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User ID: 880466 United States 02/07/2010 08:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Matt 6:After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. 10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. 11 Give us this day our daily bread. 12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. 13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen. Thu Jan 11/26 |
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(OP) User ID: 878887 United States 02/07/2010 08:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Matt 6:After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Quoting: New Jerusalem Russ10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. 11 Give us this day our daily bread. 12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. 13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen. Thu Jan 11/26 One thing I have learned in this life. Never say never. I believe that evil has exploited itself so badly that about the only thing that can happen at this juncture would be debt forgiveness. It only takes another episode, it blows up, everything stops and it is restarted again. Forgive us our debts and the world would change. It is time to awaken to your real purpose. It is all up to you. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 884697 United Kingdom 02/07/2010 10:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not gonna happen, debt is the goal. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 884650+1 Doesn't mean TPTB are going to score though! If everyone believes that they will get their way then I suppose they will... not enough people focus on the possibility that we can get through this successfully, there are alternatives to slavery, i.e. restore Common Law. The people have the power to change things but can they be bothered? apathy and the illusion of powerlessness enables the NWO. Please don't give up. [link to www.thebcgroup.org.uk] |
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(OP) User ID: 878887 United States 02/07/2010 12:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | found this interesting DURHAM HOLDING TRUST, TIAS 12087 RAISED THE FIRST ISSUES OF "ODIOUS DEBTS" SEVERAL YEARS AGO.. APPEARS SOMEONE MUST HAVE PAID ATTENTION [VKD] Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 BOGUS US DEBT INSTRUMENTS, US (CORPORATE) TRADE DEFICIT and BIGGER THAN WATERGATE INVESTIGATIONS COMING OUR WAY.. [link to www.theantechamber.net] By: VK Durham At: [link to www.theantechamber.net] As we can see, Paulson of Treasury and Bernanke of the Fed. R...are on 'the spit' attempting to resolve ..DEBT. Not so long ago..I had a conversation with AMBASSADOR LEO WANTA and we discussed matters involving the mess he is dealing with, and we further discussed the current dilemma with CHINA and RUSSIA etals.. It was suggested he contact CHINA and RUSSIA ..and we began to attempt to resolve this "global banking, financing and economic madness" ..and to please relay to Presidents HU and Putin..: The Durham Holding Trust, Tias 12087 would put up the necessary "Gold Collateral" amounting to 10 Cents on the DOLLAR..to get these matters resolved. Fist Criteria.. THE US FEDERAL RESERVE BANK must be put out of business, Federal Reserve Bank Notes must be replaced with the Constitutional Gold and Silver backed U.S. DOLLAR [U.S.D.A.] ..and the TRUST would back the U.S. Treasury.. This could be done over a long holiday ..not a single person would be effected.. the only difference.. U.S. Silver Certificate Dollars and U.S. Gold Certificate Dollars, would replace the worthless Federal Reserve Bank Notes; Then, perhaps we could all have some measure of peace and harmony, whereas Nations could go about their business peaceably.. It appears The U.S. Treasury has finally found the gumption to stop this runaway Organized Crime Group of the Federal Reserve Banking Systems..as Criminal Investigations progress rapidly into these matters of MisRepresentation by representing they were A FEDERAL AGENCY when in fact they are Private Corporations [ [link to www.fdrs.org] ], MalAdministration, Refusing GAO Access to Audit, Money Laundering and most basic and most elaborate of the provisions of R.I.C.O. Statutes as described in 18 U.S.C. Criminal Codes along with extensive investigations into BRIBERY of Public Officials such as with the 80,000 Lobbyist, including Jack Abramoff who 'bought' Congress and other Legislators for the "ability" of overthrowing and subverting the Constitutional Law of the Land thusly bribing the Judges on the Bench in the Courts of the Land ..to adjudicate 'outside' the Law of the Land setting precedents for the 'privileged' ..who participated in Acts of Sedition and actual Treason by their very acts of Violation of 18 U.S.C. Sec. 201. Bribing of Public Officials and Witnesses [ [link to www.washingtonwatchdog.org] ]. You should get very familiar with this Section 201. Regarding the Bogus US Debt Instruments (Philippine BlackOps Operation) [ [link to www.tomflocco.com] ]; We the People are all painfully aware of the ODIOUS DEBTS allegedly mounting up on those "Bogus Derivatives" put out by the GAIA-Ekker's..with the approval of the Council on Foreign Relations and Federal Reserve.. This External US (Corporate) ODIOUS DEBT has reached (Books laid out side by side for reconciliation) around $749 Trillion USD (which the Federal Reserve is responsible for). November 2006 Durham Holding Trust offered to 'settle' this ODIOUS DEBT with China and etals.. ----- Original Message ----- From: UnDisclosed To: V.K. Durham Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 8:43 PM Subject: Trade deficit Madam, As you can see I was only off almost $500billion about China´s trade deficit with the United States. There will never be a turn around in our life time of this trade imbalance. You are the only hope for getting rid of this serious problem. XXX Note: The US trade deficit just hit $686 billion (annual rate), prompting yet another round of hand-wringing, especially about American indebtedness to China. In a recent comment, economist Thomas Palley blamed the trade deficit for the alleged weakness of American economic growth, and China specifically for fueling the housing bubble by keeping US long-term interest rates low. Echoing this view, President Bush implored President Hu to do something. Mercifully, Hu promised no particular action.] ----- Original Message ----- From: V.K. Durham To: UnDisclosed Cc: V.K. DURHAM, DURHAM HOLDING TRUST, TIAS 12087 Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 9:07 PM Subject: Re: Trade deficit We can "do" that.. I figured it had just about hit 700B$.. Knew you would get the numbers.. We will be happy to do a DEBT SWAP-DEBT CONVERSION ..on the INTEREST Due on our DEBT ... That should work out nicely for Premier HU and the Liu and WU..along with the Yao families.. It most certainly will "save a lot of face".. V.K. Durham, CEO Durham Holding Trust, Tias 12087 Ask not what your Country can do for you, Ask what you can do for your Country. V.K. 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For more information go to: [link to www.law.cornell.edu] If you wish to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner. source: [link to www.theantechamber.net] [link to www.theantechamber.net] 2003 also see: # WE THE PEOPLE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR "ODIOUS DEBTS" Dec 8, 2006 ... WE the People are not responsible for 'one penny's worth of this 'Repugnant and Odious Debt of THE CROOKS and CRIMINALS IN THE OFFICES OF ... [link to www.theantechamber.net] - Similar # BOGUS/COUNTERFEIT US DEBT THE "US CORPORATE GOVT. US FEDERAL ... Dec 11, 2006 ... This ODIOUS DEBT has placed WE the People and our Nation in HARMS WAY. ... What has and is going on involves ODIOUS DEBTs of ERRANT US ... [link to www.theantechamber.net] # THE "WHO'S" AND "THEY'S" AT THE ROOT OF "GLOBAL BANKING, FINANCIAL ... This DEBT is not "under the jurisdiction" of your office President Bush, ..... trying to make the WE the People responsible for all of these ODIOUS DEBTS ... [link to www.theantechamber.net] - Cached # KNOW WHO THE "THEY'S" ARE Bye the way.. get familiar with ODIOUS DEBTS ..because these busters are going to try to slam these BOGUS DEBTS down our throats and We the People are HOLD ... [link to www.theantechamber.net] It is time to awaken to your real purpose. It is all up to you. |
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User ID: 625292 United States 02/07/2010 01:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not gonna happen, debt is the goal. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 884734+1 Well, if they forgive debt guess what most people will do? Start shopping and buying and get into debt again. It would stimulate the economy. While I do agree that most would immediately rush right back into debt, I for one would never again let myself become indebted to anyone for anything. I don't have that much hanging over my financial head, but I have learned my financial lesson. Never again. "God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787 |
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(OP) User ID: 878887 United States 02/07/2010 01:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Doctrine of Odious Debts. has been spectacularly revisited. Before the cabal's US-UK war of occupation and plunder began in Iraq in March 2003, Iraqi exiles expressed the hope that in a post-Saddam democratic Iraq, there would be a fair and equitable disposition of Saddam's debts. These Iraqis wanted the future administration of Iraq and the international community to review the debts accumulated under Saddam's regime. Those loans which had been used for benign purposes should be restructured and paid back by Iraq over a prudent time period. Those loans which were used for objectionable purposes and which did nothing to enhance the well-being or prosperity of the Iraqi population at large, should be struck off the record immediately and completely. This illustrates one of the core principles of debt forgiveness. Why should Iraqis be forced to repay the US, the British, the French, the Germans, the Russians, and all the others who had financially supported Saddam's oppression of them? The Iraqi argument for debt forgiveness had a sound basis in law. It reflects the century-old legal principle of the Doctrine of Odious Debts. Last Edited by Queen on 02/07/2010 01:03 PM It is time to awaken to your real purpose. It is all up to you. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 802656 United States 02/07/2010 01:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If they were to remove all reserve requirements for the banks, i.e. remove the historical 10:1 fractional reserve ratios and instead issue credit based on the amount of debt that has already been incurred instead of market to market assets, the major banks will retain supremacy. In other words, say JPMC has taken on $12 trillion in new loans from the Federal Reserve with questionable assets backing the zero percent loans and BOA has only taken on $8 trillion in new loans at zero percent, then the amount of credit issued to JPM would be 150% greater than what BOA could receive. Then they would disburse additional credit/liquidity to the entire banking system in lump sums and adjust the individual disbursements to the banks at the assigned ratio. |
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User ID: 625292 United States 02/07/2010 01:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This will NEVER, EVER happen for private citizens. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 582348+1 Anyone thinking for a cold second that they are going to be magically absolved of their personal debt is living in a dream world. Countries? Maybe, kinda, but individual people? Never. "God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 802656 United States 02/07/2010 01:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This will NEVER, EVER happen for private citizens. Quoting: Resister+1 Anyone thinking for a cold second that they are going to be magically absolved of their personal debt is living in a dream world. Countries? Maybe, kinda, but individual people? Never. The only problem with this scenario is that in order for banks to make money they need to make new loans. In order to make new loans there has to be demand for new loans. The consumer is tapped out. In a depression people either default on debt or pay it down and increase savings. They make new purchases from items other people are selling instead of going to Walmart. The system that has evolved has so much fat in it, that is the banks need to make new loans continuously in order to remain profitable, they are not profitable simply by receiving coupon payments on existing loans. Its all a ponzi eCONomy based solely on the demand by consumers to take on new debt. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 884779 United States 02/07/2010 07:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not gonna happen, debt is the goal. Quoting: Resister+1 Well, if they forgive debt guess what most people will do? Start shopping and buying and get into debt again. It would stimulate the economy. While I do agree that most would immediately rush right back into debt, I for one would never again let myself become indebted to anyone for anything. I don't have that much hanging over my financial head, but I have learned my financial lesson. Never again. i have not used a cc card in about 2 years and i will never own/use one again. |
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User ID: 869023 United States 02/07/2010 07:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not that I think this would ever happen for private citizens...but I would actually be kinda pissed if it happened now since our family literally just paid off our debts. BIG Badaboom! "it's not only at our doorstep, some moran has lit it on fire!" ~Anonymous Coward 919411 talking about doom |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 852493 United States 02/07/2010 07:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not gonna happen, debt is the goal. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 884779+1 Well, if they forgive debt guess what most people will do? Start shopping and buying and get into debt again. It would stimulate the economy. While I do agree that most would immediately rush right back into debt, I for one would never again let myself become indebted to anyone for anything. I don't have that much hanging over my financial head, but I have learned my financial lesson. Never again. i have not used a cc card in about 2 years and i will never own/use one again. ++++++ abunch |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 885101 United States 02/07/2010 08:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have lived frugally and responsibly all of my life, and if they decide to let all of these spendthrift,high on the hog,have everything motherfuckers off SCOTT FREE.... I just may go fucking wild and I can't predict exactly what I will do!!!!!!!!!! |