Antares, Sigma Scorpii and Messier 4 on Stereo HI1 imagery.

It cannot be Antares, because Antares is also a craft, and is in the far west sky at night now, don't see how it could in this film, even it is was Antares. Antares is the Capricorn. These ships posing are often in orbit around earth, the Capricorn is only about 400 miles up. So maybe.

It is as I told you - Mercury, Antares, Al Niyat and M4. You are free to believe what you wish but I find the truth to be more satisfying.

AC733529 said, "Nope. Antares is nowhere near the sun either."
STEREO-A is also nowhere near the earth so you cannot use Earth perspective to make judgements. You have to use STEREO-A's perspective, which is quite different than geocentric.
It is just as a telephone pole may line up with a certain distant house for your neighbor down the street, but to you it doesn't even come close to lining up with that house.
You cannot say that he is not seeing the house and pole line up. Your perspective is completely different.


Candace said, "Jupiter is never seen on HI. Only the inner planets."
Utterly wrong. Try these recent images, and I don't give a fig about comments from your delusional peanut gallery (who were, incidentally, wiped out last month by Tim):
Jupiter (top) and Venus (bottom) 11 Nov 2008:
[link to stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov]

Saturn 24 June 2009:
[link to stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov]

These can be seen by anyone using the positional viewer for those dates to be within the FOV of STEREO-A's HI1 instrument (~4° to 24° elongation).



Dr. Quibble, here's an image of Aldebaran with the Pleiades cluster above on 21 Mar 2009:
[link to stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov]
If you check, Aldebaran is nowhere near the sun as viewed from earth on this date. It is near the sun (~23.5° elongation) from the perspective of STEREO-A.

Perspective, people. Perspective.

Have fun.


R.

I get the point of perspective, but can you show any astrology charts to show its position in space at the moment?

I don't do astrology, you'd have to go to an astrologer.

It's position in space is given here:
[link to stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov]

The J2000 RA and Dec of Antares:
16h 29m 24s
-26° 25' 55"

The coordinate math is beyond GLP.

I'll try to find something easy(er) that you can pull up in a web browser to prove to yourself that it is, indeed, Antares.

That is if I have the time and it doesn't become too complicated, so maybe yes and maybe no.

Have fun.


R.

I was infact the one who pulled up that image with the location of the stereo craft and I can see the field of view of the HI1 image due to mercury and the solar wind stream.

So I know where to look, but i can't seem to find an outer solar system space view.

It doesn't show stars, just planets. I was talking about the long list of various coordinates in the table below the graphic. That's its position in space.

Have fun.


R.

no no no, for Antares

Antares is a star. A very bright one.
The viewer graphic does not show stars; only planets.
The information you want takes some work, math, and knowledge of positional astronomy.

Like I said, if it isn't too much trouble I'll try to find an easy way for you to see for yourself, but right now I've gotta' see a man about a dog.

Have fun.


R.

Downloading google earth, see if i can work out the positioning from that.

Could someone with more knowhow let me know what this means?

Sorry I'm entirely lost but can tell it is of interest.

If I were a brilliant graphics artist, I could not have produced such a compelling graphic as this.

What I did, turn off the hues, rebalance light and contrast, and added in SEPIA, to get some depth.

I do not know where the human faces that became visible might be or might have been stationed.

[link to www.holyconservancy.org]

Indeed it does look like antares.

looking from this image [link to stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov]

top right is mercury.

middle right is: Sigma Scorpii (σ Sco / σ Scorpii) is a star system in the constellation Scorpius. It also has the traditional name Al Niyat, although this name is sometimes also applied to Tau Scorpii, or to the asterism formed by both Sigma and Tau. Sigma Scorpii is 735 light years from the Sun.The primary component of the system, Sigma Scorpii A, is classified as a blue-white B-type giant. It is a variable star of the Beta Cephei type. Its apparent brightness varies hardly perceptibly between +2.86 and +2.94 with multiple periods of 0.2468429, 0.239671, and 8.2 days. It is itself an eclipsing binary, and has a nearby O-type companion which makes an orbit once every 33 days.Orbiting this binary at a separation half an arcsecond, or at least 120 Astronomical Units (AU), four times the Sun–Neptune distance, is the magnitude +5.2 Sigma Scorpii C which has an orbital period of over a hundred years. Even farther out at 20 arcseconds, or more than 4500 AU, is Sigma Scorpii B with a magnitude of +8.7. It is classified as a B9 dwarf.
Source [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Bottom right is Globular Cluster M4 (also known as Messier Object 4 or NGC 6121) is a globular cluster in the constellation Scorpius.It was discovered by Philippe Loys de Chéseaux in 1746 and catalogued by Charles Messier in 1764. This was the first globular cluster in which individual stars were resolved. Just visible to the naked eye, M4 is conspicuous in even the smallest of telescopes as a fuzzy ball of light. It is also the one of the easiest globular clusters to find with it only being 1.3 degrees west of the bright star Antares with both objects being visible in a wide field telescope. Modestly sized telescopes will begin to resolve individual stars of which the brightest in M4 are of apparent magnitude 10.8.At the distance of 7,200 light years that has been determined for M4 it is perhaps the closest globular cluster to our Solar system. It is also a rather loosely concentrated cluster of class IX. M4 appears about the same size as the Moon on the sky which, given its distance, yield a spatial dimension of some 75 light years across. At least 43 variable stars have been observed in this cluster.In 1987 a millisecond pulsar was discovered in M4 with a period of 3.0 milliseconds or about ten times faster than the Crab Pulsar. Photographs taken with the Hubble Space Telescope in 1995 have revealed white dwarf stars in M4 that are among the oldest known stars in the Milky Way Galaxy at an age of 13 billion years. One such white dwarf has been found to be a binary star with a pulsar companion, PSR B1620-26 and a planet orbiting it with a mass of 2.5 times that of Jupiter.

Source: [link to en.wikipedia.org]

And main is Antares (α Scorpii / Alpha Scorpii) is the brightest star in the constellation Scorpius and one of the brightest stars in the nighttime sky. Along with Aldebaran, Spica, and Regulus it is one of the four brightest stars near the ecliptic. The similarly colored Aldebaran lies almost directly opposite Antares in the Zodiac.

Source [link to en.wikipedia.org]


Thank you R420.

Now I know what it is I can watch it in peace as it drifts by :)

The assumption now is that the stereo HI imagery is very sensitive to light (has to pick up tiny particles from the sun) and quite possibly is zoomed in as well, so would make the objects seen look nice and bright :)

No worry, Ill change the thread title and post the images and vids as it passes through.

Last Edited by Dr. Quibble on 09/11/2009 04:46 PM

have a

see the images in a period of 15 days, and then make your own conclusions, independent of any "official statements" that tell you what you see. [link to stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov] select "Ahead HI1"

the stars that the OP mentions in the beginning, surely they are there, but could they "explode" the way the light there overwhelms everything?

[link to stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov]

what's that? Mercury is compeltely swallowed in that immense light (Mercury is the ball in the upper part of the halo).


The stars the OP mentioned, are quite a bit far away, and quite a bit distinguishable between one another, to produce that halo that is comparable with the Sun itself.

Mars is not there, only Mercury according to Stereo's own sky map. [link to stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov]

I would say, that is connected with the expected "Second Sun" or planet X mini system, if you will. It is repeatedly recorded on amateur videos at sunset. Now we have "official" images from Stereo. After several days, the same object will hopefully appear on SOHO, when moving closer to the old Sun.

If I see Two Suns, that means I see two suns, and not what NASA tells me that I "see" instead of believing my eyes.

there is an awful lot of ?stars? there.. updating images, check the 13th in about 2 minutes.

Last Edited by Dr. Quibble on 09/15/2009 11:40 PM

Star
BSC 21 Alp Sco
Visual Magnitude: 0.96
Color Index: 1.83
Spectral Class: M1.5Iab-Ib+B4Ve
Proper Motion in Right ascension: -0.010
Proper Motion in Declination: -0.020
HR: 6134
HD: 148478
Common Name: ANTARES
Date RA: 16h30m00.21s DE:-26°27'09.9
J2000 RA: 16h29m24.39s DE:-26°25'55.2
Ecliptic L: -110°06'08 B:-04°34'16
Galactic L: +351°52'18 B:+15°10'42
Visibility for observatory:
2009-09-16 21h59m47s (

UT + -5h00m )
Universal Time : 2009-09-17T02:59:47
Sideral Time : 20h54m
Hour Angle : 4h24m
Azimuth :+234°53'
Altitude :-00°56'
Rise : 13h20m Azimuth+126°14'
Culmination : 17h37m
Set : 21h53m Azimuth+233°46'

16h30m00.21s -26°27'09.9 * BSC 21 Alp Sco mV: 0.96 b-v: 1.83 sp: M1.5Iab-Ib+B4Ve pmRA:-0.010 pmDE:-0.020 HR:6134 HD:148478 Common Name:ANTARES
16h30m00.27s -26°27'10.1 * Sky CD-26.11359 mV: 1.07 b-v: 1.84 sp:M1 pmRA:-0.010 pmDE:-0.023 HD:148478 SAO:184415 Sep:2.9 Dmag:4.​4
16h30m31.83s -26°36'40.9 * Sky CD-26.11363 mV: 8.62 b-v: 0.24 sp:A0 pmRA:-0.013 pmDE:-0.024 HD:148563 SAO:184423
16h29m00.35s -26°29'47.0 * Sky CD-26.11353 mV: 9.10 b-v: 1.70 sp:K2 pmRA:-0.009 pmDE: 0.015 HD:148353 SAO:184404
16h30m49.63s -26°34'33.9 * Sky CD-26.11366 mV: 9.14 b-v: 0.55 sp:F8 pmRA:-0.013 pmDE:-0.026 HD:148606 SAO:184427
16h29m27.75s -26°13'10.9 * Sky CD-25.11517 mV: 9.50 b-v: 0.56 sp:F8 pmRA:-0.012 pmDE:-0.032 HD:148409 SAO:184410
16h29m07.44s -26°14'48.6 * Sky CD-25.11515 mV: 9.63 b-v: 1.55 sp:K5 pmRA: 0.002 pmDE: 0.005 HD:148368 SAO:184406
There is 7 objects in this field.

Planet
Jupiter
2009-09-16 22h03m07s
Magnitude: -2.7
Diameter: 47.1
Illuminated Fraction: 0.997
Phase: -7 °
Distance: 4.1841 au
Solar Distance: 5.0310 au
Position Angle: 339.9
Pole inclination: 0.3
Sun inclination: 0.4
Central meridian I: 210.70
Central meridian II: 126.32
Central meridian III: 231.24
GRS transit: 1h15m 11h11m 21h06m
Date RA: 21h24m10.72s DE:-16°24'02.9
J2000 RA: 21h23m38.45s DE:-16°26'34.1
Ecliptic L: -41°44'37 B:-01°05'52
Galactic L: +34°09'17 B:-40°49'48
Visibility for observatory:
2009-09-16 22h03m07s (

UT + -5h00m )
Universal Time : 2009-09-17T03:03:07
Sideral Time : 20h57m
Hour Angle : 23h33m
Azimuth :+172°25'
Altitude :+31°14'
Rise : 17h29m Azimuth+111°47'
Culmination : 22h30m
Set : 3h35m Azimuth+248°14'

Planet
Mercury
2009-09-16 22h03m51s
Magnitude: 3.7
Diameter: 10.4
Illuminated Fraction: 0.032
Phase: -159 °
Distance: 0.6433 au
Solar Distance: 0.3773 au
Position Angle: 28.2
Pole inclination: 8.9
Sun inclination: 0.0
Central meridian: 149.03
Date RA: 11h57m49.13s DE:-03°50'26.3
J2000 RA: 11h57m19.28s DE:-03°47'11.7
Ecliptic L: -178°58'13 B:-03°44'25
Galactic L: +277°42'41 B:+56°26'29
Visibility for observatory:
2009-09-16 22h03m51s (

UT + -5h00m )
Universal Time : 2009-09-17T03:03:51
Sideral Time : 20h58m
Hour Angle : 9h00m
Azimuth :+300°57'
Altitude :-34°01'
Rise : 19h03m Azimuth+95°12'
Culmination : 23h19m
Set : Azimuth

If this were the REAL Antares, how could it look so large being X number of light years away. I have no idea how far off it is. I realize also the equipment isn't dealing with an atmosphere. Also the certainly the angles HI shoots at from either craft is considered. But it shoots between the sun and earth. It does not shoot from the perspective if it facing the sun like on COR 1 and Cor 2. This is a more intense angle.

But all of you can disagree with me, Antares is NOT real to us. As to Jupiter, when it was out there showing on HI I did some drawings because of one who saw Mercury, and a weird flash and assumed He saw Jupiter igniting into a sun and made a movie about it all, so I did some careful thinking and drawing and I don't think HI can possibly see the real Jupiter if it was out there. And it's not.

I don't know if the artists at NASA play games or not with HI. But they DO with Lasco 2 and 3 and have created false Jupiter passings on those, going the wrong direction to boot, that people take to be Jupiter anyway.

If that is "Antares" in that place, it is as above oddly very bright. Unless I am not understanding which of those spots is supposed to be Antares.

If it's really Antares, it is really the Capricorn, most of the time, unless the ship is needed to other purposes, then a substitute will fill in.

The Capricorn besides my being ON IT, has proven it's location very adequately to me, by changing whatever light colors it is currently showing at the time to all RED lights. We are NOT in the same place nor is this solar system the same vibration as "olden" days, and there are ships being "placemats" until man knows truth.

Antares changes it's colors often like the other ships. WATCH it do so. Sometimes at night I go out to watch it, and Helena if not otherwise busy will push those lights way up too, more brilliant. She puts on shows often when people are likely to notice. Like recently when "Antares" was close to the moon and I started a thread on that. There was quite a nice show that night to those that happened to be looking at the moon. In fact, due to the brightness of the moon Antares should have been muted!!!!!!! and harder to see. Think on that please.

By the way, STar Ship Jupiter was putting on quite a show last night. Doing a lot of moving around. Others noticed and wrote and also somebody in my park was watching it curiously, and I said it was a ship not Jupiter. Again, as I have posted elsewhere, Jupiter is a ship showing a hologram and you can compare pics of jupiter prior to mid winter 2008 such as all of 2007 that it was visible and easily discern there is not the same clarity or number of bands. Those new red spots last year that came and went, we on the hologram.

Kalpa
Finish ?