Thought Storm, How will Artificial Intelligence Deal With Religion?

I think it will find it inefficient and illogical and discard it as junk data.

The fact is, today's digital cameras are multi-dimensional and can perceive realities that the human eye cannot.

What AI is going to run into is that its computers will probably integrate information into its data bases that humans cannot sense.

And human managers and programmers will think the AI systems are simply broken or crazy; and they'll keep fixing them until the robots mimic their human masters, stupidity and all.

It will ignore it.
It is irrelavant.
Not needed, therefore discarded.

Probably laugh and then ask for evidence.

AI will catogorize all religious text as fictional.

I can only speculate as to generalities. My thought is however, doesn't it depend on the original programing or no?

Also, if AI can recognize that "IT" was created, then it may go in search of what created, "its" creator(s). My guess is simply it wouldn't have enough data to make a conclusion either way due to its own self realization.

Last Edited by Winningjob on 07/25/2009 03:53 PM

for the sake of discussion- wouldn't AI have an innate understanding of the word creator ?Since it itself was created and has the capacity to comprehend that?
Religion i could see being discarded as illogical and human drama but the concept of a creator might not be so easily put aside.

Any AI will have to equate value to the unknown.

the artifical brain will believe in god as it has no choice.
it's been programmed to believe.

I disagree..I think it will try to run data and come up with a inconclusive data error or simply put no answer.

It will probably just keep saying "more data/more input needed" and will be at anywhere between 21% to 85% finish, but will never complete.

Last Edited by Winningjob on 07/25/2009 04:03 PM

You can write a program to be evil right from the start.

Just like any ho can have a baby and beat it and keep it in the closet from that start.

But that baby could still transcend his bitch ass momma and become a shining force of good for it's whole life.

You people are so cute with your hopefulness about technology. Personally I think Microsoft's lifespan up to now should create less hope in you, not more.

AI is a tool of Satan.

Probably just come to the same conclusion all other rational humans come to:

Can't know/Don't care.

Yep.

To a Fundie, everything is a tool of Satan.

Except for humans of course. Even though it is humans that create all evil in the world.

Everyone is looking to blame someone else for their shortfallings

you know what they say.....

garbage in..garbage out

when you think like a hammer....
everything looks like a nail...

I think Penrose is right that computers will never achieve consciousness let alone any religious insight.

The Emperor's New Mind: Concerning Computers, Minds and The Laws of Physics is a 1989 book by mathematical physicist Sir Roger Penrose.

Penrose presents the argument that human consciousness is non-algorithmic, and thus is not capable of being modeled by a conventional Turing machine-type of digital computer. Penrose hypothesizes that quantum mechanics plays an essential role in the understanding of human consciousness. The collapse of the quantum wavefunction is seen as playing an important role in brain function.

The English version of the book is 602 pages long. The majority of the book is spent reviewing, for the scientifically minded layreader, a plethora of interrelated subjects such as Newtonian physics, special and general relativity, the philosophy and limitations of mathematics, quantum physics, cosmology, and the nature of time. Penrose intermittently describes how each of these bears on his developing theme: that consciousness is not "algorithmic". Only the later portions of the book address the thesis directly. Penrose states that his ideas on the nature of consciousness are speculative.

The book does not discuss the implications of quantum computers for his theory of consciousness, as it somewhat predated developments in the field of quantum computation. Following the publication of this book, Penrose began to collaborate with Stuart Hameroff on a biological analog to quantum computation involving microtubules, which became the foundation for his subsequent book, Shadows of the Mind: A Search for the Missing Science of Consciousness.

The book attacks the claims of artificial intelligence using the physics of computing: Penrose notes that the present home of computing lies more in the tangible world of classical mechanics than in the imponderable realm of quantum mechanics. The modern computer is a deterministic system that for the most part simply executes algorithms. Penrose shows that, by reconfiguring the boundaries of a billiard table, one might make a computer in which the billiard balls act as message carriers and their interactions act as logical decisions. The Billiard-Ball Computer was first designed some years ago by Edward Fredkin and Tommaso Toffoli of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

Penrose won the Aventis prize in 1990 for this book.

lol i can jut see it,self aware EATR robots that try to get you saved before they eat you,or muslim cyborgs that blow themselfs up hoping for 70 virgins,the possabilitys are endless

Quantum mechanics can be modeled in computers too, although very inefficiently.

His billiard analogy is stupid, because any process can be reduced ad absurdium. It doesn't make it any less real though.

Philosphy doesn't solve any real problems. Hard science does.

Does penrose comment on rat brain tissue being used to create hybrid robotics with neurons from actual DNA beings?

How simple does the philosophy of a rat need to be?

Or really, how complex can the philosophy of a rat get?

No need to write some superbrain in Java or Assembler when rat brains and other brains can be stem celled and similarly wrangled into sentience.

Also, if it's just a talking box, how will you know it isn't just "The Great and Powerful Oz"? how will you know to find the curtain without little Toto and his curious nature?

They can digitally model electronic circuits in computer code in order to emulate them.

If they do a map of a human neural system, i dont see how it wont work, the problem is when does a brain actually start to function at a foetal level?

Major problem is going to be having the computer power to create an emulation of a human brain, its going to take shitloads of power.

And thinking of it this way too, it would be like hardcoding your memory into the internet, the entire internet becomes your long term memory.

Imagine how powerful that shit would be, any computer directly or indirectly connected to the internet could be controlled consciously or subconciously like you regulate heart beat or jump starjumps in your front room.

AI scares me fucking shitless.

Last Edited by HannibalTheCannibal on 07/25/2009 04:21 PM

It will descend into a looping WTF? WTF? WTF? WTF? WTF? WTF?

There is an element of transhumanism happening now anyway, we are evolving transhumanistically.

Think of the mobile phone, it is quickly becoming a wireless communication device than can access many forms of comunication, soon it will be probable that you can access any information on the internet anywhere in the world at any time, its like an extention of the human brain.

The camera and video features act like memory, and the hard memory becomes and extention of your own memory.

Think of it this way.

Imagine a disabled guy in a wheel chair who had a bad car crash 10 years ago, as a result of the car crash he has brain dammage and has very poor short term memory.

To memorize things on a day to day basis, he jots them down on a notepad as soon as it comes to him so he doesnt forget.

In essence, the notepad has become an extention of his brain, its just external to his body.

Whats the difference between somebody with actuall memory internally or externally so long as he can access it.

What happens when computers come with screens on contact lenses and earbud speakers, the human race will all be walking around connected to the entire historical record of human history at all times, tell me that shit isnt scary and amazing at the same time.

We are evolving biologically but mechanically at the same time, people already have bionic implants, false legs etc.

Something is fucking happening and it scares me, i dont think anybody realizes what the human race might become if we survive the next 200 years.

Last Edited by HannibalTheCannibal on 07/25/2009 04:29 PM

and before i forget.

ACID FEST!!!

All things are temporal except for God, even AI will be able to compute, understand and accept this as a result.
Even AI will bend it's rusty knees and bow down at his feet.

On a serious note, it really should be called sub-artificial intelligence.
We are artificial intelligences creating artificial intelligence within our artificially intelligent lives.
We are but creating another form ,lesser form of intelligence within our own artificial universe.

Because we perish and our conciousness and intelligence ceases along with our discontinuation we cannot be considered as anything but artificial.
Only that which never perishes can truly be perceived as non-artificial.
We are a substitute for the real thing.

Biddy biddy.

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