Senator Harry Reid Explains Why Paying US Income Tax Is Voluntary

I hope you dummies understood that. He couldn't have made it any simpler.

I get it, you have to understand what their definition of voluntary is.

btw one sure way of not having to pay tax.. is to voluntarily not use money.

Hunh?

you can voluntarily go to jail if you voluntarily don't pay your taxes...

This! Build your own stuff from junk, and use it till it breaks. Grow your own food and eat it. Shun the system.

The Senator was saying that "voluntary" means that you, the tax payer, are responsible for filing your taxes and paying them....as opposed to other countries where the government holds the employer solely responsible for withholding the taxes....

That was my understanding of what he was saying, anyway.

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Hello?

"senator" Harry Reid NEEDS TO BE RECALLED, since he is obviously incompetent to even pass a driver's test. The guy can't understand the dictionary definition of "voluntary" and insists on a mealy mouthed defense of a ridiculous concept - the concept that because you are forced to fill out a tax return, it's voluntary!

What a crock. With idiots like this, who needs "government"?

It's not about being reasonable and using intelligence...it's about using words that keep people controlled, imho...

Seen this clip before my only question is how do these
weasely, forked tongue SOB,s keep getting elected?

(s)elected

Did you actually believe that this criminal dog and pony show is really on the up and up?

Harry is inciting terrorism. Where are you Homeland Security?

Because they accept campaign money which is legal

Filthy Harry is as evil as they come.

How come? He's not corruptible hear how honest he speaks in the video.

Does Harry pay income taxes? Rumor has it he's hides his loot offshore.

Harry loves April 15th

Nobody is forced to endorse Federal Reserve private money! You do have a choice to use money issued tax free from the Treasury department and not pay income tax on it.

12 USC 411

Thank you. I was hoping someone here understood.

Thank you! The question is NOT "is income tax voluntary" the question is "how EXACTLY does one volunteer to pay income tax?"

Our signature endorsements are ALL voluntary! And ever single one obligates us to perform or acts to protect us from performance.

reid is either dumber than dirt or he thinks we are

Yes people these are the kind of morons we have elected to run our country.

With this kind of double speak is it any wounder why this country is going to hell.

Crap like this is why we are hated by most countries too, how can you like or trust anyone who is so far out of touch with reality that they can say stuff like this and believe it makes prefect sense.

Say What? Please explain for those who do not understand

Let's tell it very simply (as it was explained to me):

FRN = Federal Reserve Note

We VOLUNTARILY use FRNs rather than "lawful money." Our direct deposits are in FRNs (sneaky...now regulations require that we no longer get a Social Security check in the mail...it's gotta be direct deposit). Our digi-dollars are in FRNs. Our EBT cards are based on FRNs. The commonly used scrip is the FRN...but that's because it's easier. It's everywhere. Everyone's got them. I've got a sock full of them today.

We need to recognize that the law allows us to exchange the FRNs for "lawful money." We just have to take our FRNs to a member bank, or the Federal Reserve, etc., and exchange the FRNs for "lawful money." In the past, lawful money included gold or silver coins from the US Mint, a legally limited number of greenback dollars, etc. The FED is absolutely required to exchange the FRN for lawful money...but the onus is on we little people to make the effort to physically appear at the appropriate locations to make the exchange.

Who has time for that? Oh, I don't have time? Okay, then I voluntarily keep my FRNs. I have to what? Pay taxes for using the FRN as my medium of exchange? Day-um! Well, I guess so. Yes, I guess I did volunteer. Geez, this sucks.

So yes, we "voluntarily" pay our taxes because we "voluntarily" accept their printed FIAT money instead of the real "lawful money" and we have to pay rent (tribute) for that distinct voluntary pleasure.

By the way, there's a very finite amount of "lawful money" allowed out in the real world. I can't recall how much it is, but the amount is regulated by law. If too many people go to the Federal Bank and demand an exchange of LAWFUL MONEY for Federal Reserve Notes, the system could be crashed. That's the theory, anyway.

12 USC § 411 - Issuance to reserve banks; nature of obligation; redemption
Federal reserve notes, to be issued at the discretion of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System for the purpose of making advances to Federal reserve banks through the Federal reserve agents as hereinafter set forth and for no other purpose, are authorized. The said notes shall be obligations of the United States and shall be receivable by all national and member banks and Federal reserve banks and for all taxes, customs, and other public dues. They shall be redeemed in lawful money on demand at the Treasury Department of the United States, in the city of Washington, District of Columbia, or at any Federal Reserve bank.

"Lawful money" is a term used in the Federal Reserve Act, the act that authorizes the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System to issue Federal Reserve notes. The Act states that Federal Reserve notes "shall be obligations of the United States and shall be receivable by all national and member banks and Federal reserve banks and for all taxes, customs, and other public dues. They shall be redeemed in lawful money on demand at the Treasury Department of the United States, in the city of Washington, District of Columbia, or at any Federal Reserve bank." The Act did not, however, define the term "lawful money," but up until 1913, the only currency issued by the United States that was legally recognized as "lawful money" was various issues of "demand notes" (subsequently known as "old demand notes") and "United States notes" authorized by Congress during the Civil War.

At the time, some currency was not considered legal tender, although it could be used by national banking associations as "lawful money reserves." Thus, the term "lawful money" had a broader meaning than the term "legal tender."

In 1933, Congress changed the law so that all U.S. coins and currency (including Federal Reserve notes), regardless of when issued, constitutes "legal tender" for all purposes. Federal and state courts since then have repeatedly held that Federal Reserve notes are also "lawful money." Milam v. U.S., 524 F.2d 629 (9th Cir. 1974), is typical of the federal and state court cases holding that Federal Reserve notes are "lawful money." In Milam, the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit reviewed a judgment denying relief to an individual who sought to redeem a $50 Federal Reserve Bank Note in "lawful money." The United States tendered Milam $50 in Federal Reserve notes, but Milam refused the notes, asserting that "lawful money" must be gold or silver. The Ninth Circuit, noting that this matter had been put to rest by the U.S. Supreme Court nearly a century before in the Legal Tender Cases (Juilliard v. Greenman), 110 U.S. 421 (1884), rejected this assertion as frivolous and affirmed the judgment.

$5000.00 fine for using this frivolous remedy

WRONG!!!

All of you select this one law and try to use it against the IRS. If your going to accept that 1 law is valid then you accept that the others are just a valid.

Oh hey look at this law
26 USC § 61 - Gross income defined

Except as otherwise provided in this subtitle, gross income means all income from whatever source derived

Do you know what that means? The IRS is pretty thorough in explaining. It means ANYTHING that has value, you have to pay taxes on. So if you literally got paid peanuts all year long it would be your responsibility to convert some of those peanuts to legal tender and pay income tax.

It's all there, just like your FRN law. I hate it as much as you do, but the system is set up well.

Why do you hate the system? It says we are slaves and we should be happy that we can voluntarily sign those tax forms.