Canada's top doctor: Health care system 'imploding'... | |
mathetes
(OP) User ID: 514914 United States 08/16/2009 11:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dr. Anne Doig says patients are getting less than optimal care and she adds that physicians from across the country - who will gather in Saskatoon on Sunday for their annual meeting - recognize that changes must be made Gee I though govt. run healthcare was a good thing For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. |
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mathetes
(OP) User ID: 514914 United States 08/16/2009 11:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | tptb always want a crisis happening. you should know that. are system works pretty good and except for the insanity of building massive infrastructure for no other reason than to goose the economy and make some people a lot of money. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 550600You know I was never into the whole manufactured "crisis thing" but after studying the Progressive movement in the 20th century (Wilson,FDR etc) they plainly talk about the opp. crisis do bring... For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. |
lilmisscantbewrong
User ID: 748187 Canada 08/16/2009 11:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If I am sick or injured I can go to any clinic, doctors office or emergency room for treatment. I don't have to worry about paying for it. Our health standards are also one of the highest in the world, and we also live longer. Yes, there is a downside. Service is slow and sometimes waiting time for special services is beyond disgustingly long. It's true that some people die before they can get treated. We also have an extreme shortage of doctors which doesn't help. We know our system needs work. If it were me running the show, I would want lower taxes and a user pay system as well. However, I don't understand why in your battle over the new health care bill you need to keep dragging Canada's name through the mud. It's rather unneighborly, hmmm? |
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mathetes
(OP) User ID: 514914 United States 08/16/2009 11:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm Canadian, and while I understand that Americans do not want a medical system like ours we do a couple of good points you should consider. Quoting: lilmisscantbewrongIf I am sick or injured I can go to any clinic, doctors office or emergency room for treatment. I don't have to worry about paying for it. Our health standards are also one of the highest in the world, and we also live longer. Yes, there is a downside. Service is slow and sometimes waiting time for special services is beyond disgustingly long. It's true that some people die before they can get treated. We also have an extreme shortage of doctors which doesn't help. We know our system needs work. If it were me running the show, I would want lower taxes and a user pay system as well. However, I don't understand why in your battle over the new health care bill you need to keep dragging Canada's name through the mud. It's rather unneighborly, hmmm? If you'll read the OP its not me "draging" Canada anywhere Its the president of the Canadian Medical Association who says the system is "sick" And if you guys can't get a system to work for 33 million people how can we expect to get one to work for 10 times that many people? Last Edited by mathetes on 08/16/2009 11:52 PM For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 721556 United States 08/17/2009 12:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We also have an extreme shortage of doctors which doesn't help. Quoting: lilmisscantbewrongWe are a family of modest means. I have worked like a dog my whole life so my kids could have something better. My oldest son is in med school. Just took the national exam all med students take after second year. He scored over 95 percentile nationally. He will have over 1/4 of a million dollars in debt by the time he gets out. It's two more years of rotation during which he makes no money but pays tuition and has ordinary living expenses. Then three years of residency where he will make too little to pay any on his debts, which will keep mounting. Just go ahead and nationalize health care and cap doctors' salaries. See how many doctors you will have. About half of all U.S. practitioners are above or near retirement age. My youngest son, who is smarter than the first, is watching carefully, weighing the odds he could ever pay off such a debt. I hope he goes to med school, but if he doesn't I can't blame him. Oh, and save your stupid bullshit flags. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 555582 Canada 08/17/2009 12:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm Canadian, and while I understand that Americans do not want a medical system like ours we do a couple of good points you should consider. Quoting: lilmisscantbewrongIf I am sick or injured I can go to any clinic, doctors office or emergency room for treatment. I don't have to worry about paying for it. Yes you do pay for it via insane taxes. I'm sick to death of paying so many friggin taxes to freeloaders. I paid for you doctor visit. People in Canada go to the doctor for a runny nose (sniffles). Senior citizens go once a week just in case. You people have to realize nothing is free, somebody pays for it. I'd rather have no income tax and pay 5000 a year in health insurance. |
The Citizen
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lillie8
User ID: 689157 United States 08/17/2009 12:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | tptb always want a crisis happening. you should know that. are system works pretty good and except for the insanity of building massive infrastructure for no other reason than to goose the economy and make some people a lot of money. Quoting: mathetesYou know I was never into the whole manufactured "crisis thing" but after studying the Progressive movement in the 20th century (Wilson,FDR etc) they plainly talk about the opp. crisis do bring... Now that Obama has taken the public option off the table...what do you think they will do next? What crisis will they manufacture? |
The Citizen
Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 287257 United States 08/17/2009 12:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | tptb always want a crisis happening. you should know that. are system works pretty good and except for the insanity of building massive infrastructure for no other reason than to goose the economy and make some people a lot of money. Quoting: lillie8You know I was never into the whole manufactured "crisis thing" but after studying the Progressive movement in the 20th century (Wilson,FDR etc) they plainly talk about the opp. crisis do bring... Now that Obama has taken the public option off the table...what do you think they will do next? What crisis will they manufacture? probably court cases against Bush and Cheney for war crimes "If there is a new fascism, it won't come from skinheads and punks; it will come from people who eat granola and think they know how the world should be." - Brian Eno |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 701417 United States 08/17/2009 12:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes. Canadians do pay for it. There is no such thing as free medical care. It is a service that is provided to you. It is not your right to have it. People pay another person. There is nothing wrong with having a government system but it is not going to work in this country. It is better to find other private sector solutions. |
TurnOffYourTV
User ID: 727691 United States 08/17/2009 12:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We also have an extreme shortage of doctors which doesn't help. Quoting: lilmisscantbewrongWell, why do you think that is? Maybe because the earnings aren't worth the cost and hard work it takes to be a doctor. Did you ever think of that? And sorry, it's not free. You pay additional taxes, most of which goes to the government instead of the health care professionals. I'll pass...I'd rather pay the health care pros directly, so they can be happy, relaxed, and love their jobs and their salaries, thus encouraging them to be better at their jobs. They worked hard to be what they are, and they deserve their pay. Why should the government get even half of it? All the government does is lie and steal freedom away from all of us. Please, start thinking. Last Edited by TurnOffYourTV on 08/17/2009 12:49 AM KILL YOUR TV NOW! IT IS HYPNOTIZING AND BRAINWASHING YOU! TURN IT OFF FOR GOOD! |
mathetes
(OP) User ID: 514914 United States 08/17/2009 12:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | tptb always want a crisis happening. you should know that. are system works pretty good and except for the insanity of building massive infrastructure for no other reason than to goose the economy and make some people a lot of money. Quoting: lillie8You know I was never into the whole manufactured "crisis thing" but after studying the Progressive movement in the 20th century (Wilson,FDR etc) they plainly talk about the opp. crisis do bring... Now that Obama has taken the public option off the table...what do you think they will do next? What crisis will they manufacture? Great question! Progressives(which Obama is)love to have social wars, Prohibiton etc....they considered WWI a great social experiment. For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. |
lillie8
User ID: 689157 United States 08/17/2009 12:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | tptb always want a crisis happening. you should know that. are system works pretty good and except for the insanity of building massive infrastructure for no other reason than to goose the economy and make some people a lot of money. Quoting: The CitizenYou know I was never into the whole manufactured "crisis thing" but after studying the Progressive movement in the 20th century (Wilson,FDR etc) they plainly talk about the opp. crisis do bring... Now that Obama has taken the public option off the table...what do you think they will do next? What crisis will they manufacture? probably court cases against Bush and Cheney for war crimes You know you are probably right. Watch them start deflecting come Monday morning, although I don't think they fully appreciate nor understand the coming storm. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 748187 Canada 08/17/2009 01:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We also have an extreme shortage of doctors which doesn't help. Quoting: lilmisscantbewrongWe know our system needs work. If it were me running the show, I would want lower taxes and a user pay system as well. Did you read my full post? I don't want to get into a pissing match with all of you. I won't win anyway. And if you didn't intend to slag Canada why did you base your post on that medical report? I know our system is broken. I know our doctors go elsewhere because of salary caps. They go to the U.S. I repeat: if it were me I'd like lower taxes and a user pay system as well. So I understand that I pay for it through my taxes. Unfortunately I am not the supreme ruler of Canada. And you can't go to the doctor for sniffles, it takes two weeks to a month to even get an appointment to go in. What I am saying is this: your senators and President Asshat have no right to drag our system into your health care bill argument. This isn't about us, its about you. |
TurnOffYourTV
User ID: 727691 United States 08/17/2009 01:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We also have an extreme shortage of doctors which doesn't help. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 748187We know our system needs work. If it were me running the show, I would want lower taxes and a user pay system as well. Did you read my full post? I don't want to get into a pissing match with all of you. I won't win anyway. And if you didn't intend to slag Canada why did you base your post on that medical report? I know our system is broken. I know our doctors go elsewhere because of salary caps. They go to the U.S. I repeat: if it were me I'd like lower taxes and a user pay system as well. So I understand that I pay for it through my taxes. Unfortunately I am not the supreme ruler of Canada. And you can't go to the doctor for sniffles, it takes two weeks to a month to even get an appointment to go in. What I am saying is this: your senators and President Asshat have no right to drag our system into your health care bill argument. This isn't about us, its about you. That's more like it...sounds like you're against socialized medicine after all. I guess I did misread your post...somewhat. But I don't see 'anything good' about your health care system. President Asshat...that's awesome! Last Edited by TurnOffYourTV on 08/17/2009 01:10 AM KILL YOUR TV NOW! IT IS HYPNOTIZING AND BRAINWASHING YOU! TURN IT OFF FOR GOOD! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 749356 United States 08/17/2009 01:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We also have an extreme shortage of doctors which doesn't help. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 748187We know our system needs work. If it were me running the show, I would want lower taxes and a user pay system as well. Did you read my full post? I don't want to get into a pissing match with all of you. I won't win anyway. And if you didn't intend to slag Canada why did you base your post on that medical report? I know our system is broken. I know our doctors go elsewhere because of salary caps. They go to the U.S. I repeat: if it were me I'd like lower taxes and a user pay system as well. So I understand that I pay for it through my taxes. Unfortunately I am not the supreme ruler of Canada. And you can't go to the doctor for sniffles, it takes two weeks to a month to even get an appointment to go in. What I am saying is this: your senators and President Asshat have no right to drag our system into your health care bill argument. This isn't about us, its about you. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 279896 United States 08/17/2009 01:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dr. Anne Doig says patients are getting less than optimal care and she adds that physicians from across the country - who will gather in Saskatoon on Sunday for their annual meeting - recognize that changes must be made Quoting: mathetesGee I though govt. run healthcare was a good thing That is the gayest avatar ever.i hope it's not you. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 555582 Canada 08/17/2009 01:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We also have an extreme shortage of doctors which doesn't help. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 748187We know our system needs work. If it were me running the show, I would want lower taxes and a user pay system as well. Did you read my full post? I don't want to get into a pissing match with all of you. I won't win anyway. And if you didn't intend to slag Canada why did you base your post on that medical report? I know our system is broken. I know our doctors go elsewhere because of salary caps. They go to the U.S. I repeat: if it were me I'd like lower taxes and a user pay system as well. So I understand that I pay for it through my taxes. Unfortunately I am not the supreme ruler of Canada. And you can't go to the doctor for sniffles, it takes two weeks to a month to even get an appointment to go in. What I am saying is this: your senators and President Asshat have no right to drag our system into your health care bill argument. This isn't about us, its about you. I can phone the doctors office tomorrow morning and get in later that afternoon to look at the color of the snot coming out of my nose right here in Saskatchewan. |
SEADOG User ID: 662524 Canada 08/17/2009 01:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are both demographic and technical components to this issue. People are living a lot longer. This is due to technological advances that are very expensive.There are a lot of old people.I have had the benifit of very good, and cheap medical care. The health care system is imploding because we have too many baby boomers that are costing the system millions per capita to keep them alive a few months longer. So, for the benefit of those over 80, we are going to sacrifice health care for those under 20? You call that rationing? You betcha! My dad is at the doctor at least twice a week, It is his life now. Any idea what that costs? He's in relatively good health, but they are always suggesting some test or another. Socialized medicine or not. You cannot spend 100 times the fees you have paid, in the last years of your life. OK, in the US, you can spend every penny you ever paid. How is that better? Fucking hip replacements for 89 year old men. Come on...... As life extension becomes more feasible, the question has to be asked...how much?? Seems to me that that effort could be better extended at the lower levels. Not to a generation that has led a spoiled life, and spent their children's and grandchildren's money on their indulgences. You can't have it all for nothing. But in the US, if you have nothing, you get same. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 748187 Canada 08/17/2009 01:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I can phone the doctors office tomorrow morning and get in later that afternoon to look at the color of the snot coming out of my nose right here in Saskatchewan. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 555582Well goody for you. I'm glad all the extra taxes I pay in Ontario that get shipped out west to you guys in the name of equalization payments do something. Your taxes are lower than mine second asshat of the post. Piss off. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 598350 Canada 08/17/2009 01:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I can phone the doctors office tomorrow morning and get in later that afternoon to look at the color of the snot coming out of my nose right here in Saskatchewan. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 748187Well goody for you. I'm glad all the extra taxes I pay in Ontario that get shipped out west to you guys in the name of equalization payments do something. Your taxes are lower than mine second asshat of the post. Piss off. If it makes you feel better Alberta sends more money than anyone into equalization payments, and you cant get a family doctor at all in Calgary |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 748187 Canada 08/17/2009 02:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If it makes you feel better Alberta sends more money than anyone into equalization payments, and you cant get a family doctor at all in Calgary Quoting: Anonymous Coward 598350Well, I guess, if anything we are definitely showing the Americans how happy we are up here with socialized medicine. NOT! Anyway, I thought Alberta was a partial user pay system? The only lucky buggers in Canada to at least get something out of the shithole system we have. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 731648 Canada 08/17/2009 02:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I can phone the doctors office tomorrow morning and get in later that afternoon to look at the color of the snot coming out of my nose right here in Saskatchewan. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 748187Well goody for you. I'm glad all the extra taxes I pay in Ontario that get shipped out west to you guys in the name of equalization payments do something. Your taxes are lower than mine second asshat of the post. Piss off. In actual fact,Provincal income taxes in Sask. are higher than in Ont. Saskatchewan 11% on the first $40,113 of taxable income, + 13% on the next $74,497, + 15% on the amount over $114,610 Ontario 6.05% on the first $36,848 of taxable income, + 9.15% on the next $36,850, + 11.16% on the amount over $73,698 Good news eh? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 748187 Canada 08/17/2009 02:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In actual fact,Provincal income taxes in Sask. are higher than in Ont. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 731648Saskatchewan 11% on the first $40,113 of taxable income, + 13% on the next $74,497, + 15% on the amount over $114,610 Ontario 6.05% on the first $36,848 of taxable income, + 9.15% on the next $36,850, + 11.16% on the amount over $73,698 Good news eh? It looks better at the lower end of the tax scale for sure. Where I am on the scale, not so much. |
The Commentator
User ID: 587619 United States 08/17/2009 02:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm Canadian, and while I understand that Americans do not want a medical system like ours we do a couple of good points you should consider. Quoting: lilmisscantbewrongIf I am sick or injured I can go to any clinic, doctors office or emergency room for treatment. I don't have to worry about paying for it. Our health standards are also one of the highest in the world, and we also live longer. Yes, there is a downside. Service is slow and sometimes waiting time for special services is beyond disgustingly long. It's true that some people die before they can get treated. We also have an extreme shortage of doctors which doesn't help. We know our system needs work. If it were me running the show, I would want lower taxes and a user pay system as well. However, I don't understand why in your battle over the new health care bill you need to keep dragging Canada's name through the mud. It's rather unneighborly, hmmm? The taxes you pay paid for your health care, whether you used it or not. You don't have "free" health care, you have prepaid heath care, a quite different animal, and even that has some pretty terrible holes in it. non sufficit Orbis Being a zetatard means never having to make sense. "Nancy pays me to post on Her threads" Free Store admits to being a paid zetadrool shill NO max/bridget EVER!!!!! NO luser EVER!!! NO clunker EVER!!!!! |