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Why blame G-d for the condition of the world?

 
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The reason I never asked you to prove G_d is because I wouldn't ask you to prove something that does not exist in the form you believe it to be in.

I don't wanna shake your faith. I just wanna get you to ask questions about what it really is you have put your faith in. The G_d that cannot be questioned is not the true G_d.

G_d created satan and has allowed him to have dominion over the Earth according to Torah. Why? For what purpose could it be possible for an all good G_d to allow evil to prosper on the Earth?

The only reason that Believers continue to grasp with neurotic desperation is Freewill. How can Freewill be worth it? So a G_d full of vanity can have humans worship him out of love and faith? If so, then why is G_d so willing to scare and intimidate us into believing in Him at the threat of eternal hell and damnation. It is a powerful contradiction to the idea of a G_d who has released evil into the world because he wanted Freewill.

The blood cost of freewill is too high. G_d is watching as 10,000 innocent children Without Sin died today of starvation and disease. He did nothing because He wants Freewill. That is vanity of the first order. What sort of G_d allows this? Ask Yourself.

My friend, when you re-define your concept of G_d into something a little less divine and alot more human, you will find your True Faith that does not require you to believe in a G_d that has given satan dominion over his Creation and does nothing as children starve to death. Shalom.



I'll do my best to answer your question honestly, but if you want me to prove G-d, sorry I can't. That's why it's called faith...maybe you've heard of it?




OP. I know your not as stupid as your question seems to be.

Thanks for the back-sided compliment...I think.


Do you believe G_d created the world?

Yes


Do you believe that G_d is in control of the world?


No...I believe that Satan is in control of the world through our disobedience. I believe in free will. But, I also believe that G-d can use us if we are willing, and I believe that Satan can as well...if we are willing.



So why is G_d not responsible for his creation??? It is all in G_d's Plan, right???


As free people, we are responsible for our own actions.
The world as it is, was never G-d's plan.



Everything happens for a reason according to people like you, right????


That's a really good question. I'll go with that. But I believe most things happen for 'our' reasons, or Satan's reasons...that doesn't mean they line up with G-d's wishes. But to be honest, I'll have to think about that some more. I'm sure I can come up with a better answer. Thanks for the stimulating question.


If there is a G_d then he created the world and is in control of it, right???? Otherwise, G_d is not G-d, right???


G-d created the world for us to subdue. We have failed...that doesn't mean G-d is not G-d. That is circular reasoning (a common tactic of "people like you") and illogical.


G_d has the power to prevent suffering and yet does nothing. Thousands of innocent children died today from starvation and yet G_d did not move a muscle.


Again...that pesky free will problem. If G-d intervenes, nobody is free. That just leads right back to my original question. Why is everybody blaming G-d for the evil that men do? Don't you think you should be blaming the evil men that cause the suffering 'freely'?


Wake up from your delusion OP. That is not a G_d worth believing in my friend. And, you know it.


I believe it is you, that are in a delusion...but we could go round and round on that...so, let's not.


And you can't shake my faith...



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To those of you that keep blaming G-d for the condition of the world, for all the suffering and evil in it, please ask yourselves this question:

If you were to get really drunk, and jump in your car, run over somebody that was crossing a street and then crash your car into a telephone pole...completely totaling your car and killing the pedestrian...would you blame the manufacturer of the car?
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"god is NOT subject to the carnal nature, neither can he (it) be"

If anyone understands this, then you will know why G-D hasn't anything to do with human affairs.







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Re: Why blame G-d for the condition of the world?
The reason I never asked you to prove G_d is because I wouldn't ask you to prove something that does not exist in the form you believe it to be in.

I don't wanna shake your faith. I just wanna get you to ask questions about what it really is you have put your faith in. The G_d that cannot be questioned is not the true G_d.

G_d created satan and has allowed him to have dominion over the Earth according to Torah. Why? For what purpose could it be possible for an all good G_d to allow evil to prosper on the Earth?

The only reason that Believers continue to grasp with neurotic desperation is Freewill. How can Freewill be worth it? So a G_d full of vanity can have humans worship him out of love and faith? If so, then why is G_d so willing to scare and intimidate us into believing in Him at the threat of eternal hell and damnation. It is a powerful contradiction to the idea of a G_d who has released evil into the world because he wanted Freewill.

The blood cost of freewill is too high. G_d is watching as 10,000 innocent children Without Sin died today of starvation and disease. He did nothing because He wants Freewill. That is vanity of the first order. What sort of G_d allows this? Ask Yourself.

My friend, when you re-define your concept of G_d into something a little less divine and alot more human, you will find your True Faith that does not require you to believe in a G_d that has given satan dominion over his Creation and does nothing as children starve to death. Shalom.




I'll do my best to answer your question honestly, but if you want me to prove G-d, sorry I can't. That's why it's called faith...maybe you've heard of it?




OP. I know your not as stupid as your question seems to be.

Thanks for the back-sided compliment...I think.


Do you believe G_d created the world?

Yes


Do you believe that G_d is in control of the world?


No...I believe that Satan is in control of the world through our disobedience. I believe in free will. But, I also believe that G-d can use us if we are willing, and I believe that Satan can as well...if we are willing.



So why is G_d not responsible for his creation??? It is all in G_d's Plan, right???


As free people, we are responsible for our own actions.
The world as it is, was never G-d's plan.



Everything happens for a reason according to people like you, right????


That's a really good question. I'll go with that. But I believe most things happen for 'our' reasons, or Satan's reasons...that doesn't mean they line up with G-d's wishes. But to be honest, I'll have to think about that some more. I'm sure I can come up with a better answer. Thanks for the stimulating question.


If there is a G_d then he created the world and is in control of it, right???? Otherwise, G_d is not G-d, right???


G-d created the world for us to subdue. We have failed...that doesn't mean G-d is not G-d. That is circular reasoning (a common tactic of "people like you") and illogical.


G_d has the power to prevent suffering and yet does nothing. Thousands of innocent children died today from starvation and yet G_d did not move a muscle.


Again...that pesky free will problem. If G-d intervenes, nobody is free. That just leads right back to my original question. Why is everybody blaming G-d for the evil that men do? Don't you think you should be blaming the evil men that cause the suffering 'freely'?


Wake up from your delusion OP. That is not a G_d worth believing in my friend. And, you know it.


I believe it is you, that are in a delusion...but we could go round and round on that...so, let's not.


And you can't shake my faith...




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Hey, since you like quizzes so much, and I took yours, would you be so kind as to take one yourself?



How do you think the origin of man is?


Do you believe in the theory of evolution (I'm not talking about microevolution, rather that we evolved from monkeys, rocks, fish, or soup...or whatever)?


Do you believe in the "Origin of Species"?


Do you think the world is 4.6 billion years old?


Do you advocate abortion (don't be a pussy and dodge this just to be PC...have some courage...take a stand)?


Do you believe in free will?


Do you believe that your government is corrupt (do you think they lie for their own gain)?


Do you believe government (public) schools teach only proven facts?


Do you believe there was a designer of your car?
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Re: Why blame G-d for the condition of the world?
By the way, any non believer in G-d, feel free to answer my questions.

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Re: Why blame G-d for the condition of the world?
To those of you that keep blaming G-d for the condition of the world, for all the suffering and evil in it, please ask yourselves this question:

If you were to get really drunk, and jump in your car, run over somebody that was crossing a street and then crash your car into a telephone pole...completely totaling your car and killing the pedestrian...would you blame the manufacturer of the car?
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Man I turned off my TV about 6 months ago, and I am much happier now.

Why do you spell God, G-d? G dash d?

But yeah it is stupid to blame God for anything, I am thankful for my life, and being able to learn and grow here on Earth. I kinda think this life is sort of like a video game where you learn all kinds of things and let your soul grow, in preparation for the next life in an infinite string of lives.
It is a great day to be alive!
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Re: Why blame G-d for the condition of the world?
Why is it that Atheists ask the questions but never give the answers? Or a better question: Why don't believers ever ask the questions?


Here are my questions again:



What do you think the origin of man is?


Do you believe in the theory of evolution (I'm not talking about microevolution, rather that we evolved from monkeys, rocks, fish, or soup...or whatever)?


Do you believe in the "Origin of Species"?


Do you think the world is 4.6 billion years old?


Do you advocate abortion (don't be a pussy and dodge this just to be PC...have some courage...take a stand)?


Do you believe in free will?


Do you believe that your government is corrupt (do you think they lie for their own gain)?


Do you believe government (public) schools teach only proven facts?


Do you believe there was a designer of your car?



No takers?
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08/17/2009 03:16 AM
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Re: Why blame G-d for the condition of the world?
Alright, since you asked and you did do a halfway decent job of answering me questions. Alot of your questions repeat and overlap. Your freewill question is retarded because it pre-supposes a G_d to have given us freewill. I've been pretty f'ing clear about my opinion on that one I think. Your last questions are irrelevant to your own thread, so no point in answering them.

No, I don't believe in evolution. Believing is only necessary when not enough proof exists. Luckily, the evidence for evolution is so intensive that there is no need for anyone to believe. They can now KNOW in Evolution.
(BTW, you don't have to KNOW in Evolution to understand that Biblical origin timelines are absurd. All you have to do is know that dinosaurs existed and the Bible story is immediately false.

Animal evolution is proven fact. Human evolution is more complex. There is a gap in the available evidence that fails to explain why humans have developed such vastly greater mental acuity than other species here. This is where the Intelligent Design folks step in. I chose to believe that a SuperNormal group of entities altered our DNA allowing us to advance in hyper-speed compared to other animal species. We are an Alien science class experiment. An Alien Ant Farm if you want to think of it that way.


Yes, I believe in the "Origin of Species" if you are meaning if I believe it was a book written by Darwin.

Yes, I advocate abortion RIGHTS for women to choose and have control over their bodies. Every child should be a wanted child.

I especially advocate abortion for Christians (joke).

^^^>>***<<^^^






Why is it that Atheists ask the questions but never give the answers? Or a better question: Why don't believers ever ask the questions?


Here are my questions again:



What do you think the origin of man is?


Do you believe in the theory of evolution (I'm not talking about microevolution, rather that we evolved from monkeys, rocks, fish, or soup...or whatever)?


Do you believe in the "Origin of Species"?


Do you think the world is 4.6 billion years old?


Do you advocate abortion (don't be a pussy and dodge this just to be PC...have some courage...take a stand)?


Do you believe in free will?


Do you believe that your government is corrupt (do you think they lie for their own gain)?


Do you believe government (public) schools teach only proven facts?


Do you believe there was a designer of your car?



No takers?
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Alright, since you asked and you did do a halfway decent job of answering me questions. Alot of your questions repeat and overlap. Your freewill question is retarded because it pre-supposes a G_d to have given us freewill. I've been pretty f'ing clear about my opinion on that one I think. Your last questions are irrelevant to your own thread, so no point in answering them.

No, I don't believe in evolution. Believing is only necessary when not enough proof exists. Luckily, the evidence for evolution is so intensive that there is no need for anyone to believe. They can now KNOW in Evolution.
(BTW, you don't have to KNOW in Evolution to understand that Biblical origin timelines are absurd. All you have to do is know that dinosaurs existed and the Bible story is immediately false.

Animal evolution is proven fact. Human evolution is more complex. There is a gap in the available evidence that fails to explain why humans have developed such vastly greater mental acuity than other species here. This is where the Intelligent Design folks step in. I chose to believe that a SuperNormal group of entities altered our DNA allowing us to advance in hyper-speed compared to other animal species. We are an Alien science class experiment. An Alien Ant Farm if you want to think of it that way.


Yes, I believe in the "Origin of Species" if you are meaning if I believe it was a book written by Darwin.

Yes, I advocate abortion RIGHTS for women to choose and have control over their bodies. Every child should be a wanted child.

I especially advocate abortion for Christians (joke).

^^^>>***<<^^^
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Awww...c'mon, answer all the questions, as I did. None of them overlap...'or' repeat, as you say. They are independent of one another. Alright, maybe the first two overlap, but that's it. You had overlapping questions too. Humor me...

So far, so good though.



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Do you believe that your government is corrupt (do you think they lie for their own gain)?


Do you believe government (public) schools teach only proven facts?


Do you believe there was a designer of your car?

Last Edited by TurnOffYourTV on 08/18/2009 02:25 AM
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Re: Why blame G-d for the condition of the world?
Blaming the deity is a way of avoiding personal responsibility.
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Re: Why blame G-d for the condition of the world?
To those of you that keep blaming G-d for the condition of the world, for all the suffering and evil in it, please ask yourselves this question:

If you were to get really drunk, and jump in your car, run over somebody that was crossing a street and then crash your car into a telephone pole...completely totaling your car and killing the pedestrian...would you blame the manufacturer of the car?
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YOur god fugger is just a joke. It's a little bitty nothing. It is 100 per cent imaginary. It can't do sh*t.

It's a nowhere nothing make belive god. That's why it's a 6,000 year show dumper god fugger.

You mindless chirsturds are on your own.
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Re: Why blame G-d for the condition of the world?
To those of you that keep blaming G-d for the condition of the world, for all the suffering and evil in it, please ask yourselves this question:

If you were to get really drunk, and jump in your car, run over somebody that was crossing a street and then crash your car into a telephone pole...completely totaling your car and killing the pedestrian...would you blame the manufacturer of the car?



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YOur god fugger is just a joke. It's a little bitty nothing. It is 100 per cent imaginary. It can't do sh*t.

It's a nowhere nothing make belive god. That's why it's a 6,000 year show dumper god fugger.

You mindless chirsturds are on your own.
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Oh hello, it is you again. What about all the other gods, beside the "christurd" one? You do seem to have a particular fixation on that one. There are all sorts of other ones out there that you can lambaste. The christian god is not even the worst of them, in fact compared to the islamic god it is quite mild.
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Re: Why blame G-d for the condition of the world?
See how they dodge the questions? Maybe he sees where I'm going with this, and can't handle the truth. Finish the questions man. Fair is fair...I thought your questions were pretty dumb, but I stood up. I answered every one of them...even the proven fallacies. It is interesting that you avoided those three specifically.

Last Edited by TurnOffYourTV on 08/18/2009 02:21 AM
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