Ten Commandments Abolished

Moses Comes Down from Mount Sinai

29 Moses came down from Mount Sinai, carrying the Ten Commandments. His face was shining brightly because the LORD had been speaking to him. But Moses did not know at first that his face was shining. 30 When Aaron and the others looked at Moses, they saw that his face was shining, and they were afraid to go near him. 31 Moses called out for Aaron and the leaders to come to him, and he spoke with them. 32 Then the rest of the people of Israel gathered around Moses, and he gave them the laws that the LORD had given him on Mount Sinai.

33 The face of Moses kept shining, and after he had spoken with the people, he covered his face with a veil. 34 Moses would always remove the veil when he went into the sacred tent to speak with the LORD. And when he came out, he would tell the people everything the LORD had told him to say. 35 They could see that his face was still shining. So after he had spoken with them, he would put the veil back on and leave it on until the next time he went to speak with the LORD. -- Exodus 34:29-35

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:z3: 836533, That's interesting, I'd didn't know that. But I still fail to see how it means that the Ten Commandments are of no effect. I cannot see anything which says/hints of that in the passage that you just quoted.

Lets start over now maybe a little........


836533

He danced right around the Issue........

the law brings death, the spirit brings life.....now that We know that the laws that were engraved in stone, were the TEN COMMANDMENTS.....
you guys may not like this verse....and I have never heard one preach on it....But it says they were what? done away......

and Jesus said that he came not do away with law ,but to fulfil it...But he was talking to Jews.......

Even though a Jew gets saved, he still keeps the law, but no longer for atonement, but for Identity

If you guys will slow down....we gonna show you something here.

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If tho shall not kill is one of the Ten Commandments...Why are people who believe in these Commandments okay with war?

Why do churches fight to see this message?

Because they can not retain power over the people without it..

It is a you better get right or else

Why not preach Gods love and let Holy Ghost convict them.....

There is a lot people think their name is "Holy Ghost"

Was King David not a man after Gods own heart....nobody did more killing at war than he did...........

In the law that day, it was already written that we should only have one wife....How many did he have?
he didn't get in trouble until Bathsheba... only reason that happened is because she was already married.

200 fore skins he Sauls daughter..

So there some things we as a church do not understand.......

Yet the church wants to beat with the law.

Lots Daughters got him drunk and slept with Him

We as Gentiles need Not to be playing with the law.......

And that's not to mention Solomon

War is necessary

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Anytime you believe that Grace is a licence to sin (disobedience to the Ten Commandments of the God and Father of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ)to Grace, yo are a deciever.

Now back to the Subject we started on

TRUE GRACE in Christ, which you cannot under the Law, and thats what Paul was trying to show us

Our Messiah’s Mission

Let me back up here a little and talk a little more about rightly dividing the Word of Truth. We are going to say two things that will go against your theology. We also would not say this if we could not prove it with scripture.

1st. Jesus came to save the World, but he came to minister to His chosen people. We will prove this.

Let us go to Matthew.

Matt 15:22-28
22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.

23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.

Now in the next verse who does Jesus say He is sent to?

24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.

26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children’s bread, and to cast it to dogs.

Whose Bread? The Jews

And how does she answer? She says truth Lord, She being a Gentile knows this is the truth.

27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.

28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour. KJV

Now by her faith her daughter was healed, but look at what Jesus said there.

Now we Gentiles are also saved by grace through faith, but this also tells us who the bread belongs to (the lost children of Israel).

Now, the second comment that we will say that will probably go against your theology is:

2nd. About the the four gospels, Matthew , Mark, Luke and John. It was all written for you (Gentiles), but it is not all written to you.

Now remember there were two Apostolic Offices created, Peter to the circumcised, and Paul to the heathens ( referring to Gentiles). Even though a Jew gets saved, he is still obligated to keep the law, not for salvation, but because that is a part of a Jew’s Identity. So sometimes when Jesus was speaking to Jews, He would refer to a situation, and say it to a believing Jew that still keeps the Law for sake of Identity.

Now when a teaching, and we do not rightly divide the word, not understanding who Jesus was talking to, we will teach or preach something that was meant for believing Jew who keeps the Law, to a Gentile, and error is inevitable, again this is dangerous.

Now this is where this subject gets heated with most people. Remember We said “It was all written for you, It just wasn’t all written to you”.

Hang in there, if you will keep reading, your going to see what G-d has shown me.

Once you see this, it will change you and grow you as a teacher, this is meat people, so your going have to read closely.

Now for a Gentile believer that keeps the Law of Moses that was not written to them or for them, now THIS IS DANGEROUS. We will prove by scripture every word of this statement.

Why?

What is the job or the purpose of the Holy Spirit? To reveal that Jesus was the Christ, that we needed a savior (Jesus). Right?

Now what happens if we (Gentiles) start keeping the Law? We are saying that Jesus was not enough, that he died in vain. If we attach the Law to something that was freely given, then we are in error.

That would be blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Now we will get back to this after I prove the Mission Of Our Messiah.

Now let me go a little further, even if we were good enough to keep it straight in our head, which I promise we can not, and kept the Law out of it’s beauty, and remember Paul said the Law was beautiful. What do you think would happen to young Christians around us, who looked up to us? We would have them all messed up and in danger.

That is why Paul preached to the Gentiles not to keep the law, even though, Paul, being a Jew and was saved, and kept the Law. Now back to the gospels, Jesus was ministering to the Jews, and again it was all written for us, but it was not ALL written to us.

Do not read into this, much of the gospels are good for Jews and Gentiles, but some of it was not. And that is how preachers and teachers get into error.

We are under the teaching of Paul. Now we are not saying that Paul is greater than Jesus, we are saying that the Father, Son and the Holy Ghost taught Paul and inspired him to write the letters in the new testament to teach us how be free in Christ and to be a good witness for Jesus, which will eventually help lead many people to Jesus and retain them. Remember in Acts chapter 15 proves that Paul was the apostle to Gentiles.

Let us Go to Isaiah ( Mission of the Messiah, A Mark of the New Dispensation )

Isa 42:7
7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. KJV

Isa 61:1
61:1The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; KJV

To bring Freedom right?

The truth is an Instrument of deliverance,

Let’s go to John

John 8:31-32
31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. KJV

He said the Word will set us free

In 2 Peter we were given all things to live G-dly

2 Peter 1:3-4
3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

Read this

4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. KJV

Was this talking about the Physical or the Spiritual? Even Paul’s confession says that he does what he know that he shouldn’t. Peter says in Acts chapter 15 that they or their fathers could not keep the Law. This what Jesus earned and freely gave to us.

We are Sanctified by Truth

John 17:17
17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. KJV

Heb 10:10
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. KJV

You must be obedient to John 7: 24

John 7:24
24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. KJV

Now the New Law of Life Sets us Free

Rom 8:2
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. KJV

Isa 42:6
6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; KJV

We are saved by our belief, true.

But if Grace is all that matters, afterwards, why did Messiah Himself tell those that he healed (essentially saving them) to 'go and sin no more'?

And if we are to not sin any longer...where do we go to define sin? Our own feelings, our own preceptions, only the words of Paul?

Or perhaps the written Word from the beginning to the end would be a better method of seeking righteousness.

'Go and sin no more'...sounds like there is still more work to be done in a believer's life than just getting saved.

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...and the truth is, you can not, by the Scriptures, demonstrate that obeying the Ten Commandments of God is sin...on-the-other-hand, I can prove that that disobedience to the Ten Commandments of God is sin.

See, we have not gotten to that yet

and your making assumptions

But let me ask you a Question

IF, and I am just asking a Question

what if we had a license to sin....Just what if.....

How would you use it?
that's what would separate true believers

And by the way you do sin, so do we have?
we'll get to that

What if I show that, THE CARDINAL SIN is keeping the law, ounce you have come to know Jesus?

If you pick up the Law after you come to know Jesus, then you are again trying to earn salvation, saying what?........
Jesus died in vein

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I would burn it.

What sin, since you seem to know, do I do?

1 John 1:8
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
KJV

John 8:7
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
KJV

Maybe you arrived slick...........I didn't

we will not see here a full manifestation, on this flesh.....our spirit yes.
I still wear this flesh, and it is not perfect

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How can you ever become what Christ intended you to become......If we spend our whole lives, and this is natural beating ourselves up,

There is only one that Got it right, and it is not me or you.

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Well said not important.

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1 John3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.



John 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

John 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

Jonh 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.

(again, what sin do I do?)

Nobody said that

or at least I didn't

I say we are not under the Law, and That Jesus died for my sins, past present and future......Paid in full.......

again what I do with that freedom is what Is important

Well praise God!
we're getting somewhere

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Sure got quiet around.........not gonna answer that One?

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seems you didn't burn that license

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Maybe, just maybe because you didnt' direct your question to anyone in particular?

look people, I dont know where the attitude came from....

If you can catch this, this will set you free to be more in Christ.....this IS NOT ABOUT a license to sin.......

it is about beating people up, instead of preaching Grace, and includes beating our selves up........

You how many people Just quit living for God because churches set this standard they cant live up to, God will do the work in their lives in HIS time not ours

Now lets move on

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For the third time, What sin are you accusing me of commiting?

OP, again, you can not, by the Scriptures, prove that obeying the Ten Commandments of the God and Father of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is sin, however, I have given some examples that disobedience to Them is sin..whats' your reply to my claim?

The Ten Commandments Abolished

2 Cor 3:3-17

3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

4 And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:

5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;

6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

In the Next verse it describes the Laws which were written in stone were what?

7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

Which glory was done away, the commandments were abolished…Now Read On

8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

he is saying that the ministration of the Spirit was more glorious

9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

Says it again!

12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:

The Veil

13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:

14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

Right here verse 15

15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

In verse15 when the laws of Moses is preached, it puts a veil over our eyes.

16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

TRUE LIBERTY

17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. KJV

Paul says those under the law have a veil over their heart and their eyes. It is self explanatory, I am only showing you what it says….I did not write it. It is in your bible too

The sad truth here is that this crushes about over fifty percent of the sermons that are taught and preached today. Many use the law to retain power and condemnation over you. Look what this does to the tithing message, though I give, but I give from my heart. We have no business as a church asking for money from those who do not have it. G-d will bless them anyway. Bet this message won’t explode in churches everywhere.

Now that we have that established, we will move on to the next lesson.

By now you all think I am Once saved always saved.......
well lets look at a few more things

Hey slick you were made perfect..

Not because you get it right..He got it right

Right what you are doing here.......Are you not tryng to be a bit of a stumbling block?

I do the same thing when see somebody preach something I have not seen before

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OP, thanks for the compliment...however, you seem to be contrary. First you claim that I sin then you wont' tell me what sin is it that I do, now you are accusing me of being perfet...which is it?...while doing all this, you now accose me of being a stumbling block..you seem confused.

Law & Grace


Mark 16:15-16
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
KJV

Sorry, I don’t see any attachments there. But somehow, in church from the pulpit, attachments seem to get there. If we don’t like a situation, then we find one those don’t eat or drink and put them out scriptures to stand on. Lets deal with one

1 Cor. 5:

1 Cor 5:11
11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
KJV

This scripture is way out context with the couple I used for an example. First, this was about a man sleeping with his fathers wife….if it was his mother, it does not say, regardless, in this story, the women belongs to his father, and this was a common problem and had to be stopped right then.

The couple we used as an example, do not belong to anyone else. G-d just has not moved in their life as fast as we would like to see. And as a church, we get legalistic and run them off before G-d is finished with them. We as a church, have forgotten that our job is to keep G-d in peoples lives, not kick them out because we don’t like the situation.

People, without TRUE FREEDOM, or serve Him out of fear, how can it be TRUE LOVE.

John 1:17
17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
KJV

It can’t make it any clearer than that