Would YOU like a Personal Relationship With GOD?- WHY WOULD I NEED THAT?

Why do we need Christ. Look around and you see evil in action, but the thing is, it is not just THEM it is everyone.

That's right NO ONE is perfect.

You may say then why should I listen to YOU. Good question.
I did not create these truths, so if you see a speed limit sign that warns you that the speed limit is 55, and you choose to speed. Does the sign give you a ticket. NO.

I am only the sign. NOT the police officer.

20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.
Eccl 7:20 (KJV)

10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Romans 3:10 (KJV)

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Romans 3:23 (KJV)


So now that you know that WE are not Perfect what Next?

Well we can do nothing. And then we pay for Not being perfect.

23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 6:23 (KJV)

Ouch Death. But hey we all die right. WELL not all.

And we only get Life through Jesus Christ.

But Death is more than death.

There is hell-

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Rev 20:12-15 (KJV)


Oh that is not so bad we spend some time in hell then we are cast in to the lake of fire and then we are no more.

or are we?

8 bringing judgment on those who do not wish to know God and who refuse to accept his plan to save them through our Lord Jesus Christ.
9 They will be punished in everlasting hell, forever separated from the Lord, never to see the glory of his power
2 Thess 1:8-9 (Living)

forever, everlasting, ouch, we don't like this.

What can we do. What Hope do we have.

Well God Loves us and did not forget about us.

So we have a debt to pay so lets pay it. How?

We can't we run up the bill too fast we can do more evil faster than we can do good, it is our nature.

Not to worry, God knows this but loves us and provides not because we earned it, not because he owed it to us but because he loves us.

15 And what a difference between man's sin and God's forgiveness! For this one man, Adam, brought death to many through his sin. But this one man, Jesus Christ, brought forgiveness to many through God's mercy.
16 Adam's one sin brought the penalty of death to many, while Christ freely takes away many sins and gives glorious life instead.
Romans 5:15-16 (Living)


Good news but what is the catch?

Well with all gifts we have to accept it. How?


9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Romans 10:9-10 (KJV)


All right I just bought me a free ticket!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Or did I? I don't feel any different? How do I know?

This I can not answer, this is the begining of YOUR journey. I can only help you along the way in things I have had to deal with.


I can not teach you how to FLY. I can teach you Calculus.

I can not teach YOU everything YOU need to KNOW. I can only share what I know.

God is not a genie that you rub the bible and make wishes, he is not someone that you make bargains with.

He is not A God that ORDERS you around FOR his BENEFIT,

When most of us in life mess up there are 2 consequences

for wrong behavior,

First the immediate, you wreck your car and you are drunk, YOU have totaled your CAR. OUCH.

Second- Punishment- OUCH I hit another car and have to pay for HIS CAR TOO. DOUBLE OUCH.

How could that have been avoided?

Don't drink and drive.

How do we know what is GOOD for us.

The bible. Which one.. so much out there...


But now we are into GROWTH Issues not Salvation ISSUES.

Another Thread

Christ is "the annointed." He is not God.

Nobody walking around on this hard ground is "God."

God has no incarnate body; He is seen as a Cloud or as a Burning Flame.

Now, Yeshua Ben Joseph was a fine man who claimed he was going to organize a Kingdom that would teach Peace.

Wherd' did HE EVER GO?

He's not been here in a while; maybe He left the building?

But God's still here. Rain still falls on the righteous and the unrighteous. The fig tree still bears fruit, and we all still have hope for some sort of future after this Tribulation is over.



Here is a real carnal-hearted Bastard giving an anti-Christ witness.

Not even a Hebrews 12 Bastard, as Paul called them that refuse God's Chastisement and Rebuke. This is a God Damnable liar!

Christ Jesus cursed the fig tree for not bearing fruit. Interesting that you would choose that metaphor, as the fig tree represents the Nation of Israel, but you could've said "flowers still grow" or some such; yet you chose more to give anti-Christ witness and further your agenda.

Jesus Christ IS God The Son.
You are a lying sack of shit, Untypical USer...

Whoever this preacher character is, he is no better in my book for not giving you a resounding rebuke and dismissal. Maybe you are a tag-team, false-witnessing duo?

The preaching of this lame, watered down shit; "that's right no one is perfect" is bullshit. I say you are preaching false-witness, hoping to stir someone to whatever your goals.

Actually preacher-asshole, I have encountered those who refused to identify themselves as Christians to persons they were trolling for souls. This inane and totally carnal-Christian thought by lying at first and denying Christ he could win a soul...

You don't have a witness or you would give it.
You are another soul-troller, and your ambiguity serves you as some form of clever...


Even a carnal-heart knows and understands Truth when it hears it. Your figuring to sell this milk-toast religion does no one any good.

If you have a witness, you better give it in clarity and Scriptural Accord.

Christ Jesus, by HIS death on the cross, made it possible for all humans to Come Unto The Father and make their surrender to be Born-Again. That is all the fucking perfection you ever have to have. Be perfectly and truly sorry for your sins and ask The Father to remove them and help you to sin no more. Takes Knowing WHO Jesus IS to ever get that far, but once you do, you Claim your share of Father God's Infinite Mercy and Grace, Give HIM Your Life, and Ask HIM to Send HIS Holy Spirit to Guide you through life.

There isn't a whole lot of long drawn out "coming to understand", and getting indoctrinated with bullshit religion. You can't win a soul one for HIM and never have. You are a carnal-hearted false-witnessing preacher if you think otherwise.

Better to have never been born than confuse any of HIS innocents.

Paul in 2nd Timothy 2:6 says, "The husbandman ought first be a partaker of The Fruits". That means Know God and be Born-Again. That doesn't seem to be you, preacher...

If you don't Know HIM, can't give a true witness, and can't stand up and rebuke lying sacks of shit who deny the Deity of Christ Jesus, then you are no better. Yet for you, one who claims/aspires to teach, but teaches falsely; better not to have been born....

23 It is as sport to a fool to do mischief: but a man of understanding hath wisdom.
Prov 10:23 (KJV)

24 Wisdom is before him that hath understanding; but the eyes of a fool are in the ends of the earth.
Prov 17:24 (KJV)
9 Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words.
Prov 23:9 (KJV)
4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
Prov 26:4-5 (KJV)

17 "Don't hate your brother. Rebuke anyone who sins; don't let him get away with it, or you will be equally guilty.
Lev 19:17 (Living)

8 Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee.
Prov 9:8 (KJV)
7 ,8 If you rebuke a mocker, you will only get a smart retort; yes, he will snarl at you. So don't bother with him; he will only hate you for trying to help him. But a wise man, when rebuked, will love you all the more.
9 Teach a wise man, and he will be the wiser; teach a good man, and he will learn more.
Prov 9:7-9 (Living)

12 He that is void of wisdom despiseth his neighbour: but a man of understanding holdeth his peace.
Prov 11:12 (KJV)
12 To quarrel with a neighbor is foolish; a man with good sense holds his tongue.
Prov 11:12 (Living)

27 "It says," he replied, "that you must love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind. And you must love your neighbor just as much as you love yourself."
28 "Right!" Jesus told him. "Do this and you shall live!"
Luke 10:27-28 (Living)

1 "Don't criticize, and then you won't be criticized.
2 For others will treat you as you treat them.
3 And why worry about a speck in the eye of a brother when you have a board in your own?
4 Should you say, 'Friend, let me help you get that speck out of your eye,' when you can't even see because of the board in your own?
5 Hypocrite! First get rid of the board. Then you can see to help your brother.
Matt 7:1-5 (Living)

Genesis 1:25-27
And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God said, Let us make man in our image.... So God created man in his own image.

According to your Bible, God creates the animals. Then he creates Man.

Genesis 2:18-19
And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

But in this passage, Man (Adam) is already around when God "forms ever beast of the field, and every fowl", and bring them to Adam to be named.

So which part of the Bible is correct and which part is wrong?

Did Man get made first? Or was it Animals first?

20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
Gen 1:20-23 (KJV)

24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Creation man in the image of God

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 1:24-27 (KJV)

But in this passage, Man (Adam) is already around when God "forms ever beast of the field, and every fowl", and bring them to Adam to be named.

So which part of the Bible is correct and which part is wrong?

Did Man get made first? Or was it Animals first?

18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
Gen 2:18-20 (KJV)

That doesn't clear anything up.

I merely need to know which passage is right, and which one is wrong.

Genesis 1:25-27
And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God said, Let us make man in our image.... So God created man in his own image.

According to your Bible, God creates the animals. Then he creates Man.

Genesis 2:18-19
And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

But in this passage, Man (Adam) is already around when God "forms ever beast of the field, and every fowl", and bring them to Adam to be named.

So which part of the Bible is correct and which part is wrong?

Did Man get made first? Or was it Animals first?

Genesis 1:25-27
And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God said, Let us make man in our image.... So God created man in his own image.

According to your Bible, God creates the animals. Then he creates Man.

Genesis 2:18-19
And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

But in this passage, Man (Adam) is already around when God "forms ever beast of the field, and every fowl", and bring them to Adam to be named.

So which part of the Bible is correct and which part is wrong?

Did Man get made first? Or was it Animals first?

23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Then you should read my first post, ask for wisdom, and then you will either understand or you have been give over to a reprobate mind.

If you were actually reading the chapter you'd already know!

Genesis 1 God creates. Then in Gen 2 more detail is given about man's creation, the sixth day. It is just telling us there were animals and where they came from.

Well, your spiritual retardation is showing. That verse is a commentary of what had previously occured in Creation. You should learn to read the Bible instead of getting your theology from a pagan web site of other more ignorant retards than you who wrote it.

See how easy it is for a trained theologian to explain what retards can't seem to comprehend. Oh, and BTW, your total lack of education on theology is showing too.

Funny thing about OP's post. It reads almost exactly like the famous 'Kissing Hank's Ass'.

[link to www.jhuger.com]

Funny thing about OP's post. It reads almost exactly like the famous 'Kissing Hank's Ass'.

[link to www.jhuger.com]


LOL! Thinking back, there was once a time when this would have enraged me. What an sad idiot I was :)

LMAO

Only children and the mentally unbalanced believe in invisible beings that run their lives.

It takes many, many years to receive certification by the state to allow one to call themselves an expert in their chosen fields!!

Give someone a bible and they call themselves an expert in all things of god immediately!!

___________

If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!

It takes many, many years to receive certification by the state to allow one to call themselves an expert in their chosen fields!!

Give someone a bible and they call themselves an expert in all things of god immediately!!

___________

If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!



I have a bible you can decide for yourself,

You on the other hand are YOUR own authority, and ONLY you have the answer.

Sounds like a cult.

What do you call it?

Best definitions ever. . .

cult: small, unpopular religion

religion: large, popular cult

Christ is "the annointed." He is not God.

Nobody walking around on this hard ground is "God."


Yes Jesus is the Godhead. Creator of the universe.

Christ is "the annointed." He is not God.

Nobody walking around on this hard ground is "God."


Yes Jesus is the Godhead. Creator of the universe.

The Christ is the Door. Inside the infinite, inside the finite, yet all is within the infinite. The Father is the Creator. The Door has been established before creation as part of the plan and reason for inducing the creation. For the infinite to become greater than infinite, by also being finite.... through the Door. Otherwise, if infinite enters finite, the finite is obliterated. But also finite can commune with the infinite. Passage through the Door is two ways.

It takes many, many years to receive certification by the state to allow one to call themselves an expert in their chosen fields!!

Give someone a bible and they call themselves an expert in all things of god immediately!!

___________

If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!



I have a bible you can decide for yourself,

You on the other hand are YOUR own authority, and ONLY you have the answer.

Sounds like a cult.

What do you call it?

It takes many, many years to receive certification by the state to allow one to call themselves an expert in their chosen fields!!

Give someone a bible and they call themselves an expert in all things of god immediately!!

___________

If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!



I have a bible you can decide for yourself,

You on the other hand are YOUR own authority, and ONLY you have the answer.

Sounds like a cult.

What do you call it?


Christianity!!
___________

If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!

You are wrong...It is written " The fulness of the
Godhead dwells in Christ in bodily form" It is also
written.."Great is the mystery of Godliness that
God was manifest in the flesh". You need to study
the scripture a litte better before you make your
antchrist statements.Jesus Christ is God in the flesh.
God can do whatever and whenever He feels like it.
That's what makes you and I a human and Him God.


Please tell us what passage and version?

It takes many, many years to receive certification by the state to allow one to call themselves an expert in their chosen fields!!

Give someone a bible and they call themselves an expert in all things of god immediately!!

___________

If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!



I have a bible you can decide for yourself,

You on the other hand are YOUR own authority, and ONLY you have the answer.

Sounds like a cult.

What do you call it?


Christianity!!
___________

If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!



Then under your definition That would make Jesus Christ the Cult Leader?

You are wrong...It is written " The fulness of the
Godhead dwells in Christ in bodily form" It is also
written.."Great is the mystery of Godliness that
God was manifest in the flesh". You need to study
the scripture a litte better before you make your
antchrist statements.Jesus Christ is God in the flesh.
God can do whatever and whenever He feels like it.
That's what makes you and I a human and Him God.

You want scripture?? Why not look it up youself?
You call yourself a preacher.
1 Timothy 3:16
Colossians 2:9

I assume most of you "religious" types believe
the bible. There it is in black and white.
Pick any version.

The day is coming when the meek and mild Jesus
will consume by His very presence. Make sure
you have your facts regarding Him straight.

16 It is quite true that the way to live a godly life is not an easy matter. But the answer lies in Christ, who came to earth as a man, was proved spotless and pure in his Spirit, was served by angels, was preached among the nations, was accepted by men everywhere, and was received up again to his glory in heaven.
1 Tim 3:16 (Living)

16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
1 Tim 3:16 (KJV)

8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
Col 2:8-10 (KJV)


8 Don't let others spoil your faith and joy with their philosophies, their wrong and shallow answers built on men's thoughts and ideas, instead of on what Christ has said.
9 For in Christ there is all of God in a human body;
10 so you have everything when you have Christ, and you are filled with God through your union with Christ. He is the highest Ruler, with authority over every other power.
Col 2:8-10 (Living)

You are wrong...It is written " The fulness of the
Godhead dwells in Christ in bodily form" It is also
written.."Great is the mystery of Godliness that
God was manifest in the flesh". You need to study
the scripture a litte better before you make your
antchrist statements.Jesus Christ is God in the flesh.
God can do whatever and whenever He feels like it.
That's what makes you and I a human and Him God.


Please tell us what passage and version?



You want scripture?? Why not look it up youself?
You call yourself a preacher.
1 Timothy 3:16
Colossians 2:9

I assume most of you "religious" types believe
the bible. There it is in black and white.
Pick any version.

The day is coming when the meek and mild Jesus
will consume by His very presence. Make sure
you have your facts regarding Him straight.



Ok here you go

16 It is quite true that the way to live a godly life is not an easy matter. But the answer lies in Christ, who came to earth as a man, was proved spotless and pure in his Spirit, was served by angels, was preached among the nations, was accepted by men everywhere, and was received up again to his glory in heaven.
1 Tim 3:16 (Living)

16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
1 Tim 3:16 (KJV)

8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
Col 2:8-10 (KJV)


8 Don't let others spoil your faith and joy with their philosophies, their wrong and shallow answers built on men's thoughts and ideas, instead of on what Christ has said.
9 For in Christ there is all of God in a human body;
10 so you have everything when you have Christ, and you are filled with God through your union with Christ. He is the highest Ruler, with authority over every other power.
Col 2:8-10 (Living)


Ok so there you have BLACK AND WHITE


So where am I wrong in what I have said?