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Personally, when I go, I say get some lighter fluid, dig a ditch and have at it...


The weak economy is taking its toll, with an increasing number of bodies in Los Angeles County being cremated at taxpayers' expense.

By Molly Hennessy-Fiske
July 21, 2009


The poor economy is taking a toll even on the dead, with an increasing number of bodies in Los Angeles County going unclaimed by families who cannot afford to bury or cremate their loved ones.

At the county coroner's office -- which handles homicides and other suspicious deaths -- 36% more cremations were done at taxpayers' expense in the last fiscal year over the previous year, from 525 to 712.

The county morgue, which is responsible for the indigent and others who go unclaimed, saw a 25% increase in cremations in the first half of this year over the same period a year ago, rising to 680 from 545.

The demands on the county crematorium have been so high that earlier this year, officials there stopped accepting bodies from the coroner. The coroner's office since has contracted with two private crematories for $135,000 to handle the overflow.

"It's a pretty dramatic increase," said Lt. David Smith, a coroner's investigator. "The families just tell us flat-out they don't have the money to do a funeral."

Once the county cremates an unclaimed body -- typically about a month after death -- next of kin can pay the coroner $352 to receive the ashes. The fee for claiming ashes from the morgue is $466.

Christopher Agosta's ashes are among those waiting.

Last month, the coroner called his sister, Tarnya Baker, 41, of Amesbury, Mass., to notify her that Agosta, 43, of West Hollywood, had shot himself in the head. Although Baker was her brother's next of kin, they had not spoken since he left Massachusetts for California 15 years ago. Only after he died did she learn that he was in debt. He shot himself as sheriff's officials attempted to evict him. He left a note giving his possessions to the local AIDS clinic.

Baker said she wants to claim his ashes, but she and her husband have two children and a struggling glass-glazing business. During the last two years, they have had to lay off their two employees.

"I know that I can't afford to handle all this," Baker said. "I can't afford to fly out there and ask questions."

Coroners and funeral directors around the country say they are seeing the same trend as cash-strapped families cope with funeral costs. Just claiming a body from the L.A. County coroner costs $200. Once a body is claimed, private cremations usually run close to $1,000, Smith said. Funeral homes charge an average of $7,300 to transport and bury a body in a simple grave, according to the National Funeral Home Directors Assn.

"No one is immune from this," said Bob Achermann, executive director of the California Funeral Directors Assn. in Sacramento. "The economic malaise we're in is affecting everybody."

Coroner's investigators see the emotional and financial fallout up close.

"You go to the house where the person who died was the only breadwinner, a traffic accident, and there's the wife and you see children," Smith said. "Especially with a younger family, it blows them out of the water."

Smith said that in his dozen years at the coroner's office, he cannot remember seeing such a high number of families unable to afford the cost of claiming a body. If families ask, coroner's staff will refer them to several funeral homes, including 70-year-old Allen English & Estrada Funeral Services in Bell Gardens, which offers cremations through its Cremation Society of Los Angeles.

The society's director assistant, Joseph Harvey, said cremations have increased about 15% since the economic downturn last year. His office cremates about 400 bodies a year and charges about $700.

Harvey said the funeral industry is trying to do a better job of marketing itself in this economy. He said the casket manufacturers he deals with have stopped selling some expensive models as demand wanes.

"Families are making different choices based on the economy, choosing different caskets or urns or holding shorter services," said Jessica Koth, a spokeswoman for the National Funeral Home Directors Assn. "They're cutting back on floral memorials. If they have a funeral procession, they're not having the family limousine."

Alfredo Xochipa, 27, said he shopped around for a lower-cost casket after his 21-year-old brother, Pedro,, was shot to death at a party in Los Angeles on July 4.

Xochipa, who works for the county's Department of Public Social Services, found a metal casket at a warehouse store in Boyle Heights for $1,300, about $1,000 less than retail. Because his brother was a crime victim, Xochipa said, the coroner's office waived its $200 fee. A week after his brother was killed, the family held a funeral and buried Pedro at Resurrection Cemetery in Montebello.

[link to www.latimes.com]
Well it seems so real I can see it
And it seems so real I can feel it
And it seems so real I can taste it
And it seems so real I can hear it
So why can't I touch it?
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Wow..
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Illegal aliens' families are in other countries.

There should be cheaper funerals, imo. There is the green funeral where one is buried unembalmed in a pine box or wicker basket. There should be more of these.

Funeral homes have a monopoly legislated racket.
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Illegal aliens' families are in other countries.

There should be cheaper funerals, imo. There is the green funeral where one is buried unembalmed in a pine box or wicker basket. There should be more of these.

Funeral homes have a monopoly legislated racket.
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And somehow, they are more expensive...
Well it seems so real I can see it
And it seems so real I can feel it
And it seems so real I can taste it
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So why can't I touch it?
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who knows what really happens to dead bodies. the truth about this might be surprising.
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sobering thoughts..and why it costs so doggone much to transport a body is beyond me, and why not make affordable caskets from recycled material or wicker?
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who knows what really happens to dead bodies. the truth about this might be surprising.
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McRib?
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lol a viking funeral
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I told my wife to just stuff some sausages up my azz and let the dogs drag me down the street when I die......
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Deaths and Mortality

(Data are for the U.S.)

[link to www.cdc.gov]

* Number of deaths: 2,426,264
* Death rate: 810.4 deaths per 100,000 population
* Life expectancy: 77. 7years
* Infant Mortality rate: 6.69 deaths per 1,000 live births

Number of deaths for leading causes of death:

* Heart disease: 631,636
* Cancer: 559,888
* Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 137,119
* Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 124,583
* Accidents (unintentional injuries): 121,599
* Diabetes: 72,449
* Alzheimer's disease: 72,432
* Influenza and Pneumonia: 56,326
* Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 45,344
* Septicemia: 34,234


2 426 264 / 365 = 6 647.29863


Kinda puts it in perspective
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why not be buried in a fema casket made of hard plastic tupperware?
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How much does it cost to cremate?
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A tragic time we live in. :(
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There's a fee for claiming ashes.
I had no idea.
Thanks.
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I lost someone close to me last week. The cost was somewhere around 7,000.
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who knows what really happens to dead bodies. the truth about this might be surprising.


McRib?
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lmao
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Looks like the old shovel and ditch trend may be making a come back.
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I kind of find it weird that it cost so much to die... can you believe what this world has turned into. Someone makes a sh'load of money off of someone else's death.
Then when you go into a funeral home to make the arrangements they take advantage of your state of mind and try to upsell you something that you don't need making comments like you don't want your loved one getting wet or some bull shit along that line.
I am thinking..yes...I want my loved one to get wet and have bugs in the tomb because I don't want them turning to some unnatural slimy shit.
Anyhow...I bet these family members just feel terrible that they can't bury their loved ones.
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Donny was a good bowler.
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Personally, when I go, I say get some lighter fluid, dig a ditch and have at it...
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Same here, honestly.
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bring out your dead!
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Make your own coffin ahead of time. Artzy Fartzy or plain.
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A simple cremation is not that expensive.
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how much is a match and lighter fual
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A simple cremation is not that expensive.
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It's still a lot more than people can afford. There's a shipping fee and/or a "scattering" fee on top of the actual cremation.
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And it seems so real I can taste it
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So why can't I touch it?
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I could not bring myself you burn you guys.
How about I keep everyone at my attic alright.
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I can make a nice pine coffin for about $400.00, with a nice external finish and decent hardware on the outside.

For an extra $100.00 I can finish the inside with a nice looking material.

Figure about $200.00 to $300.00 for shipping in the continental U.S.

So about $700.00 to $800.00 dollars.

Can anyone work out the burial places for cheaper than what is currently offered?

*Yes, it is legal to use an "unsanctioned" coffin in most places.

The sanctioning that funeral homes work with is the "agreement" with the coffin manufacturers to ONLY use their specific brand! (There are two major manufacturers in the U.S. with a virtual monopoly...)

So, before someone tries to tell you it's illegal, look it up! They are most likely repeating what they were told by the funeral home or are working for one themselves.

I bet we can do it in a more cost effective manner if a few of us will just work together.

**I don't make coffins for a living or anything, I am just ABLE to and willing to do so if it will help people. Anyone else willing to pitch in?
And all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "save us!"

And I'll look down and whisper "No."
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I could not bring myself you burn you guys.
How about I keep everyone at my attic alright.
 Quoting: A_Leopard_Sanctuary


And dress us up? Make sure you get some kind of desiccant and a dehumidifier so we don't start to stink.

On holiday's and special occasions, you can bring us down and sit us all around the table and have a tea party!!!!
Well it seems so real I can see it
And it seems so real I can feel it
And it seems so real I can taste it
And it seems so real I can hear it
So why can't I touch it?
So why can't I touch it?


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I dont know if this is legal or not, but this is what I WANT...my dying wishes.

When I die, I do NOT want a funeral, if anyone must have something, please let it be just a simple memorial service.

I want 6 bales of straw laid out, 2 rows, 3 in each row to make a bed. If straw isn't available (cheapest), then hay is fine. Then lay me on the bed, and light it on fire. Add fuel to the fire until all remains are burnt up. Then take my ashes to WY, to the top of the ravine that runs through the Big Horn Mountains, and let them go or bury them.

Ashes to ashes, dust to dust...I go from whence I came, but my spirit/soul shall live forever.
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It really is a sad state of affairs when the death industry makes a killing off the living, and when the living cannot even afford to tend to their dead.

Btw, that was nice of the offer to the poster who offered to make a nice pine box at reasonable costs. Kudos.





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