Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

Quit calling me grass hoppa

Don't quit your day job lol

Sure.

Are you well brother?

Right.

We live in a world of abstractions. Nothing is real anymore, except our perceptions and preferences to make something real for ourselves.

In a sense, everything is virtual now. We live in world of numbers and symbols rather than material things.

It is so easy to make things disappear, whether it be people, countries or gold. We can just change the numbers in a database.

We are really in the age of alchemy, transforming lead into gold and the seemingly real into a world where nothing is what it appears to be.

Except for the fact that everything really is what it appears to be, we have turned the world into a giant virtual reality simulation.

If something is not real, it becomes harder and harder to convince ourselves that it is. Once you start dealing with abstractions, there is no way back.

And once you've broken a promise, what is trust? Or are promises abstractions too?

Promises are a kind of contract. Why do people need to make promises? Well, it is mostly because they want something in return for the promise. The thing you get from a promise is called 'expectation'. If you don't receive what you expect then that makes your feelings change and thus can deviate your actions.

Therefore, promises are kind of like a chain. If we promise something then in return we receive expectation which can control our actions. Then the action that is caused by the expectation will lead to another set of expectations and so on until it reaches someone who makes an original promise.

When someone breaks a promise because they want to keep to something else, the person who loses out on something feels angry or disappointed by them.

Promises are abstractions.

Yeah.

I value the information you share Lee, but for me it isn’t worth the contact if you misunderstand the nature of our relationship. My interest is in judging the value of things as they are, with no regard to the personal connection. You may refer to me as brother if that is a figure of speech for you, though I doubt you and I really have such a relationship in spirit.

This is my example of golden rule, in a way. I overshare the contextual details to make clear where we stand in relation to each other because I’d always hoped it would be reciprocated. It never is, though, hilariously. I suppose most people prefer to communicate via context clues and I might be autistic.

I’d rather not be enemies but I am aware of the Christian path “you’re either with me or against me” for that is the word of Christ himself. In that case I am not opposed to war. Preparing for war brings war, and then it becomes a binary outcome of who was prepared and who wasn’t.

I do not prepare for war. Even if I had the resources I wouldn’t. I don’t like it because it seems inefficient to do such a thing in seriousness. So in that way, I can see the truth in referring to myself as a loser. From the very beginning, I never had a chance. Because the script was pre written in the group imagination, such that the misfits would be categorized as the enemy by default. It’s just how it goes, and is probably not even personally motivated.

To add some final notes to my self-imposed melodramatic search for meaning in a confusing world, I made the bridge in theological divide for my tribe, but in the process of doing so I lost my faith. I devoted a year to obstinately attempting to recover it. Then I couldn’t lie to myself anymore. A few months I lived atheistically in suicidal depression until I had psilocybin mushrooms. From that state believing I had nothing to lose anyway, I recovered my faith, though it was more flexible than before.

And after I ceased the substance abuse, partially in response to your advice to do so, slowly, I’ve returned the memories in the form of my prior identity.

I don’t believe in Christian theology and I see little value in spiritual relations.
I find humanity to be a major disappointment.

It is clear to me what I have available to offer, and I understand that only a select few would understand what that is, or even deserve to receive it.

Thank you for challenging me and contributing (generally) benign-seeming attention to my process and experience. I do not think I am mistaken in believing that this is where it ends, one way or another. I believe you understand what I mean by “one way or another”.

This is where I say blah blah blah because it’s not that formal and not that meaningful, and I still dislike the boring signing on and signing off and also language, in general, more and more, seems like a worthless endeavor, the end.

In other emergencies (note, autistic pun) this has been floating around in the back of my mind for a bit, I figure someone might find it useful and I don't want it to come back to haunt me.

It is an intriguing iterative simulation on (in my interpretation)how miscommunication can take apart otherwise functional community relations. Nicky Case does other interesting projects, could be worth also looking into.

It's a 30 minute "game" (iterative simulation).

[link to ncase.me (secure)]

Like this, for example, a link referenced from his site of a loose coalition of artists, coders and etc, creating learning games on a diverse range of subjects which could appeal to a whole bunch of different sorts of individuals and groups.

[link to explorabl.es (secure)]

K, that's the end of the altruistic marketing campaign, since no one asked anyway.

Oh you were saying I was being emotional because you believe emotions are axon, but I contend that emotions are elementon.

It was obvious to me the original sorting of “things which describe each element” was not set in stone, because it was meant to be discovered through experimentation.

It is impossible in my perspective for emotions to be axon. They are elementon.

I hope this clears up some confusion about the conversation from before. It suddenly dawned on me that you were interpreting my “being my own energy” comments as referring to my emotions, but that’s not what I meant, which should be clearer if it is understood that my experience doesn’t support emotions as a form of “potential energy” but instead, “representation”.

Anyway that’s the price of flexible jargon, I think. Maybe I wasn’t supposed to treat it as something flexible, I don’t know.

Although I’ve heard reports from some who disagree. They’d insist that emotions are like “fat cells” (coincidence??). So maybe there’s something to all that.

But I meant what I meant, is what I’m getting at here. I plead the amendment called “Perspective” because what else am I to do but have such a thing? (This part is meant to encourage the experience of amusement if possible).

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Does anyone know if OP chaol’s name has the initials H.R.? I’m reading a document that keeps reminding me of this thread and I must admit that I was wrong to dismiss it as mere canadian poetry (razzle dazzle). Even the concept of genius models is making sense (in a way), at least, I’d understand why it was presented the way it was.

Curious.

Actually you know what? I just had an epiphany. Money talks explicitly. Nothing ambiguous about a price tag (unless you include negotiation about price?)

Money is the salvation of all autists. It draws lines of separation between people. It makes covert contracts into overt contracts. It creates order and stability amidst the confusion.

So again, turns out I was being too skeptical. You saw something I was unable to see. I understand why you call me grasspopper but it's not like Im bragging to blind people???

???? Was I Ever ????

????

Grass hopper???

Or are your bones already so old and dry that you see yourself that way, like a blind old master got nothing better to do but wisen up the arrogant children?

Cmon man

Forget it, Im just gonna be at cat carels freeforum

Im sick of this mental gutter place, might as well call it "gutter like productions"

I don't know how any of you can stand to present here.

Well, we just “grew a pair” as I believe the US expression goes. Developed a thick skin.

Good luck at the freeforum. I was there as well, from the start; then left for some time; then returned; but after more than a month of overall inactivity I left, I think for good.

Okay tuur so you grew a pair and developed a thick skin for being a bottom feeder of life and society? Because that’s what I meant when calling this place a gutter.

That’s what you grew a pair for??

What a waste.

As for you quitting on your projects on that forum and probably other places too, I’m familiar with that aspect of you Tuuur, since I recognize that aspect in me as well. But I’m slowly but surely murdering that old self of me, yes I cut that little bitch’s throat every day and rebuild upon the rubble.

What I build is something worthy of magnitude and mention, because...

...Real Question for you, Tuuur...

...What is the Worth of living life of any other kind??

I earnestly await your response, though you’ll quit this too, probably just to feel a little trickle of power in exploiting earnest conversation because that’s all you can get out of life, yeah I bet that’s what you’ll do. (Ask me how I know).

Let me demonstrate something for you Tuuur, to expand your narrow mindset to include new possibilities of thought.

What I was describing was a re-prioritization procedure, while I piece together what I need for a higher level of forensic organization of my own investigation into this thing (say, "what thing"?).

I didn't say I was going to vanish from here, so don't relax yet. Thus, behold! I have created an account to develop a brand like the rest of you. I believe it accurately represents how I probably come through in all the various imaginations of those who notice my writing here and are not bots (so, what like, four people?).

While at the same time making me sound unbelievably coooooool. /s

This place is a dump. I can understand why chaol wrote here. Yeah that makes sense. What I don't understand is how someone could learn from high concepts and still basically get nowhere in life.

Though let me rephrase in this paragraph instead of editing what I wrote. I do understand how someone can grow into dependency, since that is how children initially develop. But I cannot relate to it because I think there is nothing more amazing, worthwhile and gratifying than to be a human adult in this life,

Especially,
Especially,
Most Especially,

To be the human that is me.

So anyway,
I'll be tracking this thread for worthwhile developments in case either the children or Lee or the rep decide to post something interesting.

As for whether or not I have discovered chaol's identity (or at least, an older and more original pseudonym) I've moved that conversation to the other forum that doesn't pretend to be active by mass producing data mining bots (and sock puppets).

Yes tuuur. That last part is specifically added in response to your values which I see as absurd.

It's like...? Get a life. With real people. Who gives a shit which forum is active. If you're not producing something monumental for the subsequent generations what is even the value of you?

Serious question.

Never mind about the identity thing. It’s not important. I’ve had a different idea.

Everything is starting to come together coherently.

See ya soon

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

Remix

Exactly.

It's that irrelevant i forget to check it. You have my contact detail, you know where to find me.

Is this another one of the classic I'm quitting statements?


Brother, Christ is the way.

When you come into Christ, you become Christs family, so yes we are brothers if you walk in this path.

If you do not follow Christ, you are being deceived and there for we could not be brothers as it would bother me to much to let my brother be deceived and I would cast the demons out of him through Christ and allow his mind to be at peace once more.

You’re not here to produce something monumental for subsequent generations.
You’re here entirely for yourself.

So that’s exactly what I am doing right now. Living a life with real people. Not that many. But important people to me.

Money makes the world go round baby.

Haha, Brother my bones are youthful and full of spunk.

I speak real talk, and what's real is real and what's right is right.

What's true will always be true, the problem when dealing with people online is that their entire personality and identity was/is made up and built online, they've never had a true test, they've never had to over come, just a bunch of key strokes and some right clicks, that's all they are.

When you play in the real world, the real life - not cyber life you learn a thing or two along the way, and I'm not the most travelled or highest paid or living the life of a star or any of that, what I am is real, and what's real is real and what's right is right.

People resonate with truth, and the truth never lies.

Truth has no motive, truth has no intentions, truth has no feelings, it just is what it is.

And for the smart arse who will quote me and say what is truth?

My response is - not the lie.

When the batty boys were trying to say that JC didn't get crucified I was like Oh ok, these man dem are swimming in the lake of the fire and they're enjoying it, It's ok with me to leave a drip burn, I ain't out here trying to save these bitches.

I will look for your email. I have somewhat forgotten how to navigate email boxes but I know if I look at it again I will remember the pathways.

That's funny, but no. I was digging deep to find the rotten residue of latent subconscious nihilism. I needed to clean out the gutters.

In short, recovering my integrity and speaking the truth. That's how I felt back then, depraved and depressed.

I am a new man.



I am interested in continuing this conversation, but it is wasted on this forum. I'll shoot you a message at Cat's if that's fine with you, or else, I'll dig up the old email contact. I'm "away" , so I can't discuss at length at the moment.

I will log onto Cats.

Tuuur. It's great you show some balls for once. But your bitchy side still shines through.

Each of us has a rational individual self interest, spiritual self interest, and a religious self interest.

Only the irrational deny this.

All my life is given for me to make something beautiful in contribution to the natural perfection of Creation.

For each instance of heartbeat and perception where I live true to who I am, I move in the direction of natural perfection. As a part in a whole, my natural perfection contributes goodness to the whole, also developing its natural perfection.

Thus, by being here for myself, as you say (which is true) I am doing what is right.

However, you lie and deceive yourself among the rest, that every heartbeat and breath of air doesn't convey molecules through space along incessant interaction in trajectories of geometric consciousness in an infinite present moment unfolding the causal links from here to there...

...[where here is where a man grows a pair of balls and gets over his own mortality, understands the importance of his own legacy, and his willingness to live a good life, for self and posterity (as the only rational thing to do]...

...Or he can be like you pretending that writing messages to each other on the internet has legitimate chemical consequences.

You can ignore what I wrote above but only read these two points and it will explode your mind after it destroys your delusions:

1. The internet is a homogenizing field. All your chemicals which govern your word choices are converted into binary expressions that will never reach authentically to the other.
2. Your experience of "fooling around" with internal peoples as a dreamworld is you having sex with your body's cells. It is a narcissism in the most basic sense. All the women are you, they are what is referred to as "the anima".
3. Welcome to autism. None of the words you choose based on how they feel or how they sound will ever transmit truth to anyone else. You cannot know how it feels to anyone else without having their body in the first place. It's never possible. The only thing you will ever be able to communicate is truth.

The only way to communicate truth is to be rational. The only way to be rational is to survive in war. The only way to generate warfare is through the use of language. The only way to use language is to engage the geometry of relationships which is the spatial imagination.

LOL

Tuur is so far inside his comfort bubble suckling on his comfort blanket he thinks that he knows what God has planned for his entire creation for generations to come.

Well I guess its sad to see and hear yet when someone is that absolutely irrelevant to the plan they're just not able to see it.