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Whenever someone says Josephus is evidence for Jesus, a misperception of the facts is at work. The fact is that people express opinions about the evidence we read in Josephus. It is someone’s opinion that what is found in Josephus can or should be interpreted as a reference to the historical Jesus. There is no clear evidence at all in Josephus — only passages that have recently been interpreted that way.
The claim that Josephus said anything at all about Jesus is a relatively new one to the field of “modern” (post enlightenment) historical enquiry. The “rational claim” used to be that, since the key passage (the “Testimonium Flavianum” in book 18 of Antiquities) was clearly doctored or contaminated with some obvious interpolation, it was worthless as evidence.
To recap, here is the key passage in Josephus:
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Paul > Saul >Josephus Flavius


The end.....thats all a sensible person really needs, and it is enough to question all of it, every last word of it.
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The end.....thats all a sensible person really needs, and it is enough to question all of it, every last word of it.
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Sensible people don't base their premiss around a lie.
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You cant, most scolars say they are doctored in a later time in order to use them as proof for Jesus existence.
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WHO IS JESUS?

JOHN 1
1 In the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him;
and without him was not any thing made
that was made.

4 In him was life;
and the life was the light of men.

5 And the light shineth in darkness;
and the darkness comprehended it not.

6 There was a man sent from God,
whose name was John.

7 The same came for a witness,
to bear witness of the Light,
that all men through him might believe.

8 He was not that Light,
but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

9 That was the true Light,
which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

10 He was in the world,
and the world was made by him,
and the world knew him not.

11 He came unto his own,
and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him,
to them gave he power to become the sons of God,
even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood,
nor of the will of the flesh,
nor of the will of man,
but of God.


14 And the Word was made flesh,
and dwelt among us,

(and we beheld his glory, the glory
as of the only begotten of the Father,)
full of grace and truth.


WHERE IS JESUS NOW?

1 JOHN 5
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven,
the Father,
the Word,
and the Holy Ghost:

and these three are one.


WHAT DOES GOD THE FATHER SAY ABOUT HIS SON?

HEBREWS 1
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners
spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son,
whom he hath appointed heir of all things,
by whom also he made the worlds;

3 Who being the brightness of his glory,
and the express image of his person,
and upholding all things by the word of his power,
when he had by himself purged our sins,
sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

4 Being made so much better than the angels,
as he hath by inheritance obtained a more
excellent name than they.

5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time,
Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee?
And again, I will be to him a Father,
and he shall be to me a Son?

6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten
into the world, he saith,
And let all the angels of God worship him.

7 And of the angels he saith,
Who maketh his angels spirits,
and his ministers a flame of fire.


8 But unto the Son he saith,
Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever:
a sceptre of righteousness
is the sceptre of thy kingdom.


9 Thou hast loved righteousness,
and hated iniquity; therefore God,
even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil
of gladness above thy fellows.

10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning
hast laid the foundation of the earth;
and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

11 They shall perish; but thou remainest;
and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;

12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up,
and they shall be changed: but thou art the same,
and thy years shall not fail.

13 But to which of the angels said he at any time,
Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies
thy footstool?

14 Are they not all ministering spirits,
sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs
of salvation?


Jesus Christ sits right this very minute,
NEXT TO God the Father.
He is glorified in Heaven.
He is God Almighty,
Seek Him before it is eternally too late.
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Paul > Saul >Josephus Flavius


The end.....thats all a sensible person really needs, and it is enough to question all of it, every last word of it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60222398


cruise
Sensible people don't base their premiss around a lie.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60145857


I notice that all the people with the demonic spirit of antichrist (who deny Christ) are always cackling.

That cackling will end. Enjoy the last of your years of existence.
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I notice that all the people with the demonic spirit of antichrist (who deny Christ) are always cackling.

That cackling will end. Enjoy the last of your years of existence.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39001248


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WHO IS JESUS?

JOHN 1
1 In the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him;
and without him was not any thing made
that was made.

4 In him was life;
and the life was the light of men.

5 And the light shineth in darkness;
and the darkness comprehended it not.

6 There was a man sent from God,
whose name was John.

7 The same came for a witness,
to bear witness of the Light,
that all men through him might believe.

8 He was not that Light,
but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

9 That was the true Light,
which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

10 He was in the world,
and the world was made by him,
and the world knew him not.

11 He came unto his own,
and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him,
to them gave he power to become the sons of God,
even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood,
nor of the will of the flesh,
nor of the will of man,
but of God.


14 And the Word was made flesh,
and dwelt among us,

(and we beheld his glory, the glory
as of the only begotten of the Father,)
full of grace and truth.


WHERE IS JESUS NOW?

1 JOHN 5
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven,
the Father,
the Word,
and the Holy Ghost:

and these three are one.


WHAT DOES GOD THE FATHER SAY ABOUT HIS SON?

HEBREWS 1
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners
spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son,
whom he hath appointed heir of all things,
by whom also he made the worlds;

3 Who being the brightness of his glory,
and the express image of his person,
and upholding all things by the word of his power,
when he had by himself purged our sins,
sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

4 Being made so much better than the angels,
as he hath by inheritance obtained a more
excellent name than they.

5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time,
Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee?
And again, I will be to him a Father,
and he shall be to me a Son?

6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten
into the world, he saith,
And let all the angels of God worship him.

7 And of the angels he saith,
Who maketh his angels spirits,
and his ministers a flame of fire.


8 But unto the Son he saith,
Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever:
a sceptre of righteousness
is the sceptre of thy kingdom.


9 Thou hast loved righteousness,
and hated iniquity; therefore God,
even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil
of gladness above thy fellows.

10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning
hast laid the foundation of the earth;
and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

11 They shall perish; but thou remainest;
and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;

12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up,
and they shall be changed: but thou art the same,
and thy years shall not fail.

13 But to which of the angels said he at any time,
Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies
thy footstool?

14 Are they not all ministering spirits,
sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs
of salvation?


Jesus Christ sits right this very minute,
NEXT TO God the Father.
He is glorified in Heaven.
He is God Almighty,
Seek Him before it is eternally too late.

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Here come the wall-of-quotes posters.
Quoting reams and reams of insensible quasi-brained quotes .

Its like recording a conversation during a poker game a decade ago, and quoting bits of it every now and then. Lol.

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Paul > Saul >Josephus Flavius


The end.....thats all a sensible person really needs, and it is enough to question all of it, every last word of it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60222398


cruise
Sensible people don't base their premiss around a lie.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60145857


I notice that all the people with the demonic spirit of antichrist (who deny Christ) are always cackling.

That cackling will end. Enjoy the last of your years of existence.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39001248


To deny Christ is not demonic. Its creative. Its the human creative spirit that seeks freedom from within the confines of limited dark thinking.

But to Christians: if you question the bible = you are demonic
If you deny the Christ or whatever = you are the anti-christ.

Cults are magic. They are powerful. You just create one , and they will last for centuries and centuries.

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Seek Him before it is eternally too late.
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Yes, the love from God is so great, that He will torture you for all eternity unless you hurry up.
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Seek Him before it is eternally too late.
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Yes, the love from God is so great, that He will torture you for all eternity unless you hurry up.
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No, that's not what the Bible says. Your soul will be destroyed, but He made it so who are you to complain really?!
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Seek Him before it is eternally too late.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43795930


Yes, the love from God is so great, that He will torture you for all eternity unless you hurry up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60207250


No, that's not what the Bible says. Your soul will be destroyed, but He made it so who are you to complain really?!
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Can you explain the physics/mechanics behind 'soul destruction' or must we rely on 'faith' that it can be so?

huh
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If any of you actually care to read Joesphus, you will find he writes about 13 Jesus'. You will also figure out that this Jesus is based onJudas/Joshua of Galilee and Izates. Josephus invented Jesus. Atheists and Theists don't know that because they haven't actuallyread any Josephus at all.
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Seek Him before it is eternally too late.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43795930


Yes, the love from God is so great, that He will torture you for all eternity unless you hurry up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60207250


No, that's not what the Bible says. Your soul will be destroyed, but He made it so who are you to complain really?!
 Quoting: vedklyvare


Can you explain the physics/mechanics behind 'soul destruction' or must we rely on 'faith' that it can be so?

huh
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Why? I'm sure no human is familiar with the art of soul destruction, but I'm sure the one who created the soul is capable of destroying it.

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I still don't get why people who claim to believe the bible think that Jesus (a man) could be a god, without ignoring the Old Testament altogether.

It is clear in the first half of the book that God is no son of man, is one and not many, and that there are no other "Gods" before or after him.
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I still don't get why people who claim to believe the bible think that Jesus (a man) could be a god, without ignoring the Old Testament altogether.

It is clear in the first half of the book that God is no son of man, is one and not many, and that there are no other "Gods" before or after him.
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It's clear in the first part and it's clear in the second part too. It's the heritage from man-made Roman doctrine.
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:quote1:

Whenever someone says Josephus is evidence for Jesus, a misperception of the facts is at work. The fact is that people express opinions about the evidence we read in Josephus. It is someone’s opinion that what is found in Josephus can or should be interpreted as a reference to the historical Jesus. There is no clear evidence at all in Josephus — only passages that have recently been interpreted that way.
The claim that Josephus said anything at all about Jesus is a relatively new one to the field of “modern” (post enlightenment) historical enquiry. The “rational claim” used to be that, since the key passage (the “Testimonium Flavianum” in book 18 of Antiquities) was clearly doctored or contaminated with some obvious interpolation, it was worthless as evidence.
To recap, here is the key passage in Josephus:
:quote2:
Continue reading:
[link to vridar.org]
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Paul > Saul >Josephus Flavius


The end.....thats all a sensible person really needs, and it is enough to question all of it, every last word of it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60222398


cruise
Sensible people don't base their premiss around a lie.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60145857


I notice that all the people with the demonic spirit of antichrist (who deny Christ) are always cackling.

That cackling will end. Enjoy the last of your years of existence.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39001248


Take the s off years and that is probably closer to the truth , you all will not be laughing soon , the fallen angels will be loosed soon from their abyss , the vail between dimensions lifted and the demonic army of Satan loosed upon mankind , only those who have Jesus will be protected from this wrath .


To the OP there is numerous other non secular writers who spoke of Jesus , the fact only this part of Josephus writings are attacked as credible and you dolts jump on it, it shows exactly your mentality and that would be a combination of hypocrisy and retardation .

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quote1

Whenever someone says Josephus is evidence for Jesus, a misperception of the facts is at work. The fact is that people express opinions about the evidence we read in Josephus. It is someone’s opinion that what is found in Josephus can or should be interpreted as a reference to the historical Jesus. There is no clear evidence at all in Josephus — only passages that have recently been interpreted that way.
The claim that Josephus said anything at all about Jesus is a relatively new one to the field of “modern” (post enlightenment) historical enquiry. The “rational claim” used to be that, since the key passage (the “Testimonium Flavianum” in book 18 of Antiquities) was clearly doctored or contaminated with some obvious interpolation, it was worthless as evidence.
To recap, here is the key passage in Josephus:
quote2
Continue reading:
[link to vridar.org]
 Quoting: abhie


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Truth hurts, yes?
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Seek Him before it is eternally too late.
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Yes, the love from God is so great, that He will torture you for all eternity unless you hurry up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60207250


Unfortunately that is a teaching of the catholic church which is not biblical , it is a shameful teaching and in my opinion God will have much to say to these Christians that teach the lie of Satan .

We are all children of God and he wishes for all to come to repentance ,that will never happen but it's a nice thought . You all can deny the truth and hopefully you will get it correct during the millenial rein of Jesus when Satan is locked away , unable to influence your mans weak minds . If you follow Satan again after his release from the pit , at the end of the millenial rein of Jesus then you will be tossed into the lake of fire and comp,etely and totally erased from everyone's minds that knew you , it will be as if you never were at all .
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Seek Him before it is eternally too late.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43795930


Yes, the love from God is so great, that He will torture you for all eternity unless you hurry up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60207250


Unfortunately that is a teaching of the catholic church which is not biblical , it is a shameful teaching and in my opinion God will have much to say to these Christians that teach the lie of Satan .

We are all children of God and he wishes for all to come to repentance ,that will never happen but it's a nice thought . You all can deny the truth and hopefully you will get it correct during the millenial rein of Jesus when Satan is locked away , unable to influence your mans weak minds . If you follow Satan again after his release from the pit , at the end of the millenial rein of Jesus then you will be tossed into the lake of fire and comp,etely and totally erased from everyone's minds that knew you , it will be as if you never were at all .
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You mean if people deny YOUR truth, they will be tossed in a lake of fire. Not accepting some of the myths of Christianity doesn't mean one will go to hell. That is the framework of the religion-cult that was created. All cults have the same formula: If you leave , or deny our beliefs, you will be destroyed. Same with islam too, if you are a muslim you are forbidden to migrate over to other belief systems. Cults are an entity. They are mind-control.

But there is a bigger truth out there, outside the confines of religious cults. You need courage to see this truth, which is everywhere, all around you , at all times. Its what creates your life, the air you breathe.

There is going to be no millennial reign of a mythical Jesus. Its just you against evil. The faster you realize this, the better it is for all humanity. Nobody is coming. Its just you and them.
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Seek Him before it is eternally too late.
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Yes, the love from God is so great, that He will torture you for all eternity unless you hurry up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60207250


Unfortunately that is a teaching of the catholic church which is not biblical , it is a shameful teaching and in my opinion God will have much to say to these Christians that teach the lie of Satan .

We are all children of God and he wishes for all to come to repentance ,that will never happen but it's a nice thought . You all can deny the truth and hopefully you will get it correct during the millenial rein of Jesus when Satan is locked away , unable to influence your mans weak minds . If you follow Satan again after his release from the pit , at the end of the millenial rein of Jesus then you will be tossed into the lake of fire and comp,etely and totally erased from everyone's minds that knew you , it will be as if you never were at all .
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You mean if people deny YOUR truth, they will be tossed in a lake of fire. Not accepting some of the myths of Christianity doesn't mean one will go to hell. That is the framework of the religion-cult that was created. All cults have the same formula: If you leave , or deny our beliefs, you will be destroyed. Same with islam too, if you are a muslim you are forbidden to migrate over to other belief systems. Cults are an entity. They are mind-control.

But there is a bigger truth out there, outside the confines of religious cults. You need courage to see this truth, which is everywhere, all around you , at all times. Its what creates your life, the air you breathe.

There is going to be no millennial reign of a mythical Jesus. Its just you against evil. The faster you realize this, the better it is for all humanity. Nobody is coming. Its just you and them.
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Well put abhi.
My feeling on all of what you said is: no one left, all the players are here- even the "dead" sleep.
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Seek Him before it is eternally too late.
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Yes, the love from God is so great, that He will torture you for all eternity unless you hurry up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60207250


Unfortunately that is a teaching of the catholic church which is not biblical , it is a shameful teaching and in my opinion God will have much to say to these Christians that teach the lie of Satan .

We are all children of God and he wishes for all to come to repentance ,that will never happen but it's a nice thought . You all can deny the truth and hopefully you will get it correct during the millenial rein of Jesus when Satan is locked away , unable to influence your mans weak minds . If you follow Satan again after his release from the pit , at the end of the millenial rein of Jesus then you will be tossed into the lake of fire and comp,etely and totally erased from everyone's minds that knew you , it will be as if you never were at all .
 Quoting: Azadok61


You mean if people deny YOUR truth, they will be tossed in a lake of fire. Not accepting some of the myths of Christianity doesn't mean one will go to hell. That is the framework of the religion-cult that was created. All cults have the same formula: If you leave , or deny our beliefs, you will be destroyed. Same with islam too, if you are a muslim you are forbidden to migrate over to other belief systems. Cults are an entity. They are mind-control.

But there is a bigger truth out there, outside the confines of religious cults. You need courage to see this truth, which is everywhere, all around you , at all times. Its what creates your life, the air you breathe.

There is going to be no millennial reign of a mythical Jesus. Its just you against evil. The faster you realize this, the better it is for all humanity. Nobody is coming. Its just you and them.
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No Jesus or God the Father ,who then ? Calli or one of the other hundreds of Indi or Hindu manifestations ?

You can actively fight the truth with you so called logical mind , but you are without excuse .

Just answer this .....if the writings of Josephus have been compromised and it seems the only part of His writings involve Jesus that were compromised , do you not find this odd ?

Let's go a little further with the anomaly of attacking Jesus , the new agers who channel these masters all speak of Jesus but again they say he is not the son of God just a evolved spirit , why do they not attack the other religions .

Wy is it that the bible written millenia ago speaks of Christians being persecuted and beheaded and it is happening today , it points the finger at Islam as the culprit in the bible and here we have, it Islam is killing Christians and Jews just like the bible said they would millenia ago before Islam existed , how is this ?

You are decieved and I am sorry to say that when the fallen angels are cast out, you will pay a terrible price for your denial , some people have to learn the hard way , but be of good cheer you will get another chance , not that you had a good chance in todays world but unless you are a rapist of 1st degree murder yo will see the millenium .

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Paul > Saul >Josephus Flavius


The end.....thats all a sensible person really needs, and it is enough to question all of it, every last word of it.
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cruise
Sensible people don't base their premiss around a lie.
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I notice that all the people with the demonic spirit of antichrist (who deny Christ) are always cackling.

That cackling will end. Enjoy the last of your years of existence.
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Take the s off years and that is probably closer to the truth , you all will not be laughing soon , the fallen angels will be loosed soon from their abyss , the vail between dimensions lifted and the demonic army of Satan loosed upon mankind , only those who have Jesus will be protected from this wrath .


To the OP there is numerous other non secular writers who spoke of Jesus , the fact only this part of Josephus writings are attacked as credible and you dolts jump on it, it shows exactly your mentality and that would be a combination of hypocrisy and retardation .
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Yes, and one of those writers was Roman, recording the Crucifixion of Christ. Even had a physical description of Him.
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"the fallen angels will be loosed soon from their abyss"

Or, translated into modern language:

The false messengers will be loosed from their hiding places.

Seems like that has already happened.
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"the fallen angels will be loosed soon from their abyss"

Or, translated into modern language:

The false messengers will be loosed from their hiding places.

Seems like that has already happened.
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No my friend the fallen angels are super natural beings with immense power , they are the ones who have played all the different Demi gods thru all civilizations . When they are loosed they know there time is very short and avenge nice will be in their hearts to drag as many of us with them to judgment as possible . They can not be killed by man so fighting them with ma made weapons is useless .
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I've always wondered how Jesus found guys who were named Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter, Andrew, Thomas, etc. in the ME.
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It seems to me, the only "demi-gods" are a bunch of humans believing they could be God, and failing miserably.
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Yes, the love from God is so great, that He will torture you for all eternity unless you hurry up.
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Unfortunately that is a teaching of the catholic church which is not biblical , it is a shameful teaching and in my opinion God will have much to say to these Christians that teach the lie of Satan .

We are all children of God and he wishes for all to come to repentance ,that will never happen but it's a nice thought . You all can deny the truth and hopefully you will get it correct during the millenial rein of Jesus when Satan is locked away , unable to influence your mans weak minds . If you follow Satan again after his release from the pit , at the end of the millenial rein of Jesus then you will be tossed into the lake of fire and comp,etely and totally erased from everyone's minds that knew you , it will be as if you never were at all .
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You mean if people deny YOUR truth, they will be tossed in a lake of fire. Not accepting some of the myths of Christianity doesn't mean one will go to hell. That is the framework of the religion-cult that was created. All cults have the same formula: If you leave , or deny our beliefs, you will be destroyed. Same with islam too, if you are a muslim you are forbidden to migrate over to other belief systems. Cults are an entity. They are mind-control.

But there is a bigger truth out there, outside the confines of religious cults. You need courage to see this truth, which is everywhere, all around you , at all times. Its what creates your life, the air you breathe.

There is going to be no millennial reign of a mythical Jesus. Its just you against evil. The faster you realize this, the better it is for all humanity. Nobody is coming. Its just you and them.
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No Jesus or God the Father ,who then ? Calli or one of the other hundreds of Indi or Hindu manifestations ?

You can actively fight the truth with you so called logical mind , but you are without excuse .

Just answer this .....if the writings of Josephus have been compromised and it seems the only part of His writings involve Jesus that were compromised , do you not find this odd ?

Let's go a little further with the anomaly of attacking Jesus , the new agers who channel these masters all speak of Jesus but again they say he is not the son of God just a evolved spirit , why do they not attack the other religions .

Wy is it that the bible written millenia ago speaks of Christians being persecuted and beheaded and it is happening today , it points the finger at Islam as the culprit in the bible and here we have, it Islam is killing Christians and Jews just like the bible said they would millenia ago before Islam existed , how is this ?

You are decieved and I am sorry to say that when the fallen angels are cast out, you will pay a terrible price for your denial , some people have to learn the hard way , but be of good cheer you will get another chance , not that you had a good chance in todays world but unless you are a rapist of 1st degree murder yo will see the millenium .
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Stop cursing me and the other people who dont believe what you think is the way tbings are. I could poke a dozen holes in everything you said, but its been done countless number of times. Christians cursing others on GLP is a constant. So are the dirty comments in the red karmas.
Religions generate negativity. The time you spend cursing non believers to hell, if you spent it just being alone with nature trying to connect with your own innate spirituality, it would be much more eye opening.
Meanwhile , know that I have a well developed spiritual aura which protects me from curses from you and your fellow cult members.
(I'm male, mid-40's, and live and work in India as a designer. Writing is a passion of mine, as is painting. My avatar represents my protagonist against the Illuminati -a female warrior.)
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And stop parroting that shit about the fallen angels from the bible again and again. You don't know shit about "fallen angels" do you? If only you knew. They were never angels.Period.

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