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The Phoenix User ID: 82174620 United States 05/29/2022 04:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 4) I think that the "abilities" that I have that separate me from most people are a very quick intuition of the bigger patterns and the outcome, and a very keen memory (which has since faltered a bit due to a bad Lyme disease case). I often get in trouble with people because I jump ahead in the conversation three or four ideas/sentences and answer them before they can get their own ideas out. Pisses people off to no extent. I think of it as zooming out from the details and looking at the entire thing at once, and then zooming back in to the important point. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68117581 This is fascinating to me and something I have contemplated for some time. Is a quick intuition something we do subconsciously with pattern recognition as you suggest or does it come from some other place. Not saying I have an answer, it is just that some may call your ability to be a "psychic" phenomena. Or perhaps both things are occurring. Thanks for sharing as it makes me contemplate this some more. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 81055421 United States 05/30/2022 09:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wow, I never thought of it as "psychic." I do the same thing with maps, to find out where I am - especially in the days before GPS. I would zoom out, get a bearing, and zoom back in, mentally. It seems stupid putting in those terms, but that's how I thought about it. I just found a girl on the internet that I was in the program with in the very very early days and reached out to her via email -- nothing specific, just mentioning old memories. I'm interested to see what she says, but also scared at the same time... lol What do you think, about trying to reconnect with fellows from the program? Good idea or not? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 83497560 United States 06/01/2022 07:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes. Public school in AZ in the mid-70's. I received lots of SRA reading assignments and selective audio programming through headphones that was not provided to the rest of the class. I was pulled out of class and interviewed frequently, and I took the SAT test in 6th grade, 8th grade, and 11th grade. Does anyone know what this was all about? I was too young at the time to put 2 and 2 together to figure out what the end goal of all this was. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 83589078 United States 06/07/2022 11:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Phoenix, i wasn't trying to argue. I just started thinking about the hearing test. And the fact that the homework questions are obviously looking for something else, probably more than one thing. But, seriously, I took a lot of hearing tests. Some by myself. I was taken out of class for these. I was never referred to a doctor, so apparently I could hear just fine. (I don't have a hearing aid yet.) So, what was that all about? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79470017 United States 06/07/2022 11:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Phoenix, i wasn't trying to argue. I just started thinking about the hearing test. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83589078 And the fact that the homework questions are obviously looking for something else, probably more than one thing. But, seriously, I took a lot of hearing tests. Some by myself. I was taken out of class for these. I was never referred to a doctor, so apparently I could hear just fine. (I don't have a hearing aid yet.) So, what was that all about? I was MGM in Math and Science. I made in english as well but that was not important to me so I focused on Math and Science. I was a year ahead in Math all through High school. No big problem. When I got into engineering in college at an elite school, it was quite a challenge going from being the top of the class to a little fish in a much larger bowl with other fish who were just as smart or smarter. That was a real challenge. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 83589078 United States 06/07/2022 11:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Phoenix, i wasn't trying to argue. I just started thinking about the hearing test. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83589078 And the fact that the homework questions are obviously looking for something else, probably more than one thing. But, seriously, I took a lot of hearing tests. Some by myself. I was taken out of class for these. I was never referred to a doctor, so apparently I could hear just fine. (I don't have a hearing aid yet.) So, what was that all about? I was MGM in Math and Science. I made in english as well but that was not important to me so I focused on Math and Science. I was a year ahead in Math all through High school. No big problem. When I got into engineering in college at an elite school, it was quite a challenge going from being the top of the class to a little fish in a much larger bowl with other fish who were just as smart or smarter. That was a real challenge. Did MGM help you at all? I wasn't really in it, i just had some similar experiences. I think there were some prototype programs they tried out here and there. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 57215414 United States 06/09/2022 01:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Those homework questions aren't looking for psi abilities. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83458905 Probably that's what all the hearing tests were about. I did find some archived newspaper articles as well as some links (& back info) to research & curriculum involving zener cards several years ago. The stuff I found in the file didn't have any of that but I do remember the zener card testing personally. In the newspaper articles, they talked about a summer program with specialized education including a paranormal unit which, according to the newspaper, also taught us how to simulate an ESP event. Stanley Krippner was a NAGC researcher who also was involved in paranormal research. The stuff I found, I think is part of what set off some of the investigations in Congress. |
Armchair Observer User ID: 57215414 United States 06/09/2022 02:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anyone remember "Green Sleeves" being played in the darkened room, while your head was on your desk? Quoting: DumbDown I can taste the Tang to this day. I remember being appalled at the images of death and destruction. I was angry that I was asked to "project the outcome" for given situations. The launch of a rocket, the mushroom cloud of the atomic bomb, the melting bodies.... Yep. Absolutely. Part of what was in the folder with the rest of this watching that Hiroshima and Nagasaki footage. It was a question about justification for using the atomic bombs on Japan. I did come across that video on youtube several years ago. It was a US Army reel, I think. I remembered the children in it as well as the woman who had the print in her kimono burned into her skin. Really terrible stuff. Yes to Greensleeves, Tang, & projecting the outcome. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 81837164 United States 06/09/2022 02:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Those homework questions aren't looking for psi abilities. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83458905 Probably that's what all the hearing tests were about. I did find some archived newspaper articles as well as some links (& back info) to research & curriculum involving zener cards several years ago. The stuff I found in the file didn't have any of that but I do remember the zener card testing personally. In the newspaper articles, they talked about a summer program with specialized education including a paranormal unit which, according to the newspaper, also taught us how to simulate an ESP event. Stanley Krippner was a NAGC researcher who also was involved in paranormal research. The stuff I found, I think is part of what set off some of the investigations in Congress. Probably... I think there may have been a more normal section of these programs, but then a kid or two was taken aside. I apparently knew more about astrology than i can remember. Idk why I would have learned that. |
Armchair Observer User ID: 57215414 United States 06/09/2022 02:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | TAG Homework, circa 1980, 9th grade curriculum Quoting: Armchair Observer 57215414 Title: EVERYTHING YOU SAY WILL BE USED AGAINST YOU, page 2 (sorry, forgot there was a page 2) 17. Were you a first born child or only child? 18. Have you ever asked for a raise? 19. Have you ever voted for someone you did not particularly like because you wanted another candidate to lose? 20. Have you ever owned a practical joke novelty device (a handshake buzzer, etc.,)? 21. As a child, did you ever run away from home for more than 24 hours? 22. Have you ever tortured an animal (e.g. pulling legs of spiders)? 23. As a child, was your home life particularly violent? (Did your parents fight? Were you beaten when you misbehaved?) 24. As a child, did you tend to get into more fights than other children? 25. Did you have more school problems and truancy than other children? 26. Did you throw temper tantrums more often than most children when you were young? Bbm... These are weird questions (or weirder than the other weird questions) to ask 9th graders. I guess they could ask their parents for a raise in allowance, or vote in student or mock elections done as a class exercise. But, neither of these things are all that meaningful if compared to asking adults who have worked real jobs or voted in a real (it's from 1980, so people usually believed in elections) election. These questions are meant to find kids with a bad side (because it's not just doing those things, it's admitting to them on a test). That was something known to be exploited. I think these questions are for adults although I don't doubt this test was given to 9th graders. I'm glad you spotted those questions as they puzzled me as well given the age of the students (13-14?) that the homework was assigned to. It did make me wonder if these questions were from something that was geared towards adults and then, just given to TAG students? I've tried some searches but no luck so far. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 81837164 United States 06/09/2022 02:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anyone remember "Green Sleeves" being played in the darkened room, while your head was on your desk? Quoting: DumbDown I can taste the Tang to this day. I remember being appalled at the images of death and destruction. I was angry that I was asked to "project the outcome" for given situations. The launch of a rocket, the mushroom cloud of the atomic bomb, the melting bodies.... Yep. Absolutely. Part of what was in the folder with the rest of this watching that Hiroshima and Nagasaki footage. It was a question about justification for using the atomic bombs on Japan. I did come across that video on youtube several years ago. It was a US Army reel, I think. I remembered the children in it as well as the woman who had the print in her kimono burned into her skin. Really terrible stuff. Yes to Greensleeves, Tang, & projecting the outcome. I remember hearing Greensleeves a lot. And yeah, atomic bomb photos and videos. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 81837164 United States 06/09/2022 02:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | TAG Homework, circa 1980, 9th grade curriculum Quoting: Armchair Observer 57215414 Title: EVERYTHING YOU SAY WILL BE USED AGAINST YOU, page 2 (sorry, forgot there was a page 2) 17. Were you a first born child or only child? 18. Have you ever asked for a raise? 19. Have you ever voted for someone you did not particularly like because you wanted another candidate to lose? 20. Have you ever owned a practical joke novelty device (a handshake buzzer, etc.,)? 21. As a child, did you ever run away from home for more than 24 hours? 22. Have you ever tortured an animal (e.g. pulling legs of spiders)? 23. As a child, was your home life particularly violent? (Did your parents fight? Were you beaten when you misbehaved?) 24. As a child, did you tend to get into more fights than other children? 25. Did you have more school problems and truancy than other children? 26. Did you throw temper tantrums more often than most children when you were young? Bbm... These are weird questions (or weirder than the other weird questions) to ask 9th graders. I guess they could ask their parents for a raise in allowance, or vote in student or mock elections done as a class exercise. But, neither of these things are all that meaningful if compared to asking adults who have worked real jobs or voted in a real (it's from 1980, so people usually believed in elections) election. These questions are meant to find kids with a bad side (because it's not just doing those things, it's admitting to them on a test). That was something known to be exploited. I think these questions are for adults although I don't doubt this test was given to 9th graders. I'm glad you spotted those questions as they puzzled me as well given the age of the students (13-14?) that the homework was assigned to. It did make me wonder if these questions were from something that was geared towards adults and then, just given to TAG students? I've tried some searches but no luck so far. I think several other questions make more sense for adults. This was a questionnaire for an earlier program reused for kids. Imo. I know I just made a declarative sentence, but I don't have proof or anything. I have read about them using this in earlier programming attempts. Like they would ask if someone had an imaginary friend (when they were a kid) who was bad. And they would build on the bad side. I have seen a lot of these questions at different times and for different reasons. Like sometimes I was answering some of them, but other times I was only reading them. |
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User ID: 56514037 United States 06/09/2022 02:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dumb stuff for what dumb teachers think smart kids think about. Quoting: The Albuquerque Statesman What a pleasure it was to escape school, even for a little while. It was hard to tolerate the accumulated dumbness of school. Even the programs for smart kids were designed by dumb teachers to teach dumb things. The agenda was still all evil. I was put in the mentally retarded minds class where my questions wouldn't prove that the teachers were idiots until the class was laughing at them. I think if they could have pushed me in front of a bus, many of them would have jumped at the opportunity. If you are really gifted, you end up their enemy and their target. I sent two separate teachers to the nut house before they did the same to me! Great stuff. I wish I saw this thread earlier... Under Construction |
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Armchair Observer User ID: 57215414 United States 06/09/2022 02:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | TAG Homework, circa 1980, 9th grade curriculum Quoting: Armchair Observer 57215414 Title: EVERYTHING YOU SAY WILL BE USED AGAINST YOU, page 2 (sorry, forgot there was a page 2) 17. Were you a first born child or only child? 18. Have you ever asked for a raise? 19. Have you ever voted for someone you did not particularly like because you wanted another candidate to lose? 20. Have you ever owned a practical joke novelty device (a handshake buzzer, etc.,)? 21. As a child, did you ever run away from home for more than 24 hours? 22. Have you ever tortured an animal (e.g. pulling legs of spiders)? 23. As a child, was your home life particularly violent? (Did your parents fight? Were you beaten when you misbehaved?) 24. As a child, did you tend to get into more fights than other children? 25. Did you have more school problems and truancy than other children? 26. Did you throw temper tantrums more often than most children when you were young? Bbm... These are weird questions (or weirder than the other weird questions) to ask 9th graders. I guess they could ask their parents for a raise in allowance, or vote in student or mock elections done as a class exercise. But, neither of these things are all that meaningful if compared to asking adults who have worked real jobs or voted in a real (it's from 1980, so people usually believed in elections) election. These questions are meant to find kids with a bad side (because it's not just doing those things, it's admitting to them on a test). That was something known to be exploited. I think these questions are for adults although I don't doubt this test was given to 9th graders. I'm glad you spotted those questions as they puzzled me as well given the age of the students (13-14?) that the homework was assigned to. It did make me wonder if these questions were from something that was geared towards adults and then, just given to TAG students? I've tried some searches but no luck so far. I think several other questions make more sense for adults. This was a questionnaire for an earlier program reused for kids. Imo. I know I just made a declarative sentence, but I don't have proof or anything. I have read about them using this in earlier programming attempts. Like they would ask if someone had an imaginary friend (when they were a kid) who was bad. And they would build on the bad side. I have seen a lot of these questions at different times and for different reasons. Like sometimes I was answering some of them, but other times I was only reading them. That's my gut as well as why would anyone ask kids that likely do not have the ability to do these things questions but I have no proof either. One of the things that I noticed when I read through literally a thousand abstracts was there was definitely a theme of either seeing us as being both threats and assets. I did find this article written by a historian just a few minutes ago & she is talking about what I essentially saw a theme of in that database overtime. [link to www7.bbk.ac.uk] They were most definitely preoccupied in our predispositions and "attitudes". I have the full version of this one downloaded but it was an interesting read. Much of what the author of the blog post is talking about is echoed in there but with gentler wording. [link to psycnet.apa.org (secure)] Whether these things were to flush out potential threats that they viewed as threats or threats that they could make into assets, I do not know. I do know that I was never shoulder tapped because I had "issues with authority". You bet I do. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 83385706 06/09/2022 03:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Photocopies of reading material: Quoting: Armchair Observer 57215414 "The Flick of Violence", Time Magazine, March 19, 1979. Discusses the movie, "The Warriors" and how it has set off street rumbles. "Teenage Violence and the Telly", Psychology Today, March 1979. Discusses violence on the television and its potential influence on the youth. Lecture on "Symbols of Violence". Discusses injustice resulting in group formation and protest movements including spread of propaganda, creation of symbols, tactics and more. Assignment: Monitor for violence. Denote the number of instances, where it occurred, info about the perpetrator (age, gender, staff/student), describe situation situation, Things listed to watch for: Threats, foul language, violent displays, put downs, signs, graffiti. Write thoughts on your findings. Essay: Write an essay on the effect of violence on the television. Protest movement handouts (will transcribe later). Notes from "An Essay on War" documentary. Reading material: "Moral Thinking: Can it be taught?", Howard Muson, Psychology Today, Feb. 1979 "Good Samaritans at Age Two?" Maya Pince, Psychology Today, June 1979. Discusses altruistic behavior and development in young children. Essay: Can altruism be taught in schools? Reading material: "The Origins of Violence" by Richard Restak from "The Brain: The last Frontier", 1979. Essay on the book, "Cleopatra of Egypt". Estimating the stage of moral development of Cleopatra using Kohlberg's theory of moral development. Note from me: Unsure if some or any of the above articles or documentary are available online. I think I looked for the documentary a few years ago but was unable to locate it. Late back in but figured I'd comment. I had material almost exactly like this. In fact, most of what you posted in Feb looks eerily familiar. My Mother claimed to have some of my work that she said she would send to me, but never did. I was working on material like this in 6-8th grades. Lots and lots of current events type stuff. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 5184682 United States 06/09/2022 03:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes, we were bussed to schools outside of our own district. We were given many different types of puzzles. After a while they would stop giving us a variety of puzzles and have us focus on one type. My specialty was determined to be elimination logic puzzles. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 863003We were a very small group of children, less than 10 in all. From the entire area. These tests continued for perhaps two or three quarters. It was a search that was conducted by Ludens. Ludens children were placed amongst other children for this purpose. that was funny. seriously though. did any of you start off in montessouri schools for early education? (pre-k, kindergarden?) just curious. we were bussed from far away and i lived right behind an elementary school i could have gone to. my neighbors never understood why we did that. I remember scoring high on that State test they gave in the 1st grade. I do recall watching some weird movie with lots of flickering but I also remember listening to a series of tones while wearing headphones. My parents pulled me out of public school and enrolled me in a private school known as Rudolph Steiner School, but is now known as Waldorf. ....explains alot... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 83520215 United States 06/09/2022 03:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes, they never made us do the regular school work, it was go off in small groups and figure out some method or problem the world thought impossible to figure out. The control, punishment and manipulation of the rest of the students made me wonder why I and a few others were singled out for freedom. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 57215414 United States 06/09/2022 03:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Photocopies of reading material: Quoting: Armchair Observer 57215414 "The Flick of Violence", Time Magazine, March 19, 1979. Discusses the movie, "The Warriors" and how it has set off street rumbles. "Teenage Violence and the Telly", Psychology Today, March 1979. Discusses violence on the television and its potential influence on the youth. Lecture on "Symbols of Violence". Discusses injustice resulting in group formation and protest movements including spread of propaganda, creation of symbols, tactics and more. Assignment: Monitor for violence. Denote the number of instances, where it occurred, info about the perpetrator (age, gender, staff/student), describe situation situation, Things listed to watch for: Threats, foul language, violent displays, put downs, signs, graffiti. Write thoughts on your findings. Essay: Write an essay on the effect of violence on the television. Protest movement handouts (will transcribe later). Notes from "An Essay on War" documentary. Reading material: "Moral Thinking: Can it be taught?", Howard Muson, Psychology Today, Feb. 1979 "Good Samaritans at Age Two?" Maya Pince, Psychology Today, June 1979. Discusses altruistic behavior and development in young children. Essay: Can altruism be taught in schools? Reading material: "The Origins of Violence" by Richard Restak from "The Brain: The last Frontier", 1979. Essay on the book, "Cleopatra of Egypt". Estimating the stage of moral development of Cleopatra using Kohlberg's theory of moral development. Note from me: Unsure if some or any of the above articles or documentary are available online. I think I looked for the documentary a few years ago but was unable to locate it. Late back in but figured I'd comment. I had material almost exactly like this. In fact, most of what you posted in Feb looks eerily familiar. My Mother claimed to have some of my work that she said she would send to me, but never did. I was working on material like this in 6-8th grades. Lots and lots of current events type stuff. You should ask her again. I remember skimming a book by Schlafly that chronicled the hearings of Congress in 1984 that included public hearings around the country. One of the parents in the hearing brought up finding something like the weirdly worded questionnaires that may have been on the subject of sex. I'm guessing there was more like this than even what my sibling kept. Would be interesting to see what your mom has. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 83385706 06/09/2022 03:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I also have an interesting question - do any of you feel like you are still being monitored potentially? Like certain things have happened in your life and the outcome appears guided and unnatural rather than organic? I'm not really interested in spilling personal details nor am I asking for anyone else's. If you have experienced this, you will know what I am talking about. I'm just curious if I am alone in this suspicion. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72723682 There have been a few occurrences that I do not feel were at all natural. Employment situations where it felt much more like I had been "assigned" than "hired." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77162355 United States 06/09/2022 04:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is an incredible thread. I was in this program in the 1980’s in Fullerton California. I remember at times feeling like my mind was limitless. I was in a combo class for 3rd & 4th grade then the same for 5th & 6th. Had the same teacher for 3-4 and she was a fantastic teacher. She always told us: “remember, Southern California is a desert, don’t forget that” which I took to mean be always aware of where you live and whatever the environmental conditions are there. Don’t expect that water will just be there, SoCal is a man made oasis in a sense. I had a problem with really biting my nails and she was concerned about that. We read a Wrinkle in Time, she was a big fan of C.S. Lewis which in retrospect, I began to better understand and appreciate who she was. GATE was about unlocking the brain, expanding minds I think. Spatial intelligence cultivation for some. Many of the people I went to school with are very bright and have extremely successfully careers. Pediatric neuroscientist, patent atty, structural engineers, geologist, mostly STEM related, not business which I find interesting. I have worked in aerospace for almost 20 years and have a skill set that is uncommon. I have, through God’s grace and gifts, made a decent life for my family. The GATE program is still alive and well at the school I went to, where our kids now attend. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 83385706 06/09/2022 04:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Can you see into the future? Do you follow logic or intuition? Can you see events and people remotely? Do you believe we can communicate through our minds? Can you influence events from a distance? Do you believe in realms beyond our own visible one? Quoting: The Phoenix 82174620 And, lost importantly, can you manifest things into reality and do it to help people and not for your own benefit? What if there is something to this? I have noted myself that sometimes it does seem that my thoughts are able to manifest in reality. Coincidence or divine inference? There is no question in my mind that telepathy is real. Recurring dreams of the future are also real. Although just today, one of my premonitions from decades back has failed to come to fruition. Maybe the gift wears off. |
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