AMERICA MYSTERY BABYLON DISCUSSION

I have been studying this for a little while and I have come to the only conclusion that America had to be Mystery Babylon. I am not as well versed as you are, but I know that America fullfilled the prophecies concerning this nation. Yes, one can see the writing on the wall as far as the economic, military confrontation and other indicators lining up. My question to you I know in revelations the 10 kings were of one mind to burn her with fire, do you know who these ten kings are.

Blessings to you! I just skimmed the surface my friend. There's MUCH MUCH MUCH more. The reason why I focused on the fall of Babylon is because God has made it evident that it's fall is a MAJOR prophetic event in end time prophecy. The longest continual prophecy in the word of God is the fall of Babylon in Jeremiah chapters 50 and 51. God doesn't do or say anything by chance or coincidence. Everything that is in His word is there for a specific purpose and for a specific reason. God has emphasized the fall of Babylon in His word in order to warn His elect saints.


"2For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness." 1 Thessalonians 5:2-5


The day of the Lord comes as a thief. It starts with sudden destruction. And it will come upon those who are sleeping. Those who refuse to wake up and see the signs will be caught in the coming storm that will break forth with fury when Babylon the Great is destroyed in 1 hour.

Speaking on the destruction of Babylon, Revelation 18 presents the picture of everything being "normal" in the world until the 10 kings annihilate her in 1 hour. Trade was going on, commerce was taking place, shipping wasn't interrupted, and the normal day to day activities of men where present.


But once the annihilation takes place, the whole world is turned upside down instantly. The traders of all the world are astonished at the demise of Babylon. They are seen "Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come." (Revelation 18:10) This is the sudden destruction that comes upon the world. This is the beginning of the day of the Lord that all the prophets talked about.


"14The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.

15That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,

16A day of the trumpet and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers." Zephaniah 1:14-16


The day of the Lord, the sudden destruction, starts with the fall of Babylon. The missile defense shield will not protect America. Our spy satellites will not protect America. Our space defense will not protect America.


"Though Babylon should mount up to heaven, and though she should fortify the height of her strength, yet from me shall spoilers come unto her, saith the LORD." Jeremiah 51:53


"9Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. " Isaiah 13:9


Babylon must fall before the beast takes over the world. God says that it will be made desolate forever! America will never be inhabited once she falls. God will erase the memory of her for all time!


"19And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.

20It shall never be inhabited, neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation: neither shall the Arabian pitch tent there; neither shall the shepherds make their fold there.

21But wild beasts of the desert shall lie there; and their houses shall be full of doleful creatures; and owls shall dwell there, and satyrs shall dance there.

22And the wild beasts of the islands shall cry in their desolate houses, and dragons in their pleasant palaces: and her time is near to come, and her days shall not be prolonged." Isaiah 13:19-22



America has been proud against the Lord and has sinned. America has corrupted the whole world with it's wickedness. America is the leading exporter of all things vile to the whole entire world. God says that the nations have gone crazy because of it.

"Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad." Jeremiah 51:7


Just look at the porn industry. America is the leading exporter of fornication, lust, adultery, etc to the whole world. America has glorfied sex! How can God be pleased with that? How can God just stand by and do nothing? But America believes she will never face judgment. America believes that the good times will roll forever!


"7How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. 8Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her." Revelation 18:7-8


The total destruction of America will come in 1 hour! It will be an all out sneak attack carried out by the 10 kings. Russia, Iran, and China will lead the charge. Check this prophecy out:

"Woe to him that increaseth that which is not his! how long? and to him that ladeth himself with thick clay!

Will not your debtors suddenly arise? Will they not wake up and make you tremble? Then you will become their victim.

8Because thou hast spoiled many nations, all the remnant of the people shall spoil thee; because of men's blood, and for the violence of the land, of the city, and of all that dwell therein." Habakkuk 2:6-8


China is going to rise up against the America and destroy it suddenly. The 10 kings will be in league with each other. And the alliances are already forming. The hand writing is on the wall. God has continually been reinforcing the 2 signs of the fall of Babylon to me. These 2 signs are coming my friend.


Just look at the recent earthquake activity in Oklahoma. God is putting the Midwest on alert. He is getting the attention of the Midwest. He is giving people time to repent and turn to Him. Because when the New Madrid earthquake erupts it is going to be DEVASTATING! Katrina will pale in comparison. This will be the crisis that the government will use to enforce their devious plans. Coupled with the fulfillment of the 2nd sign, the year of the rumor and the violence, the stage will be set. That is why it is imperative for those who know God and understand the vision (the prophecy) that they listen to God and flee Babylon before the 10 kings pounce! For it will be when America is at it's weakest (trying to handle the devastation of the earthquake, squash the rebellion, and calm the fears of it's citizens) that the 10 kings will use the opportunity to strike without warning and lay the land of Babylon flat.


GOD WILL BREAK OUT THE BROOM OF DESTRUCTION FOR BABYLON!


"22For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD. 23I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools of water: and I will sweep it with the broom of destruction, saith the LORD of hosts.

24The LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand." Isaiah 14:22-24


Amen.

Quoting: DoUwant2go2heaven? 6412505

very interesting reading/study of the scriptures. I have been looking into this for a bit, but nowhere as conclusive as you have laid it out. So is one supposed to have left by now, or how soon?

Quoting: Tango

Well you have to be led by the Holy Spirit in that matter. God has given the warning to flee though. Right now we are under the 6th and 7th warning of Jeremiah chapter 50 and 51. Here they are right here:

6th warning:

"9We would have healed Babylon, but she is not healed: forsake her, and let us go every one into his own country: for her judgment reacheth unto heaven, and is lifted up even to the skies. Jeremiah 51:9

7th warning:



"10The LORD hath brought forth our righteousness: come, and let us declare in Zion the work of the LORD our God." Jeremiah 51:10


The 6th warning tells us that America can't be healed. The economy will never be fixed. The foundation of the 'god' that America trusted in has fallen. The attack on the world trade centers signified the coming collapse. The judgment reached unto heaven when the smoke from the tower was seen rising from space on that day.


The 7th warning tells those that escape where to flee to. Israel is the ultimate destination!



So there are only 2 more warnings left in the prophecy of Jeremiah. And those 2 warnings will soon be coming to pass. The next warning to flee comes next year, which is literally only days away!


8th warning:

"45My people, go ye out of the midst of her, and deliver ye every man his soul from the fierce anger of the LORD." Jeremiah 51:45

That is the next warning on the horizon. God gives that warning in relation with the sign prophecy! THE RUMOR!


"46And lest your heart faint, and ye fear for the rumour that shall be heard in the land; a rumour shall both come one year, and after that in another year shall come a rumour, and violence in the land, ruler against ruler." Jeremiah 51:46

The rumor is coming next year. The mayan rumor of 2012 is what God is implying here. The first rumor was Y2K. And with the last rumor, the 2012 rumor, violence will come to the land, ruler against ruler. Occupy Wall street is laying the foundation for what is about to break out!


the 9th warning:


"50Ye that have escaped the sword, go away, stand not still: remember the LORD afar off, and let Jerusalem come into your mind." Jeremiah 51:50

The final warning is another call by God that gives His people instructions on where they must go, and that is to Israel! Israel has to be the place where the saints of God must go. Revelation 12 gives us the reason.


But in regards to when we must flee my friend, ultimately the leading of the Holy Spirit must guide you. But I will say that when the signs are fulfilled, the earthquake and the rumor, there will be no more signs given by God. The only thing left to happen, in regards to the fall of Babylon, will be the 10 kings coming to strike. Anybody who will be alive in Babylon when the missiles come will die. Nobody in Babylon will survive the all-out nuclear attack which the 10 kings will unleash upon this land.


The Lord will lead us my friend. When God gives the vision, He also makes the provision! God has commended His people to flee out of Babylon before she is destroyed, thus God will be the one guiding His saints out. But only if we are in fellowship and communion with Him. We have to obey the Lord in all things and matters. The time for playing around with God has to stop. The days that are coming upon the world are about to get terrible. And only those who know the voice of God will be able to discern His leading in these last days! Amen.

Quoting: DoUwant2go2heaven? 6412505

Blessings my friend. May the Lord Jesus Christ guide us in all things and may the Holy Spirit be our teacher. Amen. America being Mystery Babylon is not a matter of debate. It's a mystery only revealed by the Holy Spirit. If you want to go line upon line, line upon line, precept upon precept, precept upon precept, here a little and there a little, I will gladly welcome the opportunity to search the scriptures with you to see that it is so. The scriptures paint a clear and complete picture of who Mystery Babylon is and why she must fall before the beast kingdom takes over the world. I will start with this little caveat:

"12Your mother shall be sore confounded; she that bare you shall be ashamed: behold, the last of the nations shall be a wilderness, a dry land, and a desert." Jeremiah 50:12

The mother of America is England. The last of the nations was America who was born in 1776. God says that the last of the nations, meaning the last super-power on earth before the rise of the beast kingdom, will be made into a wilderness, a dry land, and a desert! God is speaking of the total nuclear annihilation that will come upon Babylon aka America at the beginning of the tribulation period.

This is what God says:

"1Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will raise up against Babylon, and against them that dwell in the midst of them that rise up against me, a destroying wind;

2And will send unto Babylon fanners, that shall fan her, and shall empty her land: for in the day of trouble they shall be against her round about." Jeremiah 51:1-2

The destroying wind is God describing the nuclear effects of the bombs and missiles that will be unleashed on Babylon. God said that the missiles will fan the whole land! God tells us that not 1 missile that is fired upon Babylon will miss:

"For, lo, I will raise and cause to come up against Babylon an assembly of great nations from the north country: and they shall set themselves in array against her; from thence she shall be taken: their arrows shall be as of a mighty expert man; none shall return in vain." Jeremiah 50:9

The arrows, missiles, will be bright.

"11Make bright the arrows; gather the shields: the LORD hath raised up the spirit of the kings of the Medes: for his device is against Babylon, to destroy it; because it is the vengeance of the LORD, the vengeance of his temple." Jeremiah 51:11

The enemies of the north are led by Russia. Iran (medes) and China (kings of the east) will also help. They are 3 of the 10 kings that God says will destroy Babylon.

"16And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire." Revlation 17:16


God describes Babylon as being the greatest military power on planet earth, who thought that she would never be destroyed!

"23How is the hammer of the whole earth cut asunder and broken! how is Babylon become a desolation among the nations!" Jeremiah 50:23




Let God be true and all men liars my friend. I've only skimmed the surface of the identifying marks of who Babylon the great is. God has unsealed the prophecies for His elect. Daniel 12:4 tells us that they would be unsealed at the time of the end. The time of the end is now. Just ponder this for a second. In your sanctified mind, think of this for a minute. Where on earth is the only city in the world located that is known by the name "Sin City"? The world famous nickname, Sin City, which mocks the very thing that God hates, SIN, is flaunted and boasted to the whole world. Las Vegas is located right here in America. The nickname is endorsed by the Government! The chamber of commerce to be exact! Do you think God is just going to sit by and do nothing? How awful that must be to God. Look at what He says about the PROUD attitude that defiles Mystery Babylon:



Behold, I am against thee, O thou most proud, saith the Lord GOD of hosts: for thy day is come, the time that I will visit thee. And the most proud shall stumble and fall, and none shall raise him up: and I will kindle a fire in his cities, and it shall devour all round about him. Jeremiah 50:31-32

America is the most proud nation. Las Vegas is just one example. God says in the above passage of scripture that the fire will consume "the cities" that are contained in Babylon. Thus Babylon is a nation made up of many cities.


"Behold, I am against thee, O destroying mountain, saith the LORD, which destroyest all the earth: and I will stretch out mine hand upon thee, and roll thee down from the rocks, and will make thee a burnt mountain." Jeremiah 51:25



I implore you to reconsider your position of who Mystery Babylon is when you see the New Madrid earthquake fulfilled next year before the 2012 elections. The arch in St. Louis will fall. When this happens please understand that you must flee Babylon. God tells His people to flee 9 times alone in the prophecy of Jeremiah. The call is repeated in Isaiah, Zechariah, and Revelation.

"Deliver thyself, O Zion, that dwellest with the daughter of Babylon." Zechariah 2:7


"Leave Babylon, flee from the Babylonians! Announce this with shouts of joy and proclaim it. Send it out to the ends of the earth; say, "The LORD has redeemed his servant Jacob." Isaiah 48:20

"And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues." Revelation 18:4



The call to flee is OVER EMPHASIZED by God because sudden destruction will come upon Babylon. Those who don't flee will not be aware of what is coming.


"I have laid a snare for thee, and thou art also taken, O Babylon, and thou wast not aware: thou art found, and also caught, because thou hast striven against the LORD." Jeremiah 50:24


The snare has been laid my friend. The trap is set. The signs will be fulfilled.


"45My people, go ye out of the midst of her, and deliver ye every man his soul from the fierce anger of the LORD.

46And lest your heart faint, and ye fear for the rumour that shall be heard in the land; a rumour shall both come one year, and after that in another year shall come a rumour, and violence in the land, ruler against ruler." Jeremiah 51:45-46

The next to the last call to flee Babylon comes next year. The year of the 2012 mayan rumor. Violence will also come to the land. The earthquake will also be fulfilled next year. May the Lord give you understanding in these matters. We are not in the dark my friend. That day, the day of the Lord, will not overtake those who are watching, praying, and obeying the Lord! Those who hear will hear, and those who will forbear, will forbear. Amen.

Quoting: DoUwant2go2heaven? 6412505

Well, looks like you are talking to yourself OP?

Anyhow, American is not Babylon. Babylon the great represents a system not a country or nation.

The woman is the opposite of the New Jerusalem Bride.

Last Edited by _2 swords_ on 12/03/2011 05:05 AM

I think so too. The whole country is a bunch of babylonians. You can't go in any town and not find the mystery cults of the old testament running things again.

The sun moon cults will merge and be the religion of the new world order. The church has to be taken out of the way.

:rapture12:

Blessings my friend. May the Lord Jesus Christ guide us in all things and may the Holy Spirit be our teacher. Amen. America being Mystery Babylon is not a matter of debate. It's a mystery only revealed by the Holy Spirit. If you want to go line upon line, line upon line, precept upon precept, precept upon precept, here a little and there a little, I will gladly welcome the opportunity to search the scriptures with you to see that it is so. The scriptures paint a clear and complete picture of who Mystery Babylon is and why she must fall before the beast kingdom takes over the world. I will start with this little caveat:

"12Your mother shall be sore confounded; she that bare you shall be ashamed: behold, the last of the nations shall be a wilderness, a dry land, and a desert." Jeremiah 50:12

The mother of America is England. The last of the nations was America who was born in 1776. God says that the last of the nations, meaning the last super-power on earth before the rise of the beast kingdom, will be made into a wilderness, a dry land, and a desert! God is speaking of the total nuclear annihilation that will come upon Babylon aka America at the beginning of the tribulation period.

This is what God says:

"1Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will raise up against Babylon, and against them that dwell in the midst of them that rise up against me, a destroying wind;

2And will send unto Babylon fanners, that shall fan her, and shall empty her land: for in the day of trouble they shall be against her round about." Jeremiah 51:1-2

The destroying wind is God describing the nuclear effects of the bombs and missiles that will be unleashed on Babylon. God said that the missiles will fan the whole land! God tells us that not 1 missile that is fired upon Babylon will miss:

"For, lo, I will raise and cause to come up against Babylon an assembly of great nations from the north country: and they shall set themselves in array against her; from thence she shall be taken: their arrows shall be as of a mighty expert man; none shall return in vain." Jeremiah 50:9

The arrows, missiles, will be bright.

"11Make bright the arrows; gather the shields: the LORD hath raised up the spirit of the kings of the Medes: for his device is against Babylon, to destroy it; because it is the vengeance of the LORD, the vengeance of his temple." Jeremiah 51:11

The enemies of the north are led by Russia. Iran (medes) and China (kings of the east) will also help. They are 3 of the 10 kings that God says will destroy Babylon.

"16And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire." Revlation 17:16


God describes Babylon as being the greatest military power on planet earth, who thought that she would never be destroyed!

"23How is the hammer of the whole earth cut asunder and broken! how is Babylon become a desolation among the nations!" Jeremiah 50:23




Let God be true and all men liars my friend. I've only skimmed the surface of the identifying marks of who Babylon the great is. God has unsealed the prophecies for His elect. Daniel 12:4 tells us that they would be unsealed at the time of the end. The time of the end is now. Just ponder this for a second. In your sanctified mind, think of this for a minute. Where on earth is the only city in the world located that is known by the name "Sin City"? The world famous nickname, Sin City, which mocks the very thing that God hates, SIN, is flaunted and boasted to the whole world. Las Vegas is located right here in America. The nickname is endorsed by the Government! The chamber of commerce to be exact! Do you think God is just going to sit by and do nothing? How awful that must be to God. Look at what He says about the PROUD attitude that defiles Mystery Babylon:



Behold, I am against thee, O thou most proud, saith the Lord GOD of hosts: for thy day is come, the time that I will visit thee. And the most proud shall stumble and fall, and none shall raise him up: and I will kindle a fire in his cities, and it shall devour all round about him. Jeremiah 50:31-32

America is the most proud nation. Las Vegas is just one example. God says in the above passage of scripture that the fire will consume "the cities" that are contained in Babylon. Thus Babylon is a nation made up of many cities.


"Behold, I am against thee, O destroying mountain, saith the LORD, which destroyest all the earth: and I will stretch out mine hand upon thee, and roll thee down from the rocks, and will make thee a burnt mountain." Jeremiah 51:25



I implore you to reconsider your position of who Mystery Babylon is when you see the New Madrid earthquake fulfilled next year before the 2012 elections. The arch in St. Louis will fall. When this happens please understand that you must flee Babylon. God tells His people to flee 9 times alone in the prophecy of Jeremiah. The call is repeated in Isaiah, Zechariah, and Revelation.

"Deliver thyself, O Zion, that dwellest with the daughter of Babylon." Zechariah 2:7


"Leave Babylon, flee from the Babylonians! Announce this with shouts of joy and proclaim it. Send it out to the ends of the earth; say, "The LORD has redeemed his servant Jacob." Isaiah 48:20

"And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues." Revelation 18:4



The call to flee is OVER EMPHASIZED by God because sudden destruction will come upon Babylon. Those who don't flee will not be aware of what is coming.


"I have laid a snare for thee, and thou art also taken, O Babylon, and thou wast not aware: thou art found, and also caught, because thou hast striven against the LORD." Jeremiah 50:24


The snare has been laid my friend. The trap is set. The signs will be fulfilled.


"45My people, go ye out of the midst of her, and deliver ye every man his soul from the fierce anger of the LORD.

46And lest your heart faint, and ye fear for the rumour that shall be heard in the land; a rumour shall both come one year, and after that in another year shall come a rumour, and violence in the land, ruler against ruler." Jeremiah 51:45-46

The next to the last call to flee Babylon comes next year. The year of the 2012 mayan rumor. Violence will also come to the land. The earthquake will also be fulfilled next year. May the Lord give you understanding in these matters. We are not in the dark my friend. That day, the day of the Lord, will not overtake those who are watching, praying, and obeying the Lord! Those who hear will hear, and those who will forbear, will forbear. Amen.

Quoting: DoUwant2go2heaven? 6412505

very interesting information there. Do you have any links or continue on...

Quoting: Tango


Blessings to you! I just skimmed the surface my friend. There's MUCH MUCH MUCH more. The reason why I focused on the fall of Babylon is because God has made it evident that it's fall is a MAJOR prophetic event in end time prophecy. The longest continual prophecy in the word of God is the fall of Babylon in Jeremiah chapters 50 and 51. God doesn't do or say anything by chance or coincidence. Everything that is in His word is there for a specific purpose and for a specific reason. God has emphasized the fall of Babylon in His word in order to warn His elect saints.


"2For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness." 1 Thessalonians 5:2-5


The day of the Lord comes as a thief. It starts with sudden destruction. And it will come upon those who are sleeping. Those who refuse to wake up and see the signs will be caught in the coming storm that will break forth with fury when Babylon the Great is destroyed in 1 hour.

Speaking on the destruction of Babylon, Revelation 18 presents the picture of everything being "normal" in the world until the 10 kings annihilate her in 1 hour. Trade was going on, commerce was taking place, shipping wasn't interrupted, and the normal day to day activities of men where present.


But once the annihilation takes place, the whole world is turned upside down instantly. The traders of all the world are astonished at the demise of Babylon. They are seen "Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come." (Revelation 18:10) This is the sudden destruction that comes upon the world. This is the beginning of the day of the Lord that all the prophets talked about.


"14The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.

15That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,

16A day of the trumpet and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers." Zephaniah 1:14-16


The day of the Lord, the sudden destruction, starts with the fall of Babylon. The missile defense shield will not protect America. Our spy satellites will not protect America. Our space defense will not protect America.


"Though Babylon should mount up to heaven, and though she should fortify the height of her strength, yet from me shall spoilers come unto her, saith the LORD." Jeremiah 51:53


"9Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. " Isaiah 13:9


Babylon must fall before the beast takes over the world. God says that it will be made desolate forever! America will never be inhabited once she falls. God will erase the memory of her for all time!


"19And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.

20It shall never be inhabited, neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation: neither shall the Arabian pitch tent there; neither shall the shepherds make their fold there.

21But wild beasts of the desert shall lie there; and their houses shall be full of doleful creatures; and owls shall dwell there, and satyrs shall dance there.

22And the wild beasts of the islands shall cry in their desolate houses, and dragons in their pleasant palaces: and her time is near to come, and her days shall not be prolonged." Isaiah 13:19-22



America has been proud against the Lord and has sinned. America has corrupted the whole world with it's wickedness. America is the leading exporter of all things vile to the whole entire world. God says that the nations have gone crazy because of it.

"Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad." Jeremiah 51:7


Just look at the porn industry. America is the leading exporter of fornication, lust, adultery, etc to the whole world. America has glorfied sex! How can God be pleased with that? How can God just stand by and do nothing? But America believes she will never face judgment. America believes that the good times will roll forever!


"7How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. 8Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her." Revelation 18:7-8


The total destruction of America will come in 1 hour! It will be an all out sneak attack carried out by the 10 kings. Russia, Iran, and China will lead the charge. Check this prophecy out:

"Woe to him that increaseth that which is not his! how long? and to him that ladeth himself with thick clay!

Will not your debtors suddenly arise? Will they not wake up and make you tremble? Then you will become their victim.

8Because thou hast spoiled many nations, all the remnant of the people shall spoil thee; because of men's blood, and for the violence of the land, of the city, and of all that dwell therein." Habakkuk 2:6-8


China is going to rise up against the America and destroy it suddenly. The 10 kings will be in league with each other. And the alliances are already forming. The hand writing is on the wall. God has continually been reinforcing the 2 signs of the fall of Babylon to me. These 2 signs are coming my friend.


Just look at the recent earthquake activity in Oklahoma. God is putting the Midwest on alert. He is getting the attention of the Midwest. He is giving people time to repent and turn to Him. Because when the New Madrid earthquake erupts it is going to be DEVASTATING! Katrina will pale in comparison. This will be the crisis that the government will use to enforce their devious plans. Coupled with the fulfillment of the 2nd sign, the year of the rumor and the violence, the stage will be set. That is why it is imperative for those who know God and understand the vision (the prophecy) that they listen to God and flee Babylon before the 10 kings pounce! For it will be when America is at it's weakest (trying to handle the devastation of the earthquake, squash the rebellion, and calm the fears of it's citizens) that the 10 kings will use the opportunity to strike without warning and lay the land of Babylon flat.


GOD WILL BREAK OUT THE BROOM OF DESTRUCTION FOR BABYLON!


"22For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD. 23I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools of water: and I will sweep it with the broom of destruction, saith the LORD of hosts.

24The LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand." Isaiah 14:22-24


Amen.

Quoting: DoUwant2go2heaven? 6412505

very interesting reading/study of the scriptures. I have been looking into this for a bit, but nowhere as conclusive as you have laid it out. So is one supposed to have left by now, or how soon?

Quoting: Tango

Well you have to be led by the Holy Spirit in that matter. God has given the warning to flee though. Right now we are under the 6th and 7th warning of Jeremiah chapter 50 and 51. Here they are right here:

6th warning:

"9We would have healed Babylon, but she is not healed: forsake her, and let us go every one into his own country: for her judgment reacheth unto heaven, and is lifted up even to the skies. Jeremiah 51:9

7th warning:



"10The LORD hath brought forth our righteousness: come, and let us declare in Zion the work of the LORD our God." Jeremiah 51:10


The 6th warning tells us that America can't be healed. The economy will never be fixed. The foundation of the 'god' that America trusted in has fallen. The attack on the world trade centers signified the coming collapse. The judgment reached unto heaven when the smoke from the tower was seen rising from space on that day.


The 7th warning tells those that escape where to flee to. Israel is the ultimate destination!



So there are only 2 more warnings left in the prophecy of Jeremiah. And those 2 warnings will soon be coming to pass. The next warning to flee comes next year, which is literally only days away!


8th warning:

"45My people, go ye out of the midst of her, and deliver ye every man his soul from the fierce anger of the LORD." Jeremiah 51:45

That is the next warning on the horizon. God gives that warning in relation with the sign prophecy! THE RUMOR!


"46And lest your heart faint, and ye fear for the rumour that shall be heard in the land; a rumour shall both come one year, and after that in another year shall come a rumour, and violence in the land, ruler against ruler." Jeremiah 51:46

The rumor is coming next year. The mayan rumor of 2012 is what God is implying here. The first rumor was Y2K. And with the last rumor, the 2012 rumor, violence will come to the land, ruler against ruler. Occupy Wall street is laying the foundation for what is about to break out!


the 9th warning:


"50Ye that have escaped the sword, go away, stand not still: remember the LORD afar off, and let Jerusalem come into your mind." Jeremiah 51:50

The final warning is another call by God that gives His people instructions on where they must go, and that is to Israel! Israel has to be the place where the saints of God must go. Revelation 12 gives us the reason.


But in regards to when we must flee my friend, ultimately the leading of the Holy Spirit must guide you. But I will say that when the signs are fulfilled, the earthquake and the rumor, there will be no more signs given by God. The only thing left to happen, in regards to the fall of Babylon, will be the 10 kings coming to strike. Anybody who will be alive in Babylon when the missiles come will die. Nobody in Babylon will survive the all-out nuclear attack which the 10 kings will unleash upon this land.


The Lord will lead us my friend. When God gives the vision, He also makes the provision! God has commended His people to flee out of Babylon before she is destroyed, thus God will be the one guiding His saints out. But only if we are in fellowship and communion with Him. We have to obey the Lord in all things and matters. The time for playing around with God has to stop. The days that are coming upon the world are about to get terrible. And only those who know the voice of God will be able to discern His leading in these last days! Amen.

It does! I was trying to be respectful to the Op on the other thread and not derail it, but did not plan on coming over here to chat with myself lol.

Think of it this way OP.

The New Jerusalem is represented as a bride adorned for her husband that has prepared herself for Him.

Babylon the great is a woman riding on the back of the beast (the political system) she has persecuted the saints & followers of Christ. She is not a nation but a false religous system. The opposite of the pure religious system.

I have looked at that analogy fairly closely, but the problem I have with it is when Mystery Babylon is spoken of she is spoken in the term of a nation with many cities, that trades in many goods which are detailed in jeremiah 50 51, Rev 17 and 18. No doubt the spectrum involves false religion, but the clarity it gives is of a nation with cities.

Are you talking about how she sits on many waters or nations?

She sits on the whole world in that she has influence on the whole world apart from Christ.

The theory of the USA being Babylon is a bit shaky, when you consider that the actual city of Babylon is currently being rebuilt, that Iraq has more easy to tap oil than any land on the plant (it will soon be the richest nation in the world), etc.

Babylon may simply be Babylon (Iraq). Look at your newspapers since 1991. For that last 20 years Iraq has been front page news. That is not going to change.

It is a bit lengthy, but a detailed read.

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Praise God that He has revealed His truth to you. Only those who have a teachable spirit can learn at the Masters feet. May He grant us wisdom, knowledge, and understanding in all things concerning these things. Amen.

The 10 kings are a major study my friend. I'm still in the process of unraveling the mystery. God has told us that everything we need to know is in His word (Mark 13:23). But He also says, "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter" (Proverbs 25:2). So in my searching out of this matter I have only confirmed 3 of the 10 kings. Those being Russia, Iran, and China.

Russia is referred to as the ones from the North in the prophecy concerning the destruction. Here go a few of the scriptures:

"For out of the north there cometh up a nation against her, which shall make her land desolate, and none shall dwell therein: they shall remove, they shall depart, both man and beast." Jeremiah 50:3

"For I will stir up and bring against Babylon an alliance of great nations from the land of the north. They will take up their positions against her, and from the north she will be captured. Their arrows will be like skilled warriors who do not return empty-handed." Jeremiah 50:9


"Look! An army is coming from the north; a great nation and many kings are being stirred up from the ends of the earth." Jeremiah 50:41


"Then heaven and earth and all that is in them will shout for joy over Babylon, for out of the north destroyers will attack her," declares the LORD." Jeremiah 51:48


Russia fits the prophecy perfectly because they are located North of America, they are the only nation capable of taking the lead in the destruction of America with their nuclear firepower, and they have the motive to do it. Russia still hates America. The cold war never ended. It just laid dormant for a minute. But the bear of Russia is waking up. Putin has been saying all types of stuff about America since the dollar collapsed. He specifically called America "a parasite". Well what do you do with a parasite? You destroy it! Thus I see Putin as playing a major role in the next few years.


Iran is referred to as the Medes in prophecy. Here are the prophecies that implicate her:

"See, I will stir up against them the Medes, who do not care for silver and have no delight in gold." Isaiah 13:17

"Sharpen the arrows, take up the shields! The LORD has stirred up the kings of the Medes, because his purpose is to destroy Babylon. The LORD will take vengeance, vengeance for his temple." Jeremiah 51:11

"Prepare the nations for battle against her--the kings of the Medes, their governors and all their officials, and all the countries they rule." Jeremiah 51:28


Iran is in bed with Russia. They will be joined together when they launch the attack on America. They will be the chief perpetrators in leading the charge because they are so prominently mentioned in the prophecy. Plus a look at world events today sees the unrelenting determination of Iran to acquire nuclear weapons. Iran won't stop until they posses them and use them!


As for China. They are mentioned in Revelation 16:12.

"12And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared."

I believe China is implicated as being part of the "kings of the east". Also Habakkuk in his prophecy hints about the creditors of Babylon rising up against them finally. The holder of the majority of US debt is none other than China. Soon enough China will get tired of our antics.



As for the other 7 kings, I have to do more prayerful study on the subject. But I believe the 3 main kings have been identified and established by God in His word plainly. Russia has the firepower to destroy America in 1 hour. They can easily supply Iran and the other nations with weapons as well. China has it's own nuclear arsenal that they will use. The amount of their nuclear arsenal isn't even known. So they will have no problem striking America at the appointed time.


What has God revealed to you in your studies my friend?

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GTG, will check back with you later.

Iraq has been on the front page of the newspapers because the daughter of Babylon has plundered her. Mystery Babylon has taken over the reigns of ancient Babylon my friend. The whole world will not react with weeping and wailing if Iraq is destroyed in 1 hour. It's already been conquered twice in the last 20 years and the world has continued on. But when mystery Babylon is destroyed, the whole world will be in Utter Disbelief! Also, God states that the daughter of Babylon, Mystery Babylon, has never been destroyed. She sits a queen and thinks she will never see sorrow. But death, mourning, and famine will all come to her in 1 day and in 1 hour. Thus, it can't be Iraq. Only America fits the bill my friend. A careful study of Jeremiah 50 and 51 will teach you this.

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DoUwant2go2heaven, thanks for posting all that (in the other thread). I have to admit, i've been lax with my study of the scripture this past year, but what you posted so far really spoke to me. Even made an account to reply, and I prefer to read rather than post.

I've heard so many interpretations of the endtime prophecies snce I was dragged kicking and screaming to faith in Yeshua that i'm still left with little choice but to rely on God to lead me and, no offense, treat your posts with a grain of salt. None the less I have read it and will keep it in mind as things unfold. Thank you.

Your struggle is that you don't realize we have decades yet before the end, and oil is going to scream nigher. Iraq is rising from the ashes right before your eyes. Just wait. You'll see. Keep watching. Iraq has risen from the ashes more than once. It will rise again. It has never been completely destroyed.

The green goddess from Venus that plays with the fires of the abyss ow my she burns my soul away lol

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I believe Habakkuk chapter 1 and 2 is talking about current mystery babylon and about our creditors will turn against us and ruin shall become of us.

I will find a better link for you, give me a sec.

I'm not entrely sure about there being decades left.

For a start off, the generation that saw Israel return to their land won't pass away before the end comes. My Grandmother is off that generation, and she is in her seventies. The Bible puts a generations lifespan at eighty, give or take.

"Come down, and sit in the dust, O virgin daughter of Babylon, sit on the ground: there is no throne, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called tender and delicate." Isaiah 47:1

How can the Babylon of Iraq be a virgin daugther my friend? Iraq has been trampled upon by America twice in the last 20 years. How can Iraq be called tender and delicate when she has been ruined? How can Iraq be a kingdom when she was destroyed?


The prophet Isaiah in chapter 47 is speaking of a totally different place my friend. America has never been conquered. America is tender and delicate because she has never been defeated. She is the most mighty nation on planet earth and thus has sits on the throne. This is only 1 example of numerous others found in the word of God. I pray that God will reveal His truth to you my friend. May He guide you in all wisdom, knowledge, and understanding in regards to the identity of Mystery Babylon. Amen.

Sharpen the arrows, take up the shields! The LORD has stirred up the kings of the Medes, because his purpose is to destroy Babylon. The LORD will take vengeance, vengeance for his temple." Jeremiah 51:11

So the medes/being persia/being Iran will be used and a trap will be laid for Babylon because she has striven against the lord
Jeremiah 24 I have laid a snare for thee, and thou art also taken, O Babylon, and thou wast not aware: thou art found, and also caught, because thou hast striven against the LORD.

That trap I believe is when Babylon is lead into battle against iran.

Yes, it isn't a matter of decades anymore. Paul in 1 Thessalonians 5 says that the times and seasons will be recognized by the last generation.


"1But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness." 1 Thessalonians 5:1-5


Those who are in the light will recognize the signs and listen to God! The sudden destruction comes suddenly! The day of the LORD comes with wrath and anger! It starts with the fall of Babylon. For God even says that it is the 10 kings who fulfill His will in the destruction of Babylon, thus starting the day of the LORD. The final 7 years of the tribulation.


Revelation 14 gives us the rough outline of the end-times. It tells us the major events that happen in chronological order!

1st angel message

6And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.


(The first angel message is going out now! Jesus Christ said that the gospel must be preached in all the world first and then the end will come!)

2nd angel message

8And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

(Babylon falls next. Once the gospel is preached to all the world, the sudden destruction will come! This starts the day of the LORD)

3rd angel message

9And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus."

The mark of the beast doesn't come until after Babylon is destroyed and the beast kingdom takes over. The mark comes when the great tribulation commences. The last 3 1/2 years of this age.


When Babylon falls the fist 4 seals of Revelation 6 will be broken. This is the fist half of the tribulation. Once America is wiped off the map the whole world will change instantly. Shipping will be decimated. Trade will be decimated. War will break out around the world. Thus the riders of the apocalypse will ride and 1/4 of the worlds population will die. Nothing in the world will be the same once the sudden destruction comes upon Babylon! Thats why God said that the day of the Lord comes like a snare upon it! We have to watch and pray so that we are aware of the time and season of it's soon coming. Thus God will honor our watching and praying by leading us out and delivering us!

"34And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. 35For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. 36Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." Luke 21:34-36

Those who are watching and praying will be accounted worthy to escape! God is not a man that He should lie! Amen!

Wow! What a revelation my friend! I never saw it like that until you revealed it! That's the trap my friend! It totally lines up with the signs of the times. All the rhetoric that is going on right now is speaking about it! Your on to something! I'm going to study the scriptures now with this viewpoint in mind. I praise God for His servants! Thank you.

Yep, I also believe that mystery babylon is the USA. The proof for me was the statue of the big whore we have in new york city holding up the torch.

Oh yes, americans love their statue of liberty, but they have no idea what it really is.

Libertas was an ancient pagan goddess, and many temples and shrines were built in her "honor". The sculptor of the Statue of Liberty was Auguste Bertholdi.

He belonged to the Masonic Lodge in Paris. Before beginning the statue of liberty project, Bertholdi was seeking a commission to construct a giant statue of the goddess "Isis," the Egyptian Queen of Heaven, to overlook the Suez canal. The statue of Isis was to be of "a robed woman holding aloft a torch"

Same stuff, different day.

The idol Ishtar (represented by the Statue of Liberty) was known, in ancient Babylon, as the goddess of personal freedom and the goddess of immigrants. The following was taken from, "America the Babylon" by Richard Coombs:

Ishtar was called the matron goddess of prostitution because she promoted sexual freedom. Indeed, she had invented the concept. Slaves considered her their goddess in the hopes of winning their freedom. Many women who gained freedom later turned to prostitution to survive and thereby retained Libertas as their goddess, especially if they became priestesses in the Libertas cult. Libertas was also a goddess of war in order to fight for freedom. She was also referred at times as the goddess of victory because freedom must have victory in order to survive. This goddess was also the goddess of immigrants. The whole idea of immigration connoted the idea of freedom. Her popularity was also unique because of her unique doctrine of hearing personal prayers. This unique doctrine was something that most of the pagan deity doctrines were not disposed towards.

We know that this goddess existed because of the records left behind to us. We have the ancient writings of Cicero who writes of this goddess and her Temple on the Aventine Way in Rome. She was depicted on some Roman coins as wearing a freedom cap and having a wreath along with a spear or sometimes a sword. Such coin images were not the only depictions. Sometimes she was well robed and at other times seductively unclothed in both sculptures and paintings. We know of Libertas being referred to as the Mother of Harlots by the famous Roman historian (and senator) Cicero's writings. Cicero indicates that she was also a very early goddess of the Greeks even before early Roman civilization developed.

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Praise God that I could be of service to Him and you! Spirit recognizes spirit, thus the truth speaks plainly to those who belong to the Father! You have the Holy Spirit my friend and He will guide you in these last days. Many deceivers have gone out into the world and have led the people of God from His mountain top to hills of confusion. But God is raising up mighty men and women in these last days, in order to do exploits for Him!


"but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits. 33And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days."
Daniel 11:32-33


Just continue to seek the Master. All things will be added unto us as long as we continually put Him and His kingdom first. I pray that the words you received tonight will be embedded in your heart, mind, and soul so that at the appointed time they will give rise to confirmation from the Lord of Heaven and earth to do what He has called you to do.

God will move mountains! No human limitation will stand in the way of Gods people going to the place where He has commanded us to go! Deliverance will be in Israel! Those who have ears to hear will go to take part in it. Amen.

After researching it and comparing the scriptures with the events going on, iran is the one that is specifically raised up with other nations against Babylon

Mystery Babylon has given her hand and the saints of God have called her on it! It's only when one properly identifies who she is will one be able to rightly divide the word of truth concerning eschatology! Amen!