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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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Are you a girl?
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Gender is a social construct, useful at times, but inherently limiting. But yes you'd perceive me as a girl :)
 Quoting: Sabai_Adonais


You were obvious lol. I was like why has this guy never sat and contemplated war before...unless it's not a guy.
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Which part of structuring them isn't making sense?

Which part of reading them isn't making sense?

Start with learning 3, then learn 4, then learn 5 etc.

When you know 10 and you see 10 written down you should be able to "read" what theoretically those 10 at least sound like in your head.

English helps, agreed.


Think of it like a programming language, if you're level 0 you don't even realize what a string is, a floating point, a variable, a function, nothing.

When you make your first multiplication calculator, you learn the basics, you define you variables
Dim firstnumber as integer
dim secondnumber as integer
dim answer as integer

you write the code
[
answer = firstnumber * secondnumber
]
Drop it on a button or something.

You create a form having 3 text boxes and your button
firstnumber = textbox1.text
secondnumber = textbox2.text
answer = textbox3.text

When the form pops up, you put a number in textbox1 and a number in textbox2 and click button the code runs, success.

Ok so you've learned the basics of a programming language.

That's level 0.1, at level 2 you understand if statements,

So if before you click the code you can check things

If firstnumber = "" then
Print "Textbox1 appears to be empty, please input a number."
End If

Right?

That's level 2, when you get to level 3, maybe you could connect to a database.

When you're at level 8 you've got algorithms scanning the markets looking to find patterns.

You can't even comprehend level 9 from level 0.1.
 Quoting: LKing


The NooNeuronics site helped a lot in terms of how to "structure" the symbols in that in a string one must define the inverse of the original "word." I had an inkling this might be the case with the og ec but never could make it useful. The new system makes a lot more sense to me. I've tried to make a few sets and so far no luck in "changing" anything, but I'll keep trying

I don't much understand programming, but I'm learning
 Quoting: Sabai_Adonais

Honestly I haven't assessed the new material, find what works for you, also though in my experience being very accurate and detailed in your desires with your symbols and logical possibilities with relationships to symbols to get the program to take.

I was ignorant to the Inversion issue and that might be an issue why you had to wait for the man to fix your latch rather than you logically sorting it with your own endless possibilities, but that's an assumption in regards to why you asked for the opposite of something to happen and nothing happened, seems like you weren't clear enough. That's me assuming inversions covered with what you're going on about.
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That all corrected, Lking please don't be a Loser King and actually make sure you're up to date on the new site, and understand that Saba Adonis (forgot the spell here) is mainly interested in what The Builder has to say.

[Snippie]

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I am very interested in what the builder has to say, but you'll find I am also interested in conversation with others who'd like to be constructive:)
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Stephen pretends to be 12, he thinks he doesn't have to have conversations yet , give him time.
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PHEW can we be constructive now?

How would one define a color, or lack of color in the case of grey, white, and black, in noo (or old) neuronics?

Say I want a *green* apple. Is that a new word in a set, a new set, or an entirely new word for apple?

Having fun here at level 1
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You're at level 1 but you haven't got your own EC dictionary? Not even simple colours? Wooooow okay I think you skipped some classes. You're back to level 0.25.
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BUT how do you differentiate in neuroicons a specific color? They're all chaotic but within their own context some are more chaotic than others

Or, do you even have to? When making a set or string one has an idea of what they're going for, does that translate into the final perception without it having to be "explicit"?

Like I could use the same set for a green apple as I used for a red apple in the past, but bc I know I want green this time I don't have to change it?
 Quoting: Sabai_Adonais


If you're logical brain you'll get it faster than if not.


Tink Bout it, languages all have what in common? a little book teaching the words.

make your own little book and you'll learn a language.
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You were obvious lol. I was like why has this guy never sat and contemplated war before...unless it's not a guy.
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I wasn't trying to hide it or anything, I just answer when asked and don't correct assumptions lol. Sound logic tho



[Snippies]

I was ignorant to the Inversion issue and that might be an issue why you had to wait for the man to fix your latch rather than you logically sorting it with your own endless possibilities, but that's an assumption in regards to why you asked for the opposite of something to happen and nothing happened, seems like you weren't clear enough. That's me assuming inversions covered with what you're going on about.
 Quoting: LKing


Oh no he didn't fix it, he came round and just opened it normally (after I and all of my relatives had tried without success). So it was "fixed" some time between us trying and him trying. Easiest 120$ he ever made, probably. I do note that after I paid him (which was before he got there) I had the thought "watch this be one of those times where something is broken until you ask someone to fix it," and then it was!

Actually, out of all the sets I came up with last night, the inversion was most obvious with this one. I'm thinking I have to rework most of the other ones but hey thems how it is. Means I'm learning

You're at level 1 but you haven't got your own EC dictionary? Not even simple colours? Wooooow okay I think you skipped some classes. You're back to level 0.25.
 Quoting: LKing


Hehe, noted. It's rough because I have this problem about not knowing where to start, a problem I have pervasively in my life. I'd like to just go alphabetically through the English dictionary and translate, but also I think probably I should just start with words that I personally frequently use (such as things in my surroundings), so I end up doing neither.

As OP has already told me though, start anywhere. I recognize that it's a Me Problem.

Having fun at level .25 :)
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That all corrected, Lking please don't be a Loser King and actually make sure you're up to date on the new site, and understand that Saba Adonis (forgot the spell here) is mainly interested in what The Builder has to say.

[Snippie]

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I am very interested in what the builder has to say, but you'll find I am also interested in conversation with others who'd like to be constructive:)
 Quoting: Sabai_Adonais


Stephen pretends to be 12, he thinks he doesn't have to have conversations yet , give him time.
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Comments like these ensure I won't.
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If you're still making a codex after seeing the new site you are obsolete.
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If you're still making a codex after seeing the new site you are obsolete.
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I mean, a dictionary isn't a bad idea for just starting out. Eventually I imagine one wouldn't need it considering a) it's a subconscious thing that isn't word-based the way natural languages are and b) the language facilitates much faster cognition

BUT I'll probably do a mini-codex to practice. I don't think the point is at all to memorize words (if 8 characters in the original ec could represent 2 trillion states, there's absolutely no way its efficient to try to memorize at all) but going through the syllable steps a good few times will probably help my alphabet-contaminated brain to adjust

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Do it then.
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Need a nap and a sandwich first. Finally found the perfect way to make a pb & j
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If you're still making a codex after seeing the new site you are obsolete.
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If you're looking to learn about anything you start at the beginning buddy.

when you learn and know English then correct, you do not need a little codex when you need to speak.

Logically though, in the beginning having a little help goes a long way.
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If you're still making a codex after seeing the new site you are obsolete.
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If you're looking to learn about anything you start at the beginning buddy.

when you learn and know English then correct, you do not need a little codex when you need to speak.

Logically though, in the beginning having a little help goes a long way.
 Quoting: LKing


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LK if I've got a little document that could help quickly understand the new site and do a healing effect on anyone who might like to enter a dream world meetup, what do you think, should I post it somewhere around here?

$tefan
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You were obvious lol. I was like why has this guy never sat and contemplated war before...unless it's not a guy.
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I wasn't trying to hide it or anything, I just answer when asked and don't correct assumptions lol. Sound logic tho
 Quoting: Sabai_Adonais


Right, it ultimately makes no difference, it was an observation which I thought huh, must be a girl, so what makes you want to go back to the past?


I was ignorant to the Inversion issue and that might be an issue why you had to wait for the man to fix your latch rather than you logically sorting it with your own endless possibilities, but that's an assumption in regards to why you asked for the opposite of something to happen and nothing happened, seems like you weren't clear enough. That's me assuming inversions covered with what you're going on about.
 Quoting: LKing


Oh no he didn't fix it, he came round and just opened it normally (after I and all of my relatives had tried without success). So it was "fixed" some time between us trying and him trying. Easiest 120$ he ever made, probably. I do note that after I paid him (which was before he got there) I had the thought "watch this be one of those times where something is broken until you ask someone to fix it," and then it was!

Actually, out of all the sets I came up with last night, the inversion was most obvious with this one. I'm thinking I have to rework most of the other ones but hey thems how it is. Means I'm learning
 Quoting: Sabai_Adonais


So your "thought" / Genius solved the problem and ultimately when you 'believed it' it became true. Belief is part of perspective shifting.

I'm not a fan of inversion, I'm not as up to date with the new material as everyone keeps trying to shove down my throat, if you want something, make it very clear what you want or you might end up with something you never wanted and you're struggling to get rid of.

You're at level 1 but you haven't got your own EC dictionary? Not even simple colours? Wooooow okay I think you skipped some classes. You're back to level 0.25.
 Quoting: LKing


Hehe, noted. It's rough because I have this problem about not knowing where to start, a problem I have pervasively in my life. I'd like to just go alphabetically through the English dictionary and translate, but also I think probably I should just start with words that I personally frequently use (such as things in my surroundings), so I end up doing neither.

As OP has already told me though, start anywhere. I recognize that it's a Me Problem.

Having fun at level .25 :)
 Quoting: Sabai_Adonais



I tease of course, your mind is in the right place, these things take time, if you tried to learn a new language it's going to take months isn't it doing an hour a day unless you're naturally gifted with languages. With anything though, the more you input the more you can output.

Once you're moving you'll get momentum, getting that initial momentum is always a push sometimes, when you're moving though the pushing becomes easy and when you're downhill with momentum you move with no input because of previous input.

God speed getting to level 1!
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LK if I've got a little document that could help quickly understand the new site and do a healing effect on anyone who might like to enter a dream world meetup, what do you think, should I post it somewhere around here?

$tefan
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I think you could ask if anyone wanted it, and maybe offer to share, if people seek it, then share it, if people aren't asking or aren't bothered then sharing serves no purpose.
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LK if I've got a little document that could help quickly understand the new site and do a healing effect on anyone who might like to enter a dream world meetup, what do you think, should I post it somewhere around here?

$tefan
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I think you could ask if anyone wanted it, and maybe offer to share, if people seek it, then share it, if people aren't asking or aren't bothered then sharing serves no purpose.
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True
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LK if I've got a little document that could help quickly understand the new site and do a healing effect on anyone who might like to enter a dream world meetup, what do you think, should I post it somewhere around here?

$tefan
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I think you could ask if anyone wanted it, and maybe offer to share, if people seek it, then share it, if people aren't asking or aren't bothered then sharing serves no purpose.
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True
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Have a fantastic weekend!
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Right, it ultimately makes no difference, it was an observation which I thought huh, must be a girl, so what makes you want to go back to the past?
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I'd just like to explore some relationships differently than I did, in ways that are quite impossible to do from "here/now," for various reasons. I want to play the hero a little bit and warn some friends about some things. Also I miss my cat

So your "thought" / Genius solved the problem and ultimately when you 'believed it' it became true. Belief is part of perspective shifting.

I'm not a fan of inversion, I'm not as up to date with the new material as everyone keeps trying to shove down my throat, if you want something, make it very clear what you want or you might end up with something you never wanted and you're struggling to get rid of.

 Quoting: LKing


If the old material (or something else) works better for you, the new material doesn't have to matter :p as our Builder says, usefulness is what's important

I don't think it helps that "inversion" has sort of a negative connotation. I think it's neutral, personally. Like dark is an inversion of light, silence of sound, etc. etc. Idk idk


I tease of course, your mind is in the right place, these things take time, if you tried to learn a new language it's going to take months isn't it doing an hour a day unless you're naturally gifted with languages. With anything though, the more you input the more you can output.

Once you're moving you'll get momentum, getting that initial momentum is always a push sometimes, when you're moving though the pushing becomes easy and when you're downhill with momentum you move with no input because of previous input.

God speed getting to level 1!
 Quoting: LKing


It helps that I find the new stuff more "fun" I think. I was very resistant to learning the old stuff, for some reason. But the new clicks much better, so hopefully it won't feel as much like pushing

Appreciate the encouragement c:
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I made a genius as such.

I took physical totems of unknown significance and brought them together. I allowed my subconscious to weigh their relevance. Ultimatley I bound them with an item of the stringing sort.

I took it to a place for it. I looked at the place for a while. I ran time forward and backward in imagination, seeing for a high interaction point.

I found the place where traffic would be most consistently high. I placed the symbol there. I left.

Eventually the symbol found me. It sought me out. Going bacm to the place and when I looked there it was gone. The physical totem was gone. It had become the entire place.

The question.

To continue the intention, if the potential energy of the place is become exhausted, shall a player make a genius with totems in that place?

Does it understand itself to you? I could make new symbol, anywhere. Does it make a difference in ecsys way of describing it.

This is my curiosity about it. Thanks.
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Right, it ultimately makes no difference, it was an observation which I thought huh, must be a girl, so what makes you want to go back to the past?
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I'd just like to explore some relationships differently than I did, in ways that are quite impossible to do from "here/now," for various reasons. I want to play the hero a little bit and warn some friends about some things. Also I miss my cat
 Quoting: Sabai_Adonais


That's fair enough, I wish you all the best in finding what it is that you're looking to achieve.

So your "thought" / Genius solved the problem and ultimately when you 'believed it' it became true. Belief is part of perspective shifting.

I'm not a fan of inversion, I'm not as up to date with the new material as everyone keeps trying to shove down my throat, if you want something, make it very clear what you want or you might end up with something you never wanted and you're struggling to get rid of.

 Quoting: LKing


If the old material (or something else) works better for you, the new material doesn't have to matter :p as our Builder says, usefulness is what's important

I don't think it helps that "inversion" has sort of a negative connotation. I think it's neutral, personally. Like dark is an inversion of light, silence of sound, etc. etc. Idk idk
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I know what you're saying, and I know what he's saying about usefulness and I understand certain people learning differently so having to be useful to other people because we're all different right, but when using words i guess it doesn't matter what we think, it is already stated what it means.
Definition of invert (Entry 1 of 2)
transitive verb

1a: to reverse in position, order, or relationship
b: to subject to inversion
2a: to turn inside out or upside down
b: to turn inward


So personally AND logically that doesn't make sense if I want something to speak about inversion, and I wish you all the best of luck with it, I wished everyone participating in the other experiments all the best, I'm jus giving my 2 cents which I'm sure no one appreciates.


I tease of course, your mind is in the right place, these things take time, if you tried to learn a new language it's going to take months isn't it doing an hour a day unless you're naturally gifted with languages. With anything though, the more you input the more you can output.

Once you're moving you'll get momentum, getting that initial momentum is always a push sometimes, when you're moving though the pushing becomes easy and when you're downhill with momentum you move with no input because of previous input.

God speed getting to level 1!
 Quoting: LKing


It helps that I find the new stuff more "fun" I think. I was very resistant to learning the old stuff, for some reason. But the new clicks much better, so hopefully it won't feel as much like pushing

Appreciate the encouragement c:
 Quoting: Sabai_Adonais


Oh I get it, I was speaking to a beautiful friend of mine earlier and I analogize it to losing weight.

We all know what we have to do, diet and exercise right? But millions of people are looking to find the "new fad" Or this "mysterious pill herb from the jungle" Or "8 minute abs".

It isn't your fault you're tricked, you're at least smart enough to know what you have to do. Ultimately you want to be entertained and you're welcome to do that, when you find time to go over the original material the original poster mentions about facing resistance because that's where you will make a break through.
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The question.

To continue the intention, if the potential energy of the place is become exhausted, shall a player make a genius with totems in that place?

Does it understand itself to you? I could make new symbol, anywhere. Does it make a difference in ecsys way of describing it.

This is my curiosity about it. Thanks.
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So that's how i got myself the job I wanted. There was things I wanted to see and learn that they could show me. However in the process I confirmed the pay is not enough to fund my actual plans and I learned that the field of work isn't that stimulating and rewarding as I thought it would be.

I imagine if I were 11 years younger I might go to college and even study for it. However I realistically only have 2 years or so to establish myself before it becomes rather pointless to keep trying.

So I see the symbol as exhausted its potential.

I could craft a new symbol for a fresh start. I could try something new.

However I thought maybe it could be useful to particularly select components of my symbol from the workplace. It's because I made the symbol before I knew what I was going to use it for.

It is supposed to establish material wealth for me and my girlfriend in a way that we can live peacefully on our own without being bothered by all the things that come from being heholden to society and employers and debt systems.

Throwing it at an interesting job place was simply the first step. I learned what won't work. Working hard all week for minimum pay won't be quick enough to do it.

So it's time for a new symbol and all. Just looking for advice from those more experienced.
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I'm just going to go ahead and gather the new symbol from the workplace. I won't be working there for much longer. It is time to make the next step.
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[snippies]

It isn't your fault you're tricked, you're at least smart enough to know what you have to do. Ultimately you want to be entertained and you're welcome to do that, when you find time to go over the original material the original poster mentions about facing resistance because that's where you will make a break through.
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You're resisting the new material, are you not? :)

Sometimes there's resistance for a very good reason and, in those cases, it's wise to not resist the resistance
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I'm just going to go ahead and gather the new symbol from the workplace. I won't be working there for much longer. It is time to make the next step.
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You're about as experienced as I, but it sounds like you're on the right track





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