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This particular subject has always intrigued me. A while ago, I purchased a couple of books on the Chaos Magic, including one by Phil Hine - "Condensed Chaos." Although the book is not a difficult read, it seems this subject would be better pursued with a mentor..or some classes?

Any experience in this arena?
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Good luck with it in case you wanna be a black magic goon without even knowing it.
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I've heard the term but don't know what it's about- is it related to Alchemy?
Could you elaborate?
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I've heard the term but don't know what it's about- is it related to Alchemy?
Could you elaborate?
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It's a way of practicing Magic that has little to do with the old ideas of Sorcery, or Satan worship, or the like. I guess it's a way to change your personal reality by deconstructing some of your "agreements" to the general, consensus reality.

This particular book lists some ways of doing just that, but it seems rather complicated. At least, when trying to accomplish it on my own.

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This particular subject has always intrigued me. A while ago, I purchased a couple of books on the Chaos Magic, including one by Phil Hine - "Condensed Chaos." Although the book is not a difficult read, it seems this subject would be better pursued with a mentor..or some classes?

Any experience in this arena?
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Please avoid chaos energy at all costs! That is what the grays feed off and If you mess around with it you are going to be possessed by them.... Alien grays will enter your brain as thought forms and literally feed off you control you,
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This particular subject has always intrigued me. A while ago, I purchased a couple of books on the Chaos Magic, including one by Phil Hine - "Condensed Chaos." Although the book is not a difficult read, it seems this subject would be better pursued with a mentor..or some classes?

Any experience in this arena?

Please avoid chaos energy at all costs! That is what the grays feed off and If you mess around with it you are going to be possessed by them.... Alien grays will enter your brain as thought forms and literally feed off you control you,
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Thanks, but I think we're talking about two different concepts of "chaos" here.
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My understanding of chaos magic is that it is essentially "will magic." I think it's based on the notion that the unconscious mind is the most powerful force in the universe; but to tap it, one must by-pass the conscious mind, (hence, the use of sigils, etc.),.

If one is successful in by-passing the conscius mind, then one can manipulate one's unconscious to create whatever reality one wishes.

I'm not sure it's a safe practice myself. Just becuase it claims not to be rooted in black magic or satan or whatever, I would be cautious.
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If youre interested in Kaos Magick books by Peter Carroll are a definite must:
Liber Null and Pyschonaut. Also Liber Kaos.

They are amazing books!

And in terms of Kaos magick - everyone should look into it, at least in theory. The idea of being able to pick a believe system at Will, could solve so many problems in the world.

Most people have on belief system for all their life without realizing how much that belief defines their universe, and therefore their life.
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I've heard the term but don't know what it's about- is it related to Alchemy?
Could you elaborate?

It's a way of practicing Magic that has little to do with the old ideas of Sorcery, or Satan worship, or the like. I guess it's a way to change your personal reality by deconstructing some of your "agreements" to the general, consensus reality.

This particular book lists some ways of doing just that, but it seems rather complicated. At least, when trying to accomplish it on my own.
 Quoting: XPMarksthe


I'm intrigued- and no, I don't buy into the sorcery, black magic hoodoo. I'd be interested in looking a little deeper into this- the true nature of it.
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Magica


It has been a thousand years since the once powerful planet of Blessing lost it's life-giving two suns, and countless millennia since the days of the great magicians. An expedition of alien voyagers came upon the now ice-covered sphere, drawn there by an unexplained lone beacon far below the miles of frozen moisture, they unlocked a written history of Blessing from it's almost undiscovered tomb. So begins the story of Magica.

It was a time of celebration. The Book of Magica and the wizards who had used it's spells so wisely for the good of the people were being honored in all the great cities of the world. There was however an exception. Where good thrives, evil survives and evil has plans for survival.

The celebration of thanks and prosperity would signal the forces of Evilsyde to begin the attack and ultimate capture and destruction of Magica. The spells from the Book would be used to turn all of those unwilling to join Evilsyde into statues of stone and send their spirits to Otherworld, where they would eventually be assimilated into the energy needed to drive Evilsyde, and maintain it's power without the necessity of the Book and it's incantations forever.

Defenses were naturally relaxed during the festive preparations and although the battle was well-fought by both factions, the minions of the dark prevailed. Their assault was well-planned and executed to a fault. After overwhelming their initial opposition, they pushed on to the sacred ground upon which the Book of Magica rested. They possessed a much weaker form of magic themselves, and although it would be normally quite useless against the strength of Magica, the inability of the Wizards to gather themselves together in time, coupled with the perfect timing and determination of the attackers, spelled doom for the Book and it's followers.

The leader of the insurrection was the high priest and executioner known as Shadowcast. His presence could make the naughtiest of children become obedient and inspire great fear among the adult population. This man, most vile, would now be ruler of all and answerable to none. His reign would plunge Blessing into eternal darkness and prepare the way for the coming of his master, Astoroth, the Grand Duke of Hell.

The capture of Magica did not, however, mean that Shadowcast had finally reached his goal. He must now find and conquer Blessing’s Grand Wizard and legendary hero, Eriel. Eriel, who defeated Evilsyde time and again with his understanding and use of Magica’s spells. He would be the last stumbling block of total domination.

Eriel had removed himself from the general population in anticipation of everlasting peace and now he devoted all of his energy to meditation and praise of his God. Lately though, he had been visited by many temptations in his dreams. Promises of pleasure, riches and power raced through his sleeping mind. All these lures had been placed there by Shadowcast, hoping to avoid confrontation between this dominant man and his own villainous forces. Eriel however had resisted these solicitations and was now warned of some impending danger. He managed to make his way to the sacred ground by cloaking his identity with simple spells, only to be discovered just before his attempt to rescue the Book of Magica, but not before he was able to memorize the most important of Magica’s charms, The spell of Restoration.

The ceremony of thanksgiving was now directed toward the transmission of spirits to Otherworld. One by one the good souls of Blessing were turned to stone and sent on to their grisly fate, until only the noble Eriel remained. The spectacle that followed was meant to degrade Eriel and raise the courage of the cowardly supplicants of Evilsyde, but true to his indominantable bearing, he promised to return and banish Evilsyde forever. Then he was gone.

The horrors of Otherworld are now revealed to the masses huddled together for some small measure of comfort. First the adults were separated from their children amid cries and pleas for help. Next the old ones were taken away and assigned to a place very near the assimilation site. They were guarded by monstrous, misshapen denizens of this shrouded netherland, who constantly harangued the inmates with promises of pain and extermination. Intermittent bursts of flame shot up from jagged cracks in the ground, threatening to consume anyone in it's path. Shrieks of torment could be heard piercing the murky atmosphere, further unnerving the petrified captives. Only one seemed unaffected by all the inflicted fear and turmoil. Eriel’s strength and determination soon pacified the men and women with whom he was confined. When they all became more calm and subdued, he began to speak to them softly as an adult to his children. “Long ago you entrusted me to protect the Book of Magica and to be faithful to it's special purpose. It must seem that I have failed you and condemned us all to oblivion, but fear not! This hell is only a test of your faith and resolve. The power of Magica did not vanish in fire. On the third day I will evoke the spell of Restoration. United we shall return to Blessing and, armed with the strength of Magica, we will be triumphant. Many will perish, but Magica and our souls cannot be restored until three days have passed. Take heart my friends. Victory awaits you.”

Even magic has it's limitations and as Eriel explained to his flock, the spell could not be activated until a waiting period of at least three days. One third of the souls of Blessing would be melded into the Evilsyde collective before Eriel could be effective with the words of Restoration.

The old ones were the first to go. Cries of encouragement and hope were shouted to the condemned as they trudged slowly to their fate. One by one they were thrown into the assimilation chamber where a blinding blue spark gave evidence of their demise. With each burst Eriel’s heavy heart ached with guilt for his part in this slaughter of his charges. If only he had not become so complacent. He above all should never have let this tragedy transpire.

In the compound holding the young adults, an insurrection of sorts was occurring. A boy of seventeen years called Challis was urging an uprising among his captured companions. Futile though it was, it earned Challis a place in the cell adjoining Eriel’s. His rantings and ravings were soon quelled by Eriel’s quiet urging and the two settled into serious conversation. Eriel knew his time of assimilation was near and only hoped it would not be scheduled before the three day waiting period for Restoration was ended. Shadowcast wanted to personally oversee Eriel’s termination but couldn't abandon his duties on Blessing until all was secure. Would there be enough time ?

Eriel realized some of his own strong qualities in Challis and decided that this was an opportunity not to be lost. He instructed Challis to remove all anger from his mind and hate from his heart. Only the pure could receive and transmit this most important of spells. Convinced that this young man was ready, he joined with his spirit and gave him these words. “Sanasha Gorath Sollis Arcanna,” Words that would resurrect the masses if delivered correctly and in time.

Over two days had passed before Shadowcast was ready for travel to Otherworld to deliver Eriel to his fate. His journey through Otherworld was marked by what could pass for cheers, if they weren’t shouted from the mouths of utterly inhuman shapes and forms. Upon his arrival he instructed the guards to take him straight to Eriel. Once there he announced with great satisfaction that he would personally supervise Eriel’s execution in a matter of hours. Nearby, Challis loudly voiced his objection to this treatment of his newly met hero and was rewarded by kicks and punches until he could no longer speak. Eriel’s heart sank. Had he misjudged Challis and entrusted his people’s future to a reckless youth? Eriel’s mind wandered to his own younger days. He too had been restless and foolhardy, but in time had outgrown these traits and become the adored leader of Blessing. He wondered if Challis had yet experienced love. Eriel himself had turned his back on the beautiful and innocent Annica. She was his intended from birth, but he couldn’t let love for this saintly child cloud his duties to Blessing and the Book.

One hour remained in the wait for Restoration. Eriel’s hopes were soaring. Surely Shadowcast would fail once again. But as that thought surfaced, so did Evilsyde’s dark leader. Eriel was led away with head held high, but as he passed Challis he gave just the slightest nod. A gesture that wasn’t lost on the youth. Eriel was then taken to the assimilation chamber and strapped to the cross-like structure in the middle of the room. Seconds were all that stood in the way of resurrection or destruction. Shadowcast walked to Eriel, presumably to gloat one last time to his old nemesis. Eriel welcomed the time that would be wasted, but at the last moment Shadowcast seemed to reconsider and raised his arm in signal for the end to begin. The arm dropped and, with crackle and hiss, Eriel was no more. Shadowcast and his minions erupted with joy. Never again to be slaves. Now to be masters.

Challis heard the cheering and knew that Eriel had passed without time to summon the spell. Now only he could influence the future. He heard the rattling of armor and realized they were coming for him. Soon the guards appeared and dragged the struggling Challis from his confinement. One of his jailers struck him a mighty blow across the face and suddenly all his anger left him. He was sure of what he must do. Thunder starts from silence and he would be thunder.

Challis was taken to the chamber and secured to the cross. Shadowcast approached him and asked if he had any last thing to say before assimilation. Challis smiled and said he did. Then with an evil laugh, Shadowcast raised his arm and announced that his question was only a final killing joke. It was now or never. As the arm fell in signal, Challis shouted out the spell: “Sanasha Gorath Sollis Arcanna” and all hell actually broke loose. Challis and the good folk of Blessing were bathed in an incredible rush of light. Shadowcast and all his wicked throng writhed in agony in the darkness they were spawned from, as the fierce illumination sought them out and consumed each troll, ogre and gargoyle in a horrible melting frenzy. Shadowcast, hiding in the last black space to be found, watched the light creep irresistibly toward him. At the last moment he cloaked his body with his unpriestly robe and muttered what sounded like an oath as the light touched the cloth. The robe erupted into flame and then there was nothing. Surely Shadowcast was also consumed by fire! But that tale would not yet be told. Now as each remaining citizen of Blessing was transported instantly back to their home, they found themselves standing among thousands of recognizable stone statues. These monuments represented their fallen comrades and would ever be a lasting testament to the dangers of evil and the power of Magica.

Now came the time of mourning. Funeral pyres brightened the night sky for weeks and songs of sorrow could be heard across the land long after the flames had sputtered and died. When the prolonged periods of grieving had ended, the citizens and their council directed attention to the task of anointing a new leader and protector of the restored Book of Magica. The choice seemed a simple one. Challis had resurrected the populace and the Book, but many questioned his youth and inexperience.

The debate raged on as the time of choosing approached. The candidates were summoned to the sacred place. Eloquent speeches were made on behalf of them all. Only Challis lacked a champion and it seemed certain that he would be passed over. “Will anyone speak for the boy?” asked the council. The question was greeted by silence as the judges turned away to cast their votes. Then the quiet was broken. A handsome woman with golden hair, now flecked with traces of gray, spoke: “Challis must be chosen. This is the secret I have carried with me for all these years. Although I was once rebuffed by my only true love, Eriel, our brief union produced the young man standing before you. Eriel was never to know that he had sired this free spirit, but he will live on through his son’s achievements if you now find him worthy.” So spoke Annica, mother of Challis.

The decision was now reached quickly. Annica’s revelation left little doubt in the minds of the councillors that Challis should indeed succeed his father. Evilsyde had been defeated, Shadowcast was hopefully destroyed, Challis had been chosen to lead his people and, despite the huge number of casualties, the old way of life began again. But, evil does not easily die. Shadowcast did indeed survive and persist in his attempts to challenge and conquer Blessing. Great battles would be fought. Brave heroes would rise to the occasion and legends were created. There was, of course, the unforgettable War of the Darkpeace when Challis …. Ah! But that’s another story!
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My understanding of chaos magic is that it is essentially "will magic." I think it's based on the notion that the unconscious mind is the most powerful force in the universe; but to tap it, one must by-pass the conscious mind, (hence, the use of sigils, etc.),.

If one is successful in by-passing the conscius mind, then one can manipulate one's unconscious to create whatever reality one wishes.

I'm not sure it's a safe practice myself. Just becuase it claims not to be rooted in black magic or satan or whatever, I would be cautious.
 Quoting: Dried Up Hag


I am even more interested if this is what it's about.
Along the lines of the 'thoughts become things' theory? (no-not into 'The Secret'- which is incomplete/ wanting)

Caution- yes definitely- as always.

Thx Hag:)
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This particular subject has always intrigued me. A while ago, I purchased a couple of books on the Chaos Magic, including one by Phil Hine - "Condensed Chaos." Although the book is not a difficult read, it seems this subject would be better pursued with a mentor..or some classes?

Any experience in this arena?
 Quoting: XPMarksthe

I recommend these 2 videos that support the concept of "chaos magic" Basically proving by science.
[link to www.youtube.com]

[link to www.youtube.com]
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My understanding of chaos magic is that it is essentially "will magic." I think it's based on the notion that the unconscious mind is the most powerful force in the universe; but to tap it, one must by-pass the conscious mind, (hence, the use of sigils, etc.),.

If one is successful in by-passing the conscius mind, then one can manipulate one's unconscious to create whatever reality one wishes.

I'm not sure it's a safe practice myself. Just becuase it claims not to be rooted in black magic or satan or whatever, I would be cautious.
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I agree - I wish there was a practitioner in the Phoenix area to whom I could ask questions...
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Hmmm - this looks a little creepy. But thanks for the info.
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If youre interested in Kaos Magick books by Peter Carroll are a definite must:
Liber Null and Pyschonaut. Also Liber Kaos.

They are amazing books!

And in terms of Kaos magick - everyone should look into it, at least in theory. The idea of being able to pick a believe system at Will, could solve so many problems in the world.

Most people have on belief system for all their life without realizing how much that belief defines their universe, and therefore their life.
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Thank you - I will definitely look into those books. Do you have any personal experience? Any success with the practice?
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This particular subject has always intrigued me. A while ago, I purchased a couple of books on the Chaos Magic, including one by Phil Hine - "Condensed Chaos." Although the book is not a difficult read, it seems this subject would be better pursued with a mentor..or some classes?

Any experience in this arena?

I recommend these 2 videos that support the concept of "chaos magic" Basically proving by science.
[link to www.youtube.com]

[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: SoulChild

I will watch these later....

Thank you.
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This is one of the roots from which Chaos Magic appeared, definitely read anything by Austin Osman Spare
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This is one of the roots from which Chaos Magic appeared, definitely read anything by Austin Osman Spare
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I have read one of the books on this website by Ray Sherwin THE BOOK OF RESULTS.

I found Condensed Chaos easier to read.

Do you have any personal experience? I'm one of those people always afraid I'm "doing it wrong", thus I would like to find some sort of teacher.
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I practice, now im lost in multi-dimensional mess occupying all kinds of time-lines there and there
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This is one of the roots from which Chaos Magic appeared, definitely read anything by Austin Osman Spare

I have read one of the books on this website by Ray Sherwin THE BOOK OF RESULTS.

I found Condensed Chaos easier to read.

Do you have any personal experience? I'm one of those people always afraid I'm "doing it wrong", thus I would like to find some sort of teacher.
 Quoting: XPMarksthe


I would be interested in learning more as well.
Thank you XPMarksthe for posting this thread.


Excerpted from
05.01. Chaos Magick? p1

In Chaos Magic, beliefs are not seen as ends in themselves, but as
tools for creating desired effects. To fully realize this is to
face a terrible freedom in which Nothing is True and Everything is
Permitted, which is to say that everything is possible, there are
no certainties, and the consequences can be ghastly. Laughter
seems to be the only defence against the realisation that one does
not even have a real self wherein nothing is
true and everything is permissable. For in these post-absolutist
days it is better to build upon the shifting sands than the rock
which will confound you on the day it shatters. Philosophers have
become no more than the keepers of useful sarcasms, for the secret
is out that there is no secret of the universe. All is Chaos and
evolution is going nowhere in particular. It is pure chance which
rules the universe and thus, and only thus, is life good. We are
born accidentally into a random world where only seeming causes
lead to apparent effects, and very little is predetermined,
thank Chaos.

Reject then the obscenities of contrived uniformity, order and
purpose. Turn and face the tidal wave of Chaos from which
philosophers have been fleeing in terror for millennia. Leap in
and come out surfing its crest, sporting amidst the limitless
weirdness and mystery in all things, for those who reject false
certainties.
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You call it chaos, yet you do not realise order is a human concept. The whole universe is in a chaotic state. Your lives are chaos, so people seek order, they seek control and power. Chaos is reality, order is a belief. Chaos requires everything to be connected and linked in some way, order does not. Think about this.
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Real chaos magicians know we know nothing so we speak not of it. naughty sigh hidb bird stoner
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This is one of the roots from which Chaos Magic appeared, definitely read anything by Austin Osman Spare

I have read one of the books on this website by Ray Sherwin THE BOOK OF RESULTS.

I found Condensed Chaos easier to read.

Do you have any personal experience? I'm one of those people always afraid I'm "doing it wrong", thus I would like to find some sort of teacher.
 Quoting: XPMarksthe


The only wrong you can do is cover yourself in beliefs. Face reality, accept the truth, accept yourself and those around you. A book is only information, discern the truths from the lies. Learn, know and you shall understand. Humans are condensed chaos. Yet so many try to run and hide from the reality in their beliefs and religions and lies.

Beliefs are never needed if you are always willing to truly learn.
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This is one of the roots from which Chaos Magic appeared, definitely read anything by Austin Osman Spare

I have read one of the books on this website by Ray Sherwin THE BOOK OF RESULTS.

I found Condensed Chaos easier to read.

Do you have any personal experience? I'm one of those people always afraid I'm "doing it wrong", thus I would like to find some sort of teacher.


The only wrong you can do is cover yourself in beliefs. Face reality, accept the truth, accept yourself and those around you. A book is only information, discern the truths from the lies. Learn, know and you shall understand. Humans are condensed chaos. Yet so many try to run and hide from the reality in their beliefs and religions and lies.

Beliefs are never needed if you are always willing to truly learn.
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Well, thank you, but I think it is easier said than done. For example, when I worked out with a trainer, I made tremendous strides in six months. She told me what to do, how to do it, and when. Before that, when I worked out on my own, with all good intentions, I sucked.
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This magical discipline was first formulated in England in the 1970s.

That should tell you everything you need to know. If not then you better know the difference between magic and majic before you get in too deep.
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This magical discipline was first formulated in England in the 1970s.

That should tell you everything you need to know. If not then you better know the difference between magic and majic before you get in too deep.
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Yes, like I said, I read Ray Sherwin's "The Book of Results."

I understand chaos is a modern amalgam of previous magic methods. I don't think that makes it invalid.
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This is one of the roots from which Chaos Magic appeared, definitely read anything by Austin Osman Spare

I have read one of the books on this website by Ray Sherwin THE BOOK OF RESULTS.

I found Condensed Chaos easier to read.

Do you have any personal experience? I'm one of those people always afraid I'm "doing it wrong", thus I would like to find some sort of teacher.


The only wrong you can do is cover yourself in beliefs. Face reality, accept the truth, accept yourself and those around you. A book is only information, discern the truths from the lies. Learn, know and you shall understand. Humans are condensed chaos. Yet so many try to run and hide from the reality in their beliefs and religions and lies.

Beliefs are never needed if you are always willing to truly learn.

Well, thank you, but I think it is easier said than done. For example, when I worked out with a trainer, I made tremendous strides in six months. She told me what to do, how to do it, and when. Before that, when I worked out on my own, with all good intentions, I sucked.
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It's not "magic". It itself is a belief system but a more flexible one, that allows you to use beliefs to achieve anything you wished. The best teacher is yourself. Sure someone can come in and tell you what to do, how to do it, but would you ever understand anything? Would you understand why you had to do what you did or gain any understanding? No. The real "magic" is your mind. A whole mind, not fractured into sub conscious and conscious. A mind that is honest with itself.

First you learn, then you know, once you know it will help you understand anything and everything. This applies to everything, all information you learn turns into knowledge. Knowledge will only give you "power" if you understand it and apply it.

A belief is still a lie, just one you accept or tell yourself in order not to learn. Human beings are meant to learn and gather information. Sure a teacher who has been through what you are going through would help, but eventually you'll surpass them quicker than they ever learned. And none of it will actually help if you don't understand anything.
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Re: Know anything about Chaos Magic?
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First you learn, then you know, once you know it will help you understand anything and everything.
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With regards to this subject, I'm afraid I'm still in the "first you learn" phase.

When I get to "then you know" phase - yeah!

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Get to the point, then shut up..
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First you learn, then you know, once you know it will help you understand anything and everything.
With regards to this subject, I'm afraid I'm still in the "first you learn" phase.

Wehn I get to "then you know" phase - yeah!
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See how those with beliefs treat you? You say chaos and magic and they think evil and satan. This is the biggest flaws of beliefs, they rarely, if ever, reflect reality/the universe.

Learning is fun, it's exciting and invigorating. Their minds stagnate, wither and die. Dementia sets in and destroys them as punishment.

Once you apply what you learn and see the results, you will know. Use that knowledge to gain understanding of the universe, yourself and other things. And never let it become a belief... if you find some evidence or proof that shows you as wrong, accept it, do not deny it for you would be denying a great chance to learn something important...

Each person has different interests and through what they find interesting is how they discover themselves and the universe. The learning never stops, unless you choose to do so.





GLP