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BREAKING: Assad Prevails Over Rebels And Retaliates Against Turkey via PKK Fighters! Kurds Not Joining The Uprising! Kurd Loyalty Restored

 
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Does anyone here at GLP actually understand the alawites? Assad is one and Syria is controlled by them, they believe that by killing a sunni they actually get closer to allah, so i cant imagine what they will do when they infiltrate their opposition and find their families and controllers, and discover they are infidels(actually i suspect they already know that) so really nato and the EU and Turkey have opened a can of whup arse worms that are going to crawl all the way to the stink which apparently starts in the head(for fish, i think its because of the eyes and other soft tissue there, so must apply to other species to some degree, but i digress). This means that actually the alwaites are in the same league as the Russian and Bulgarian mafias, maybe even worse(they kill everyone associated with you, but the alwaites will kill everyone living near you, after they have killed your family, then you, this is quite serious, and its the truth.
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NOT true. I am christian and my parents are from syria. So far, the Alavites are one of the best branches of Islam. They are open minded, very modern and DO NOT strictly follow the teachings of the Koran. Actually, the sunni believe if you kill an infidel, an the Alevites are infidels in the eyes of the sunni, you will get closer to God.
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I agree that Alewites are generally more peacefull people.
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I would also like to point out that it was Boris Yeltsin who was the President of Russia at the time of the incident, the very man who ordered the destruction of Chechnya. I wouldn't be surprised if he would have sent a fleet or two to the Naval Bases in Syria and deployed a few Missile Batteries on the Bosphorus.
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wow , you lost me here. No offense but these are very naive interpretations. If only if it was so easy. Turkey, let alone Nato, not Chechnya.


By the way, Turkey had actually released several diplomatic notes and signed military agreements with Israel, just in case a regional war erupts. This is clear proof of inability of Turkey influence the Syrians into handing over Ocalan. There wasn't a large number of military units on the borders. There was an adequate number of military units, but not as large as some may claim. Turkish Military Command only received the order to develop military operational plans, expecting a worst-case scenario. There weren't enough troops to actually carry out any of those operations. If the Syrians hadn't pointed their Scuds at Turkish Dams, then why do you think they didn't move their military to the common borders with Turkey?
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So what would happen next if Hafez Assad would fire the scuds into Turkey ? You guys crack me up. Well i am not war monger nor a strong nationalist but you underestimate the military power of Turkey.


Anyways, you should know that Syria did not directly hand him to Turkey. The Syrians forced him to leave the country, after which he went to Russia (Interestingly, Russia did not grant him sanctuary) and numerous other countries as well. He was captured by Turkish Intelligence in an illegal operation under International Laws after he was being transported from the Greek Embassy to the International Airport of Kenya. The Greek Consul that Olacan's life was in danger after the operation.
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That was my point to. Btw. CIA packaged the guy and delivered to Turkish Intelligence.


You know, when i said "please elaborate if you know any details" i meant some proofs&facts , at least some legit sources. And i was eager to listen. But by my standards of critical thinking, i can tell you that i am far from being satisfied and i would come up with 10 alternative conspiracies like your post above.
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NATO wouldn't intervene to help Turkey if Russia stepped in. After all, any military action by Russia would be in defense of Syria. Iran would also be ready on the border. NATO would seriously not intervene, because at that time there was some serious Western military hardware and tens of thousands of western troops in the Middle East (Iraq No-Fly Zones, Iraq Bombings, etc.). The last thing that Uncle Sam would want is to spark a war in the M.E that would destabilize the entire M.E and probably leave much of the West's forces stranded in the M.E without any means of transportation. So, NATO would agree not to intervene based on Article 5, and Turkey would not go into War alone against 3 several nations.


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So what would happen next if Hafez Assad would fire the scuds into Turkey ? You guys crack me up. Well i am not war monger nor a strong nationalist but you underestimate the military power of Turkey."

No, I don't. I actually admire Turkey and it's current position in the world. If only it had more efficient leaders.

If the scuds were fired into Turkey, (Particularly Turkish Dams) it would cause a mass flood that would fill and block the supply routes of the Turkish Military stationed on the borders, let alone the possibility that the floods may reach the border and wipe the Turkish forces out. And since the Syrian landscape at the border is either hilly areas or scorching deserts, it wouldn't affect Syria.


"You know, when i said "please elaborate if you know any details" i meant some proofs&facts , at least some legit sources. And i was eager to listen. But by my standards of critical thinking, i can tell you that i am far from being satisfied and i would come up with 10 alternative conspiracies like your post above."

The reason I didn't post any sources for most of my claims is because I easily found them via searching the Net for a few moments.


The Conspiracy part is an allegedly 'leaked' piece of information by a Syrian/Lebanese Political Analyst.
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Assad could threaten Turkey with Scuds but it was a limited threat. These 'high quality' missiles (not) might hit the dams or not - after that, Assad's ass would be dead, dead, because he would have little else and A Really Angry Turkey At The Border with huge armor divisions, air craft and NATO approving. Total Suicide.

The Turks allowed him a face saving gesture. The Mossad/Debka stuff is still nonsense. He can irritate Turkey but no more than that. Too Dangerous.

Alawites are about 12% of Syria. Anytime you read crazy-ass, propaganda/nonsense about Syria on websites, Remember That One Fact: 12% - that's it. They're not gonna make it. Assad's not gonna make it.

Does any Conspiracy Buff or Israel hater realize how much it sucks to be an Arab? How Israel has more techs and scientists than the whole Arab world, combined? That every stupid " Arab Revolution" is just replacing One Group of Murderous Thieves with another?

The idiot Arab/ Muslim world already has a proper mentor/example: His name was 'Ataturk' (Turkish). He pulled Turkey into the modern secular world and would kill anyone who tried to stop progress. I don't blame them for nearly worshiping him. He Got It Done, no BS, no excuses.

The new Egyptian Parliament voted Unanimously that Israel is their greatest enemy. REALLY? You mean corruption or poverty or disease or lack of opportunity or unemployment aren't greater ENEMIES ? Are you f**king kidding me?



And that, Folks, is why the Arab world is as screwed up as it is. Tell me how this insanity will ever change.
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Assad could threaten Turkey with Scuds but it was a limited threat. These 'high quality' missiles (not) might hit the dams or not - after that, Assad's ass would be dead, dead, because he would have little else and A Really Angry Turkey At The Border with huge armor divisions, air craft and NATO approving. Total Suicide.

The Turks allowed him a face saving gesture. The Mossad/Debka stuff is still nonsense. He can irritate Turkey but no more than that. Too Dangerous.

Alawites are about 12% of Syria. Anytime you read crazy-ass, propaganda/nonsense about Syria on websites, Remember That One Fact: 12% - that's it. They're not gonna make it. Assad's not gonna make it.

Does any Conspiracy Buff or Israel hater realize how much it sucks to be an Arab? How Israel has more techs and scientists than the whole Arab world, combined? That every stupid " Arab Revolution" is just replacing One Group of Murderous Thieves with another?

The idiot Arab/ Muslim world already has a proper mentor/example: His name was 'Ataturk' (Turkish). He pulled Turkey into the modern secular world and would kill anyone who tried to stop progress. I don't blame them for nearly worshiping him. He Got It Done, no BS, no excuses.

The new Egyptian Parliament voted Unanimously that Israel is their greatest enemy. REALLY? You mean corruption or poverty or disease or lack of opportunity or unemployment aren't greater ENEMIES ? Are you f**king kidding me?



And that, Folks, is why the Arab world is as screwed up as it is. Tell me how this insanity will ever change.
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My friend, you should consider who fired the first shot. Syria would not do this in a random attack, it would do this as self-defense.


"These 'high quality' missiles "

Which Israeli Patriots failed to intercept over Jerusalem.

"might hit the dams or not"

I don't think it would be bloody hard to hit 8 Dams. Seriously.

"Alawites are about 12% of Syria.Alawites are about 12% of Syria."

A grave mistake that many people living in the West (A thing I used to believe back in Cardiff) is that Syria is entirely shaped by it's ethnic diversity. That is wrong. There are many people from different ethnic origins who support Assad. Argument is baseless.
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Uh, no.... argument is based on the typical fallout of a authoritarian regime as regards its murderous minorities and their actions after central authority falls apart.

So, Assad has support from more than 12%? You're absolutely correct - AT THIS PASSING MOMENT ! That's the problem ! It goes all tribal Real Quickly !
The Sunnis are going to win - and probably slaughter everyone else.

Assad was faced with Israel on one side and Turkey on the other. Threaten one and what happens to the other? The Israelis flat out warned him about driving their armor to Damascus in the last war. He quietly backed off, as he did with the Turks (despite his crappy Scuds - which, as weapons, the Patriot missiles missed because many of them fell apart in midair, as fired by Iraq - and lacked accuracy even apart from that).

The Israelis can be happy about one thing: the Arab world is decaying into factional/tribal divisions (such as Iraq). Smaller pieces to worry about. Think Yugoslavia.
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yeh, remember the defence minister who was assassinated a week ago by FSA rebel scum, he was a christian man

lets see how many christians will be in the government when the FSA terrorists take over
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Uh, no.... argument is based on the typical fallout of a authoritarian regime as regards its murderous minorities and their actions after central authority falls apart.

So, Assad has support from more than 12%? You're absolutely correct - AT THIS PASSING MOMENT ! That's the problem ! It goes all tribal Real Quickly !
The Sunnis are going to win - and probably slaughter everyone else.

Assad was faced with Israel on one side and Turkey on the other. Threaten one and what happens to the other? The Israelis flat out warned him about driving their armor to Damascus in the last war. He quietly backed off, as he did with the Turks (despite his crappy Scuds - which, as weapons, the Patriot missiles missed because many of them fell apart in midair, as fired by Iraq - and lacked accuracy even apart from that).

The Israelis can be happy about one thing: the Arab world is decaying into factional/tribal divisions (such as Iraq). Smaller pieces to worry about. Think Yugoslavia.
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you are a dumbass sub-human piece of grass

its not even sunni alawaite war

if it was, then the sunnites would have won this last year

in reality, most syrians support assad. maybe 70% of them, while the other 20% dont care, and 10% are just stupid ass motherfuckers like yourself who want to suck some zionist sausage
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Does anyone here at GLP actually understand the alawites? Assad is one and Syria is controlled by them, they believe that by killing a sunni they actually get closer to allah, so i cant imagine what they will do when they infiltrate their opposition and find their families and controllers, and discover they are infidels(actually i suspect they already know that) so really nato and the EU and Turkey have opened a can of whup arse worms that are going to crawl all the way to the stink which apparently starts in the head(for fish, i think its because of the eyes and other soft tissue there, so must apply to other species to some degree, but i digress). This means that actually the alwaites are in the same league as the Russian and Bulgarian mafias, maybe even worse(they kill everyone associated with you, but the alwaites will kill everyone living near you, after they have killed your family, then you, this is quite serious, and its the truth.
 Quoting: FHL(C)


NOT true. I am christian and my parents are from syria. The Alevites are one of the best branches of Islam. The are open minded and very modern. They do NOT follow strictly the teachings of the Koran. The sunni believe, by killing an infidel (christian, Alevite etc.) you get closer to God.
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Well lets say, you say, i say. This i will say, yes it has been better for Christians with Assad in power, but no my brother, you are wrong about how the alawites operate, they will do whatever needs to be done when it comes fixing problems. Yes of course the sunnis will try and slaughter them, aren't they already trying to do so with the wests blessing and guidance.
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Uh, no.... argument is based on the typical fallout of a authoritarian regime as regards its murderous minorities and their actions after central authority falls apart.

So, Assad has support from more than 12%? You're absolutely correct - AT THIS PASSING MOMENT ! That's the problem ! It goes all tribal Real Quickly !
The Sunnis are going to win - and probably slaughter everyone else.

Assad was faced with Israel on one side and Turkey on the other. Threaten one and what happens to the other? The Israelis flat out warned him about driving their armor to Damascus in the last war. He quietly backed off, as he did with the Turks (despite his crappy Scuds - which, as weapons, the Patriot missiles missed because many of them fell apart in midair, as fired by Iraq - and lacked accuracy even apart from that).

The Israelis can be happy about one thing: the Arab world is decaying into factional/tribal divisions (such as Iraq). Smaller pieces to worry about. Think Yugoslavia.
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you are a dumbass sub-human piece of grass

its not even sunni alawaite war

if it was, then the sunnites would have won this last year

in reality, most syrians support assad. maybe 70% of them, while the other 20% dont care, and 10% are just stupid ass motherfuckers like yourself who want to suck some zionist sausage
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Wow, you seem to have some sort of hatefilled obsession with performing oral sex on Israelis.

Good Luck with that desire you can't get out of your head.
The rest of us will try to post rationally.

Syria is inherently unstable and is overdue for collapse. The Shia/Sunni divide will not spare Syria.
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Wow, you seem to have some sort of hatefilled obsession with performing oral sex on Israelis.

Good Luck with that desire you can't get out of your head.
The rest of us will try to post rationally.

Syria is inherently unstable and is overdue for collapse. The Shia/Sunni divide will not spare Syria.
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Radical salafists make up a minority of the population, and a majority of the opposition. Their push towards a Saudi puppet state just hit a major wall.

The last few weeks have been devastating for the opposition, some estimates coming out of Damascus and Alleppo is 1500+ rebels killed just last week during their "final assault". This just made the bay of pigs look like a star studded success.
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Embedded Syrian journalist with the Syrian Army in Mezzeh Damascus.



Bodies and photo ID's of foreign terrorists liquidated by Syrian Security Forces. (Graphic)





Since the Syrian press is currently being censored in the land of the free. Here's a working link to SANA english. >>> [link to 208.43.232.81]
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Wow, you seem to have some sort of hatefilled obsession with performing oral sex on Israelis.

Good Luck with that desire you can't get out of your head.
The rest of us will try to post rationally.

Syria is inherently unstable and is overdue for collapse. The Shia/Sunni divide will not spare Syria.
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Please, don't take examples from other Arab countries and put it in Syria. Syria is very different, I was surprised so myself when I visited it. The people are friendly, and there is a very little divide between different religious groups. Now, you may believe what you wish, but if you go to Syria (Like many other people have, particularly in this time of crisis) you will see something contrary to what is spoon-fed to us in the MSM.
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congratulations Mr. president hf





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