Another Black Hills Travesty

Better to expect nothing and rely on ourselves while demanding what we have a right to-he as well as everyone in Washington are aware of the conditions-it is and always has been a matter of priorities and conscience-the reality is we are not nor have we ever been a priority with the exception of when they had to fight us- and matters of conscience are measured by perceived political gain and theatrical value.

I'm hearing why nots

Maybe in a position of servitude-does your question imply that the U.S. is the lesser of the two evils-or that it is some kind of benevolent dictator?

Last my friend

The hardest thing a person can do is change in the face of change

My own quote

You're hearing the unadulterated truth from one who has lived it and is the the progeny of those who survived the first and subsequent waves of assault.

Changed to be effective is a two way street. Einstein said a problem cannot be solved in the same state of conciousness in which it was created. This mess isn't of our creation.

But the soul is more powerful than what Einstein think of the human brain which dies but never the soul

I think from within

A captive nations soul is captive as well-were that not true no prisoner would die in any gulag from loneliness, isolation and depression. No beaten down abused person would succumb to alcohol or drug abuse-if it were only a matter of the soul all would be free everywhere. We believe we live this one life and it is enough and a gift if we live as a free people as was intended. That is what warrants the right to be free and unoppressed-we are here once and NO one has the right to deny us the full benefit of our gift.

Get on with things for yourself.

No one's gonna give you or I shit.

Amen to that and we have no expectation of anyone giving us a single thing-what this is about is refusing to be run over anymore and not allowing a liar to tell us one thing and then have no accountability. Doesn't work for us or you and we see no reason to allow it to work for anyone else.
The next time you are offended or abused let me know if getting on with things for yourself worked out.

That's a wrap for me folks-have to get up and pound nails
this morning-I want to express my appreciation for everyone's input here and for the fact that we had a long and varied conversation devoid of the usual name calling and profanity laced rantings-an anomaly on this site it seems.
Anyone leaving a response will be answered later in this day-thanks again and stay strong.

Yeah-well be careful it breeding season for them

Been there many times.

Sorry I missed your question until now. German is my heritage,we came here in the 1620s. I actually grew up in Oklahoma and had/have many great Indian friends from the Chickasaw,Creeks,Osage and of course the Cherokee. All are on their respective tribal rolls. It was strange when we 1st moved to Texas, there are vitually no Indians down here,strange and sad.

Let me ask you a question now..what part of the country are you from? And since I mentioned Oklahoma how do you feel how things are done there ie the tribes actually have their own nation and not a reservation.

Great thread btw

So, if the Lakota are given back the Black Hills taken by the wasichu are they (Lakota Sioux) going to give those lands back to the Cheyenne people, who in turn will relinquish it to the Kiowa nation?

I rather doubt it and to date have heard no inter tribal claim for reparations-perhaps because there is a greater unity now in the face of a shared deprivation and common adversary.

It is better than the alternative but when you factor in the Jerome Treaty and the land grab that it was plus the land rush of 1906 where even more land was stolen it hardly seems equitable.
Texas it seems is almost an "Indian free zone" despite the fact that we once ruled there and it is considered an ancestral home of sorts-the Staked Plains area.
I was born and raised in Montana and wouldn't trade it for the world. And have numerous relatives scattered about the country due to inter tribal marriages and though when we assemble we often joke about our various backgrounds it is a source of great pride for all of us. Have a brother who lived in Okla but he is in Canada now-married a Metis gal and preferred her country.
1620 huh-seeking religious freedom or just a new start?
Have you seen the Peltier thread posted by Lotus and if so what are your thoughts on that- maybe better if you do to leave your thoughts on it-I'll check it later.

Thank-You for this thread. We need to leave this area alone. This project sounds like a financial boondogle. We can't afford this financially or morally.
Havn't seen the Peltier thread yet I will look for it.

Thank you moge for having a look-had to laugh at your avatar, thank you for that as well I needed a good laugh.

If by her and she you are referring to Arvol watch yourself when in Arvol's presence as he is a man.

good luck with that one...just saying

Appreciate your checking the thread out-if there was a such a conflict between differing nations it should, in the name of alleged sovereignty, be settled between the claimants-independent of outside intervention - and agreed not much chance of that happening.
But the reality is that I have never heard of any such grievance being advanced between the nations-so it is a moot point.

all of the earth belongs to god anyway.

Which makes us all tenants in a matter of speaking-the rent if you will is the respect, care and protection of our homes.
Even man's law recognizes home invasion as a crime and an implied ownership where you reside.
If you are a Christian there are numerous instances in the Bible where God speaks of giving a land to people, advising at times to take the land-that implies a degree of ownership wouldn't you say?
It was the very distortion and perversion of such accounts that lead to the Papal Bull of Inter Cetera and the even more heinous Doctrine of Manifest Destiny.
This ownership issue is one that we can debate endlessly but we believe this land was created for and given to us by the Creator to reside in and care for. Philosophical discussions aside that is our belief, fully cognizant that ultimately in the end we are tenants, but also the landlords.
If your earthly father owned land and usurpers attempted to steal it would you in fact defend it and by extension defend your assertion to the familial claim?
I think you would, rather than saying it all belongs to God and letting it go at that. If not then take no offense if anything is ever stolen from you because ultimately it all belongs to God-nothing is yours. Either by purchase,
earning, gift, birthright,labor,defense,blood,sweat or tears.
I understand what you are saying and appreciate your input. The point I make is that we live in a physical realm subject to all the greed, folly and avarice that is so apparent as part and parcel of the so called human condition.