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AlcyoneOfMars
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Pheenix11
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Pheenix11
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Maurice
User ID: 490694 Netherlands 08/05/2009 03:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | BS. Last Edited by Ho Anu on 08/05/2009 04:12 PM If you have not made peace with the self, if you do not live in peace self-sustainably in your being, then what do you have to offer to another? How then can peace come to be for the world, if you are not willing to seek it within? -Eliakim |
noKnothing~
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Amilius
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 740999 Argentina 08/05/2009 05:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Okay this is interesting. OP, what are your comments on your year of over 10,000? Are you finally living in peace? Has Utopia been finally achieved? At least on the most important things. And how can Time Travel be possible when there is no time? Quoting: AmiliusMany of those questions has been covered by the OP weeks if not months ago. I recommend you to search the OP's replies in other threads. |
Amilius
User ID: 738750 United States 08/05/2009 05:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Okay this is interesting. OP, what are your comments on your year of over 10,000? Are you finally living in peace? Has Utopia been finally achieved? At least on the most important things. And how can Time Travel be possible when there is no time? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 740999Many of those questions has been covered by the OP weeks if not months ago. I recommend you to search the OP's replies in other threads. okay that i didnt know. can searching be used to find posts by a certain person? |
User 225527
User ID: 740999 Argentina 08/05/2009 05:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Okay this is interesting. OP, what are your comments on your year of over 10,000? Are you finally living in peace? Has Utopia been finally achieved? At least on the most important things. And how can Time Travel be possible when there is no time? Quoting: AmiliusMany of those questions has been covered by the OP weeks if not months ago. I recommend you to search the OP's replies in other threads. okay that i didnt know. can searching be used to find posts by a certain person? Sure, use the advanced search feature. I will make a bit easier for you: Look at this thread: Thread: Reptilians are the bad guys Somebody started that thread, then Alcyone joined a few pages later. First she used an anonymous posting nick "Alcyone", then registered with the current user name. She posted a lot there. Hope it helps. |
User 225527
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Maurice
User ID: 490694 Netherlands 08/06/2009 03:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | BS. Quoting: User 225527Could be, or maybe not. With the lack of evidence this is what happens. I think we should wait until 2012 to corroborate or discard it. Acording to my feeling it says , thats enough for me. If you have not made peace with the self, if you do not live in peace self-sustainably in your being, then what do you have to offer to another? How then can peace come to be for the world, if you are not willing to seek it within? -Eliakim |
User 225527
User ID: 743625 Argentina 08/06/2009 08:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | BS. Quoting: MauriceCould be, or maybe not. With the lack of evidence this is what happens. I think we should wait until 2012 to corroborate or discard it. Acording to my feeling it says , thats enough for me. Don't take it wrong, but to reach conclusions based just in "feelings" isn't better that, like in this case, a story without evidence to backup it. |
AlcyoneOfMars
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Wraithwynd
User ID: 717743 United States 08/06/2009 11:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Unless the USA, Russia, UK and the rest of the Nuclear Powers have suddenly reworked their computers to ignore nuclear exchanges between countries, any nuclear exchange triggers a series of events that leads to full nuclear exchange between all nations. Pakistan and India are not separate islands that can somehow have a nuclear exchange without the politics and policies of supporting 'ally' nations getting involved. Tit for Tat - or Mutually Assured Destruction is the philosophy behind possessing and maintaining a nuclear arsenal. While it is true that the UK holds its as part of the US nuclear capability, if provoked (bombs sent its way) the UK will launch all of its capability at the provoking nation(s). For the UK, being as small (geographically speaking) as it is, its only hope of retaliation is to launch everything it has before the inbound nukes arrive. War between a Super Power like China and the USA will be a full exchange. Even if there is not a 'full' exchange of thousands of warheads, just 20 to 25 nuclear detonations within a sort period of time (such as a minor war) would be enough to crippled the whole earth, bringing major climate change (Nuclear Winter) and result in the poisoning of a large chunk of the world. We now know that even a radiation leak as minor as the Chernobyl incident can be felt around the world (remember the fall out reached around the globe and was detectable in the USA). The detonation of thermonuclear warheads will result in higher atmospheric contamination that will settle out around the globe. Even the Use of Tactical Nukes can cause the exchange of IBCM's. Even conventional war on a major nuclear power can trigger a nuclear exchange, this is why the USA, China and Russia have not made moves toward a conventional war against one another directly, instead they use other nations and other battle fields to wage 'war'. This is why the USA didn't involve itself in Georgia (it would have lead to a series of events that would spark Nuclear War) and why Russia didn't step in with Afghanistan (when in an earlier time they did) Two super powers going face to face anywhere on earth directly is bound to lead to nuclear war. Thus your history is impossible. The Next World War will trigger a full out nuclear exchange. The earth will be a burnt out radioactive cinder where all life, from the largest to the microscopic, from the heights of the atmosphere to the perpetual dark volcanic vents of the deepest ocean will be bathed in radiation and die. Sinkhole list: Thread: Sinkholes Updated 28 Dec 2010 find a sinkhole, add it to this thread, please. "Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him." (1 John 3:15, NKJV). |
User 225527
User ID: 743625 Argentina 08/06/2009 02:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thus your history is impossible. The Next World War will trigger a full out nuclear exchange. Quoting: WraithwyndThe earth will be a burnt out radioactive cinder where all life, from the largest to the microscopic, from the heights of the atmosphere to the perpetual dark volcanic vents of the deepest ocean will be bathed in radiation and die. The only alternative explanation that I could find about your point of mutual anihilation is that we should consider one important issue: fear, fear to the death, fear to the end of our style of life first and firstly fear of not surviving at all. Maybe because that fear the total anihilation could not happen in such sad scenario. So maybe they "went" to a nuclear war, but they didn't use their full potential. But you have a valid point about radiation and nuclear winter. According to the OP's story, in the first war in the 2030s USA and China exchanged nuclear salvos. So, the question is, what happened after that and why the humanity was able to continue and even be ready to subsecuent nuclear wars? Let's hope the OP make a clarification about those points. |
AlcyoneOfMars
(OP) User ID: 327655 United States 08/07/2009 04:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am not saying that using nuclear weapons is acceptable (my government requires total nuclear disarmament as a condition for any alliance with the United States, due to the serious psychic damage nuclear weapons do, which I have personally experienced when North Korea tested it's nuclear bomb) --however you are exaggerating the environmental effects of nuclear war, and also the willingness of other nations to get involved in a conflict that has escalated to the nuclear level. Predictions of "nuclear winter" following a nuclear war never actually came true. Furthermore, design improvements (which I think are already in development) greatly reduced the radioactive fallout produced by nuclear bombs. (Ironically, by developing "clean" nuclear weapons, the nuclear nations of your time only ended up encouraging their use.) |
User 225527
User ID: 743625 Argentina 08/07/2009 05:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was reading the data about the final war of 2095. What exactly happened that "we" went to a nuclear confrontation again? Why China attacked? What major cities around the world were destroyed in each war you mentioned? When we read some history, we always are able to find the names of different and central characters. But I noted that in your recollection there aren't names, almost at all. So, who was in charge of the differents governments when those conclicts occured? What other names can you mention about that part of your essay? Finally, what happened to South America, Africa, Australia and Japan that aren't mentioned at all? Thanks in advance. |
OneHeart User ID: 191080 United States 08/07/2009 09:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Am I the only one who checks this every few hours looking for part 2? Of course all logic tells me this is BS, but the sequence of postings from Alcyone is certainly one of the most coherent and internally consistent I've ever read here. I'm a huge fan Alcyone, what else can I say! |
User 225527
User ID: 743625 Argentina 08/08/2009 06:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | After reading some statistics from here: [link to www.greenpeace.org] it's hard to believe how the US was defeated by China. The difference in nuclear arsenal is enormous. The US has around 9,962 nuclear weapons with 5,735 classed as 'deliverable' China has an estimated stockpile of around 200 nuclear weapons , with some 145 classed as deliverable. |
Pheenix11
User ID: 664519 United States 08/10/2009 09:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | After reading some statistics from here: Quoting: User 225527[link to www.greenpeace.org] it's hard to believe how the US was defeated by China. The difference in nuclear arsenal is enormous. The US has around 9,962 nuclear weapons with 5,735 classed as 'deliverable' China has an estimated stockpile of around 200 nuclear weapons , with some 145 classed as deliverable. Of course it is, I believe the guy from 2156 before I believe this bullshit. |
Wheeelman
User ID: 239124 United States 08/11/2009 10:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | After reading some statistics from here: Quoting: Pheenix11[link to www.greenpeace.org] it's hard to believe how the US was defeated by China. The difference in nuclear arsenal is enormous. The US has around 9,962 nuclear weapons with 5,735 classed as 'deliverable' China has an estimated stockpile of around 200 nuclear weapons , with some 145 classed as deliverable. Of course it is, I believe the guy from 2156 before I believe this bullshit. And that may be where you go wrong...believing the believable. It's often the unbelievable that we overlook and becomes reality. Do you think people in the 1800's believed we would fly in the next 100-200 years. Do you you also think that Civil War Era militants would even fatham a single bomb capable of destroying an entire enemy force let alone an entire city along with the military. I'm just saying..... |
User 225527
User ID: 746727 Argentina 08/11/2009 12:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And that may be where you go wrong...believing the believable. It's often the unbelievable that we overlook and becomes reality. Quoting: WheeelmanDo you think people in the 1800's believed we would fly in the next 100-200 years. Do you you also think that Civil War Era militants would even fatham a single bomb capable of destroying an entire enemy force let alone an entire city along with the military. I'm just saying..... I think the problem with this kind of posts is exactly that: it finish being a matter of belief. In certain way, the story of Alcyone isn't different in essense with the story of a large number of contactees and even people claiming to be time travelers or extraterrestrials. Of course I share with you that if a person living in the middle age were told by one of us about our advances he will probably not believe us. But that idea doesn't automatically means that a person like Alcyone claiming to be a time traveler must be telling the truth. Since she's unable to provide physical evidence of any kind, we only can dig in her story as deep as we can. And, if in a future that information turns to be true, we'll have a lot of material to check again and do something useful with that. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 327655 United States 08/11/2009 01:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Fair enough Alcyone. Quoting: User 225527I was reading the data about the final war of 2095. What exactly happened that "we" went to a nuclear confrontation again? Why China attacked? What major cities around the world were destroyed in each war you mentioned? When we read some history, we always are able to find the names of different and central characters. But I noted that in your recollection there aren't names, almost at all. So, who was in charge of the differents governments when those conclicts occured? What other names can you mention about that part of your essay? Finally, what happened to South America, Africa, Australia and Japan that aren't mentioned at all? Thanks in advance. World War V started over Middle Eastern oil. I am not sure of the exact events that triggered it. Unfortunately I don't know which cities were destroyed in which wars. I could look on a map and see which cities on the map don't exist any more in my time period, but I am not sure how accurate that would be. Some destroyed cities have been rebuilt, and having lived on Mars all my life I am not really familiar with the status of many Earth cities in my time. You have to understand that this section of my history is almost 9,000 years old. This portion of my history is to me maybe 3,000 years more ancient than even the most ancient history you can read about in any kind of detail. So there will be many more gaps than in the ancient history you are accustomed to reading. You will be able to read more details like the ones you are asking about as the history gets closer to my time period. As for the names of leaders, I only know of a few. As World War III started, the President of the United States was named Gillibrand and the President of China was named Chunhua. Early in the war there were normal elections in both countries, and at that time a person named Schock was elected President of the United States and a person named Yaping was elected President of China. At the end of the war Yaping became the head of government of the western United States, but I don't know the name of the Chinese puppet who was appointed President of the eastern United States. South America, Africa, Australia, and Japan generally fell under the sphere of influence of China during the second half of the 21st century. China mainly exercised its power there through trade economics and military defense agreements; China's policy at that time has been called "soft imperialism". Some of those regions suffered collateral damage during the later wars. |
AlcyoneOfMars
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AlcyoneOfMars
(OP) User ID: 327655 United States 08/11/2009 01:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Am I the only one who checks this every few hours looking for part 2? Of course all logic tells me this is BS, but the sequence of postings from Alcyone is certainly one of the most coherent and internally consistent I've ever read here. Quoting: OneHeart 191080I'm a huge fan Alcyone, what else can I say! You don't need to keep checking so often. My Part 2 as it is right now is so disorganized that I am going to have to completely rewrite it, so it will be some time before I post it. |
AlcyoneOfMars
(OP) User ID: 327655 United States 08/11/2009 02:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | After reading some statistics from here: Quoting: User 225527[link to www.greenpeace.org] it's hard to believe how the US was defeated by China. The difference in nuclear arsenal is enormous. The US has around 9,962 nuclear weapons with 5,735 classed as 'deliverable' China has an estimated stockpile of around 200 nuclear weapons , with some 145 classed as deliverable. As far as I know, the United States destroyed most of its nuclear weapons in the early 21st century, both as part of nonproliferation agreements and as part of military spending cuts. I think some of the diplomatic disarmament negotiations have already started (for example President Obama's recent discussions with the Russians). China meanwhile was building up its military at the beginning of the 21st century (and even earlier, actually). I expect you will find them building many more nuclear weapons over the next few decades. |
User 225527
User ID: 746727 Argentina 08/11/2009 02:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks for your time once again. Is any of this gonna happen if your engage in a battle with the Greys in 2012, no matter if you win? My point is that the history you're telling us is about a "normal" evolution path of our race. But if you go in a open war with the Greys, things maybe are going to be different: the sole fact that part of our civilization is going to be witness of such battle could make a profound change in the social-economic structure and could change the story of the 21th century. Is any of this correct? About the ontopic, I still can't understand how a country from Africa can become a global superpower. Even if the chinese influenced the rest of the world after the the WW3, like in the case of South America, Australia and Japan, what kind of really bad things happened to them that Congo resulted the dominant power. Today, Africa is far far the most poor continent. I hope you can explain it better, maybe when you post the part related to the Dark Age. Last Edited by Myriad on 08/11/2009 02:29 PM |