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Anonymous Coward User ID: 42134372 United States 09/13/2013 01:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You need to look deeply into what Jesus was saying. Jesus clearly did not intend for his disciples to have hatred and disdain – or even indifference – towards the people closest to them. In no way was Jesus contradicting the fifth commandment, “Honor your father and mother.” Rather, he was underscoring the oft-forgotten first of the Ten Commandments establishing the preeminence of God. Jesus’ command to “love your neighbor” encompasses the call to familial responsibility and to be a faithful son/daughter, husband/wife, father/mother, brother/sister. To hate one’s father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters means to love Christ so much that all other human relationships pale in comparison. It is an issue of a properly ordered set of priorities, placing God as first above everything (and everyone) else – so that when situations arise where there needs to be a choice between doing what God wants and doing what my family wants, there is no question that I will obey and honor God. It might look like I am hating my family, but I would rather do that than appear like I am hating the God who has created me and has saved me. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 39383696 United States 09/13/2013 01:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You need to look deeply into what Jesus was saying. Quoting: MrResearch Jesus clearly did not intend for his disciples to have hatred and disdain – or even indifference – towards the people closest to them. In no way was Jesus contradicting the fifth commandment, “Honor your father and mother.” Rather, he was underscoring the oft-forgotten first of the Ten Commandments establishing the preeminence of God. Jesus’ command to “love your neighbor” encompasses the call to familial responsibility and to be a faithful son/daughter, husband/wife, father/mother, brother/sister. To hate one’s father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters means to love Christ so much that all other human relationships pale in comparison. It is an issue of a properly ordered set of priorities, placing God as first above everything (and everyone) else – so that when situations arise where there needs to be a choice between doing what God wants and doing what my family wants, there is no question that I will obey and honor God. It might look like I am hating my family, but I would rather do that than appear like I am hating the God who has created me and has saved me. You don't take it literally, I get it. Do any Christians take Luke 14:26 literally? |
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***** User ID: 46702492 United States 09/13/2013 01:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Does any Christian not change the word hate below to "love less"? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39383696 Please point out the Christian who believes that hate means hate in Luke 14:26. Now great crowds accompanied him, and he turned and said to them, “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple. Whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me cannot be my disciple." (Luke 14:25-27 ESV) You have to know hate to find love. Nice one Jesus! |
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***** User ID: 46702492 United States 09/13/2013 01:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You need to look deeply into what Jesus was saying. Quoting: MrResearch Jesus clearly did not intend for his disciples to have hatred and disdain – or even indifference – towards the people closest to them. In no way was Jesus contradicting the fifth commandment, “Honor your father and mother.” Rather, he was underscoring the oft-forgotten first of the Ten Commandments establishing the preeminence of God. Jesus’ command to “love your neighbor” encompasses the call to familial responsibility and to be a faithful son/daughter, husband/wife, father/mother, brother/sister. To hate one’s father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters means to love Christ so much that all other human relationships pale in comparison. It is an issue of a properly ordered set of priorities, placing God as first above everything (and everyone) else – so that when situations arise where there needs to be a choice between doing what God wants and doing what my family wants, there is no question that I will obey and honor God. It might look like I am hating my family, but I would rather do that than appear like I am hating the God who has created me and has saved me. Excellent! I could not have stated it any better. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 39383696 United States 09/13/2013 01:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Does any Christian not change the word hate below to "love less"? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39383696 Please point out the Christian who believes that hate means hate in Luke 14:26. Now great crowds accompanied him, and he turned and said to them, “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple. Whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me cannot be my disciple." (Luke 14:25-27 ESV) You have to know hate to find love. Nice one Jesus! Do any Christians take Luke 14:26 literally? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 42134372 United States 09/13/2013 01:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You need to look deeply into what Jesus was saying. Quoting: MrResearch Jesus clearly did not intend for his disciples to have hatred and disdain – or even indifference – towards the people closest to them. In no way was Jesus contradicting the fifth commandment, “Honor your father and mother.” Rather, he was underscoring the oft-forgotten first of the Ten Commandments establishing the preeminence of God. Jesus’ command to “love your neighbor” encompasses the call to familial responsibility and to be a faithful son/daughter, husband/wife, father/mother, brother/sister. To hate one’s father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters means to love Christ so much that all other human relationships pale in comparison. It is an issue of a properly ordered set of priorities, placing God as first above everything (and everyone) else – so that when situations arise where there needs to be a choice between doing what God wants and doing what my family wants, there is no question that I will obey and honor God. It might look like I am hating my family, but I would rather do that than appear like I am hating the God who has created me and has saved me. You don't take it literally, I get it. Do any Christians take Luke 14:26 literally? I do take it very literally, but it is discovering the message that makes it literal, Only Christians can do that, God says "My Ways Are NOT your ways, Neither are My Thoughts your thoughts". When you know Jesus and He knows you, he speaks to you through his Word. It is something I can not explain but I experience it everyday, it is amazing. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27420908 United States 09/13/2013 01:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You need to look deeply into what Jesus was saying. Quoting: MrResearch Jesus clearly did not intend for his disciples to have hatred and disdain – or even indifference – towards the people closest to them. In no way was Jesus contradicting the fifth commandment, “Honor your father and mother.” Rather, he was underscoring the oft-forgotten first of the Ten Commandments establishing the preeminence of God. Jesus’ command to “love your neighbor” encompasses the call to familial responsibility and to be a faithful son/daughter, husband/wife, father/mother, brother/sister. To hate one’s father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters means to love Christ so much that all other human relationships pale in comparison. It is an issue of a properly ordered set of priorities, placing God as first above everything (and everyone) else – so that when situations arise where there needs to be a choice between doing what God wants and doing what my family wants, there is no question that I will obey and honor God. It might look like I am hating my family, but I would rather do that than appear like I am hating the God who has created me and has saved me. Great explanation! |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 39383696 United States 09/13/2013 02:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You need to look deeply into what Jesus was saying. Quoting: MrResearch Jesus clearly did not intend for his disciples to have hatred and disdain – or even indifference – towards the people closest to them. In no way was Jesus contradicting the fifth commandment, “Honor your father and mother.” Rather, he was underscoring the oft-forgotten first of the Ten Commandments establishing the preeminence of God. Jesus’ command to “love your neighbor” encompasses the call to familial responsibility and to be a faithful son/daughter, husband/wife, father/mother, brother/sister. To hate one’s father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters means to love Christ so much that all other human relationships pale in comparison. It is an issue of a properly ordered set of priorities, placing God as first above everything (and everyone) else – so that when situations arise where there needs to be a choice between doing what God wants and doing what my family wants, there is no question that I will obey and honor God. It might look like I am hating my family, but I would rather do that than appear like I am hating the God who has created me and has saved me. You don't take it literally, I get it. Do any Christians take Luke 14:26 literally? I do take it very literally, but it is discovering the message that makes it literal, Only Christians can do that, God says "My Ways Are NOT your ways, Neither are My Thoughts your thoughts". When you know Jesus and He knows you, he speaks to you through his Word. It is something I can not explain but I experience it everyday, it is amazing. When you write: Jesus clearly did not intend for his disciples to have hatred You're admitting that you don't take the verse literally. Do you know what it means to take something literally? |
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User ID: 39685812 United States 09/13/2013 02:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They have to take it literally. James 1:22 says something about not just reading what the bible say's but doing what it say's otherwise they are a bunch of fakers. When you find a piece of shit along side the road and you poke it with a stick, what do you expect to find inside of it, gold? No, it's just going to stink more. |
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User ID: 7273592 Belgium 09/13/2013 02:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just give me a yes or a no and I'll leave the thread: Do any Christians take Luke 14:26 literally? some do and some don't. (read my signature) Last Edited by Desertportal on 09/13/2013 02:19 PM |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 39383696 United States 09/13/2013 02:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just give me a yes or a no and I'll leave the thread: Do any Christians take Luke 14:26 literally? some do and some don't. (read my signature) That's not specific enough. I might not have made it clear in my question. Which denomination of Christianity does? |
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User ID: 7273592 Belgium 09/13/2013 02:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just give me a yes or a no and I'll leave the thread: Do any Christians take Luke 14:26 literally? some do and some don't. (read my signature) That's not specific enough. I might not have made it clear in my question. Which denomination of Christianity does? Dude, live according to God. You don't have to take what's in the bible on yourself, if it was instructed to someone else. Take only instruction from God. That's the way. There's a large probabilty you: 1. Try to get a point across which won't take you any further. |
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User ID: 7273592 Belgium 09/13/2013 02:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If Jesus was "God" then we're supposed to follow Luke 14:26 but I've never seen a Christian who actually took the verse literally. Have you? That passage deals about the moment Jesus encountered the crowd (or otherwise) and that was what Jesus told the crowd at that moment. If Jesus, later, encountered another crowd, he might say something else. It was that moment Jesus spoke of. [You, at the moment, are not with Jesus (the word in the flesh) and he is not saying this to you] Yet, you are allowed to hate your family. There can be reason for that. For example: |
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User ID: 15977994 United States 09/13/2013 02:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't because its a mistranslation ..... Quoting: Simple_Man In the original launguage it means to love less Prove it. You can't do it using the Strong's Concordance so what will you use? "The story of Jacob, Rachel, and Leah perfectly illustrates the biblical use of this term “hate” in its meaning of “to love less.” To briefly summarize the story, Jacob loved Rachel, and agreed to work for her father Laban for seven years in order to marry her. At the end of the seven years, Laban tricked Jacob, and gave Leah to him as a wife. When Jacob discovered the deception, he was given Rachel as a wife, but was forced to work another seven years for her. In Genesis 29:30, the Bible says that “Jacob also went in to Rachel, and he also loved Rachel more than Leah.” Yet, in the next verse the Bible says, “And when the Lord saw that Leah was hated, He opened her womb” (29:31, KJV). Jacob did not despise, detest, and treat Leah like an enemy, as in the modern use of the word “hate.” Instead, he simply loved Rachel more than he loved Leah" |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 8852788 Canada 09/13/2013 02:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | hate [heyt] Show IPA verb, hat·ed, hat·ing, noun verb (used with object) 1. to dislike intensely or passionately; feel extreme aversion for or extreme hostility toward; detest: to hate the enemy; to hate bigotry. 2. to be unwilling; dislike: I hate to do it. verb (used without object) 3. to feel intense dislike, or extreme aversion or hostility. noun 4. intense dislike; extreme aversion or hostility. 5. the object of extreme aversion or hostility. You see, if anyone I know is against God's Word, it would show in the way they live their lives. I would have disdain or dislike towards them. |