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Babylon The Great America

 
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Great Babylon is Rome! I mean it is so clear cut
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Just like this is a new Jerusalem?

Please
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if all this happened , who was the 144,000?
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If all this happened , tell Jesus I am mad.......
he has not been by to see me
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Are you saying that because the world around us is a mess that we can't be in New Jerusalem? I think that is what you mean. Well, I ask where does the Bible say that this earth that we stand on will ever be perfect again, with no sin? As long as people continue to have babies, then there will be sin. It is in everyone.

As christians we have to do our best to be as Jesus was, but we will never be perfect until we are in Heaven and are fully changed.

Let me ask you something: If Jesus were to come back tonight, how would the christians be made perfect?
Do christians not sin? How would we get these carnal, mortal bodies off of us?

Paul says 1 Corinthians 15:52-54, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound and the dead will be raised incorruptable and we shall be changed. For this corruption must put on incorruption and this mortal must put on immortality.

The passages before talk about our celestial bodies and our terrestrial bodies.

Then we have in verse 50, Now, this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God, nor does corruption inherit incorruption.

Think for a moment, Why would we need a celestial body, a body that is uncorruptable, a perfect body, soul, and spirit on Earth? What is Heaven for?

Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world".

New Jerusalem is not a perfect world yet, in Rev 22:15, speaking of New Jerusalem, "But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and whomever loves and practices a lie.

See, the wicked are still there but they are outside the gates.

The old covenant system was all the world knew back then. The entire Heavens and Earth was set up under this covenant. By ending this one and beginning the new, God has purchased back sinful man and restored the communion that Adam had with God before the fall.

This is what the entire Bible is about.


Where does the Lion lay with the Lamb?

ya thats is exactly what I am saying
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Sorry, I forgot to sign in. I am sure you know this is speaking figuretly speaking just like in Isaiah:


Isaiah 2:1-4 KJV Isaiah 2:1 ¶ The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem. 2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of YHWH'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. 3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of YHWH, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of YHWH from Jerusalem. 4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

The former Israel of the flesh were taught to defend the city with swords and spears. Nations likewise fought in the same manner to protect their Kingdom. But a time was coming when the Israel of God would be retrained, and instead of beating the hot metal into swords, or instead of fashioning spears, their swords would become plowshares, and their spears became pruning hooks.

Plowshares are farming tools used to prepare the soil for planting seed. Pruning hooks are tools used to cut-down the grapes from the vine. These are not to be taken literal, but spiritual. What then was Jehovah God trying to say? That the Israel of God would learn the ways of war no more, for their war was with weapons of faith; Spiritual Faith. We Christian soldiers don't use weapons of man to fight wars, but the word of God. For the word of God is living an active, sharper than any two-edged sword, able to penetrate even the sinew and bone. We plant seeds the hearts of men with the word of God. It was the Apostles who prepared the fields with their plowshares, and it was they also, who pruned the fruits of the garden, figurative for yielding many souls unto God.

Something else for you to consider. Man doesn't fight with swords or spears anymore. That method of battle hasn't been used in over a thousand years. We use tanks, planes, machine guns, missles, and other weapons; so does geographical Israel.

Last thing to consider. The Roman Empire is perhaps the strongest Empire of man ever to exist. Have you ever wondered how it was that the Kigndom of God (The Church) won such a great victory over this beast? And did the Christians use swords or spears to defeat them? Nope, they used the figures of plowshares and pruning hooks, by their planting of God's work into their hearts, and by sharing all the fruits of the Kingdom amongst themselves, they gained influence over many cities and eventually led to the death of the Beast, the Roman Empire.
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If what your saying is true, I've got an old life style

a band , women and cocaine that I want to get back....


I am disappointed with NEW JERUSALEM
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Please tell me you aren't serious about the above?

You are a new creation in Jesus and want cocaine and women?
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if all this happened , who was the 144,000?
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In Revelation it says they WERE sealed, not future tense.

They were of the twelve tribes.

That's another thing: How in the world can anyone on this Earth every be able to hold the qualifications of the Old Testament regarding tribes? They were required to keep their bloodlines pure....to a T!

They were required to do this to bring the Messiah. They are not able to track their genelogies like required in the Old. No one has pure blood like they did.
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Revelation 21:18-21
18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.
19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;
20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.
21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
KJV


And it says figurative where?

people wake up

I have 11 prophecies of the Messiah that said exact what would happen and how.........why wasn't that figurative?

I sowed you in black and white where isarel would become a Nation to the day
was Figurative?

I can show you pictures of Sodom and Gomorrah
Surfer stones found no where else in the world........

Science say they at 9000 degrees, science says it

was that figurative?

sea shells found on top of every mountain in the world from the flood

was figurative?

Come on people

was
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If all this happened , tell Jesus I am mad.......
he has not been by to see me
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You are mad at Jesus? For what? What more can He do for you that He hasn't already done? Is your life going to be a waste if you never see Him come back to Earth?

If that sums up your purpose in life, you are missing the whole point.

What exactly is He going to do for you if He ever does come back?
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If what your saying is true, I've got an old life style

a band , women and cocaine that I want to get back....


I am disappointed with NEW JERUSALEM


Please tell me you aren't serious about the above?

You are a new creation in Jesus and want cocaine and women?
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of course not but only because I know better..........

that is is the problem with that theology
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what kind of god full with materialism :D
no wonder all nations broke , all thier money and gold belong to god :p
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Revelation 21:18-21
18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.
19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;
20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.
21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
KJV


And it says figurative where?

people wake up

I have 11 prophecies of the Messiah that said exact what would happen and how.........why wasn't that figurative?

I sowed you in black and white where isarel would become a Nation to the day
was Figurative?

I can show you pictures of Sodom and Gomorrah
Surfer stones found no where else in the world........

Science say they at 9000 degrees, science says it

was that figurative?

sea shells found on top of every mountain in the world from the flood

was figurative?

Come on people

was
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All right, then, tell me where the Israelis have their plowshare and pruning hooks stored? Are they hidden in Jerusalem somewhere?
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I wasnt saved all my life, and hell was my middle name, I had a true conversion.....

Dont you think for a minute some of that life wasnt fun and I was good at it.

If God didnt come and get, I would be dead today

So don't you tell me what is figurative in the word....If it wasn't true

THIS BOY WOULDN"T BE HERE
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All right, then, tell me where the Israelis have their plowshare and pruning hooks stored? Are they hidden in Jerusalem somewhere?
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rephrase
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I wasnt saved all my life, and hell was my middle name, I had a true conversion.....

Dont you think for a minute some of that life wasnt fun and I was good at it.

If God didnt come and get, I would be dead today

So don't you tell me what is figurative in the word....If it wasn't true

THIS BOY WOULDN"T BE HERE
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I am so glad for you!! Why are you getting mad at me for saying my views? I don't claim to even have 1/10 of the Bible figured out. Just posting my thoughts.

Tell me why my posts on Mystery babylon and the 4 beasts are wrong, with scripture, pretty please?
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All right, then, tell me where the Israelis have their plowshare and pruning hooks stored? Are they hidden in Jerusalem somewhere?



rephrase
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What?
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what kind of god full with materialism :D
no wonder all nations broke , all thier money and gold belong to god :p
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It does belong to God......did you make the world?

you only have what God has given you
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All right, then, tell me where the Israelis have their plowshare and pruning hooks stored? Are they hidden in Jerusalem somewhere?



rephrase


What?
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Please rephrase the Question, be specific
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consider this passage:

Ezekiel 37:24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them. 25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

Is literal David going to be resurrected and then replace Jesus Christ as our "prince for ever"??? I think not! Who is the "one shepherd"? Literal resurrected David or Jesus Christ? I think the answer is clear. Therefore we know with great certainty that the prophecy of Ezekiel 36-37 contains elements that are not "literal" and that are fulfilled in Christ. This is confirmed in 2 Corinthians:

2 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, 18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

Compare this with Ezekiel:
Ezekiel 37:26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall bean everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore. 27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 28 And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.

Look at that. The prophecy connects the Tabernacle/Temple with God's promise that " I will be their God, and they shall be my people." We know from many passages of the NT that God's People are the "Temple of God."

Tell me what's wrong with that?
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I wasnt saved all my life, and hell was my middle name, I had a true conversion.....

Dont you think for a minute some of that life wasnt fun and I was good at it.

If God didnt come and get, I would be dead today

So don't you tell me what is figurative in the word....If it wasn't true

THIS BOY WOULDN"T BE HERE


I am so glad for you!! Why are you getting mad at me for saying my views? I don't claim to even have 1/10 of the Bible figured out. Just posting my thoughts.

Tell me why my posts on Mystery babylon and the 4 beasts are wrong, with scripture, pretty please?
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I am not mad, I have a message God has given me, It consumes my life...........Do you want me to show you places where Jesus got frustrated when preaching and People Jst couldn't get iT

I am no different than Him.
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All right, then, tell me where the Israelis have their plowshare and pruning hooks stored? Are they hidden in Jerusalem somewhere?



rephrase


What?



Please rephrase the Question, be specific
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If you are taking everything literally in the Bible, and Isaiah is future, then where do the Israelis have their plowshares and pruning hooks stored RIGHT NOW?
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When it truly comes from God........I mean truly comes from God......It really does consume your Life........

you talked about how hard you worked on that message you sent me.........
better go back and look through these nine pages
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I am going to show that the Beast of Daniel and Revelation is Rome 1st century.

4 beasts of Daniel=Lion, Leopard,Bear, and 4th with 10 horns
4th beast of Daniel with 10 horns=4th kingdom (Rome) upon the earth (Dan 7:23)

Beast of Revelation contains all the characteristics of Daniels 4 beasts (Lion, Leopard, Bear and 4th Beast)

4 beasts of Daniel rise up out of the sea (Dan 7:3)
Beast of Revelation rises up out of the sea (Rev 13:1)

Dan.7:3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.
Rev.13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.


4th Beast of Daniel has 10 horns which are 10 kings (Dan.7:24)
Beast of Revelation has 10 horns which are 10 kings (Rev.17:12)

Dan.7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
Rev.17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

4th Beast of Dan. given a mouth speaking great things against God (Dan.7:8).
Beast of Rev. given a mouth speaking great things against God (Rev.13:5)

Dan.7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
Rev.13:5 And there wasgiven unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

. 4th Beast of Daniel is given power to make war with the Saints of God until a time,
times, and the dividing of time [31/2 yrs] ending in its destruction (Dan.7:21)
Beast of Revelation is given power to make war with the Saints of God for 42 mo [31/2 yrs] ending in its destruction (Rev.13:7)

Dan.7:21 I beheld and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
Rev.13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

4th Beast is given power until God comes and gives judgment unto the Saints and they posses the kingdom. (Dan.7:22)
Beast of Revelation continues in power until judgment is given to the Saints and they reign with Christ (Rev.20:4)

Dan.7:22 Until the Ancient of days came and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
Rev. 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

4th Beast of Daniel is destroyed in the burning fire (Dan. 7:11).
Beast of Revelation is thrown into the Lake of Fire (Rev.19:20).

Dan.7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
Rev.19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

1st beast = the lion = Babylonian Empire
2nd beast = the bear = Medo-Persia Empire
3rd beast = the leopard = Greece
4th beast = Dreadful, with iron teeth = Roman Empire

MUCH OF YOUR ARGUMENT RESTS ON THE ABOVE FOUR DESIGNATIONS. TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THESE ARE NOT ASSIGNED AS SUCH IN SCRIPTURE.....BUT RATHER THESE ASSIGNMENTS COME FROM MAN-MADE BOOKS THAT SPECULATE ABOUT THE END TIMES.
BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT MIXING IN MADE-MADE TEACHINGS IN WITH SCRIPTURE. ONE OF SATAN'S CHARACTERISTICS IS TO PRESENT HALF-TRUTHS THAT SOUND GOOD....TO LEAD PEOPLE DOWN A WRONG PATH...DIVIDE CHRISTIANS,,,,LEAD PEOPLE AWAY FROM CHRIST...ETC. IF THE ABOVE 4 DESIGNATIONS ARE SPECIFICALLY DESIGNATED IN SCRIPTURE SOMEWHERE, PLEASE GIVE THE PASSAGES TO ME...AND ACCEPT MY APOLOGY.

Now the next step is to uncover what time period of the Roman Empires existence Revelation is speaking of. The best place to start is in Revelation 11 which begins with the Apostle John being given a vision of the Temple in the Holy city Jerusalem, and he is told to measure it (the Temple is still standing at the time of his vision), but to leave out the outer court and the city for that is given to the Gentiles to trample underfoot. Also John is shown the two witnesses who prophesy in the great city “Jerusalem” where our Lord Jesus Christ was crucified, and are killed by the Beast.
Rev. 11:1- 3 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein . But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth….7) And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.



From that vision we know that the time period John is being shown is before Jerusalem was destroyed by Rome in 70AD. He saw the vision of the Temple still standing and the Gentiles (Roman army) trampling the Holy city, giving a time period of 42 months for that to continue. Then there is a concurrent time period of 1260 days in which the two witnesses prophesy before the Beast kills them and there bodies lie in the streets of Jerusalem (Sodom and Egypt where Jesus was crucified) for 3 1/2 days. From the above information a time line can be drawn up to show the time of these events.




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I wasnt saved all my life, and hell was my middle name, I had a true conversion.....

Dont you think for a minute some of that life wasnt fun and I was good at it.

If God didnt come and get, I would be dead today

So don't you tell me what is figurative in the word....If it wasn't true

THIS BOY WOULDN"T BE HERE


I am so glad for you!! Why are you getting mad at me for saying my views? I don't claim to even have 1/10 of the Bible figured out. Just posting my thoughts.

Tell me why my posts on Mystery babylon and the 4 beasts are wrong, with scripture, pretty please?



I am not mad, I have a message God has given me, It consumes my life...........Do you want me to show you places where Jesus got frustrated when preaching and People Jst couldn't get iT

I am no different than Him.
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You and I are the same creature, friend. But you do seem to be mad at my view. What about it takes away from yours?
What about it makes Jesus' message any different or any less?
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I am going to show that the Beast of Daniel and Revelation is Rome 1st century.

4 beasts of Daniel=Lion, Leopard,Bear, and 4th with 10 horns
4th beast of Daniel with 10 horns=4th kingdom (Rome) upon the earth (Dan 7:23)

Beast of Revelation contains all the characteristics of Daniels 4 beasts (Lion, Leopard, Bear and 4th Beast)

4 beasts of Daniel rise up out of the sea (Dan 7:3)
Beast of Revelation rises up out of the sea (Rev 13:1)

Dan.7:3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.
Rev.13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.


4th Beast of Daniel has 10 horns which are 10 kings (Dan.7:24)
Beast of Revelation has 10 horns which are 10 kings (Rev.17:12)

Dan.7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
Rev.17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

4th Beast of Dan. given a mouth speaking great things against God (Dan.7:8).
Beast of Rev. given a mouth speaking great things against God (Rev.13:5)

Dan.7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
Rev.13:5 And there wasgiven unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

. 4th Beast of Daniel is given power to make war with the Saints of God until a time,
times, and the dividing of time [31/2 yrs] ending in its destruction (Dan.7:21)
Beast of Revelation is given power to make war with the Saints of God for 42 mo [31/2 yrs] ending in its destruction (Rev.13:7)

Dan.7:21 I beheld and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
Rev.13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

4th Beast is given power until God comes and gives judgment unto the Saints and they posses the kingdom. (Dan.7:22)
Beast of Revelation continues in power until judgment is given to the Saints and they reign with Christ (Rev.20:4)

Dan.7:22 Until the Ancient of days came and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
Rev. 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

4th Beast of Daniel is destroyed in the burning fire (Dan. 7:11).
Beast of Revelation is thrown into the Lake of Fire (Rev.19:20).

Dan.7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
Rev.19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

1st beast = the lion = Babylonian Empire
2nd beast = the bear = Medo-Persia Empire
3rd beast = the leopard = Greece
4th beast = Dreadful, with iron teeth = Roman Empire

MUCH OF YOUR ARGUMENT RESTS ON THE ABOVE FOUR DESIGNATIONS. TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THESE ARE NOT ASSIGNED AS SUCH IN SCRIPTURE.....BUT RATHER THESE ASSIGNMENTS COME FROM MAN-MADE BOOKS THAT SPECULATE ABOUT THE END TIMES.
BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT MIXING IN MADE-MADE TEACHINGS IN WITH SCRIPTURE. ONE OF SATAN'S CHARACTERISTICS IS TO PRESENT HALF-TRUTHS THAT SOUND GOOD....TO LEAD PEOPLE DOWN A WRONG PATH...DIVIDE CHRISTIANS,,,,LEAD PEOPLE AWAY FROM CHRIST...ETC. IF THE ABOVE 4 DESIGNATIONS ARE SPECIFICALLY DESIGNATED IN SCRIPTURE SOMEWHERE, PLEASE GIVE THE PASSAGES TO ME...AND ACCEPT MY APOLOGY.

Now the next step is to uncover what time period of the Roman Empires existence Revelation is speaking of. The best place to start is in Revelation 11 which begins with the Apostle John being given a vision of the Temple in the Holy city Jerusalem, and he is told to measure it (the Temple is still standing at the time of his vision), but to leave out the outer court and the city for that is given to the Gentiles to trample underfoot. Also John is shown the two witnesses who prophesy in the great city “Jerusalem” where our Lord Jesus Christ was crucified, and are killed by the Beast.
Rev. 11:1- 3 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein . But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth….7) And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.



From that vision we know that the time period John is being shown is before Jerusalem was destroyed by Rome in 70AD. He saw the vision of the Temple still standing and the Gentiles (Roman army) trampling the Holy city, giving a time period of 42 months for that to continue. Then there is a concurrent time period of 1260 days in which the two witnesses prophesy before the Beast kills them and there bodies lie in the streets of Jerusalem (Sodom and Egypt where Jesus was crucified) for 3 1/2 days. From the above information a time line can be drawn up to show the time of these events.




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The entire text of my post is FULL of scripture. I am showing that the same passages are in different books of the Bible. It's like a puzzle you just need to put it together.

I did not get ONE bit of this from any other book than the Bible.

Show mw where I did not quote scripture?

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consider this passage:

Ezekiel 37:24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them. 25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

Is literal David going to be resurrected and then replace Jesus Christ as our "prince for ever"??? I think not! Who is the "one shepherd"? Literal resurrected David or Jesus Christ? I think the answer is clear. Therefore we know with great certainty that the prophecy of Ezekiel 36-37 contains elements that are not "literal" and that are fulfilled in Christ. This is confirmed in 2 Corinthians:
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Jesus was a descendant in the Human Blood line , not talking about the Spiritual

He was of the Tribe of Judah

Jesus was called the Lion of Judah.
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consider this passage:

Ezekiel 37:24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them. 25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

Is literal David going to be resurrected and then replace Jesus Christ as our "prince for ever"??? I think not! Who is the "one shepherd"? Literal resurrected David or Jesus Christ? I think the answer is clear. Therefore we know with great certainty that the prophecy of Ezekiel 36-37 contains elements that are not "literal" and that are fulfilled in Christ. This is confirmed in 2 Corinthians:



Jesus was a descendant in the Human Blood line , not talking about the Spiritual

He was of the Tribe of Judah

Jesus was called the Lion of Judah.
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But it says David will be King. He is coming back too?
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who said you did not quote scripture?


I said you had the Revived Roman Empire right
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who said you did not quote scripture?


I said you had the Revived Roman Empire right
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The other poster, He quoted my post and wrote inbetween the text of my post. I wasn't talking to you. Sorry you thought I was.
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consider this passage:

Ezekiel 37:24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them. 25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

Is literal David going to be resurrected and then replace Jesus Christ as our "prince for ever"??? I think not! Who is the "one shepherd"? Literal resurrected David or Jesus Christ? I think the answer is clear. Therefore we know with great certainty that the prophecy of Ezekiel 36-37 contains elements that are not "literal" and that are fulfilled in Christ. This is confirmed in 2 Corinthians:


But it says David will be King. He is coming back too?
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Now look great point!

Who was it that the Jews looking for when John The Baptist was born.....................

Please answer
the Jews missed Jesus over this very thing

Be careful your gonna learn something here

Who were they looking for that would proceed the Messiah?

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consider this passage:

Ezekiel 37:24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them. 25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

Is literal David going to be resurrected and then replace Jesus Christ as our "prince for ever"??? I think not! Who is the "one shepherd"? Literal resurrected David or Jesus Christ? I think the answer is clear. Therefore we know with great certainty that the prophecy of Ezekiel 36-37 contains elements that are not "literal" and that are fulfilled in Christ. This is confirmed in 2 Corinthians:


But it says David will be King. He is coming back too?


Now look great point!

Who was the Jews looking for when John The Baptist was born.....................

Please answer
the Jews missed Jesus over this very thing

Be careful your gonna learn something here

Who were they looking for that would proceed the Messiah?
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They "missed"Jesus over a lot of reasons. Which one are you referring to?





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