WHY THE LEFT HATES ISRAEL? (Wow! Batflaps are hating this thread!!!)

That is a lie.
I can name more than 500!!!

This is true Judaism.

What you promote is hatred not judaism.

Don't confuse the two.

You really should stop speaking on behalf of Israel and jews.

As a jew, I am asking you to please shut up

Nope.

I am not religious and do not speak on behlf of religion.
I speak on behalf of myself.

You don't like it - togh shit!

Ah yes, PLEASE shut up... again, the scripted rhetoric leaves no room to answer simple, base contradictions of itself. Heaven forbid real THOUGHT enter the discussion. No no, those with a POINT can debate. Those who hide behind the propaganda of OTHERS simply deny.

See?

Fixed that for you, hatemongering warmongerer.

Shill: Anyone who disagrees with you.

Hatemongering warmongerer: Anyone who pushes "bow down to israel" out of their mouths/fingers 24/7 like they have some vested interest.

Also see: WAR PIGS


For further reading, consult: How israel thinks the world owes them worship; How israel thinks they are "god's" "chosen people"; How israel cries like BITCHES, "oh pity us, pity us"


FUCKWIT.

Nope. You have it all upside down....

Please, by all means educate me to your above statement.

I am not for war.

Find me one post where are openely rejoice at the thought of war?

I denounce hatemongers.

I have never supported anyone who openely calls for the killing of innocents - in fact I always denounce such cases.


I ackowledge Israel's right to self defence.

And I this is the one part that you people cannot stand.

From now on I suggest you people argue each of the 5 points made by this tread.

Anything else will not be granted by a response.

Here is an example :


I think that point 1 is wrong : because

a)
b)
c)

You denounce hatemongers... and yet you call OTHERS Anti-Semite (a term which you've subsequently proven you don't even UNDERSTAND) for denouncing the hate, warmongering, racism and genocide perpetrated and PERPETUATED by the Zionist regime currently heading the State of Israel and the surrounding, illegally occupied territories.



You don't even understand what you're saying anymore! I apologize, because I DID say not worth my time, but I just CANNOT help myself. And take it as a compliment, because I'm TRYING to help YOU! I don't even care to try and change your OPINION, because it's blatantly obvious that you don't HAVE one. I'm simply trying to help you make less of a fool of yourself. Sadly, I doubt it will work.

Ah well, I guess to some, drawing ridicule is better than drawing no attention at all. Pitiful, but if that's what you aspire to, then pitiful you will remain.

Please prove that Israel is guilty of genocide.

You can't simply because it is not true.

Therefore the entirety of your argument is based on lies.



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No, foolish one, it would only indicate that ONE portion of my argument is based on a possible falsity, not ALL of it. And again, as you are well aware, the point of the statement was YOUR lack of logic or original thought. However, if you REQUIRE feeding:

Research the Bolshevik Revolution; or read this article [link to www.wrmea.com] ; or simply look at what is being done to the Palestinian populace AS WE SPEAK.

gen·o·cide (jěn'ə-sīd')
n. The systematic and widespread extermination or attempted extermination of an entire national, racial, religious, or ethnic group.

You like quotes, there you go. Oh, and that is the DICTIONARY version of the definition, not the definition as stated in the Geneva Convention, which is even MORE comprehensive, and shows in CLEAR terms that the Israeli regime, using the IDF, is comitting EXACTLY what defines genocide.

But like last time... stop deflecting. Here's the difference... I've ANSWERED you every time, yet you haven't answered ONE of my questions, so I'll pose you this... if you CANNOT or WILL not answer my questions, be mature about NOT being able to answer them, or even come up with an original point, WHY DON'T YOU SHUT UP FOR GOOD? Get OUT of these threads, GROW A BRAIN, and come back when you're capable of thought?

But you won't do that... Your whole POINT is to have no point... very Zen, I'm sure, but not too bright.

God knows what He's doing and He's going to perform His will despite the many machinations of men -- Jew and gentile

the fact is a nation was born in a day just as He said it would be, it is full of His covenant people disobedient though they are, and they are surrounded by bitter enemies just as the Bible said will happen. it is happening.

there are a BUNCH of prophecies being fulfilled right before the world's eyes -- some see and believe most don't. the Bible also tells of this.

Damascus will be destroyed as prophesied in isaiah 17. no amount of hand wringing or crying will change the Word of God. this city has continually existed for 4000 years but within no time will become a smoldering heap. maybe today or tomorrow. maybe not for a month or several years. fact is the Bible says it will happen and God is faithful to perform His Word -- it will happen. if I lived there I might move.

exact nations prophesied over 2500 years ago are lined up against Israel. yes Iran is specifically mentioned. this would be like one of us predicting a big war in 4500 ad. none of us could possibly begin to know what nations will exist in 4500 ad, nor their geopolitical alignments. but there they are lined out in Ezekiel 38-9. and as they attack Israel, they will be destroyed.

we are told to pray for the peace of Jerusalem, that burdensome stone. the abrahamic covenant whereby the Lord will bless those who bless his descendents still stands. and those who curse them will still be cursed, even these thousands of years later. the covenant was never annulled. I would point out that the Arabs are included as children of Abraham via Ishmael. I wouldn't mess with Jews or Arabs. I would recommend blessing BOTH.

but the covenant line proceeded through Isaac and Jacob -- Jacob became Israel as he struggled with God. Israel means struggles with God. God will deal with Israel Himself, He doesn't need any help from us. yet some remain so blind to Scripture and insist on taking things into their own hands.

this is pride; it will fail. presumption. the Bible speaks clearly against it throughout. the battle is the Lord's, those who serve Him are best off yielding to His will -- praying, studying the Bible, engaging in active fellowship with believers, preaching the gospel, and striving to be conformed to the image of Christ by His Holy Spirit.

the Lord's Word will not return to Him void -- He has told us the end from the beginning through His prophets -- His arm is not shortened and He will be proven true even if every man is proved a liar.

hating ANYBODY is a bad idea -- we are rather commanded to love the Lord our God, and our neighbor as ourself. and this includes our perceived ENEMIES.

I recommend prayer, and Bible study. and see how many times God has fulfilled what He said He would do throughout history, over and over time and time again. this will continue I fully believe

love peace and joy

rb

just passing by...wanted to say hi!...I see you are surrounded today...

False accusation of genocide totally invalidate any argument you may have.



Bolshevik revolution has nothing to do with the middle east.
Off topic!




Indeed - All you can accuse Israel is of systematically trying to avoid civilian casualty.

-Palestinian populations have the highest rate of growth in the entire middle east

-Less Palestinian have been killed in 60 years of Israeli conflict than Palestinians who have been killed by their own Arab brothers.

-Israel has a thriving Arab Israelli population.




Link? Please show me which part of the Geneva convention proves that Israel is committing war crimes?
I can guaranty you that you will be unable to show anything to prove this point.



No deflection - I'm a reasonable guy - provide reasonable arguments.




I have answered the question - I go by the definition of antisemitism as defined by Wikipedia.





Nope. Never.



Ok - well - we're still stuck at your fanciful unproven accusations of genocide...

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Hi Gaia!!! :)
They seem really angry at this thread for some reason!

Hahaha! I cooked a huge meal and watched the entire Super Bowl and come back and they are still at it!

JADR, just ignore them and let it pass. There is no help for stupid.

16 pages.....I wonder what is that attracts them so so strong?

The word LEFT on the title? ..nah..

I think might be the word HATES calling them to have their daily food....they are just looking where to fill themselves.

She is right...lol..

No, we aren't, because there is as much proof provided above as there is proof of the Holocaust. Furthermore, there was no stipulation of the Middle East in ANY previous conversation... again, deflect the proof with preconditions not stated? Not likely.

You have been deflecting, and you NEVER answered my question. As you are well aware, I requested a PERSONAL definition of Anti-Semitism, which you CANNOT provide. You avoided my question, and didn't answer anything. You can't deny, or twist, the facts in this case. You obviously have no training in logic... not your fault, and I certainly don't blame you for that. And while you certainly stick to SOMEBODY ELSE'S guns, you've yet to show any real sign of being reasonable. Shame, because I SOMETIMES get the sense that behind the rhetoric there's a decent mind... I think it's sad that you strive to hide it.

"Since 1997 the Arab group at the United Nations has been trying to invoke the Fourth Geneva Convention against Israel, in regard to its settlements in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, and in particular at Har Homa in Jerusalem. The UN General Assembly has adopted a number of non-binding resolutions condemning Israeli settlements, and calling for a convening of the signatory nations of the Fourth Geneva Convention. In February 1999, the GA adopted a resolution calling for a special UN session to be held on July 15, 1999, in Geneva to examine "persistent violations" by Israel.

Israel rejects the interpretation of the Fourth Geneva Convention applying it to Israeli settlements in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, stating that those territories were captured in 1967 as a result of a defensive war against countries which had illegally occupied them since 1948."

And again, we do not see "Israel denies allegations, providing proof." No, we see "Israel rejects the interpretation of the Fourth Geneva Convention"

So, again, much in the same way as YOU deflect truth here, Israel has said "It applies, just not to US."

You can't have it both ways...

absurd you know better than that. denial fukwad

you are right!!!

EXACTLY! If you can't think for yourself, have no real answers, or facts, and yet INSIST that you're right... then IGNORE those that might open the eyes of others to your pitiful lack of real belief, knowledge OR conviction.

Do as you've obviously done with SO much knowledge, both historical and present... let it pass.

Israelis and Palestinians Muslims, Christian and Jews.
Jerusalem is ours, Israelis and Palestinians Muslims, Christian and Jews.



Our Jerusalem is a mosaic of all the cultures, all the religions and all the periods that enriched the city, from the earliest antiquity to this very day - Canaanites and Jebusites and Israelites - Jews and Hellenes Romans and Byzantines, Christians and Muslims, Arabs and Mamelukes, Othmanlis and Britons, Palestinians and Israelis.
They and all the others who made their contribution to the city have a place in the spiritual and physical landscape of Jerusalem.
Our Jerusalem must be united open to all and belonging to all its inhabitants, without borders and barbed-wire in its midst.
Our Jerusalem must be the capital of the two states that will live side by side in this country, West Jerusalem the capital of the State of Israel and East Jerusalem the capital of the State of Palestine.
Our Jerusalem must be the Capital of Peace