WHY THE LEFT HATES ISRAEL? (Wow! Batflaps are hating this thread!!!)

I answered you but you seem incapable of grasping it ??

Own up to what you are ...

There is no disgrace in standing by your opinions...

Don't be a coward.

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the above sums it up in a quick and accurate synopsis.

No, fool, you QUOTED at me... the refuge of a desparate individual with no recourse to intellect.

I can only assume you aren't as idiotic as you pretend to, JADR, so you know FULL well you haven't answered me, and refuse to. I can only assume from that, as pointed out, that your script doesn't cover the question, but you haven't reached a point in your indoctrination where independent thought is allowed.

Sorry about that.

dont forget the above...its very important.

I have answered you. If you can't grasp the answer - there is nothing I can do for you.

notice how Jadr ignores the above points ?

the tribe dont like being revealed.

hehehehehe

How Do The Settlers Obstruct The Peace Process?


Ever since Moshe Levinger has deployed the first group of settlers in Hebron, by ways of deception and mendacity (they promised the military governor that they were only going there to conduct a Seder Pessach ceremony), all the settlements are aimed at a single political objective: to forestall any possibility of peace with the Palestinians. The opponents of peace know very well that such peace could only be established if Israel allows the Palestinian people to build their state in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. The settlements were intended to create a reality which would preclude the possibility of ever returning these territories to the Palestinians.
This objective is clearly manifested in the field: Most of the settlements have been established on top of hills, like outguards overlooking the area, also in order to provoke the Palestinians, whose villages are usually built downhill.
The intention is to control, and so is the result. The implication: A small minority in the Israeli public imposes its will on the entire state, and dictates to the overwhelming majority an endless war.

Own up to the fact that you are an antisemite.

Don't be a coward.

Ah, so cute!

I'll give you this, JADR... you amuse me. You try to speak like a grownup, but then you act like a child. Won't admit to being WRONG, can't answer the question. You HAVEN'T answered me, you've quoted someone else. And you WON'T answer me, because you have NO IDEA OF THE ANSWER. But you JUST can't face the thought of saying "I don't KNOW."

To everyone else posting, I would suggest that you not bother trying to change this person's "convictions," for it's very clear that the person in question HAS none.

No longer worth my time.

watch Jadr ignore the points below :

all we have to do is accept the programming..

if the chosen ones wish to point out evils of iranians or muslims or Iran, then there is no racism involved in that

but if gentiles point out evils of zionism, jews or israel, then you are a bad...

NAZI ANTI-SEMITE RACIST.

GET WITH THE PROGRAMMING PEOPLE...AND DONT BOTHER TO RECOIGNIZE THE DOUBLE STANDARDS ANBD ABSURIDTIES OF SUCH PROGRAMING.,

It's not my fault you do not like the definition I gave you.
It is quite a complete definition - and I stand by every word of it.

Thank you for leaving this thread.

How can no one not see the above points are so far and unbiased ?

ROFL .

fair *

JERUSALEM POST LIES TO JUSTIFY ITS WITCH HUNT AGAINST THE LEFT



The Jerusalem Post has canceled Naomi Chazan’s biweekly column, after she and the New Israel Fund of which she is president threatened legal action against the paper over a recent advertisement.
The decision was taken by Jerusalem Post management after a legal threat was received at the paper from the NIF and Chazan’s lawyers.

Along with other publications, the Post last Sunday carried an advertisement criticizing Chazan and the New Israel Fund in the context of the Goldstone Report on Operation Cast Lead.

In Friday’s paper, the Post carried an advertisement defending the NIF and Chazan against their critics.

[link to www.uruknet.info]

A SAMPLING OF FAMOUS PEOPLE ACCUSED BY JEWS TODAY OF "ANTI-SEMITISM"



Romans: Cicero, Tacitus, Juvenal, Quintilian,

"Egyptians, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Syrians, Greeks, Romans, Arabs" [HERTZLER, p. 67]

Voltaire (the father of "tolerance"), "Enlightenment thinkers without exception subscribed to this image of Jewish inferiority," [SORKIN, DAVID, p. 85], Jewish Enlightenment philosopher Baruch Spinoza: "[Jews] separated themselves from every nation as to draw upon themselves universal hate." [LEVY, p. 53]

"Virtually every major figure in the early history of socialism -- including Friedrich Engels, Charles Fourier, Ferdinand Lasalle, Karl Marx, and Joseph Proudhon showed a marked antipathy to Jews." [PIPES, DANIEL, 1997, p. 80]

"Enlightenment thinkers (Voltaire), arch-conservatives (de Mositre, de Bonald), socialists and communists (Fourier, Proudhon, Marx, Sobel), and the great Romantics (Goethe)." [SPIEWAK, P., p. 51], Immanuel Kant,

Prominent European socialists Charles Fourier, Alphonse Tousenel, Pierre Le Roux, Joseph Proudhon, Johann Gottlieb Fichte,

Russian anarchist Mikhail Bakunin, Nietzche, philosopher Martin Heidegger, psychologist Karl Jung,

Thomas Jefferson, Ulysses S. Grant, top Civil War generals William T. Sherman and Benjamin Butler, John Quincy Adams, General George S. Patton, Pat Buchanon, (former presidential candidate) Robert Dole, Richard Nixon (and his vice-president Spiro Agnew), Thomas Paine (revolutionary war hero of "Common Sense" fame),

William Shakespeare, Chaucer, Christopher Marlowe, Charles Dickens, Byron Scott, William Blake,

Poet John Dryden,
from: Absalom and Achitophel :
"The Jews, a headstrong, moody, murm'ring race,
As ever tri'd th'extent and stretch of grace;
God's pamper'd people whom, debauch'd with ease,
No king could govern, nor no God could please;"

Ralph Waldo Emerson, William Cullen Bryant, Oliver Wendell Holmes, Edgar Allen Poe, Nathaniel Hawthorne, Herman Melville, George Bernard Shaw, James Fenimore Cooper, Julia Ward Howe, Francis M. Crawford ("one of the most successful novelists of the late nineteenth century"), "Mother Goose,"

Alexander Solzhenitsyn, Celine, Baudelaire, Montesquieu, Trollope, Dostoyevsky, Aleksander Pushkin, Denis Diderot, Guy de Maupassant, George Sand,

Thomas Mann, Edward Bulwer-Lytton, James Russell Lowell, Aubrey Beardsley, Ernest Renan, William Thackeray, British explorer and adventurer Richard Burton,

folklorist Joseph Campbell (accused of antisemitism after he died), George Orwell, Ezra Pound, Mark Twain, Frank Norris, Ernest Hemingway, Graham Greene, Evelyn Waugh, E. E. Cummings, Henry Miller, F. Scott Fitzgerald, Henry James, T. S. Eliot, William Faulkner, Edith Wharton, Willa Cather, Katherine Ann Porter, Sylvia Plath, H. L. Mencken, Henry Adams, H.G. Wells, Theodore Dreiser,

filmmakers Michael Moore and Rainer Werner Fassbinder, chief editor of the Dead Sea Scrolls Dr. John Strugnell, film producer William Quigley (who won a $10.5 million lawsuit against the Anti-Defamation League for calling him an "anti-Semite,"

Edgar Degas, Pierre Renoir, Rodin, Richard Wagner, John Singer Sergeant, (Swedish cartoonist) Lars Hillersberry, John Sebastian Bach, Chopin,

Gore Vidal, Truman Capote, Richard Kostelanetz, John Cheever, William Styron, Ronald Dahl, British novelist John le Carre,

African-Americans: Michael Jackson, Jesse Jackson, Louis Farrakhan, poet Amiri Baraka, author Judy Simmons, Wilbert Tatum (publisher of New York City's African-American newspaper "Amsterdam News," various rap stars, Whoopi Goldberg, Jesse Jackson (his notorious "Hymietown" remark), South African Archbishop and activist against apartheid Desmond Tutu, New York Knicks basketball player Charlie Ward, John Hohrn (an African-American official at the Mississippi film commission),

Charles De Gaulle, (French socialist president) Francois Mitterand, underwater explorer Jacques Costeau, Abbey Pierre (French religious hero of the impoverished), Genet,

Mahatma Gandhi (per comments about Israel), Canadian hockey star Bobby Hull, Dolly Parton, Kathy Lee Gifford, singer Shirley Bassey ("Goldfinger"),

(J. R. Tolkien and James Joyce came close, got scrutinized, but passed as kosher. Hilary Clinton (!) was accused, but it didn't stick, Marlon Brando periodically touches the borderline; media mogul Ted Turner even had to apologize to the Jewish community for -- in their eyes -- trivializing the word "Nazi"),

Lesbians/Feminists: Z. Budapest, Rita Mae Brown, Bertha Harris, Norta Koertge,

chess great Bobby Fischer, Joaquim Agut (chairman of the Terro Lycos Internet company,

Christian leaders Billy Graham, Jerry Falwell, and Korean-born Reverend Moon,

Thomas Edison, Charles Lindbergh, Henry Ford,

A long article at a Jewish website even indicts the entirety of the "New Age" movement as anti-Jewish and therefore anti-Semitic, including:

the "Arcane School, Seven Rays Institute, Anthroposophy, Waaldorf School, Theosophical Society, Transcendental Meditation, A Course in Miracles (interfaith group), New Thought Courses, Silva Mind Control, New Acropolis, Scientology, to name a few." Caught in this net for spreading anti-Jewish thoughts is also Margaret Mead, "pop singers John Denver and Judy Collins," Montessori schools, Greenpeace, the Sierra Club, Bread for the World, UNESCO, World Council of Churches, Maharishi Yogi, George Gurjhoff, Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, Buckminister Fuller, among many others.

A few years ago, the Jewish Anti-Defamation League was found to be keeping files on many political groups, including the following: Greenpeace, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, Mills College of Oakland (California), and the United Farm Workers, among others.

Jews ("self-hatred" version of antisemitism): Theodore Herzl ("father" of Zionism), Jerome Weidman, Wittgenstein, Kurt Tucholsky, Philip Roth, Budd Schulberg, former chancellor of Austria Bruno Kreisky, and famed filmmaker Stanley Kubrick who is alleged to have said "Hitler was right about almost everything." Frank Collin (father: Cohen) planned a famous Nazi march in Skokie, Illinois, and Daniel Burros, King Kleagle of the New York Ku Klux Klan commited suicide after a newspaper exposed the fact that he was Jewish. The perjorative word "kike" was even created by uptown New York Jews to describe the masses of Eastern European Jews coming to America in the late 1800s.

Conversely, if you say too many nice things about Jews, you're still in trouble, because it's a problem for Richard L. Rubenstein: "Philo-Semitism is as unrealistic and pernicious as anti-Semitism, for it destroys our most precious attribute, our simple humanity." [RUBINSTEIN, R., p. 21]

But Jean Paul Sartre, the famous French existentialist, gets the Jewish Tribal Review award for the most ludicrous of "anti-Semitism" accusations: Sartre had went out of his way to write an entire volume attacking anti-Semitism, yet that very volume has been attacked by more than one Jew as itself an expression of anti-Semitism.





"War for the bourgeoisie was already revolting enough, but war for the Jews now! I can't find any adjectives that are really sufficiently phlegm-covered, sufficiently myriakilogrammatically full of shit, of green decay of corpses to describe to you what this means." -L.F. Celine in *Bagattelles pour un massacre*, p58 (tr. Merlin Thomas)

"In fact, cock-a-doodle-doo Frenchmen, you'll go off to war at the moment chosen by M. le baron de Rothschild, your lord and absolute master...at the hour fixed, in full accord with his sovereign cousins in London, New York and Moscow. It's M. de Rothschild, he, who will sign your decree of General Mobilization, via the intermediary, via the quivering pen of his puppet-lackey-minister." -ibid., p177

(Sent in by a JTR reader)

Don't forget that you aren't allowed to criticize Israel EVEN if you are a jew!!

Think Norman Finklestein, Judge Goldstone, etc.

Here is the official masada S.H.I.T. list (that is self hating and israel threatening}

[link to www.masada2000.org]

Naomi Chazan’s openly supports terrorists.
And I don't see you criticizing the fact that Haaretz fired all of it's conservative columnists...

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Norman Frankenstein Openly supports Hizbollah...

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The godless leftie pukes hate God so of course they will despise God's chosen people. It's not that difficult.

she supports the endless and illegal land confiscations by the IDF, and Israeli government ?

are terrorists the new antisemites i.e. someone you don't like?

seems that way , anyone you don't like seems to be a terra rist supporter ......

maybe some people realize the idiocys and lies of claiming to have a all fair and unbiased god, who also supposedly has a special chosen race of people.

gee, imagine that, using logic to see thru lies and double standards.

go back to sleep or read your bible some more.

heres the link to the whole book.
[link to www.vho.org]

Here's what its about.
Professor A. R. Butz was the first (and so far the only) writer to treat the entire Holocaust complex from the Revisionist perspective, in a precise scientific manner. This book exhibits the overwhelming force of historical and logical arguments which Revisionism had accumulated by the middle of the 70s. This new edition comes with several supplements adding new information.

The first book to treat the central questions of the Holocaust allegation -- the evidence for a German extermination program, for mass killings by poison gas, and for the deaths of some six million Jews -- with academic rigor, The Hoax of the Twentieth Century created Holocaust revisionism as a discipline with its appearance in 1976. Few professional historians could have devised the brilliant investigative strategy that is central to The Hoax: author Arthur Butz's focus on the information long available to the Allies on the operations of Auschwitz, a strategically important petrochemical center (Butz correctly surmised the existence of U.S. aerial photos of the camp years before it was admitted). The Hoax's several chapters on the question of Allied knowledge of Auschwitz have busied orthodox experts for nearly three decades with trying to explain how mass operations seem to have gone unnoticed for several years -- to no avail. The Hoax remains at the center of the revisionist inquiry, valuable even in those few areas in which it has been superseded by subsequent revisionist research: a book that, especially in this handsome new design and printing, needs to be read, and re-read, then read again, by every serious revisionist.



Many of the facts they present are compelling. For instance, no one can really pinpoint where the "six million" figure arose and the sheer logistics of murdering six million people (during a war where supplies and manpower were scarce) are hard to swallow.

The attacks on Mr. Butz are disturbing. This author is entitled to express his views. The Holocaust is the ONLY event in history that one is forbidden from questioning or probing. Why??? Why is this event any different from the many other genocides that have been committed in history? (For instance, the mass murder committed by Bolsheviks during the Russian Revolultion, to name only one.) In terms of numbers, Stallin killed a staggering twenty million individuals yet we are taught that the Holocaust is unique. Well, it isn't any more disturbing then other mass murders in history. If other historical events are open to scholarly debate and questioning, why should the Holocaust be treated any differently? If the facts about the Holocaust all have merit, they will be proven true in the marketplace of ideas -- why the need to censor Mr. Butz?

I applaud Arthur Butz for the courage to question the "facts" that have been force-fed on the world for the past fifty years. This book is a must-read.

You see, folks? It's BEAUTIFULLY typical, and demonstrative of the mindset.

JADR doesn't even bother to play SEMANTIC games, just ignores the question entirely, then pretends to have answered it.

This is key, because it is how MOST people who spout rhetoric without understanding it tend to behave. They'll wait until they think it's been long enough that people aren't paying attention, and then RIGOROUSLY state that they have, in fact, "answered" the question.

In this case, as you can all see, the "person" TOTALLY ignores both the form and thrust of the question, proving a lack of both knowledge and conviction concerning the subject matter.

Sad, really. And incidentally, I don't recall saying I was GOING anywhere, but doesn't the small-minded "person" just JUMP at the hope that the critical voice of reason is leaving?

As I said, typical.

I agree that the grumpy scribe needs to read his bible some more cause he seems to have missed some big parts of it.

the jews were god's chosen people because that was the line that he was bringing jesus through.
when the jews stopped being obedient, they were disinherited. The Christians are now heir to the promise. Of course, as the originals, it is easy for the jews to get back into good standing but they have to recognize Jesus as the messiah.

God is the only one who can bring the jews (and Christians) back into Israel. It is not for the jews to end their exile. Have you seen the Torah? Tanakh???

Ask Neturei Karta about the REAL status of jews, judaism and the land of israel.

[link to www.nkusa.org]

They will explain how REAL jews see the occupation of the holy land.

And proof. Ah, it's just like fishin' for bullfrogs... don't even need a hook!

please comment jadr about the Neturei Karta--

WHAT IS THE NETUREI KARTA?

Neturei Karta opposed the establishment of and retain all opposition to the existence of the so-called "State of Israel"!

Neturei-Karta is the Aramaic term for "Guardians of the City. The name Neturei-Karta originates from an incident in which R. Yehudah Ha-Nassi (Rabbi Judah the Prince) sent R. Hiyya and R. Ashi on a pastoral tour of inspection. In one town they asked to see the "guardians of the city" and the city guard was paraded before them. They said that these were not the guardians of the city but its destroyers, which prompted the citizens to ask who, then, could be considered the guardians. The rabbis answered, "The scribes and the scholars," referring them to Tehillim (Psalms) Chap. 127. (Jerusalem Talmud, Tractate Hagiga. 76c).

The name was given to a group of Orthodox Jews in Jerusalem who refused (and still refuse) to recognize the existence or authority of the so-called "State of Israel" and made (and still make) a point of publicly demonstrating their position, the position of the Torah and authentic unadulterated Judaism.

The group was founded in Jerusalem, Palestine in 1938, splitting off from Agudas Yisroel. Agudas Yisroel was established in 1912 for the purpose of fighting Zionism. Gradually lured by money and honor they sold out to the "Golden-Calf" (see Exodus, XXXII) of Zionism. Those who wanted to maintain their faith and continue the struggle against Zionism, dissociated themselves from Agudas Yisroel and associated parties.

Over the years, a number of Neturei Karta activists and followers settled outside of Palestine. Some of the reasons that these individuals abandoned the country in which they and their families had lived for many generations (having lived there many years prior to the establishment of the illegitimate so-called "State of Israel") include; ideological refusal to live under the illegitimate heretical "Israeli" regime, them being exiled by the Zionist government for their insistence of remaining independent of the illegitimate heretical regime or them being unable to live a normal family life due to them and their families being persistently harassed, repeatedly incarcerated and many times even physically tortured by the Zionist police and agents. This dispersion resulted in the emergence of various Neturei Karta establishments on the broader international scene. These establishments include synagogues, educational institutions, publishing houses and organizations. The establishments in New York include three synagogues in Brooklyn (Boro Park and Williamsburg), three upstate, and organizations include the Friends of Jerusalem in NY, NY.

Neturei Karta is not - as is often alleged - a small sect or an extremist group of "ultra-orthodox" Jews. The Neturei Karta have added nothing to nor have they taken anything away from the written and oral law of the Torah as it is expressed in the Halacha and the Shulchan Aruch. The Neturei Karta are fighting the changes and inroads made by political Zionism during the past one-hundred odd years. Guided by the rabbis of our time and under the inspiring leadership of the late Reb Amram Blau, the Neturei Karta refuse to recognize the right of anyone to establish a "Jewish" state during the present period of exile.

There are those who wish to play down the Neturei Karta and its' Torah-true beliefs. This has been attempted many a time by stating that the Neturei Karta is a minority group and that compared to other Jewish groups the Neturei Karta aren't even noticeable in terms of number.

The name Neturei Karta is a name usually given to those people who regularly pray in the Neturei Karta synagogues (Torah Ve'Yirah Jerusalem, Torah U'Tefillah London, Torah U'Tefillah NY, Beis Yehudi Upstate NY, etc.), study in or send their children to educational institutions run by Neturei Karta, or actively participate in activities, assemblies or demonstrations called by the Neturei Karta. Although it is true that the number of families which could be classified as Neturei Karta members or activists per-se is relatively small (several thousand), the number of Orthodox Jews who believe in the anti-Zionist ideology which Neturei Karta is known for, number in the hundreds of thousands.

Neturei Karta oppose the so-called "State of Israel" not because it operates secularly, but because the entire concept of a sovereign Jewish state is contrary to Jewish Law.

All the great rabbis who in accordance with Jewish Law opposed Zionism at its inception did not do so merely due to consideration of the secular lifestyles of the then Zionist leaders or even for their opposition to Torah heritage and rejection of its values and practices, but due to the fact that the entire concept of a Jewish state is in direct conflict with a number of Judaism's fundamentals.

Condemnation of and segregation from anything connected to or affiliated with the so-called modern day "State of Israel" is based on the Talmud, the key fundamental doctrine of the Oral Tradition handed down by G-d to Moses on Mt. Sinai. The Talmud in Tractate Kesubos (p. 111a), teaches that Jews shall not use human force to bring about the establishment of a Jewish state before the coming of the universally accepted Moshiach (Messiah from the House of David). Furthermore it states that we are forbidden to rebel against the nations and that we should remain loyal citizens and we shall not attempt to leave the exile which G-d sent us into, ahead of time.

Jews are not allowed to dominate, kill, harm or demean another people and are not allowed to have anything to do with the Zionist enterprise, their political meddling and their wars.

Neturei Karta forbid any participation with the so-called "State of Israel" or any of its subsidiaries. Neturei Karta followers do not participate in "Israeli" elections nor do they accept any aid from "Bituach Le'Umi" (Social Security), and the educational institutions of the Neturei Karta reject any form of financial support from the so-called "Va'ad HaYeshivos" (equiv. to Department of Education).

The Zionist state employs a set of chief rabbis and uses religious parties to ornament their state with a clerical image. They study the Torah with commentaries altered to clothe the words with nationalistic nuances. Our rabbis have countless times proclaimed that it matters little which individuals or parties govern in the Zionist state because the very establishment and existence of the state itself is to be condemned and to be deplored.

The true Jews remain faithful to Jewish belief and are not contaminated with Zionism.

The true Jews are against dispossessing the Arabs of their land and homes. According to the Torah, the land should be returned to them.

Neturei Karta deplore the systematic uprooting of ancient Jewish communities by the Zionists, the shedding of Jewish and non-Jewish blood for the sake of Zionist sovereignty and the Neturei Karta favor a peaceful transition from the present Zionist rule to a non-Zionist entity.

According to Judaic Law the Torah has the last word. There is no such thing as a majority of Jews who happen to be Jewish by birth who can alter Torah Law in any way. In fact even the greatest rabbi or as Maimonides writes, "even the greatest prophet" [referring actually to an authentic prophet], has no right to distort or amend even one letter of the Torah.

Rabbi Blau stated shortly before his death that the acceptance by the United Nations of the Zionist state as a member state constituted a grave injustice to the Jewish people. Neturei Karta hope that this great error will be corrected at the earliest opportunity. The Neturei Karta regret that the Zionist state has usurped the holy name of Israel and that the Zionists so often pretend to speak in the name of the Jewish people and assume the right to act on our behalf. Only those rabbis who have not been affected or influenced by the poison of Zionism, can be considered the spiritual leaders of today's Jewry.

The world must know that the Zionists have illegitimately seized the name Israel and have no right to speak in the name of the Jewish people!

This group has about 500 members. I don't care much for what religious waccos think ..