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WHY THE LEFT HATES ISRAEL? (Wow! Batflaps are hating this thread!!!)

 
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REASON # 1: Israel is pro-American.

To site but one example, in the UN General Assembly, Israel votes with America more than any other nation. Well, you may say, isn't that because Israel is a major recipient of our foreign aid? But so is Egypt, and it rarely votes with us at the UN or supports our foreign policy initiatives.

Israel is an American ally because it shares our values: democracy, respect for human rights, religious tolerance, the free market and an open society.

But its very support for America makes it suspect in the eyes of the left, which is intrinsically anti-American. Since the left views America as the major repository of evil in the world, it stands to reason that it would have essentially the same view of our embattled allies. Just as it considers America a corrupt, repressive, racist, bully it follows that those nations / governments aligned with us are seen as similarly tainted.

In other words, the left hates Israel for the same reason the left hates America.

REASON #2: Arafat and his thugs, Hamas and Islamic Jihad, are seen as another national liberation movement the Middle East equivalent of the Viet Cong and Sandinistas.

Prior to World War II, the stated goal of Marxism was liberating oppressed classes, workers and peasants. When that enterprise failed spectacularly (witness 30 million dead in the Soviet Union and 50 million murdered in the People's Republic of China), Marxists moved on to national liberation freeing oppressed people from colonial exploiters.

For the left, Palestinians and Israelis fit this paradigm perfectly. The Palestinians are living on land they claim as their's but don't fully control. We are told that they're oppressed, subjugated, denied a nation of thier own. Liberals don't examine the validity
of that claim. They don't ask how the Palestinians got there. They don't look at their record with the limited self-government they have. They don't ask what will happen to the rest of Israel once its border is 8-miles wide at its narrow waist and with the Palestinians armed with rockets and mortars-controlling the high ground of Judea and Samaria -- allied with Syria, Iran, and Iraq.

All they know is the Palestinians are "An indigenous people." The Israelis are denying them elf-determination. That's all they want to know.

Actually, if Ariel Sharon wore fatigues and had a three-day growth, he'd probably improve his standing with the left.

REASON #3: Along the same lines, the Middle East conflict is seen as a power struggle between a Third World people and a transplanted European colonial power.

Thanks to multiculturalism, the left believes that morality is determined by ethnicity and income. Compared to Israelis, most Palestinians are relatively poor. For the left, poverty is a mark of virtue.

It's quite true that Israeli society reflects the Western values mentioned earlier, not withstanding that today many Israelis are sephardim, Jews whose families have lived in the region for millennia.

Whether it's strikers vs. corporate executives, cops vs. accused, the homeless vs. the middle class, black vs. white, oil companies vs. caribou, the left invariably sides with those it perceives as victims. For liberals, life is an endless psychodrama pitting horrible "haves" against saintly "have-nots."

Israel does indeed have the heavy weapons. On the other hand, the Palestinians have the support of the entire oil-rich, populous, armed-to-the-teeth Arab world. Are the Saudi oil shieks who support the destruction of Israel the wretched of the earth? Is Saddam Hussein, who pays a bounty to the families of suicide bombers? Are Syria, Iraq and Iran powerless? When viewed in isolation, the Palestinians appear to be the underdog. However, when they are properly preceived as an advanced column for
the Moslem Arab world, they are hardly an embattled people.

REASON #4: Israel is a Jewish State.

The left is notoriously hostile to religion. (This includes the religious left, which long ago abandoned salvation for social action).
Not all religion, but Western religion. Islam which is viewed as a Third World religion, a religion of the downtrodden has become the liberal's special pet, ironically, given that its agenda isn't exactly synonymous with that of the National Organization for Women and the Gay and Lesbian Advocates and Defenders.

On the other hand just as conservative Christians are drawn to Israel because they see Biblical prophecy therein confirmed, the left is repulsed for the same reason.

In an era of science and socialism, the G-D of the Bible, the G-D of Christians and Jews, was supposed to disappear. But more than any other phenomenon, the existence of the modern state of Israel after 2,000 years of exile, despite overwhelming odds challenges that assumption.

Thus many on the left, who also view the founding of Israel as an injustice, would be happy to see all of the Jews pack up and move somewhere else. The idea of a Jewish State offends their universalism. For a nation to be a Moslem state is fine. But for a country to be a Jewish state is just too particularistic.

REASON #5: It is an article of faith for the left that all people are basically good, that conflict arises from misunderstand- ings and that everything can be resolved by negotiations.

Liberalism thus may be contrasted with Christianity and Judaism. Christianity holds that man is inherently sinful, a condition which may be rectified by faith and grace. Judaism believes that man has both a good and evil inclination but, as the Bible says, from birth man's heart is inclined toward evil. Liberalism believes in innate goodness that man is basically virtuous and corrupted, not by his nature, but by society.

How does this worldview apply to the Middle East? The left blames Israel for fighting terrorism with military force, instead of with diplomacy.

Since Israel is in a position to surrender territory, it stands to reason that if the violence is continuing, its because Israel hasn't given up enough.

What exactly has Israel given to the Palestinians? Since the signing of the 1993 Oslo Accords, it has turned over to the Arabs all of Gaza and 40% of the West Bank including areas with 80% of the population as well as Hebron, Judaism's second holiest city.

In return, Israel has gotten over 600 dead and 4,000 wounded (based on our population, that is the equivalent of 38,000 dead Americans and 230,000 wounded), the destruction of the Tomb of Rachel, and a worldwide wave of anti-Semitism.

Diplomacy only works when both sides are sincere, when each is committed to democracy and the rule of law. (Arafat is
sincerely committed to the destruction of Israel). Negotiations with totalitarians, tyrants and thugs lead to Munich and World War II, lead to the 1973 Paris Peace Accords (the grave of South Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos), lead to our anti-nuclear agreement with North Korea, which we now know Kim Jong II violated all along, lead to Oslo. Nations have been buried with a scrap of paper.

Actually, the left wouldn't mind Israel so much if it wasn't an American ally, if it wasn't a democracy with Western values, if it wasn't a Jewish State, if its opponents weren't an indigenous, Third World people and if it was willing to give them whatever they want and trust in their word for Israel's future security.

Since the opposite is the case, the liberal-left's hostility toward Israel will only deepen. Given the liberal degeneration over the past six decades, it could not have been otherwise.

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no such country called israel exists!
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acutally its the left,right and everyone inbetween. you brought it on yourselves, get out of our country and mind your own business and maybe things will change.
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Israel is pro american,

Pro american at spying on our nation and selling those secrets to China.
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They claim rights of expansion are granted by a supernatural deity, that's fucked up beyond belief.
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They claim rights of expansion are granted by a supernatural deity, that's fucked up beyond belief.
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Which Israeli government figure ever claimed that?
Dear sir, poor sir, brave sir: You are an experiment by the Creator of the Universe. You are the only creature in the entire Universe who has free will. You are the only one who has to figure out what to do next--and why. Everybody else is a robot, a machine.

"MANE THECEL PHARES."
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OP is a terrorist.

That is all.


Fuck you OP.
Fuck you.
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OP is a terrorist.

That is all.


Fuck you OP.
Fuck you.
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Nope.
Dear sir, poor sir, brave sir: You are an experiment by the Creator of the Universe. You are the only creature in the entire Universe who has free will. You are the only one who has to figure out what to do next--and why. Everybody else is a robot, a machine.

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They claim rights of expansion are granted by a supernatural deity, that's fucked up beyond belief.
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+1
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he's not a terrorist just a shill.
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Israel is pro american,

Pro american at spying on our nation and selling those secrets to China.
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bump
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And for the record jadr it's not just the left that hates israel.
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And for the record jadr it's not just the left that hates israel.
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Yes, Muslims and Nazis are also in that category.
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alien03 PRAY FOR HOLY LAND PEACE! PROTECT THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN! SHUT DOWN STUPID ATHEIST GAY LIBERAL COMMUNISTS EMPIRE! dark OR THE WORLD WILL SHUT DOWN.
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he's not a terrorist just a shill.
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Shill: Anyone who disagrees with your point of view.
Dear sir, poor sir, brave sir: You are an experiment by the Creator of the Universe. You are the only creature in the entire Universe who has free will. You are the only one who has to figure out what to do next--and why. Everybody else is a robot, a machine.

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today is january 13/13
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today is january 13/13
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he's not a terrorist just a shill.


Shill: Anyone who disagrees with your point of view.
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not a shill? on another thread here when i asked you for a link to an indepent source, the so called indepent site had a link to sign up and be a megaphony. so you're not a shill?
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he's not a terrorist just a shill.


Shill: Anyone who disagrees with your point of view.

not a shill? on another thread here when i asked you for a link to an indepent source, the so called indepent site had a link to sign up and be a megaphony. so you're not a shill?
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Nope. And even if I did use the megaphone software - how would that make me a shill?

I'm sorry to tell you that one does not get paid for using that software...

I only post on GLP - no where else. So I have no use for that software in the first place.
Dear sir, poor sir, brave sir: You are an experiment by the Creator of the Universe. You are the only creature in the entire Universe who has free will. You are the only one who has to figure out what to do next--and why. Everybody else is a robot, a machine.

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REASON # 1: Israel is pro-American.
REASON #2: Arafat and his thugs, Hamas and Islamic Jihad, are seen as another national liberation movement the Middle East equivalent of the Viet Cong and Sandinistas.

REASON #3: Along the same lines, the Middle East conflict is seen as a power struggle between a Third World people and a transplanted European colonial power.

REASON #4: Israel is a Jewish State.

REASON #5: It is an article of faith for the left that all people are basically good, that conflict arises from misunderstand- ings and that everything can be resolved by negotiations.

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You could have just summed it all up in one sentence and spared us the boring details.

THE LEFT IS ANTI-SEMITIC!
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The left also hates Christians.
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he's not a terrorist just a shill.


Shill: Anyone who disagrees with your point of view.

not a shill? on another thread here when i asked you for a link to an indepent source, the so called indepent site had a link to sign up and be a megaphony. so you're not a shill?


Nope. And even if I did use the megaphone software - how would that make me a shill?

I'm sorry to tell you that one does not get paid for using that software...

I only post on GLP - no where else. So I have no use for that software in the first place.
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ok so you're just stupid then using a site that has said link as an independant source.
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Jadar IS the straw man....
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"Israel is an American ally because it shares our values: democracy, respect for human rights, religious tolerance, the free market and an open society."

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I do not Hate Israel, I love them as a people, but not their actions. Much like my kids. I love them but not their behavior sometimes.

Let me ask you something: Our government does evil, shady things. Everyone else's government does evil, shady things.
Why would Israel's government be any different? Why would you not call out evil actions by others, regardless of country?

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ok so you're just stupid then using a site that has said link as an independant source.
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Well - the OP gave a link to an article from a rammalah based online news site ...how is that any different?
Dear sir, poor sir, brave sir: You are an experiment by the Creator of the Universe. You are the only creature in the entire Universe who has free will. You are the only one who has to figure out what to do next--and why. Everybody else is a robot, a machine.

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I think its because Israel is a fascist religious-based Apartheid state committing war crimes and atrocities on the Palestinian people - and also, btw - because Israel is illegally occupying land that doesn't belong to it - in direct violation of UN resolutions and international law.

Anything else is bullshit made up by mostly American warmongers - who're too stupid to know anything about history or politics.
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The left also hates Christians.
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Yep!! First comes Saturday then Sunday (Hizbollah saying)
Dear sir, poor sir, brave sir: You are an experiment by the Creator of the Universe. You are the only creature in the entire Universe who has free will. You are the only one who has to figure out what to do next--and why. Everybody else is a robot, a machine.

"MANE THECEL PHARES."
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They claim rights of expansion are granted by a supernatural deity, that's fucked up beyond belief.


Which Israeli government figure ever claimed that?
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Don't try to play word games, history is history no matter how much you try to gloss over it..

In 1947 the UN established defined borders between Palestine and Israel, so why does Israel occupy Palestinian territories and push for expansion through an ever widening radius of settlements in direct contravention of the spirit of the Balfour declaration which granted them a homeland when they had none?

Because they believe they have the right to do so.
Why do they believe they have the right to do so?
Because they believe it is Eretz Yisrael and "God" promised them they could have it all.

What about the British mandate of Palastine where almost a million palastinians were turnied into homeless refugees in 1948 as Israel simply took the land after the war?

Why did they take that land?
Because they believe they have the right to do so.
Why do they believe they have the right to do so?
Because they believe it is Eretz Yisrael and "God" promised them they could have it all.

Taking those areas of the mandate was also in direct contravention of both the UN declarations of 1947 and the Balfour declarations which Israel was only to happy to agree with at the time because it got their foot in the door.
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Jdar you are seriously misguided
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Israel is pro american,

Pro american at spying on our nation and selling those secrets to China.
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