, because the labels designate friend or foe according to common agreement. In regular life, labels and stereotypes don't always provide enough information to decide whether someone is friend or foe. Yet, people make snap judgements based on body language, instinct, actions, words and other criteria, as to whether someone is a threat or a non-threat(loosely speaking-friend or foe). I think much confusion has come out of casual use of the terms "friend" and "enemy". When in reality, what is actually being defined is much more simple and less related to relationship and more to survival instinct. I think that is often the case in the sense of fashion and how one dresses. On campus it is not uncommon to see women in hijab and/or burkas walking in crowds with girls with their buttocks hanging out of their shorts. Had I the chance to make friends with just one, who would I choose and why? Would I approach either based completely on their attire? In such a situation it would depend on you, your intent, your preconceptions and beliefs, intuition and observing behavior and body language. Ultimately though, the decision to engage or interact with someone is an individual one. |
Seer777
(OP) Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 64388290 United States 02/07/2015 06:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Seer777 Yes. Exactly. How do we as a species make snap judgement of 'enemy/friend' based on how others in our accepted 'head space' perceive the same? In the above example it was based on Red/Blue. If friends and foes all wore labels to define certain aspects about them which we attribute to each status, decisions of this type would be easier. In the examples of opposing teams and gangs, this is somewhat the case, the sides are defined, the reasons for friend or foe already agreed upon by each party of allies. No further evaluation need be made, because the labels designate friend or foe according to common agreement. In regular life, labels and stereotypes don't always provide enough information to decide whether someone is friend or foe. Yet, people make snap judgements based on body language, instinct, actions, words and other criteria, as to whether someone is a threat or a non-threat(loosely speaking-friend or foe). I think much confusion has come out of casual use of the terms "friend" and "enemy". When in reality, what is actually being defined is much more simple and less related to relationship and more to survival instinct. I think that is often the case in the sense of fashion and how one dresses. On campus it is not uncommon to see women in hijab and/or burkas walking in crowds with girls with their buttocks hanging out of their shorts. Had I the chance to make friends with just one, who would I choose and why? Would I approach either based completely on their attire? In such a situation it would depend on you, your intent, your preconceptions and beliefs, intuition and observing behavior and body language. Ultimately though, the decision to engage or interact with someone is an individual one. Yes it is. How to respond to the push to interact when pulled away due to the forces that oppose... Whatever those 'forces' may be. Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
Blitzdicker User ID: 29649566 United States 02/07/2015 06:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "Enemy of my enemy is my friend" is an uncompetitive loser's strategy. Something you resort to when you know you can't win but just refuse to die honorably. It's one step above plugging your ears and screaming "KARMA -- WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND", right before your taller, smarter, more physically attractive opponent splits your skull wide open with a warhammer. |
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(OP) Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 64388290 United States 02/07/2015 06:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "Enemy of my enemy is my friend" is an uncompetitive loser's strategy. Something you resort to when you know you can't win but just refuse to die honorably. It's one step above plugging your ears and screaming "KARMA -- WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND", right before your taller, smarter, more physically attractive opponent splits your skull wide open with a warhammer. Quoting: Blitzdicker 29649566 I don't think you thought through that very well at all. I think there is a GOOD reason the proverb goes back to 4 BCE. Especially, in the sense of warfare. The idea that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" functioned in various guises as foreign policy by Allied powers during the Second World War. In Europe, tension was common between the Western Allies and the Soviet Union. Despite their inherent differences, they recognized a need to work together to meet the threat of Nazi aggression, under the leadership of Adolf Hitler. Both U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt and British Prime Minister Winston Churchill were wary of the Soviet Union under the leadership of Joseph Stalin. However, both developed policies with an understanding that Soviet cooperation was necessary for the Allied war effort to succeed... [link to en.wikipedia.org] Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 56524291 United States 02/09/2015 05:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | At worst, you both share common ground to receive a friendship. At best, all parties are equal for not understanding that friendships are not built, because friendship is something that is offered to someone. Intent is what matters most. Everything else happens as a result. |
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User ID: 64574944 United States 02/09/2015 05:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The enemy of my enemy is my friend... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56524291 At worst, you both share common ground to receive a friendship. At best, all parties are equal for not understanding that friendships are not built, because friendship is something that is offered to someone. Intent is what matters most. Everything else happens as a result. Yes, assuming all parties involved are human. The OP stepped outside of that assumption and personalized non life as an enemy. Suutari |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56524291 United States 02/09/2015 05:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The enemy of my enemy is my friend... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56524291 At worst, you both share common ground to receive a friendship. At best, all parties are equal for not understanding that friendships are not built, because friendship is something that is offered to someone. Intent is what matters most. Everything else happens as a result. Yes, assuming all parties involved are human. The OP stepped outside of that assumption and personalized non life as an enemy. I see. If that is the case then non-life equals nothing. And nothing, is... everything. |
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