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Dr. Quibble
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Just throwing these here so I can find them easily when questions are asked. Saves me searching through 175+ pages to find them. (pages 130-176 done)

So feel free to leave now if you feel like it hi
Or Feel free to add yours to here.

Path of least resistance.

Anyone that knows anything about supervolcano's knows that the caldera means nothing, just marks the site of the last large eruption and has nothing to do with the next.

When you watch yellowstone programs they will always mention an "unzipping of the caldera" - This is propagated lies.

When that thing goes it's going to punch itself a brand new hole. A small hole to start, launching debris and rocks far into the air, possibly parts of the initial eruption making it to space and falling as meteors around the globe.

As the pressure is vented through this (relatively) small hole it begins to mel and break up the rocks around it causing th hole to get bigger but decreases the altitude the magma and ash will make it too. Quite possibly miles (a lot of them) into the air.

Because like the explosion of a nuke, the gases and pressure is always released towards the path of the least resistance.
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Caldera forming

"Think of a Dam bursting, as the water travels away from the dam it travels the path of least resistance.. (It would travel down valleys and race for the lowest elevation. With Magma it's opposite..)"
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 867822

The smaller the hole the higher the magma will be shot into the air, but it will be following the path of least resistance, as the movement of magma continues that way rocks around where it is spewing out will break up and make that hole far larger (lowering pressure and releasing energy over a larger area), causing fissure and cracks to extend outwards from it as chunks of rocks are blasted out of it ever increasing the size of it, until those fissure's reach certain points that have been severly weakened by the major earthquakes that will be going on at the time of eruption and massive portions of it start to break off and float in the magma, since the pressure is being relieved over a much larger area than the initial eruption, which I would compared to the cork in a champagne bottle, the magma being ejected over this large area would just bubble up and run like water (see quoted post), until enough has been ejected and it settles (With massive bits of rock and land still floating around on it/in it and act as a crystalisation point as the magma cools..

Then the newly formed chunk of land drops into the void (mainly strings of soft warm rock) created by the cooled magma, creating your caldera. (could take years)

What do you guys/gals think.. more along the lines of physics?
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Reasoning

For a bit more detail, I'd say the most likely was, magma shifted a rock, flooded a cavity and the presssure built for 3 hours after that before it cracked some rock and caused that 3.6M EQ. We can still see the tremors from magma movement on the [link to www.quake.utah.edu] soda butte seismograph as it continues to move and fill whatever cavity the earthquake produced and shift loose rock that the 3.6M opened up until it stops and the pressure builds again.

The next EQ is dependant on the size of the cavity so how long it takes for the pressure to build and how tough the rock around that cavity is, If it is hard enough the magma and pressure will go elsewhere, which is why the activity has seemed to of slowed on the upper left front.

The magma will take the path of least resistance, as the pressure build from more magma being pumped into there, possibly as a result of the recent magnetosphere activity (every action has an equal and opposite reaction, the effect ont he magnetosphere will effect the producer of that magnetic field, The core, which in turns effects the mantle, it may very well be a tiny amount of effect and take a couple of days to expand outwards, but as the chaos theory states, something small can make something big happen)

You can also contribute the pull of the moon to more magma being pushed into the chamber below the caldera, but either way the pressure is rising and it is trying to find a way to lower or vent it.

Now if we are going to see more volcanic tremors from magma moving before the next quake.. i don't know and I can't say where the next will be, but the longer it takes.. the higher the chance of a bigger quake (which as we know can set off tectonic quakes as well), and then we should see some more volcanic tremors and if the quake is large enough, it could significantly weaken the rock holding back other parts of the magma and we could very well see large numbers of quakes along with tremors as the magma moves around, quite possible upwards.
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Chart times

Actually the charts are dependant on peoples timezones.

At UK time 1:53am

My ymr_webi is for the 24th
My ymr_webi_1d is for the 23rd.

But at MST time 18:53

The ymr_webi is for the 23rd
The ymr_webi_1d is for the 22nd.

Hoping it explodes

I hope it explodes, I think of it as the greatest fireworks you will ever see.. so great that the awe they inspire in you will blow your mind.

You can see all this happening, your hoping it won't explode.. If i was anywhere near that thing I would of been out of there days ago.

If you want to be safe, do something about it, don't just sit their and whine about being in the killzone. (not my problem) people die, get used to it.

Perspective

"The largest swarm was 3,156 earthquakes during a three month period starting on Oct. 4, 1985, according to the university. The strongest earthquake in the swarm registered a magnitude of 4.9."

and we just had 1000+ in a few days.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 872232


Here's some perspective

Assuming this swarm goes on for 3 months, Assuming it keeps up its average of over 200 quakes daily.. jan 31, feb 28, mar 31. so 90 days.. we are looking at over 18,000 quakes in a three month period.

Assuming also that swarms of quakes have a tendancy to start small rise towards the middle then peter out during the duration of the swarm (like a bell curve) This includes magnitude and frequency of quakes.

We then can assume 5.0+ quakes and far more than 18,000 quakes.

If this last 3 months.

Videos

Compilation of yellowstone vids.

History channel, Mega disasters: Yellowstone eruption: [link to www.youtube.com]

BBC docu-drama 12 part series (very good):

Part 1 1/6 [link to www.youtube.com]

Part 2 1/6 [link to www.youtube.com]

28 days before yellowstone eruption: [link to www.youtube.com]

Yellowstone Super Volcano Alert - History Channel Special: [link to www.youtube.com]

History Channel - Yellowstone 2009: [link to www.youtube.com]

Short 1:26 discovery channel: [link to www.youtube.com]

Conclusion part 2+ (independant) [link to www.youtube.com] - ignore part 1.

3 part USGS: [link to www.youtube.com]

There is a mention of it in "2012" the movie.. but nothing useful.

Iris Webicorder


[link to www.iris.edu] - netwrok maps froma round the globe (some have maps so you can see postions)

[link to www.iris.edu] - yellowstone seismometers (R) is realtime which means you can do this below. (A) is archived. Available on a map [link to www.iris.edu]

Click on the link (station) you want to see.

Then click "EHZ" (haven't tried the others yet) (should be on the 12th bar down.)

Click "Explore with Quack"

Choose your time series (lower middle)

Then click on the right "Webicorder for selected time series data"

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Yellowstone-Snake-River-Plain GPS Network

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Since "harmonic tremors" and "poorly constrained" are come up in discussion often...



September 2004 - 2005 Mt. St. Helens Volcanic Advisory; Webicorders and Spectrographs
with detailed labels of various types of activity, including harmonic tremors, swarm earthquakes, eruption, etc...

[link to www.pnsn.org]




"Poorly constrained" when used by USGS

Depth
The depth where the earthquake begins to rupture. This depth may be relative to mean sea-level or the average elevation of the seismic stations which provided arrival-time data for the earthquake location. The choice of reference depth is dependent on the method used to locate the earthquake. Sometimes when depth is poorly constrained by available seismic data, the location program will set the depth at a fixed value. For example, 33 km is often used as a default depth for earthquakes determined to be shallow, but whose depth is not satisfactorily determined by the data, whereas default depths of 5 or 10 km are often used in mid-continental areas and on mid-ocean ridges since earthquakes in these areas are usually shallower than 33 km.
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