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Will angry voters toss out the incumbents this fall? PBS NOW examines the Tea Party Movement and disillusioned voters - Video

 
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Episode: Angry Voters
From the raucous Tea Party rallies to the painful sacrifices families are making behind closed doors, voter angst and anger are sweeping the country like a storm. Directly in its path: the 2010 midterm elections.

This week, NOW examines the strong impact this groundswell has already had on electoral politics, and what we can expect in November. Our investigation uncovers what motivates people who've come together under the Tea Party banner, and how a larger national voter dissatisfaction spells trouble for incumbents in both parties.


26 Minute episode that aired this week - WELL WORTH the watch imo peace

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if you click on the comments section there is a really great debate with many good points to thing about - on BOTH sides of the topic :-)

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26 mins aint that long... I'M IN !!!!!


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26 mins aint that long... I'M IN !!!!!


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GREAT, can't wait to hear your take onit :-) i thought it was fairly well balanced. and i am loving the debate in the comments.
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Next will be Nancy Pelosi...
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I am not a fan of PBS..But this is a good Vid...
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Thanks, I'll watch a little later when I have the time!
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Too late to change anythng now...
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I am not a fan of PBS..But this is a good Vid...
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I like a lot on PBS ( nova and nature are my favorites) & also find a lot i don't but i'm still hooked ( lately they seem to be more and more mainline agenda oriented, at least on my local station), but i agree this one was a good one :-)
glad you enjoyed it peace
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Too late to change anythng now...
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sounds like you quite have your mind made up :)

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Too late to change anythng now...



sounds like you quite have your mind made up :)

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Pretty much. If people think that "we" control anything by voting, I would only offer that they can kill any politician whenever they want, like Kennedy. So in the end "we" control nothing. Not to mention all the issues with voting and how easy it is to manipulate the electronic systems these days.
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Thanks, I'll watch a little later when I have the time!
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:-) i think (hope) you will find it interesting and would like to hear what you think of some of the issues and ideas brought up in the vid . peace
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Too late to change anythng now...

Pretty much. If people think that "we" control anything by voting, I would only offer that they can kill any politician whenever they want, like Kennedy. So in the end "we" control nothing. Not to mention all the issues with voting and how easy it is to manipulate the electronic systems these days.
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i agree with many of your points- and have to say I AM one of the disillusioned voters mentioned.I abstained from the last presidential election and only voted State/locally ... i know the system is corrupted in many ways and that we need true change-, FULL accountability of those we place in power and transparency in governmental operations ( at least those that would not endanger natl security). I think votes should be held annually for most offices - maybe even semi annually and that we should be able to immediately replace those in office if they lie,cheat or steal from the citizens or do not uphold the platform they were voted in on.

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Too late to change anythng now...



sounds like you quite have your mind made up :)

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Pretty much. If people think that "we" control anything by voting, I would only offer that they can kill any politician whenever they want, like Kennedy. So in the end "we" control nothing. Not to mention all the issues with voting and how easy it is to manipulate the electronic systems these days.
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*sigh* ok bare with me, .... I am about to contradict myself every which way :) both on your comment and the thread topic - why not go big eh ? lol

I basically agree with you, but then there is the whole "if I make my mind up that things can never be changed- then most likey, even if they were to change, I would fight it because my mind was made up" thing that I also like to hold on to.

Ok.... thnx for your patience :)

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Pretty nice video. Kind of makes you excited for Nov. midterms, both sides need to worry.
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I tried to post a mild comment explaining how the Ron Paul movement in 2007 started the Tea Party movement and PBS blocked it.

Everyone try to post comments there.
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I was surprised that PBS did this show. They're a very liberal network with many of their programs sponsored by the MacArthur Foundations (connections with old Marxist people/groups). I live by a PBS station and the people there ARE LIBERAL.
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Pretty nice video. Kind of makes you excited for Nov. midterms, both sides need to worry.
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it does - i think more will be at the polls and involved than any other recent time, it should be very interesting to see the outcome.
I hold fast to my hope that We The People will again control the govt , rather than the other way around :-).
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I tried to post a mild comment explaining how the Ron Paul movement in 2007 started the Tea Party movement and PBS blocked it.

Everyone try to post comments there.
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yikes, the debate that is raging over there is pretty heated, really surprises me they would censor a comment :-(
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Eeeeeeeeeek.. for once TFF I took notes. That does not mean I am going to be any more thought coherent ;)

now, where are those dang notes and can I read my writing ? lol

I took several things from this. I still think the ending of the vid made tea party people to look like asses.

In the beginning of the video (.27ish) ... they are still pushing pain,fear, and anxiety as strong motivators of the "tea party movement". I don't really disagree with this, but I will say there is more to it than that and I will get it as the video does.

From 1:24 through 5:06ish what really hit me were the every day hard working and elderly people discussing the crazy rise in taxes. How out of hand it has gotten. Wondering about the future of their children.

I personally wondered since people had a goal of the "American Dream" and worked towards that. What will motivate our future generations now- even if new sustainable jobs are created with taxes the way they stand ?


I also wondered about the whole "American Dream" thing... lol maybe we will save that for another day. ;)

Overall.... I really loved the term TAX REVOLT PARTY there are a few others I could think of too ( because ac 785 is right and the system is corrupt and broken from the roots ).

I have been to a few "Tea Party" events here in Austin. I have seen them growing and the people showing up don't seem to damn crazy to me- not saying there aren't a few :D They seem fed up with the lies and the BS. They seem to be waking up and expecting accountability regardless of party. That would be a step in the right direction, with a long way to go. imho.

I am not a huge fan of Dan Maloney, but I did like what he said at 15:16
"Do you think these people that come out in these Tea Parties have been coming out all along ? No. These are Americans who have been sitting in their houses screaming at their t.v.s, yelling at it- whatever, and suddenly, they have reached a breaking point where they can't take it any more. And they gotta go out and say something."



I might also throw this out there-- I Am not anti governemnt I am anti "big brother" type government and anti criminal government ;)


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I was surprised that PBS did this show. They're a very liberal network with many of their programs sponsored by the MacArthur Foundations (connections with old Marxist people/groups). I live by a PBS station and the people there ARE LIBERAL.
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I wopuldn't go so far as to say they are "Marxist" but I agree it is surprising that PBS did this show.

And since they ARE very left-leaning, I very much doubt that they will try to be fair and objective.

Basically they will paint TPers as a bunch of Racist, Anti-Government Wackos who refuse to see the "good" that Obama and (beofre Obama) Bush had to offer.
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I was surprised that PBS did this show. They're a very liberal network with many of their programs sponsored by the MacArthur Foundations (connections with old Marxist people/groups). I live by a PBS station and the people there ARE LIBERAL.
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i was surprised by a lot of the show itself- they brought up some very controversial figures and didn't vilify them - but i think in the end they were pretty clear that they think the tea partiers are kinda out there and possibly outnumbered by more "crackpots" than truly disillusioned & flat out angry citizens fed up with the corruption rampant in our system. I also liked the term Tax revolt party better than tea party, it seems more accurate and conjures less imagery of outright revolt.

Fwiw, IMO they did seem to be trying to be balanced in the presentation - it could easily have been far more slanted and cynical.
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Eeeeeeeeeek.. for once TFF I took notes. That does not mean I am going to be any more thought coherent ;)

now, where are those dang notes and can I read my writing ? lol

I took several things from this. I still think the ending of the vid made tea party people to look like asses.

In the beginning of the video (.27ish) ... they are still pushing pain,fear, and anxiety as strong motivators of the "tea party movement". I don't really disagree with this, but I will say there is more to it than that and I will get it as the video does.

From 1:24 through 5:06ish what really hit me were the every day hard working and elderly people discussing the crazy rise in taxes. How out of hand it has gotten. Wondering about the future of their children.

I personally wondered since people had a goal of the "American Dream" and worked towards that. What will motivate our future generations now- even if new sustainable jobs are created with taxes the way they stand ?


I also wondered about the whole "American Dream" thing... lol maybe we will save that for another day. ;)

Overall.... I really loved the term TAX REVOLT PARTY there are a few others I could think of too ( because ac 785 is right and the system is corrupt and broken from the roots ).

I have been to a few "Tea Party" events here in Austin. I have seen them growing and the people showing up don't seem to damn crazy to me- not saying there aren't a few :D They seem fed up with the lies and the BS. They seem to be waking up and expecting accountability regardless of party. That would be a step in the right direction, with a long way to go. imho.

I am not a huge fan of Dan Maloney, but I did like what he said at 15:16
"Do you think these people that come out in these Tea Parties have been coming out all along ? No. These are Americans who have been sitting in their houses screaming at their t.v.s, yelling at it- whatever, and suddenly, they have reached a breaking point where they can't take it any more. And they gotta go out and say something."



I might also throw this out there-- I Am not anti governemnt I am anti "big brother" type government and anti criminal government ;)


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WOWSA CI lol... you bring up so many good points i don't know where to start.

I agree with you that the American dream has turned into a waking nightmare for many in our country. I think it has taken things getting to this point to get people to realize that "united we stand, divided we fall" is more than an old axiom, it is a foretelling of the future of those who allow themselves to be divided and eventually conquered... . We have been polarized into so many segments of population- into thinking we are alone and alienated from the rest of our fellow Americans by allowing ourselves to be divided in religion,race, political party lines and so many other issues.
If we could learn to set aside the things that make us different from each other on such superficial levels and begin to SEE how similar we truly are as humans, as Americans, We would be able to once again stand side by side strong against any oppressor.



more to come- you set my mind going in about 90 directions LOL peace
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you mention the American NIGHTMARE as does the video....

" the crazy taxes"...."one tax too many"...

ok the man claimed to have at times worked 2-3 jobs and paid off his house. YAY- right?

Well........ not so much and not so fast. They also claim a $10,000 yearly property tax fee. They did not mention state required property insurance or cost of maintaining the home. I noticed they aren't exactly getting younger and don't "look" old enough for medicare so that means health insurance and medical bills...

We haven't even begun to add in the new energy tax his area just got, or the fact that businesses in this town ( in the vid) alone are closing up due to loss of jobs taxes that people can no longer afford to keep up with ( which will undoubtedly cause a deficit for the city budget).

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you mention the American NIGHTMARE as does the video....

" the crazy taxes"...."one tax too many"...

ok the man claimed to have at times worked 2-3 jobs and paid off his house. YAY- right?

Well........ not so much and not so fast. They also claim a $10,000 yearly property tax fee. They did not mention state required property insurance or cost of maintaining the home. I noticed they aren't exactly getting younger and don't "look" old enough for medicare so that means health insurance and medical bills...

We haven't even begun to add in the new energy tax his area just got, or the fact that businesses in this town ( in the vid) alone are closing up due to loss of jobs taxes that people can no longer afford to keep up with ( which will undoubtedly cause a deficit for the city budget).

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Then add to that the cost of 2 vehicles and insurance on them, gas and maintenance etc. just to get to work if you have a job.
The working class has been completely priced out of the american dream.
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Look for lots of third party (neither Demons or Repukes) to be elected to the US House this fall. That will leave the "tea party" out in the cold, as most independents have now realized its just another face of the Repukes.
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How many of the real teaparty people realy would rather repeal all the fracking federal laws and go back to the 1st Congress of 1789, but with all 50 States, and with the 13th (anti-slavery) and the 13th TONA still intact? Back before even the Whiskey rebellion.

If you really take a very close look at it we have next to no liberty or freedom now compared to those of 1800.
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Like you can really trust PBS.

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How many of the real teaparty people realy would rather repeal all the fracking federal laws and go back to the 1st Congress of 1789, but with all 50 States, and with the 13th (anti-slavery) and the 13th TONA still intact? Back before even the Whiskey rebellion.

If you really take a very close look at it we have next to no liberty or freedom now compared to those of 1800.
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Hello......



peace


Did you watch the video or read through the comments on this thread ?


I don't think anyone wants the 1800s LOL
We are taking a close look and people are not liking what they see- tea party or not.


TFF and I are looking at some more vids and ideas to discuss that may come up soon in another thread :)

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Like you can really trust PBS.

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I believe that has already been adressed in the thread.
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