SERIOUS QUESTION...how long after TEOTWAWKI til it's considered OK to loot for survival sakes?

so, nobody here at glp has any thoughts on this subject???

hmm

As soon as it's 100% fact that its endgame and not some brief incident...

You will know.

thanks for your reply. i don't seem to have much luck with getting replies. it's like i'm some sort of digital pariah.

thereis an old movie called a boy and his dog starring don johnson at a very young age you will love the end

TEOTWAWKI

The
End
of
the
world
as
we
know
it... has already happened.

Where in this current evil day can children play outside unattended until the porch lights come on like we did in my youth.

Were are people of intrigty?

Were are the checks and balances??

TEOTWAWKI has already happened

I wouldn't wait at all.

My reasoning is this, a lot of food and groceries will spoil rather fast(fruit, meats, vegetables, dairy products etc.).

What's left will be crucial for short term survival, so why wait? Waiting will diminish you own chance of survival.

Do it as fast as you can, during the day time i guess. Most people will wait until light. Just make sure you arent caught and be stealthy but at the same time unsuspicious.

Excuse my confusing statement.

I ment to say most people will wait until night time to raid. To it as quickly as you can.

^^this^^. Get stuff right away, hunker down and let the big stuff blow over for a month or two, then start patrolling for more supplies if necessary.

If you're really thinking this way -

Get stuff now.

Then wait a month or two for the looters to kill each other off & waste all their ammo.

Then profit.

In a true TEOTWAWKI I believe the lifespan of a looter will be measured in hours or days. (ok son wait for him to fill up his truck, then exhale & slowly ease back on the trigger...)

I guess in a dire situation, as long as it doesn't have an obvious current owner/protector, it would be fair game.

For example, I wouldn't be in the boat of taking things from a store still operating and selling/trading what they could.

Occupied homes would be the same thing.

I'm sure the deterioration rate and events would be an easy barrometer to judge with, if it ever happened.

If you're looking at it from a personal karmic perspective; I say it would be alright to 'scavenge' at the point you realized you aren't just doing it because you can.

Yep do it asap.

Here's the logic behind that train of thought:

If you do it asap, you will probably get stuff that will help you survive longer than those that don't do it asap. Simple odds.

If you don't do it asap you might not get anything due to people who did do it as soon as possible.


BUT HERE is the clincher:

Even if you did it immediately, and it actually wasn't the end of the world, what's the worst that could happen to you? Get shot? Big deal...if the situation ever got so bad that you had to loot you might be better off dead to be quite frank. And if it was a total false alarm and society went on after the fact?

Worst that could happen is you end up in jail for awhile for breaking and entering and looting, or if the penalty was stiff enough you might end up dead...but again, if the world ever got that bad that they were killing people for stealing...then it's probably better you were dead anyway, consider it your good fortune in that circumstance.

Not really sure why people are so big on surviving the end of the world, me? I moved as close as possible to a Capitol building lol. I'd rather go instantly in the white flash than be around afterwards as the world freezes and rots...

Now for a break from GLP, going to some pretty dark places this evening in my mind, unhealthy.

Unoccupied homes may, btw, not actually be as they appear. There will be scared, possibly armed, people huddled down inside. That'll likely be where I am. I won't be scared, worried a bit maybe, but defiantly armed.

that's a good point, but for some of us, who are preparing, we won't have to worry about food for a while.

Don't forget a small emergency vent-less propane heater and a little cookstove. I think there are fittings for the Colman equipment that'll let you use the larger tanks and not just those little green one.

any idea how well these store long term? what's the shelf life on a full tank? one of the big ones?

The best time for looting is RIGHT BEFORE TEOTWAWKI. As you see the incoming comet, or ICBMs, grab a big plasma TV real quick. At least you will go out THINKING you accomplished something.

From Wiki answers: [link to wiki.answers.com]

Answer

There are a number of factors to weigh when storing a propane cylinder, but safety should be the overriding concern. Here's a short list:

Store tank outdoors in shaded area.
Do not let tank get hot or pressure will rise.
Store tank away from flame and heat.
Close valve tightly and insert safety plug when not in use, even if tank is empty.
Use only on appliances and grills approved for propane.
Check tank and line connections periodically to be sure that they are tight.
Check for leaks using detergent or soapy water - never use a match or flame.

Check these sites:

[link to www.amerigas.com]

[link to www.propane101.com]

Read more: [link to wiki.answers.com]



From Yahoo answers: [link to answers.yahoo.com]

They should be stored in a cool dry place. Propane does not have a shelf life. Meaning that it doesn't go stale like gasoline does. The only concern I would have is whether or not the relief valve would activate properly in an overpressure condition on a really old cylinder. The relief valve in tanks 5lbs and larger must be replaced at least every 10 years so I would say that would be a good safe maximum.
Source(s):
21 years experience in the propane business and a licenced gas fitter.

When the SHTF on day one i will take over my local CVS pharmacy.My buddy has the box truck.We will load it up with bottled water,drugs from the pharmacy,all the booze it can hold,canned goods,condoms,toilet paper.If its an EMP we will just live there.Front & rear entrance only,easily defended,concrete walls & high windows,roof access.Its everything you need in a relatively small space.

better do it quick cause the pro's will be at it the minute tshtf.

It's not about when to loot, but where to loot. Many places will be overlooked. Think outside the box.

Also consider fresh water. I screwed up and waited too long to order my Big Berkey water filter system. There were out of stock and, though it's ordered and paid for, it's out of stock until the end of may. The Big Berkey will purify water at a rate of 10 gallons/week for 11 and a 1/2 years on two filters. Mine cost me $265 American.

Ooops, $258 [link to www.bigberkeywaterfilters.com]

I will be laughing at you while i am eating my twinkie's and drinking a bottle of Crown Royal in my very own CVS store.

Last Edited by FUBAR on 05/04/2011 08:49 PM

How long AFTER?

The Fed, the IRS and the banks have already begun some time ago.