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Babylon The Great America

 
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you go back and the part you said off my name........

No body said anyone will get saved without Jesus. its not there Hour yet, they will all come to know Jesus

your another one....where do you people get this stuff.

They did not Reject Him , They blinded so we could get in...........

selfish thinking on your part
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Why are you getting mad at me? I have been nothing but nice. I have come here to share my thoughts and get called selfish? Nice christian attitude, brother.

So, answer the question: Since Jesus, what has happened to the unbelieving Jews who have died up until today? Are they in Heaven or Hell?
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6 million Jews died over that thinking (replacement Theology)

you think that way if you want, I won't tough it


Replacement theology? Who is being replaced? No one is being replaced when they believe in Jesus!

Let me ask you something: Where did history in the Bible stop and start? Meaning where is the Holocaust? Surely if they are still God's chosen, He would have warned them about Hitler...right? He has warned them of every other impending doom, sent prophets to warn them...why not in the 1930's? Where are the other World Wars in the Bible?

Tell me when history stopped and picked up again and why, please.
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why you don't believe the rest of what I showed you.
ether this Bible is all true or its not
Which is it brother?

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6 million Jews died over that thinking (replacement Theology)

you think that way if you want, I won't tough it


Replacement theology? Who is being replaced? No one is being replaced when they believe in Jesus!

Let me ask you something: Where did history in the Bible stop and start? Meaning where is the Holocaust? Surely if they are still God's chosen, He would have warned them about Hitler...right? He has warned them of every other impending doom, sent prophets to warn them...why not in the 1930's? Where are the other World Wars in the Bible?

Tell me when history stopped and picked up again and why, please.



why you don't believe the rest of what I showed you.
ether this is all true or its not
Which is it brother?
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Sorry, I am a bit slow at times....:) Tell me again what you want to show me. And I would appreciate you answering my questions, as well. Thanks.
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Where'd ya go, dude?
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Meaning where is the Holocaust? Surely if they are still God's chosen, He would have warned them about Hitler...right?

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Maybe Ahmadinejad is right and the holocaust is a hoax.



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You can't take one part of Romans and make a whole doctrine out of it. Read the WHOLE book of Romans, especially chapter 9. There is something that they hsve to do to be a part of Israel...



What has happened to all the Jews who were/are unbelievers from the time of Jesus til now? Are they in Heaven or Hell?
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The Jews-can-do-no-wrong mythology seems to not handle logical questions.
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That is what happens when Pastors don't do their homework....and teach theology and mislead there people......Boy that makes me mad


Speak for yourself, friend. I am 29 years old and left the church about 3 years ago. I need no pastor to read the Bible.
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809529,

I think you did not leave the real church, only a man made false one.
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the usa is babylon. it has moved all around the world. it is always the power seat of the world, that is how you can track where it's been. it always falls, and runs to the next place. some call it the white eyed monster. where it resides is the vortex of evil. just look at the crime stats for the usa. behold it's gov't. it is plain enough for a child to see, but the blind will not see it. it has run to it's last place now, eons of this war, it is almost endgame, and babylon will fall and rise no more. thank God. i have no religion btw.
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Sorry lost my connection...........we loose it at peak times
I have to finish it later.....
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This is my Answer

Why Has Thou Forsaken Me

There is a very intelligent lady that Others and myself preach to on a regular basis on a web site called “Israel Today”. She is not a Jew, she has chosen at this point in her life to live under the law, and studies under the Torah, which is fine IF you are a Jew. She asked me; “if Jesus was the son of G-d, why did he turn his back on him at Calvary?

this is how I answered

First

Paul said;

1 Cor 7:18
18 Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.
KJV

Most of us understand that this was talking about A Jew should not become a Gentile, and a Gentile should not become a Jew.

In defending her belief that Jesus was NOT the Messiah when I was preaching Jesus, asked me a question.

Why did G-d turn His back on Jesus when he was crucified? Here is where she got this

Matt 27:46
46And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? KJV

Well what a question,

Now most of us understand that in that ninth hour that Jesus bore the sins of the World, and in that hour G-d could not look upon Him…..This is what the Church teaches and it is true…Good stuff.

But out of the mouth, see what Jesus said here

Matt 15:10-11
10 And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:

11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
KJV

She was trying to create doubt, with others readers following our conversation.

This has been all over me.

SO THIS is WHERE I’M GOING WITH THIS

Now anyone out there who is a Mom Or A Dad will tell you that a child at about the age of two or three, children get a little confidence, and they go through a stage called
” I can do it myself “

How many Christians are stuck here? And here is how its happens

James 2:20
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? KJV

Boy does this get messed up. Follow me here, we will get to the question of ” why G-d turned his back on Jesus? “

Lets back up a little, FIRST James also said JUST BEFORE THAT

James 2:18
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
KJV

Faith First People

Now, your works without a completion of faith, IS WORTHLESS.

Jesus was all G-d, right?. Jesus was all Man, right?

Jesus had all the temptations that we had, for Jesus to bear the sins of all mankind, he had to defeat Satan under the circumstances that man suffered. What Jesus did on the cross would have been for nothing without what?

Faith!

When G-d turned His back on Jesus, the sin that he was bearing, the Pain that He was suffering, the rejection that He was feeling, he like man had to operate under complete what?

Faith!

When G-d turned His back on Jesus, He was completing the Faith of Jesus.
Without the completion of faith in Jesus, what Jesus was doing for us, would have been worthless.

In the ninth hour on the cross, in the absence of G-d, Jesus right then, was all man, Jesus was operating on faith alone, this trial that he was suffering would have failed without what? HIS FAITH!

If Jesus was all man, then he also had a free will. So he knows the thoughts we suffer, the questions we suffer and the doubt.

When an absence of G-d comes your way, G-d is completing your faith….Mine lasted seven years. I would pray, and get nothing, I would get mad at G-d, and get nothing, I would cry to God, and got nothing. It was the best thing that ever happened to me. You see in my case I held somebody in my life in a very high esteem, too high, So G-d allowed a division to come between me and this person, and now I was lost. So G-d jerked the rug out from under me.
How many of us fail here?

Paul said;

Rom 8:28
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
KJV

He did not say all good things, he said all things.

And doing works is not keeping the Law

Definition for: works
NT:2041
ergon–

1) business, employment, what anyone is occupied with, that which one undertakes to do, an enterprise, an undertaking

2) any product whatever, anything accomplished by hand, art, industry, or mind

3) an act, deed, thing done; the idea of working is emphasized in opposition to what is less than work

Doing works is absolutely worthless until have come to the knowledge and UNDERSTANDING of TRUE FREEDOM IN CHRIST.

When you come to a completion of faith, your every desire will be to do the works of the Father, and all good desires come from G-d. Until then, seek your faith. Does this mean I am perfect, OH NO, I still wear this flesh like anyone else, but I am made perfect in Jesus, and so are you.

You cannot and could not DO IT YOURSELF!

I can teach you all the scripture in the Bible, but it will mean nothing until revelation Knowledge comes from the Holy Spirit, Pray to G-d that the Holy Spirit will bring to you Revelation Knowledge

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That is what happens when Pastors don't do their homework....and teach theology and mislead there people......Boy that makes me mad


Speak for yourself, friend. I am 29 years old and left the church about 3 years ago. I need no pastor to read the Bible.


809529,

I think you did not leave the real church, only a man made false one.
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Thank you, friend. I meant to say exactly what you did. Thanks for understanding me. Why some christians get mad at my view that Jesus completed all, is beyond me.
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Meaning where is the Holocaust? Surely if they are still God's chosen, He would have warned them about Hitler...right?





Maybe Ahmadinejad is right and the holocaust is a hoax.



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Wow, the nasty comments from Christians on here. I expect it from others, but professing Christians attacking each other...I don't get it.

Dr. Doom, where did I say the holocaust was a hoax? All I am asking is if Revelation is future, where are all the events in between? Where does history in the Bible stop and pick up again?
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This is my Answer

Why Has Thou Forsaken Me

There is a very intelligent lady that Others and myself preach to on a regular basis on a web site called “Israel Today”. She is not a Jew, she has chosen at this point in her life to live under the law, and studies under the Torah, which is fine IF you are a Jew. She asked me; “if Jesus was the son of G-d, why did he turn his back on him at Calvary?

this is how I answered

First

Paul said;

1 Cor 7:18
18 Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.
KJV

Most of us understand that this was talking about A Jew should not become a Gentile, and a Gentile should not become a Jew.

In defending her belief that Jesus was NOT the Messiah when I was preaching Jesus, asked me a question.

Why did G-d turn His back on Jesus when he was crucified? Here is where she got this

Matt 27:46
46And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? KJV

Well what a question,

Now most of us understand that in that ninth hour that Jesus bore the sins of the World, and in that hour G-d could not look upon Him…..This is what the Church teaches and it is true…Good stuff.

But out of the mouth, see what Jesus said here

Matt 15:10-11
10 And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:

11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
KJV

She was trying to create doubt, with others readers following our conversation.

This has been all over me.

SO THIS is WHERE I’M GOING WITH THIS

Now anyone out there who is a Mom Or A Dad will tell you that a child at about the age of two or three, children get a little confidence, and they go through a stage called
” I can do it myself “

How many Christians are stuck here? And here is how its happens

James 2:20
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? KJV

Boy does this get messed up. Follow me here, we will get to the question of ” why G-d turned his back on Jesus? “

Lets back up a little, FIRST James also said JUST BEFORE THAT

James 2:18
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
KJV

Faith First People

Now, your works without a completion of faith, IS WORTHLESS.

Jesus was all G-d, right?. Jesus was all Man, right?

Jesus had all the temptations that we had, for Jesus to bear the sins of all mankind, he had to defeat Satan under the circumstances that man suffered. What Jesus did on the cross would have been for nothing without what?

Faith!

When G-d turned His back on Jesus, the sin that he was bearing, the Pain that He was suffering, the rejection that He was feeling, he like man had to operate under complete what?

Faith!

When G-d turned His back on Jesus, He was completing the Faith of Jesus.
Without the completion of faith in Jesus, what Jesus was doing for us, would have been worthless.

In the ninth hour on the cross, in the absence of G-d, Jesus right then, was all man, Jesus was operating on faith alone, this trial that he was suffering would have failed without what? HIS FAITH!

If Jesus was all man, then he also had a free will. So he knows the thoughts we suffer, the questions we suffer and the doubt.

When an absence of G-d comes your way, G-d is completing your faith….Mine lasted seven years. I would pray, and get nothing, I would get mad at G-d, and get nothing, I would cry to God, and got nothing. It was the best thing that ever happened to me. You see in my case I held somebody in my life in a very high esteem, too high, So G-d allowed a division to come between me and this person, and now I was lost. So G-d jerked the rug out from under me.
How many of us fail here?

Paul said;

Rom 8:28
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
KJV

He did not say all good things, he said all things.

And doing works is not keeping the Law

Definition for: works
NT:2041
ergon–

1) business, employment, what anyone is occupied with, that which one undertakes to do, an enterprise, an undertaking

2) any product whatever, anything accomplished by hand, art, industry, or mind

3) an act, deed, thing done; the idea of working is emphasized in opposition to what is less than work

Doing works is absolutely worthless until have come to the knowledge and UNDERSTANDING of TRUE FREEDOM IN CHRIST.

When you come to a completion of faith, your every desire will be to do the works of the Father, and all good desires come from G-d. Until then, seek your faith. Does this mean I am perfect, OH NO, I still wear this flesh like anyone else, but I am made perfect in Jesus, and so are you.

You cannot and could not DO IT YOURSELF!

I can teach you all the scripture in the Bible, but it will mean nothing until revelation Knowledge comes from the Holy Spirit, Pray to G-d that the Holy Spirit will bring to you Revelation Knowledge
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BRAVO!!! Beautiful, just, Beautiful. Praise Jesus!!
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Meaning where is the Holocaust? Surely if they are still God's chosen, He would have warned them about Hitler...right?





Maybe Ahmadinejad is right and the holocaust is a hoax.



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Dr. Doom, where did I say the holocaust was a hoax?


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Are you Ahmadinejad ?

If not, you need to work on your reading comprehension skills.


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Honeymoon, Destruction & Tribulation


Honeymoon, Destruction & Tribulation

There are two Great events , one will happen right before the other that will lead into the tribulation period, the beginning of the Millennium. Let us take a look at how the Bible says these two events will take place. G-d makes us a promise, and this promise should bring hope and eliminate any fear that grips us the hour in which we live. Smile, this is good news!

Job 5:19-21
19 He shall deliver thee in six troubles: yea, in seven there shall no evil touch thee.

20 In famine he shall redeem thee from death: and in war from the power of the sword.

21 Thou shalt be hid from the scourge of the tongue: neither shalt thou be afraid of destruction when it cometh.
KJV

Here in verse 21 Thou shalt be hid: #2244

OT:2244
Comes from the Hebrew word: chaba’ –
to withdraw, to hide
a) (Niphal) to hide oneself
b) (Pual) to be forced into hiding
c) (Hiphil) to hide
d) (Hophal) to be hidden
e) (Hithpael)
1) to hide oneself, to draw back
2) to draw together, to thicken, to harden

Now what is this talking about here? Let us look at couple more verses

1 Thess 5:3-5
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. KJV

This is an appointed time

1 Thess 5:9
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

All these verses are saying that something about Great Event is about to take place, G-d is about to turn loose His Wrath on Babylon The Great, But we have a promise, all these scriptures say that we will not be harmed , but hidden away, for the day of his wrath is not appointed to the Church, His Bride. Now because of the length of this subject, I am only using Key verses, Email me if you would like more on any particular subject. Let us move on.

Look Here in Isaiah


Isa 57:1
57:1 The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come. KJV
Where will he hide us?

We will be with Him (Jesus), he is coming to get His Bride(the Church), we will be on our Honeymoon.

1 Cor 15:52
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
KJV

The Rapture of the Church will be at the sound of the Last Trump. This will take place when? Refer back to Three Feast of Trumps, the time line of this Event. Let us go to John 7:5

John 7:5

5 For neither did his brethren believe in him. KJV

Now why did I use John 7:5 this is going to get tricky not teaching this in person, but if you follow close I think you will get it.

Jesus’ brothers did not believe he was the Messiah, but later on in the Bible James did come to know he was the Christ. What made James a believer?

The Resurrection! Just hold this thought!

Follow me close here, I am going to give you an outline that most of you have probably never been taught at your local church. Why? Teachers do not teach from the Jewish Perspective. The Jewish people know things from the Hebrew that we as Gentiles can’t possibly know, because it was written to them. Jesus came to save the world, but he came to minister to the Jew. It’s just the way G-d chose to deliver His word, so don’t be offended. He still died for you and me. This is nothing that is going to change anything about Jesus being our Savior, but it really brings to light how all this will go down. Just follow me and I will give you sound scripture for all that I say.

The 144,000, the Sealed

My Outline Below: Then we will get to the (why)s, (what)s and the (Where)s of this

The 144,000 Jews, the 12 tribes of 12,000, or The Sealed as they are called by all of these names, are in Babylon The Great right now. They are not saved or sealed by G-d, yet. The Sealed, at this point are still Orthodox Jewish believers. They are not in Israel, but they will be. Just like the first, Babylon the City, the Babylon The Great has right now, today, has more Jewish people residing there than Israel. (showing how Babylon The Great absolutely cannot be Iraq). And of course, I’ll show you why the 144,000 are in Babylon the Great right now, today. Go to Rev. 18:4

Rev 18:4

4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. KJV

Now how do I know this is talking about the 144,000 Jews, the 12 tribes of twelve thousand, or the Sealed? This verse is not talking about the Church, The Bride. I will show you. here In Rev. 4:1

The Rapture of the Church

Rev 4:1
4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
KJV

Now hear me out, The Church, (the Bride) is raptured here in Rev 4:1 and is not mentioned again until the 19th Chapter Verse14 of Revelation when the Bride returns with Jesus. That is how I know that the 144,000 are not saved either or sealed yet, BECAUSE if they were, they would have been raptured with the Church (the Bride), but they remained on earth to witness to Israel. Three years into the Tribulation Israel will get saved.

Now what will cause the 144,000 to come out of Babylon the Great and return to Israel? Look Back Rev. 18:4

Rev 18:4
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
KJV

The Rapture! When the Rapture happens, the 144,000 will realize that JESUS was the Messiah, and they will have 7 days to flee from Babylon. Read Rev 18:4 again, G-d warns his people to get out of her. Remember, Jesus’ brother did not believe in Him till what happened? The Resurrection. Remember what The Rabbi wrote in 1000 A.D. in Babylon The City, The Tenth Reason for the blowing of the Shofar (The Trumpet) on Rosh ha Shanah is The Resurrection Of The Dead. After the Rapture takes place in the World, is when, the 144,000 will come to know Jesus was the Messiah, and flee to Israel.

So here it is in a nut shell, The Rapture will Happen on Rosh ha Shanah, at the sound of the Shofar (the Trump), the 144,000 thousand will have seven days to flee Babylon, and on the eighth Day:

ON THE EIGHTH DAY…BABYLON THE GREAT WILL BE DESTROYED! Never to be inhabited by man and animal again. It will be a dwelling place for Demon’s. For in one hour she shall be destroyed.

Rev 18:2

2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. KJV

Rev 18:10

10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.
KJV

And also in Isaiah, they are not about animals, the creatures described here are symbolic of demon’s

Isa 13:19-22

19 And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees’ excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.

20 It shall never be inhabited, neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation: neither shall the Arabian pitch tent there; neither shall the shepherds make their fold there.

21 But wild beasts of the desert shall lie there; and their houses shall be full of doleful creatures; and owls shall dwell there, and satyrs shall dance there.

22 And the wild beasts of the islands shall cry in their desolate houses, and dragons in their pleasant palaces: and her time is near to come, and her days shall not be prolonged. KJV

The good news is WE WILL BE WITH JESUS… AMEN! GLORY TO GOD


Fear will grip the earth, the Anti-Christ will call an Emergency Meeting, with the ten nations, he the Anti Christ will kick three kings out but retain power over the those countries, and will sign a peace treaty with Israel for 7 years, and will violate it 3 1/2 years into the Treaty.

Jer 50:46

46 At the noise of the taking of Babylon the earth is moved, and the cry is heard among the nations. KJV

The word moved means: shaken or fear

NOW LET ME DEAL WITH A COUPLE OF ISSUES! GLORY TO G-D!


How can I say that the Rapture will happen on Rosh ha Shanah? Lets just deal with that.

Here is the famous argument! Let us go to Mathew and 1 Corinthians.

Jesus said:

Matt 24:36
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
KJV

Jesus was speaking to the Jews here, and there is something that was well known among the Jews, you can predict any feast in advance except one, Rosh ha Shanah, which is a 48 hour feast( called Tishri 1), and this feast does NOT start until the sighting of the NEW MOON. That is why when he said to the Jew’s who all knew this:

Matt 24:36
36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. KJV

No one knows which day they will spot the New moon or what hour, do you see that?

But read these scriptures again.

1 Thess 5:4-7
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. KJV

And the trump that is blown on Rosh ha Shanah is CALLED the Last Trump. Refer to Three Feast of Trumps on the Tabs, the first trump, the last Trump and the Great Trump all at different feast days. So look at this in first Cor. 15:52

1 Cor 15:52
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. KJV

That is the Rapture.

Now Let me deal with Two Issues .

1. Is a mistranslation in the Bible

2. Is a common misinterpretation

Get your Globe out, here is what it really says.

Isa 18:1-2
18:1 Woe to the land shadowing with wings, which is beyond the rivers of Ethiopia:

2 That sendeth ambassadors by the sea, even in vessels of bulrushes upon the waters, saying, Go, ye swift messengers, to a nation scattered and peeled, to a people terrible from their beginning hitherto; a nation meted out and trodden down, whose land the rivers have spoiled! KJV

*First, in verse one Ethiopia was translated from the word Cush, I have a copy of a anccient Biblical map that has two places named Cush. One in Ethiopia and one was in Mesopotamia. Some places in the Bible they left it Cush, why they did not here is beyond me. Babylon was never in Ethiopia, It was near Iraq, in Mesopotamia They should have left it Cush.

View This: Ancient Map of the time of Noah (click here)

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Second, it says beyond the Rivers and look at this next verse, and the same here with Ethiopia, but let’s deal with the two Rivers now

Zeph 3:10
10 From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia my suppliants, even the daughter of my dispersed, shall bring mine offering. KJV

Mesopotamia is the land where the first Babylon City was… Oh Don’t get to pulling up your britches to fast…Theere is another place to see beyond the two rivers

There is only one other country other than Iraq that is BEYOND or BETWEEN the Tigris and the Euphrates Rivers that fits all the descriptions on Babylon The Great!

Take your globe find the Rivers, find the 30 degree latitude line, go just above 1/4 inch of the 30 degree line. From the Tigris go west AROUND THE WORLD till you hit the hammer of the Earth, the greatest economic and military power in the world. Go east from the Euphrates and do the same. Beyond the rivers it says, There is your END TIME BABYLON THE GREAT!

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Now People You All NEED TO SEE THIS

1 Thess 5:3-5
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

Peace and safety

WHO GOT THE NOBEL PEACE PRIZE? or what peace prize he won? LOL
and can anybody tell me WHY?

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Now if there is anything that you want me to elaborate on.......feel free to ask, but this just about concludes my teaching on this Subject

If you don't know who it is by now < i cant help ya.

I hope you all learned some things and hope that I at least made you study and look at the Subject.........

If you guys want we can do another subject, let me know

May God Bless all of you...........

Watch Israel and Iran when that war starts........that following Rosh haShanah, I look for the Rapture.



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I think this information has been presented well.

May the ears who can hear it take it to heart.

I'm just waiting to hear that Gadol Shofar.
Kletos, Eklektos & Pistos
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PS Folks this is the day and the hour that if you have family that need to come to know Jesus, it is time to go home and Get your family ready to go

Brother you are not in darkness that this day should overtake you as a thief

why does he say to believers?

1 Thessalonians 5:4-6
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
KJV
Because it can overtake you.

if EVERY MAN HUSBAND and FATHER WOULD JUST GO HOME AND TEND TO HIS OWN GARDEN, IMAGINE HOW MANY WILL BE IN THE HONEYMOON WHEN JESUS COMES TO GET HIS BRIDE....JUST IMAGINE!!!!!!!!!

Amen

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I think this information has been presented well.

May the ears who can hear it take it to heart.

I'm just waiting to hear that Gadol Shofar.
 Quoting: czygyny



Praise God
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6 million Jews died over that thinking (replacement Theology)

you think that way if you want, I won't tough it


Replacement theology? Who is being replaced? No one is being replaced when they believe in Jesus!

Let me ask you something: Where did history in the Bible stop and start? Meaning where is the Holocaust? Surely if they are still God's chosen, He would have warned them about Hitler...right? He has warned them of every other impending doom, sent prophets to warn them...why not in the 1930's? Where are the other World Wars in the Bible?

Tell me when history stopped and picked up again and why, please.



why you don't believe the rest of what I showed you.
ether this Bible is all true or its not
Which is it brother?
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I can tell you that the bible is true in some ways.
It is true in a symbolical way and it also has truths about different parts of history.

I can tell you the problem with some christians is they think that the bible is meant to be read litterally.

It isn't the christians fault this was a devised plan so that the ones in charge will know the symbolic meanings while the ordinary people will read it litterally and believe it.

The good news is that everything is being revealed.So
do some research and find out for yourself I promise you will see a different side of the bible.
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bump
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bump bump
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It isn't the christians fault this was a devised plan so that the ones in charge will know the symbolic meanings while the ordinary people will read it litterally and believe it.


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The ones in charge........got a little company there

you let me know when you are ready to get rid of the "ones in charge"

I can help you with that, In the Name of Jesus

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It isn't the christians fault this was a devised plan so that the ones in charge will know the symbolic meanings while the ordinary people will read it litterally and believe it.




The ones in charge........got a little company there

you let me know when you are ready to get the "ones in charge"

I can help you with that, In the Name of Jesus
 Quoting: WSOPNE777


I don't have to get the ones in charge.Through whitleblowers and the consciousnees opening up we will see they're plans.
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It isn't the christians fault this was a devised plan so that the ones in charge will know the symbolic meanings while the ordinary people will read it litterally and believe it.


I don't have to get the ones in charge.Through whitleblowers and the consciousnees opening up we will see they're plans.
 Quoting: danhow



You creep me out man ..really!
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Danhow

My brother one time was asked by a lady to go pray for her grand kids, who had been foolin around with "dark Halls Of Power" junk.......

Her grandsons feet never were on the ground........

Well after several hours , he finally asked to get set free, and he was.

he said stuff like you do...

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It isn't the christians fault this was a devised plan so that the ones in charge will know the symbolic meanings while the ordinary people will read it litterally and believe it.


I don't have to get the ones in charge.Through whitleblowers and the consciousnees opening up we will see they're plans.



You creep me out man ..really!
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Just another anti-christ spirit wannabe on GLP(pray for them, their , friends, family, associates, employees and enemies Salvation, amen), do they really think the Anti-christ is going to just frequent GLP when on line, epic fail, AC wants it all, all information and news etc will he/it try to funnel through central points to/from a grand central point, my guess has to be Jerusalem, its historically relevant, not just my faith in YAHshua/Jesus
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bump

bump bump
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I am just a dumb country boy sometimes, somebody explain the Bump signs to me. LOL

growing up in Chicago in Little Italy, on Taylor St. This usually meant that somebody would disappear....LOL

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bump

bump bump


I am just a dumb country boy sometimes, somebody explain the Bump signs to me. LOL

growing up in Chicago in Little Italy, on Taylor St. This usually meant that somebody would disappear....LOL
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LOL, that was funny. It took me awhile to get the Internet lingo too. I think "bump" means they are posting to move the thread up further, so it dosen't move down or to the next page.
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shew!!!!!!!!!!!
...Im Glad, I thought I was joining Jimmy Hoffa
Thanks





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