How many failed to read and understand the QUESTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sir Kalin, Excellent work!

Good old preacher bob is fucked.

Let's just remind ourselves, before anyone takes these old folk tales to seriously, about how accurate there "prophesies" have been to date:

Daniel's image

Frankly, it's wrong. Not only are the "great empires" wrong The empires in the image were not world empires and Daniel completely failed to take into account the bigger empires in the Far East and South America but we know why that is. Because the humans who wrote that story were based in the Middle East and had no idea about the other continents let alone the people who inhabited them.

Not only that, but obviously it was written AFTER these "great empires" and in fact was no prophesy at all. We know that because it not only got its history wrong, but it actually failed to prophesy anything at all! It failed to prophesy the only genuine global empire that the world has ever seen: The British Empire. Not only did it fail in this, but is actually prophesied that EXACT OPPOSITE. It says that no other empires will come again. It will simply be weak and strong nations. Well, how wrong can you get?

So Daniel's image, the most often quoted "proof" of the divinity of the Bible proves itself wrong on several accounts: Incorrect history, incomplete geography and incorrect prophecy.

Hmmm... not good.

Ezekiel and Tyre
What can be said but "Oops"?
In Ezekiel 26 it is prophesied that Tyre will be completely destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar. Then "the Lord said" that Tyre would never be rebuilt again.

Unhappily for the believer not only did that fail to happen, but contrary to most towns and villages of the area, Tyre continued to prosper and remains right up to today. Go there on holiday if you want. Enjoy the place, it's a lovely area to visit.

This is again a prophecy that not only didn't happen but was spectacularly and undeniably wrong!

What really did happen? Nebuchadnezzar's siege failed and after 13 years, he was forced into a humiliating compromise. It was only 240 years later that Alexander the Great conquored the city but, again contrary to the prophesy it was rebuilt.

But, in fairness to Ezekiel, even he admitted he got it wrong (and as he clearly said "thus saith the Lord", so did God). you can read that dramatic climb-down in Ezekiel 29:17-20

Isaiah and Damascus
Oh dear!
Isaiah 17:1-2 says "Damascus will cease to be a city, and will become a heap of ruins. Her towns will be deserted forever."

Three millenia later and Damascus not only survives but it is a thriving, fantastic city.

Isaiah and Syria
This one is the Bible shooting itself in the foot. Isaiah 7:1-7 says that Syriah (kings Pekah and Rezin) would not conquor Israel, but we sse in II Chronicles 28:1, 5-6 that, er, Pekah and Rezin did just that.

Oh dear, oh dear!

Isaiah and the Nile
Well this is a bloomer on such a scale that it blows him completely out the water in terms of credibility. Isaiah 19:5-7 clearly states that the Nile will diminish and dry up. It will "be no more".

Hmm... why not take a cruise down the river one fine summer's day? It's lovely out there. The waters are so deep and wide. Makes for beautiful scenery against the backdrop of the rich and fertile banks that Isaiah said would be dry as a desert with nothing growing on them.

Ezekiel and the Nile
Not to be put off by his earlier failures, Ezekiel still got word "from the Lord" and had a crack at Egypt just like Isaiah did. Ezekiel 29:8-12:

"thus says the Lord God..and the land of Egypt shall be a desolation and a waste...no foot of man shall pass through it and no foot of beast shall past through it; it shall be uninhabited for forty years. And I will make the city of Egypt a desolation in the midst of desolated countries; and her cities shall be desolated forty years... I will scatter Egyptian among the nations, and disperse them through the countries."

Poor Ezekiel. God must have been joking with him! Egypt has never been desolate and waste. There has never been a single moment (let alone forty years) when Egypt was uninhabited. Neither Egypt nor its neighbours have ever been desolate countries. Civlisation has prospered there uninterrupted for all known history. Specifically, Egypt's cities has never been desolated for any period of time.

And finally, there was no Egyptian diaspora. Ever.

So this is error upon error upon error.

Not a great scorecard to far!

Jeremiah and Jehoiakim
Yet another man of God who seems to have the wrong message! This guy predicted that Jehoiakim
would not have a successor (Jeremiah 36:30). Unfortunately God seems to have mixed up the scri
pt because the Bible itself says that in fact Jehoiakim did get a successor (II Kings 24:6).

Kerpow! Shot in the foot.

Okay, so the Bible predicted (and failed) events concerning mere towns and cities and individu
al countries. So we know that it sees events at this level as worthy of prediction. How much s
o at a global level? Events that affect ALL towns in the region or ALL mankind? That would def
initely get a mention, right? I mean, wow, there must be so many predictions about the major e
vents in history. Provable predictions because the fact that they were predicted hundreds or e
ven thousands of years before the event would be undeniable.

Let's take a look.

Hitler

Boy did it miss out on one of the most important people in history to affect Jews, Christians
and the entire globe. It completely failed.

The purpose of "Bible prophecy" is to prove the Bible true and be a set of signposts for the f
uture. Well, hell, this is one huge blooper to miss out on!

The Inquisition
Another absent and extremely significant "for the sheep" development. In fact, of ALL the things to have prophesied, this would have been it. This certainly would have been the most useful and most provably accurate prophesy.

But, er... ooops!

Nil points.

The world wars
Sure there is general mumbo jumbo about "strife" and the rest that can be shoehorned by logical contortion to include the world wars, but the truth is that the Bible completely failed in this most significant of predictions.

In fact all the "great prophets" have failed to predict these events. These global events. These "you sure can't miss them if you really can see the future" events.

Global warming
Modern science predicts the effects of this.
The world is only just starting to see the results of it. We haven't event started the warmup act.

But the greatest book of all, the book people have lived and died by and for, the one that billions believe predicted the future has completely failed to precisely, accurately and clearly predict this catastrophe of catastrophes. This global calamity that will eclipse anything and everything that mankind has ever faced before.

Er... not even a whisper.

Now we know why that is, it's because, of course, such a concept was simply unimaginable to the folk who wrote these fables. And of course no-one can really see the future. In fact there isn't ONE prophesy in all the Bible that is a genuine prophesy. Not one thing that is clear, accurate and precise that can be proved to have been written before the events.

Moonlanding and space travel
Okay, there is doubt about the moon landing but you cannot doubt space travel. Yet oddly in a book that has a Tower of Babel incurring Gods wrath because of its height, not a mention of space travel.

Round Earth
Need we say more? God created the Earth yet didn't know it was round? And men were persecuted for daring to suggest such a thing? Surely an allknowing God would know that without mentioning this tiny fact, even just once, persecution, torture and all manner of evil would happen.

But, hmm... well, you know why the Good Lord didn't mention it.

Jesus
Well, this is the real kicker. Many say "oh but the Bibie predicted Jesus". Well, yes, the story of Jesus was written to fit in with previous messianic tales.

But see, Jesus never existed. Outside of the Bible fables and some copies of a Josephus manuscript that were altered by 1st century Christians to try to include a reference to this fictitious character (now why would they resort to forgery?), there is absolutely no writen documentation about any of these events in the very rich, very well documented history of the time.

There were many people recording the history of the time. Many manuscripts exist that record details and events tiny compared to an event that had the entire nation in uproar, the Roman Governor on the back foot and a botched, politically fraught trial. Oh, an event on that scale would have been recorded by at least 40 of the prominent scholars who were recording events at the time.

But yet... not a mention.

Why?
Because it never happened.

So yes, the Bible does "prophesy" Jesus... but only in the sense that any novel of fictional events sets the stage and then plays out the script. Nothing more than that.

The contradiction is that in Deuteronomy it says:
Deuteronomy 14:19
And every creeping thing that flieth is unclean unto you: they shall not be eaten.
(Basically implying that all (every) creeping thing that flies is unclean and shall not be eaten.)

But in Leviticus it says something different, that some kinds of creeping things that fly, yes you can eat.

Leviticus 11:21-23
Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth; Even these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and the bald locust after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the grasshopper after his kind. But all other flying creeping things, which have four feet, shall be an abomination unto you.

And what type of flying creeping things have four feet?)

So which is it?

Old Testament KJV Psalm
1:6 For the LORD knows the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.
2:1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,
2:3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
2:4 He that sits in the heavens shall laugh: the LORD shall have them in derision.

Ah, the good old believer's response. Don't address the issues, just refer to some crackpot moneymaker scam artist.

Yeppo.

But there is no need for that, simply answer the tidal wave of contradictions posted here.

Only, you can't

See?

You believe in invisible friends and they are simply not real. You believe in crap.

OK Einstein...

Just WHAT "God" DO you believe in? Please be specific.

For an added laugh, go see the crackpots over at answersingenesis.com. It's a hoot, especially seeing them trying to justify the flood story!

I go there when I need to laugh. It's actually a great pick-me-up because no matter how badly your day is going, you just been to go see how retarded those guys are to realise that even the worst in your own life is better than being in their shoes.

Quote:

"And how can simple verses enslave?"

Dude, ya gotta understand that wicked people consider obedience to God's commandments, as "slavery".

People who have absolutely NO intention of repenting, spend their live LOOKING for ways NOT to believe.

lives ^^^

ROTFL! Because, of course, back then the average age was 35 so these hoaxsters thought it a safe bet.

But... these days with our modern, clean living, scientific lifestyles and modern medicine a huge proportion of the population well exceeds 70 years and more and more people are exceeding 120 years. We have had several cases of people born in the late 1800s but that was just the start of the modern revolution.

As time goes on and babies born in the age of modern medicine are starting to age, the 120 years mark wil going to be as well and truly smashed as the 70 years mark was.

The scammers who first dreamed up these numbers fell victim of their own arrogance. They broke the golden rule of scamming: Never say anything definite. As long as you have mumbo jumbo that "needs to be interpreted" you are fine because you can keep changing the interpretation. But as soon as you say anything definite, you are fucked.

How can verses enslace? Look in the mirror, slave.

What a TOTALLY disingenuous lowlife deceptive BASTARD you are.

Slimeball.

Quote:

"How can verses enslace? Look in the mirror, slave."


Maybe you're a bit sensitive or something, but hey... I AM ON YOUR SIDE!

Read what i said again.

Sheeesssshhhh!

The first alleged contradictions posted were quickly debunked and the truth in scripture shown, you ignore and post pages without discussion.

Pick one.

[link to debate.org.uk]
101 Cleared-UP Contradictions in the Bible
[link to www.bringyou.to]
BIBLE CONTRADICTIONS ANSWERED
[link to www.carm.org]

bob, do you really believe the earth is only thousands of years old? c'mon man, science has taken a shit on your bible. it's time to start seeking the truth. you won't go to hell i promise. peace.

Daniel's image

The most famous prophecy of the Bible. Recognized by most all scholars as historic fulfillment, so much so they accuse of it having been written after the fact.

Daniel tells of four kingdoms, naming three and descibing the fourth:

Babylon
Medio-Persia
Greece
Rome


Daniel in Chapter 2 tells the King of Babylon he was the head of gold. Medio-Persia and Greece are revealed in ch 8. That only leaves Rome to fit the description.

Not only the four kingdoms but also that there would be no fifth. It says in ch 2 & 7 the fourth kingdom would divide into 10 kings/nations and then the little horn #11 would come on the scene causing 3 of the 10 to go extinct.

This happened with the fall of ROME and the rise of Papal ROME.

Visigoths - Spain
Anglo Saxons - England
Franks - France
Alemani - Germany
Burgundians - Switzerland
Lombards - Italy
Suevi - Portugal
Heruli - extinct
Ostrogoths - extinct
Vandals - extinct

Here is how Dr. Mervyn Maxwell, a theologian and historian, described the results in volume 1, page 129, of his book God Cares: "The Catholic emperor Zeno(474-491) arranged a treaty with the Ostrogoths in 487 which resulted in the eradication of the kingdom of the Arian Heruls in 493. And Catholic emperor Justinian(527-565) exterminated the Arian Vandals in 534 and significantly broke the power of the Arian Ostrogoths in 538. Thus were Daniel's three horns-the Heruls, the Vandals and the Ostrogoths-'plucked up by the roots'"

The Roman Empire still rules today and will until Christ returns. The whole Dan.7 ten horn section deals with the change from pagan rome to papal rome.

This fourth beast Roman Empire is then found in Revelation 13.

Beast we are told in Dan.7:23 are kingdoms, while horns we are told are kings v.24. Kings rule over nations, while kingdoms are empires composed of many nations.

[link to www.godssabbathtruth.com]
[link to www.who-is-the-antichrist.org]

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The British and Spanish empires served the Pope, just as the USA does today. The Russian and Eastern Orthodoxy are part of the eastern leg of the Roman Empire - Emperor Constantine founded Constantinople that was the eastern seat of the Roman Empire. Greek Constantinople became Byzantine and was conquered by Islam. The Greeks escaped to Russia. The Romans earlier had created Islam in 630. All of Islam is part of the eastern Roman Empire under the control of the pope.
[link to reformation.org]
Pope gives the world to the Spanish ( Inquisition ).
THE PAPAL BULL of 1493
[link to www.manataka.org]
[link to www.kwabs.com]
[link to www.reformation.org]

The Pope rules England since 1213, and before.
The Templars of the Crown
[link to www.freedomwriter.com]
John of England Submits 1213
[link to www.8wiki.com]
TROUBLE WITH THE CHURCH
[link to www.emersonkent.com]
The United States Is Still A British Colony
[link to www.biblebelievers.org.au]

After the Roman Empire creates Roman Catholicism they create Islam.

Vatican creates Islam
[link to babylonmysteryreligion.com]
[link to reformation.org]
[link to reformation.org]
Even the Nation of Islam
[link to www.essaysbyekowa.com]
book:
QUEEN OF ROME, QUEEN OF ISLAM, QUEEN OF ALL: The Marian apparitions' plan to unite all religions under the Roman Catholic Church
[link to www.biblebelievers.com]


Total Onslaught - The Islamic Connection
Prof. Walter Veith
[link to video.google.com]


Rev.12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Not to mention that the bible clearly states that a day is as a thousand years to God, and a thousand years as a day. Notice that NO ONE in the old testament lived more than a day (thousand years).

They DID die the same day that they sinned, if you take other relevant passages into consideration.

"Science" changes just about every year. The Lord God is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow.

How can ANY sane person actually place their faith in "science".

hope this is a little easier to see



Ok any better?




I am sorry for rushing past the first time.

Thanks for taking the time to clear up what you were asking.

Ok lets go over this from 2 points of view.

1- The earth is billions of years old. Ok what does that mean?

NO GOD- hopeless everything is for nothing, Go wild take what you can MIGHT=Right, He with Power writes the laws.

God- Just not the one of the Bible.?

Ok which one? Why should we care? back to Might=Right. Do what ever. No puishment, real punishment, just reicarnation, or bad karma, but no where is right and wrong laid out that makes sense. Plus if "he really wanted us to know he would have pointed the way"


or

2- There is a God, and he is the God of Abraham- Now we have a problem?

Which one is the True Keepers?

Jews? Muslims? Christians?


After much research, life experiences, Logical thought- observations.....


Jews are the Chosen people, They rejected Jesus and that allowed the rest of the world an opportunity to be grafted on to the promise made to his Chosen people.

I don't claim to know everything, I do know when I have gone against the bible, and believed something contrary, I have been made a fool.


People the world over can believe in UFO's, but not God?

The billion year old planet "theory"

ask yourself this. If God made Adam did he make a "baby" or a full grown man?

If he created Man and a group of aliens came by they would look around at full grown trees, A grown man, ect.... Man being Less than a day old, yet to them it would appear as more.


The world makes sense, I can explain things I see every day, I don't have to live a life like so many in denial of reality.


I can explain why there is evil, when the world thinks people are GOOD by nature.


I can explain why the Nazis hated the Jews so bad, and why even today so many have such a hate for them, and an Unnatural hate for Christians.

The list goes on and on.

This is a good question I too wondered about that.

But it is understood when you consider The Father, The Son and the Holy Ghost, All God, but not All in Charge.

Jesus submits to the Father.

Thanks for all the comments If there are more websites not listed I would love to know about them.

Science and the Bible do not disagree.

[link to www.reasons.org]

Oh Yes They Do!

The Babble cannot even agree with itself!

Sir.Kalin you are Failin!

Last Edited by TheRestless on 09/25/2009 06:35 AM

NO I am not dumbass.

You have FAILED to address any of the many contradictions I have posted here.

At this point you are not somebody I will even bother to communicate with anymore, EVEN IF YOU DID TRY.

So and GTFO!

Last Edited by Lord.Kayle on 09/25/2009 06:41 AM

Are you afraid?

does he bother you?


you forget it is not your thread

Thanks for the wonderful site

Bless you.

Jesus himself said that even the demons belive and they fear with great fear.

Jesus himself contradicts himself all-over-the-place too.

Shall I elaborate?