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AMERICA MYSTERY BABYLON DISCUSSION

 
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Mystery Babylon Mother of Harlots is Your Roman Whore Church.

That Great City is a SYMBOL, just as the harlot and beast are a symbols.

That great city is symbolic of the Roman Church's EMPIRE, also called her FLESH. (see: Rev 18 e.g. they shall eat her flesh and burn her with fire-revolution and the great city falls)

All happened in 1870 with the end of the Papal States-HRE.

Done and fulfilled.

Since that time Rome's NWO - the 8th head Rev 17 rules.

Papal States-HRE = 7th head

Rome's NWO = 8th head

We can even identify in the Bible the French Revolution when the 8th head NWO took over. This is the 1260 days (prophetic time is a symbol day = year) Rev 11 & 13 when the beast arises after this 1260 year period ('holy' Rome's dark ages).
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

After the French Revolution the Illuminati-NWO then caused revolution stripping Holy Rome of the Papal States and ultimately dissolving them in 1870 no longer needed. She now rules by secular republics.
 Quoting: Col 6435444


Ac sorry for one thing she is considered the hindermost of the nations and that her mother is sore confounded. America is the youngest nation left on earth and does have a mother nation britan Jeremiah 50:12

Mystery Babylon is totally destroyed.

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The problem is that you are using the old testament Babylon to try to describe 'Mystery Babylon' of Revelation.

They are two different things.
 Quoting: _2 swords_


2 swords, there are prophecies that are in the old testament for example in Jeremiah that was not fullfilled by ancient babylon in Iraq.

Jeremiah 50:12 "Your mother shall be sore cofounded; she that bare you shall be ashamed..."

Ancient Babylon had no mother, only a father and founder. Nimrod which means, "we will revolt." America's mother is the United Kingdom/britain and she will be confounded at America's destruction."

Jeremiah 50:12 "... behold the hindermost of the nations shall be wilderness, a dry land, and a desert."

America is the hindermost (meaning last) of the nations. Ancient babylon was surely not the last empire. My two cents worth.

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....Ezekiel 32....Well holy guacomole...What have we here...? A whole lotta' nations that are mentioned in the "Magog" lineup...Any connection...? me thinks YES. Got this years ago...when I was "hungerin' & a thirstin" after the word...not sure I got it all, but here we go...ura after the first dozen or so reads(U know how the Lord only quickens scripture when HE'S ready for U to have it)...I supposed this scripture was a prelude to Ezk.38(Magog)....how mistaken I was...this chapter isn't a forerunner...but the "AFTERMATH" of the battle of Magog...We read...Ezk.32:17 "It came to pass also in the twelfth year,[2012...naah it can't be damned]in the fifteenth day of the month, that the word of the Lord came unto me saying, V.18 "Son of man,wail for the multitude of Egypt, and cast them down, even her, and the daughters of the famous nations, unto the nether parts of the earth, with them that go down to the pit."(see "the Burden of Egypt Is.19) V.19 "Whom dost thou pass in beauty? Go down, and be thou laid with the uncicumcised".(unsaved) V.20 "They shall fall in the midst of them that are slain by the sword:she is delivered to the sword: draw her and all her multitudes".(hooks in da mouth) V.21 "The strong among the mighty shall speak to him out of the midst of hell with them that help him:(GOG) They are gone down, they lie uncircumcised,slain by the sword."(slain by who's sword...?)V.22 "Asshur is there and all her company:his graves are about him: all of them slain, fallen by the sword." V.23 "Whose graves are set in the sides of the pit, and her company is roun about her grave: all of them slain, fallen by the sword, which caused terror in the land of the living." V.24 "There is Elam(Iran)and all her multitude round about her grave, all of them slain, fallen by the sword(who's sword ?), which are gone down uncircumcised into the nether parts of the earth, which caused their terror in the land of the living; yet have they borne their shame with them that go down to the pit." V.25 "They have set her a bed in the midst of the slain with all her multitude: her graves are round about him: all of them uncicumcised, slain by the sword:though their terror was caused in the land of the living(sounds like the Lord is callin' all these bitches(her,her,her) TERRORISTS)...? , yet have they borne their shame with them that go down to the pit: he is put in the midst of them that be slain."(Elam/Iran) V.26 " There is Meshech, Tubal, and all her multitude: her graves are round about him: all of them uncicuncised(unsaved), slain by the sword, though they caused their terror in in the land of the living".....WOW....O.K. WRAP UR HEADS AROUND THIS SCRIPTURE & tell me what they all have in common.....? They caused terror in the land of the living...and they're all very DEAD IN THEIR PITS(GRAVES)...SLAIN BY THE SWORD....WHO'S SWORD....? LATER....rockon
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....Ezekiel 32....Well holy guacomole...What have we here...? A whole lotta' nations that are mentioned in the "Magog" lineup...Any connection...? me thinks YES. Got this years ago...when I was "hungerin' & a thirstin" after the word...not sure I got it all, but here we go...ura after the first dozen or so reads(U know how the Lord only quickens scripture when HE'S ready for U to have it)...I supposed this scripture was a prelude to Ezk.38(Magog)....how mistaken I was...this chapter isn't a forerunner...but the "AFTERMATH" of the battle of Magog...We read...Ezk.32:17 "It came to pass also in the twelfth year,[2012...naah it can't be damned]in the fifteenth day of the month, that the word of the Lord came unto me saying, V.18 "Son of man,wail for the multitude of Egypt, and cast them down, even her, and the daughters of the famous nations, unto the nether parts of the earth, with them that go down to the pit."(see "the Burden of Egypt Is.19) V.19 "Whom dost thou pass in beauty? Go down, and be thou laid with the uncicumcised".(unsaved) V.20 "They shall fall in the midst of them that are slain by the sword:she is delivered to the sword: draw her and all her multitudes".(hooks in da mouth) V.21 "The strong among the mighty shall speak to him out of the midst of hell with them that help him:(GOG) They are gone down, they lie uncircumcised,slain by the sword."(slain by who's sword...?)V.22 "Asshur is there and all her company:his graves are about him: all of them slain, fallen by the sword." V.23 "Whose graves are set in the sides of the pit, and her company is roun about her grave: all of them slain, fallen by the sword, which caused terror in the land of the living." V.24 "There is Elam(Iran)and all her multitude round about her grave, all of them slain, fallen by the sword(who's sword ?), which are gone down uncircumcised into the nether parts of the earth, which caused their terror in the land of the living; yet have they borne their shame with them that go down to the pit." V.25 "They have set her a bed in the midst of the slain with all her multitude: her graves are round about him: all of them uncicumcised, slain by the sword:though their terror was caused in the land of the living(sounds like the Lord is callin' all these bitches(her,her,her) TERRORISTS)...? , yet have they borne their shame with them that go down to the pit: he is put in the midst of them that be slain."(Elam/Iran) V.26 " There is Meshech, Tubal, and all her multitude: her graves are round about him: all of them uncicuncised(unsaved), slain by the sword, though they caused their terror in in the land of the living".....WOW....O.K. WRAP UR HEADS AROUND THIS SCRIPTURE & tell me what they all have in common.....? They caused terror in the land of the living...and they're all very DEAD IN THEIR PITS(GRAVES)...SLAIN BY THE SWORD....WHO'S SWORD....? LATER....rockon
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I just did a quick word search and cross reference here is what I found

For thus saith the Lord GOD; The sword of the king of Babylon shall come upon thee.
The sword Eze 28:7 30:11 31:11 De 28:49,50 Hab 1:6,7
they shall Eze 29:19 Isa 25:2,3

I am going to bring foreigners against you, the most ruthless of nations; they will draw their swords against your beauty and wisdom and pierce your shining splendor Eze 28:7
'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: "'I will put an end to the hordes of Egypt by the hand of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon. Ezekiel 30:10 He and his army--the most ruthless of nations--will be brought in to destroy the land. They will draw their swords against Egypt and fill the land with the slain. Ezekiel 30:11

Therefore this is what the Sovereign LORD says: I am going to give Egypt to Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, and he will carry off its wealth. He will loot and plunder the land as pay for his army. Ezekiel 29:19


[link to concordances.org]


also reference to habakuk 1. talks about raising up the babylonians.


habakuk chapter 2
1I will stand at my guard post.
I will station myself on the wall.
I will watch to see what he will say to me
and what answer I will get to my complaint.
The Lord’s Answer
2Then the Lord answered me,
“Write the vision.
Make it clear on tablets
so that anyone can read it quickly.
3The vision will still happen at the appointed time.
It hurries toward its goal.
It won’t be a lie.
If it’s delayed, wait for it.
It will certainly happen.
It won’t be late.
4“Look at the proud person. He is not right in himself.
But the righteous person will live because of his faithfulness.
5Also because wine is treacherous
he is arrogant and never rests.
He has a large appetite like the grave.
He is like death—never satisfied.
He gathers all the nations to himself.
He collects all the people to himself.
6Won’t all of them ridicule him,
directing clever sayings and riddles at him, like:
“ ‘How horrible it will be for the one who makes himself rich
with what is not his own
and makes himself wealthy on loans.
How long will this go on?’
7Won’t your creditors suddenly rise up
and those who are going to shake you wake up?
Then you will become their prize.
8You have looted many nations.
All the rest of the people will loot you
because of the slaughter and violence done
to lands, cities, and all their inhabitants.
9“ ‘How horrible it will be for the one who uses violence
to get things for his own household
in order to set his nest up high
and save himself from disaster.’
10You have planned disgrace for your household
by cutting off many people and forfeiting your own life.

11A stone in the wall will cry out.
A beam in the roof will answer it.
12“ ‘How horrible it will be for the one who builds a city by slaughter
and founds a town by crime.’
13Isn’t it from the Lord of Armies
that people grow tired only to feed the flames
and nations exhaust themselves for nothing?
14But the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the Lord’s glory
like the water covers the sea.
15“ ‘How horrible it will be for the one who makes his neighbor drink
from the bowl of God’s rage,
making him drunk in order to stare at his nakedness.’
16You are filled with disgrace rather than glory.
Drink! Yes you! And expose yourself as godless.
The cup in the Lord’s right hand will come around to you,
and disgrace will cover your glory.
17The violence done to Lebanon will overwhelm you,
and the destruction done to the animals will terrify you
because of the slaughter and violence done
to lands, cities, and all their inhabitants.

18“What benefit is there in a carved idol
when its maker has carved it?
What benefit is there in a molded statue, a teacher of lies,
when its maker has molded it?
The one who formed it trusts himself
to make worthless idols that cannot speak.
19‘How horrible it will be for the one
who says to a piece of wood, “Wake up!”
and to a stone that cannot talk, “Get up!” ’
Can that thing teach anyone?
Just look at it!
It’s covered with gold and silver,
but there’s absolutely no life in it.”
20The Lord is in his holy temple.
All the earth should be silent in his presence

Habakuk makes also reference to the babylonians. I will have to research Ezekiel 32 more thoroughly for discussion, I just pulled up the cross references that I had.
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....Ezekiel 32....Well holy guacomole...What have we here...? A whole lotta' nations that are mentioned in the "Magog" lineup...Any connection...? me thinks YES. Got this years ago...when I was "hungerin' & a thirstin" after the word...not sure I got it all, but here we go...ura after the first dozen or so reads(U know how the Lord only quickens scripture when HE'S ready for U to have it)...I supposed this scripture was a prelude to Ezk.38(Magog)....how mistaken I was...this chapter isn't a forerunner...but the "AFTERMATH" of the battle of Magog...We read...Ezk.32:17 "It came to pass also in the twelfth year,[2012...naah it can't be damned]in the fifteenth day of the month, that the word of the Lord came unto me saying, V.18 "Son of man,wail for the multitude of Egypt, and cast them down, even her, and the daughters of the famous nations, unto the nether parts of the earth, with them that go down to the pit."(see "the Burden of Egypt Is.19) V.19 "Whom dost thou pass in beauty? Go down, and be thou laid with the uncicumcised".(unsaved) V.20 "They shall fall in the midst of them that are slain by the sword:she is delivered to the sword: draw her and all her multitudes".(hooks in da mouth) V.21 "The strong among the mighty shall speak to him out of the midst of hell with them that help him:(GOG) They are gone down, they lie uncircumcised,slain by the sword."(slain by who's sword...?)V.22 "Asshur is there and all her company:his graves are about him: all of them slain, fallen by the sword." V.23 "Whose graves are set in the sides of the pit, and her company is roun about her grave: all of them slain, fallen by the sword, which caused terror in the land of the living." V.24 "There is Elam(Iran)and all her multitude round about her grave, all of them slain, fallen by the sword(who's sword ?), which are gone down uncircumcised into the nether parts of the earth, which caused their terror in the land of the living; yet have they borne their shame with them that go down to the pit." V.25 "They have set her a bed in the midst of the slain with all her multitude: her graves are round about him: all of them uncicumcised, slain by the sword:though their terror was caused in the land of the living(sounds like the Lord is callin' all these bitches(her,her,her) TERRORISTS)...? , yet have they borne their shame with them that go down to the pit: he is put in the midst of them that be slain."(Elam/Iran) V.26 " There is Meshech, Tubal, and all her multitude: her graves are round about him: all of them uncicuncised(unsaved), slain by the sword, though they caused their terror in in the land of the living".....WOW....O.K. WRAP UR HEADS AROUND THIS SCRIPTURE & tell me what they all have in common.....? They caused terror in the land of the living...and they're all very DEAD IN THEIR PITS(GRAVES)...SLAIN BY THE SWORD....WHO'S SWORD....? LATER....rockon
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I will research this a little more thoroughly tonight, thanks for the posting insight, I will look into it.

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...Bingo...Tango...applause...Here's the scripture found in this same chapter which indicates "the sword" the Lord uses to destroy Magog...Ezk.32:11 "For thus saith the Lord God: the sword of the king of Babylon shall come upon thee." & what follows is the destruction of Magog as we read in this most prophetic chapter. Also note, the use of the word "terror" 7 times in this chapter(more than any other chapter in scripture) as I had initially called this...The "terrorist" chapter in a complete study I've done..Unfortunately I can't uplink here...too bad because this study expands substantially & contains numerous scripyural nuggets & info...explaining the role of the "king of Babylon" @ the end of days...However, my question remains the same...If Babylon is destroyed before/during the "battle of Magog" Then how do we reconcile all these scriptures which evidence to the exact opposite....? Selah...
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...Bingo...Tango...applause...Here's the scripture found in this same chapter which indicates "the sword" the Lord uses to destroy Magog...Ezk.32:11 "For thus saith the Lord God: the sword of the king of Babylon shall come upon thee." & what follows is the destruction of Magog as we read in this most prophetic chapter. Also note, the use of the word "terror" 7 times in this chapter(more than any other chapter in scripture) as I had initially called this...The "terrorist" chapter in a complete study I've done..Unfortunately I can't uplink here...too bad because this study expands substantially & contains numerous scripyural nuggets & info...explaining the role of the "king of Babylon" @ the end of days...However, my question remains the same...If Babylon is destroyed before/during the "battle of Magog" Then how do we reconcile all these scriptures which evidence to the exact opposite....? Selah...
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One would have to put in some substantial research to reconcile all these. I have not spent any time into Ezekiel 32 recently, so I will have to do some catchup. When I answered your question it was not because I had done thorough research, but just did a quick cross reference check. Thanks for pointing these out, I will be doing me some in depth look into Ezekiel 32 over the next few days. Thanks for pointing these out. I will have to dig deep into 32 and look into other scriptures that cross reference.
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Several false prophets, ignorant preachers, spiritual leaders, Biblical scholars and other commentators have opined that America is the “Mystery Babylon the Great” referred to in the Book of Revelation. I am no preacher or Biblical scholar; I’m a corporate attorney trained to dissect words, and in my “untrained” theological mind, America is NOT “Mystery [sic] Babylon” for the following several reasons:

1. Revelations 1: 29: “Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter.”

These are the words of God, and they basically advise John that he will be seeing the past, the present, as well as the future. In short, not everything John witnessed were future events (this is critical).

2. Rev. 17: 5: “And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.”

Significantly, and contrary to what many Biblical scholars have erroneously written, the word “mystery” is not an adjective or other modifier; it is a noun, separated by a comma, such that calling Babylon the Great “Mystery Babylon” is incorrect and extremely misleading. The woman is called:

Mystery (noun)
Babylon the Great (noun)
The Mother of Harlots (noun)
Abominations of the Earth (nouns)

Consequently, she is not a mysterious Babylon that John might not know or understand. She is a mystery, period, and when John stands amazed (Rev. 17:6-7: “and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration”), the angel responds: “I will tell thee the mystery of the woman…” The angel proceeds to explain below.

3. Rev. 17:18: “And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.”

Three things are critically important with this explanation. First, the angel said that the woman “is that great city.” The angel does not say the woman “was” or “will be,” but rather explicitly that the woman “is,” using the present tense. Second, the angel’s explanation ties into what God himself instructed John to write about in Rev. 1: 29 above when he said to write about the “things which are.” Third, the use of the word “that” is instructive because it refers to something that is limited to a specific class, which would be indicative of something that can be easily identified at the time of John’s vision. Finally, the angel states the woman “is that great city, which reigneth…” The angel does not state that the woman is a city which will reigneth, but rather “reigneth” in the present tense, again consistent with God’s instruction to write about the present in Rev. 1: 29. Therefore, the “great city” was in existence when John wrote the book of Revelation. This is the most twisted and linguistically mutilated verse of the Book of Revelation when discussing the “Mystery [sic] Babylon.”

4. Rev. 18. There are several versus that describe the city of Babylon and its destruction. Without reciting each of them, it is critical to note a few things historically. If, indeed, the “great city” was in existence at the time of John’s revelation, the most logical choice is Rome, which was not only in existence at the relevant time, but to this day continues to be a major exporter of the luxury goods listed in Rev. 18:12:
“The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner of vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble.”

Note the last word “marble.” Italy is the largest exporter of marble in the world; from Wikipedia: “Marble production is dominated by 4 countries that account for almost half of world production of marble and decorative stone. Italy is the world leader in marble production.” The United States was and is not a major exporter of marble. Indeed, if you Google the major exports of Italy, virtually all of the merchandise listed in Rev. 18:12 are present. The same can be said of America, however, except for the fact America is not a major exporter of marble. Again, glossing over this word is error, especially when considering the fact America did not exist when Rome ruled the world. Furthermore, the reference in Revelation 18:17 to ships at sea and merchants observing the destruction of the city from afar are consistent with Rome, which extends to the shores of the Tyrrhenian Sea.

5. Rev. 18:24: “And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.”

The Vatican and Holy Roman Empire are historically more responsible for the deaths of prophets and saints than likely all countries that have ever been in existence. The Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, Hugenots, Jews, and even the apostles themselves fell victim to Rome and the Roman Catholic Church before, during and after the Middle Ages. This is historical fact. America, despite her faults, wasn’t even in existence when the last of the prophets referred to in the Bible lived. God has not forgotten the cries of those martyred for their faith throughout the centuries; justice upon the Papal cruelty and Roman Catholic Church in particular has yet to be done. See in particular Rev. 18:7: “for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.” If I lived in Rome, I’d head for the hills, no pun intended. (And I’m not even speaking of the reference to “seven hills” in Rev. 17:9, or the symbolism of the woman being a spiritual prostitute, both of which describe Rome and the apostasy of the Roman Catholic Church.)

6. Rev. 18:23: “for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by their sorceries were all nations deceived.”

Biblical scholars have opined that this is a reference to America (or New York) and American merchants, simply because today American merchants are considered to be the richest in the world. Even assuming this is a direct reference to a country or city with the richest or most powerful merchants, the term “your merchants” would encompass trading partners and other third parties that do business with “Babylon the Great.” For example, Swiss banks and countries have “merchants” as clients, including commercial clients. Stated another way, Italy’s “merchants” include not only Italian merchants, but those foreign trading partners and other third party clients that buy and trade Italy’s merchandise or goods. Thus, “Babylon’s merchants” would certainly include America’s most powerful corporations, and is completely consistent with the interpretation that Rome and Italy are or is “Babylon the Great.”

7. 1 Peter 5:13: “The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you; and so doth Mark my son.” Even the Catholic Church believes that Babylon in the New Testament was a code word for Rome. Secular historians and Christians have never suggested Peter was in Iraq at the time this epistle was written. Thus, there is an historical basis that Rome and Babylon were referred to interchangeably during the time when John saw his vision. BTW, this does not include the Babylon in Iraq that reportedly is also going to down in flames, see Isaiah 13:19.
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Several false prophets, ignorant preachers, spiritual leaders, Biblical scholars and other commentators have opined that America is the “Mystery Babylon the Great” referred to in the Book of Revelation. I am no preacher or Biblical scholar; I’m a corporate attorney trained to dissect words, and in my “untrained” theological mind, America is NOT “Mystery [sic] Babylon” for the following several reasons:

1. Revelations 1: 29: “Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter.”

These are the words of God, and they basically advise John that he will be seeing the past, the present, as well as the future. In short, not everything John witnessed were future events (this is critical).

2. Rev. 17: 5: “And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.”

Significantly, and contrary to what many Biblical scholars have erroneously written, the word “mystery” is not an adjective or other modifier; it is a noun, separated by a comma, such that calling Babylon the Great “Mystery Babylon” is incorrect and extremely misleading. The woman is called:

Mystery (noun)
Babylon the Great (noun)
The Mother of Harlots (noun)
Abominations of the Earth (nouns)

Consequently, she is not a mysterious Babylon that John might not know or understand. She is a mystery, period, and when John stands amazed (Rev. 17:6-7: “and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration”), the angel responds: “I will tell thee the mystery of the woman…” The angel proceeds to explain below.

3. Rev. 17:18: “And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.”

Three things are critically important with this explanation. First, the angel said that the woman “is that great city.” The angel does not say the woman “was” or “will be,” but rather explicitly that the woman “is,” using the present tense. Second, the angel’s explanation ties into what God himself instructed John to write about in Rev. 1: 29 above when he said to write about the “things which are.” Third, the use of the word “that” is instructive because it refers to something that is limited to a specific class, which would be indicative of something that can be easily identified at the time of John’s vision. Finally, the angel states the woman “is that great city, which reigneth…” The angel does not state that the woman is a city which will reigneth, but rather “reigneth” in the present tense, again consistent with God’s instruction to write about the present in Rev. 1: 29. Therefore, the “great city” was in existence when John wrote the book of Revelation. This is the most twisted and linguistically mutilated verse of the Book of Revelation when discussing the “Mystery [sic] Babylon.”

4. Rev. 18. There are several verses that describe the city of Babylon and its destruction. Without reciting each of them, it is critical to note a few things historically. If, indeed, the “great city” was in existence at the time of John’s revelation, the most logical choice is Rome, which was not only in existence at the relevant time, but to this day continues to be a major exporter of the luxury goods listed in Rev. 18:12:
“The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner of vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble.”

Note the last word “marble.” Italy is the largest exporter of marble in the world; from Wikipedia: “Marble production is dominated by 4 countries that account for almost half of world production of marble and decorative stone. Italy is the world leader in marble production.” The United States was and is not a major exporter of marble. Indeed, if you Google the major exports of Italy, virtually all of the merchandise listed in Rev. 18:12 are present. The same can be said of America, however, except for the fact America is not a major exporter of marble. Again, glossing over this word is error, especially when considering the fact America did not exist when Rome ruled the world. Furthermore, the reference in Revelation 18:17 to ships at sea and merchants observing the destruction of the city from afar are consistent with Rome, which extends to the shores of the Tyrrhenian Sea.

5. Rev. 18:24: “And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.”

The Vatican and Holy Roman Empire are historically more responsible for the deaths of prophets and saints than likely all countries that have ever been in existence. The Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, Hugenots, Jews, and even the apostles themselves fell victim to Rome and the Roman Catholic Church before, during and after the Middle Ages. This is historical fact. America, despite her faults, wasn’t even in existence when the last of the prophets referred to in the Bible lived. God has not forgotten the cries of those martyred for their faith throughout the centuries; justice upon the Papal cruelty and Roman Catholic Church in particular has yet to be done. See in particular Rev. 18:7: “for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.” If I lived in Rome, I’d head for the hills, no pun intended. (And I’m not even speaking of the reference to “seven hills” in Rev. 17:9, or the symbolism of the woman being a spiritual prostitute, both of which describe Rome and the apostasy of the Roman Catholic Church.)

6. Rev. 18:23: “for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by their sorceries were all nations deceived.”

Biblical scholars have opined that this is a reference to America (or New York) and American merchants, simply because today American merchants are considered to be the richest in the world. Even assuming this is a direct reference to a country or city with the richest or most powerful merchants, the term “your merchants” would encompass trading partners and other third parties that do business with “Babylon the Great.” For example, Swiss banks and countries have “merchants” as clients, including commercial clients. Stated another way, Italy’s “merchants” include not only Italian merchants, but those foreign trading partners and other third party clients that buy and trade Italy’s merchandise or goods. Thus, “Babylon’s merchants” would certainly include America’s most powerful corporations, and is completely consistent with the interpretation that Rome and Italy are or is “Babylon the Great.”

7. 1 Peter 5:13: “The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you; and so doth Mark my son.” Even the Catholic Church believes that Babylon in the New Testament was a code word for Rome. Secular historians and Christians have never suggested Peter was in Iraq at the time this epistle was written. Thus, there is an historical basis that Rome and Babylon were referred to interchangeably during the time when John saw his vision. BTW, this does not include the Babylon in Iraq that reportedly is also going to go down in flames, see Isaiah 13:19.

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Re: AMERICA MYSTERY BABYLON DISCUSSION
Babylon is U.S.A & mystery city is none other than Las Vegas! 0:)

Pharisees of Jesus’ day were the Bible experts, yet God walked among them and they called Him the devil!

Many read ‘Revelation’ yet do not have eyes to see. They are experts in theology and most certainly can spout scripture…often spouting like the step-ford wives of the things which they have learned from a “false prophet” or leaders of churches who do not have spiritual eyes to see either. I VERY much understand how even the elect will be fooled…because they are fooled and deceived right now.

Just as the star shined bright in Bethlehem–EVERYONE saw it in the sky but why did only a few ‘chosen’ people KNOW what it meant– our Savior-Jesus the Messiah was being born?

Many are called but few are ‘chosen.’

The only chosen ones who knew about that Star and what it REALLY meant were the ones that Hashem had spoken with or sent angel messengers to prior to this event.It is called ‘revelation’ and God gave them revelation before it happened. Simple as that.

For those who have wisdom…

It is not just literal-but spiritual wisdom-hidden knowledge of the mysteries of Yeshua which are whispered to those who hear the Holy Spirit…and those that Yeshua chooses to tell.

God is seated on his throne in heaven holding a scroll kept closed with seven seals that no one can open except for a 7-eyed, 7-horned lamb. GREAT JUDGEMENT!

Martyrs calling out for justice!! All of the martyrs in heaven have been heard.

USA is Babylon
Las Vegas is the city–Mystery Babylon
Yes. Las Vegas sits on 7 hills
Yes. All foul demons reside there!
Yes. Desert.
Yes. Las Vegas= multitudes of peoples, nations and tongues
Port city? Not yet.
There is a huge nuclear repository for waste and it sits on top of a ‘dormant’ volcano as of now.(Gov. site-check it out yourself) Government has been dumping bio-hazardous materials on top of this dormant volcano site since early 60’s.
Catastrophic earthquake 9.8 will occur.
This I believe is the great earthquake of the 7th seal.
It will activate and awaken the dormant volcano. It will open up the ground, exposing the biohazard/radiation waste as well as the volcanic spew.
No rock will ever be used-biohazard-radiation.

The bible speaks about the ships that look upon “the mystery city” from very far away (for good reason dontchathink?) burning and on fire, crying about the glitz and glamour of their amazing city. They are mourning over their place of sin being utterly destroyed by God!
The spiritual wisdom here is that it is NOT a port city as of YET.
This great earthquake will cause a reaction of other major catastrophic earthquakes to be set off (They will all be greater than 8. ) and it will make much of the West Coast fall into the sea.
Yes. More nuclear hazards from the coast of San Diego will fall into the sea as well! From the air and water–the sea will be very toxic and dangerous. Nobody will be rescued because of these things I speak of. Boats will look from afar when demon infested Las Vegas crumbles, burns and then is pulled deep down into the earth-into the pits of hell.

The voice of the bride & bridegroom will be heard no more!
I can guarantee you that the ‘bridegroom Yeshua’ will always be heard, so the prophet was not speaking of the Lord. He was speaking about the sinful men & women who did not listen to God’s messengers.
Did you know that Las Vegas is the WEDDING CAPITOL OF THE WORLD? Vows to God but married in Sin city? You don’t see that as offensive to a Holy God? I do.

My vision-I was standing on top of vatican-my purse-demons-devil was there at the bottom of the ‘downward’ stairs. The Vatican has huge $$$ investments in Las Vegas! Surprised? People’s tithes used in such a way causes the martyrs to scream out for justice to the Lord!

The investors are losing HUGE MONEY in Las Vegas for the past 5 yrs. They are in the red. They HATE Las Vegas now because it is a HUGE money loss & everyday they lose more and more money. Insurance policies–they will recoup their losses very shortly.

FOLLOW the $$$!!

( Read carefully…next verse of scripture explains it clearly)

Revelation 17

Then he said to me, “The waters which you saw, where the harlot (LAS VEGAS) sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues. And the ten horns (The 10 kings–NWO) which you saw on the beast, these will hate the harlot, make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire. (Why would they hate the harlot? Their loss of money!)

For God has put it into their hearts to fulfill His purpose, to be of one mind, and to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled.
(My vision of 10 kings–the 10 kings of revelation are going to be ushered in when this happens. They will only be able to usher them in by great destruction–RFID (mark of the beast 666) implementation due to the great loss of life–multitudes…they will say it will be for your own good. Do not believe it! Don’t fall for it.)

And the woman whom you saw is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth.”

Mystery city Babylon = Las Vegas
A woman representing a Gold cup held and poured out.
There’s that GOLD CUP again.
Judgment coming for the evil that has been done against the Martyrs of Jesus
Her forehead has the answers written to the mystery.
Her forehead is marked for Christ-sealed to know this very revelation-the very amazing mystery of this foul demon infested city-Devil very angry!!
People keep saying the woman who rides the beast is bad. She is not. She is good. Spiritual wisdom people! Wake up! wake up! wake up!
The colors she wears
Scarlett=RED The color of blood shed by Christ’s martyrs.
PURPLE=Jesus’s robe of Righteousness.
The devil is a counterfeiter and he wants you to think that it is ROME’s colors but it is not.
Rome is involved and part of the 10 kings but they will survive the destruction of the city of Babylon because it is not them. They get destroyed later down the road.
She rides the beast=controlling their evilness=literal and spiritual.
She holds the mysteries that they try to hide-an evil objective of all that they do and design but they can’t stop it-God can not be stopped!
She rides them–controls them but only for a time.

Yeshua says in one of my visions:
“THE TEN KINGS WILL BE BROKEN AND DESTROYED!”
(I believe him!)

When the seventh seal is opened,
(The Angel in my vision–7th seal)
Shalom Sinai = The peace treaty signing =Daniel’s 70th week starts.
so there you go! 0:)





GLP