Another Black Hills Travesty | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 699600 United States 06/24/2009 10:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 100% First Nations-Kiowa and Comanche------Sacagawega, interesting-we have a legend of her leaving her husband Charbonneau and residing among us for years-and there seems to be some evidence to support that-but then there are three burial sites strewn across the country claiming to be her resting place. Quoting: first nations sonNCAI-then you must be familiar with Arvol Looking Horse and the official NCAI position paper on indigenous ceremonies and the need to protect them. I'll ask her, she will be at my sundance at Turtle Mt. with a lineage of Holy men and Holy Women, I am very familiar with ceremony, as you know Paha Sapa is sacred to more than the Lakota, and there are more than 1 way to win battles, |
first nations son
(OP) User ID: 708247 United States 06/24/2009 10:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I live on fully treed acreage with bears cougar bobcat many birds song eagle hawk owls turkey and then deer big horn sheep pass through plants grasses weeds wild flower mushroom bushes many kinds of insects Quoting: Free StoreThe land has value for development as said by the developers but i said Im not selling I was quoted biga bucks So trust me I know what your plight is and wish the best for YOU the people In BC same thing and I guess everywhere...in Brazil also Bottom line is the establishment has to start showing respect despite the many excuses toward Native People Northeastern B.C. First Nation moves to block new gold and copper mine [link to www.cbc.ca] Stay strong and stand your ground even it's only with a stone in your hand. I have an earlier post regarding the A?H1N1 outbreak among first nations on your side of the imaginary line-take a peek and pass on whatever info you may have-appreciate it-below is the title of the post. A/H1N1-disease and indigenous people Our land is everything to us...I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." John Woodenleg-Cheyenne "The ground on which we stand is sacred ground. It is the blood of our ancestors." - Chief Plenty Coups, Crow |
first nations son
(OP) User ID: 708247 United States 06/24/2009 10:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 100% First Nations-Kiowa and Comanche------Sacagawega, interesting-we have a legend of her leaving her husband Charbonneau and residing among us for years-and there seems to be some evidence to support that-but then there are three burial sites strewn across the country claiming to be her resting place. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 699600NCAI-then you must be familiar with Arvol Looking Horse and the official NCAI position paper on indigenous ceremonies and the need to protect them. I'll ask her, she will be at my sundance at Turtle Mt. with a lineage of Holy men and Holy Women, I am very familiar with ceremony, as you know Paha Sapa is sacred to more than the Lakota, and there are more than 1 way to win battles, fair enough and thank you Our land is everything to us...I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." John Woodenleg-Cheyenne "The ground on which we stand is sacred ground. It is the blood of our ancestors." - Chief Plenty Coups, Crow |
Free Store
User ID: 162186 Canada 06/24/2009 10:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
first nations son
(OP) User ID: 708247 United States 06/24/2009 10:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes I read it earlier and seems to hit the first nation harder than the rest of this side of the imaginary line [I love that quote] Quoting: Free StoreAnyways I'll be watching for improvements as the rest here Thanks again and would appreciate it if you do hear anything that you would start a thread if you're comfortable with that. Sometimes it is easier to pull teeth than get information Our land is everything to us...I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." John Woodenleg-Cheyenne "The ground on which we stand is sacred ground. It is the blood of our ancestors." - Chief Plenty Coups, Crow |
first nations son
(OP) User ID: 708247 United States 06/24/2009 10:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I see that you rode by-heard the rustle of leaves-thanks for the look in. Our land is everything to us...I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." John Woodenleg-Cheyenne "The ground on which we stand is sacred ground. It is the blood of our ancestors." - Chief Plenty Coups, Crow |
Free Store
User ID: 162186 Canada 06/24/2009 11:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
hoot no more/hasheater User ID: 711050 Switzerland 06/24/2009 11:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Black Hills in South Dakota, ceded by the Treaty of Fort Laramie in 1868 to the Lakota Nation, and long held by them to be sacred, is now destined to become a research site for investigating dark matter. Quoting: mathetesThis will be accomplished by the expansion of underground shafts from a previous mining venture and will be the deepest underground research facility in the world. This treaty was almost immediately violated due to yet another financial crisis in the U.S. (and the discovery of gold in the Black Hills) under the auspices of then President Grant. And miners and settlers poured in leading to war between the Lakota and the military resulting in the further violation of this treaty with the government seizing all of the Black Hills land. Over a century later the U.S. government won an appeal on June 30th of 1980 against an earlier decision that demanded reparations. This victory for the U.S. allowed the government to pay 17.5 million as the market value of the land AT THE TIME of seizure, plus 5% interest-which amounted to a total of 105 million. This despite the flagrant treaty violations, illegal seizure of the land and the billions of dollars in mineral wealth extracted. Little of this has garnered any real public awareness or for that matter interest or concern.The Black Hills are deemed a sacred site of great importance and this latest intrusion is akin to the Government announcing they intend to excavate Arlington or the Gettysburg Battlefield so some scientists can have a new toy and look for a "suspected" energy force. In the never ending quest and charge counter charge on this site for conspiracies and Governmental misconduct I would think that the time would be better spent by addressing what is overtly, undeniably true and requires no speculation, no anonymous sources, no carefully crafted video "evidence" or questionable "experts". This is an outrage and should be a matter of importance to all who are aware of it regardless of their affiliations. That is unless the individual is only selectively concerned about what lies and crimes their government commits. Who knows maybe this is a cover story for a new Area 51 or a sanctuary for the NWO. However you wish to construe it speak out. Hey the US did break its treaty and the Lakota should be either given the land back or a settlement...BUT the Lakota stole the Black hills from the Crow, Kiowa and Pawnee The Lakota arrived from Minnesota in the eighteenth century and drove out the other tribes, claiming the land, which they called HeSapa, Black Mountains Yep it started with the damned Dutch in New Amsterdam arming the Mohawks in 1648. They went warring west stealing beaver pelts and killing the other tribes. Drove the Ottawa out of Canada into Michigan where the Ottawa drove the Fox and Mascotens into Wisconsin/Minnesota where they drove the Lakota out onto the Plains. |
first nations son
(OP) User ID: 708247 United States 06/24/2009 11:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yep it started with the damned Dutch in New Amsterdam arming the Mohawks in 1648. They went warring west stealing beaver pelts and killing the other tribes. Drove the Ottawa out of Canada into Michigan where the Ottawa drove the Fox and Mascotens into Wisconsin/Minnesota where they drove the Lakota out onto the Plains. ------------------------------------------------------------- The Dutch you say-well that tears it, no more Mr. Nice Guy. Kinda supports the domino theory huh? Can't say too much though-it took an alliance of four tribes to run us out of the plains and then we headed South to the Staked Plains In Texas and whipped everybody we encountered along the way. Once in Texas we ran the Spanish out made the Apaches head west-beat up on the Kiowas and then formed an alliance with them-their name for us translates-he who wants to fight me all the time. Proceeded to make believers out of the Mexicans and became the premiere horse breeders and traders and had the greatest herds ever amassed- tribes from as far away as the Dakotas. Montana, Wyoming etc. came to trade for our horses. The fall began with introduced disease and from there it was a downhill slide to subjugation and reservation life. Our land is everything to us...I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." John Woodenleg-Cheyenne "The ground on which we stand is sacred ground. It is the blood of our ancestors." - Chief Plenty Coups, Crow |
first nations son
(OP) User ID: 708247 United States 06/24/2009 11:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I get the feeling we are getting stronger everyday encased in despair Quoting: Free Storemy grandfather told me once that wherever I went when I left there to be sure they knew a man had been there- by that he didn't mean a tough guy-he meant someone who did what was right and and always tended to the care and welfare of his people- that is our role-we are meant to be protectors in as much as our ability allows. Do that and you will be strong and more of a man than many around you and don't allow them even the little victory of despair-you are the descendant of a race of giants and no one can ever take that from you or minimize it but yourself. Everything else can be taken-the land,your life, your rights, your dignity-but not that and therein lies your strength-your heritage. Call upon it. Our land is everything to us...I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." John Woodenleg-Cheyenne "The ground on which we stand is sacred ground. It is the blood of our ancestors." - Chief Plenty Coups, Crow |
Tann3100
User ID: 711085 India 06/24/2009 11:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How are you doing First Nations Son? You know sense when has the US government ever done anything right by the Native Americans? From illegal adoptions to stealing of land and violations of more treaties than we can count and they still continue on. One thing about it messing with sacred land they might be in for a surprise we can fight a battle unseen. May the Great Spirit Bless you Take Care Tann |
mathetes
User ID: 514914 United States 06/24/2009 11:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hey the US did break its treaty and the Lakota should be either given the land back or a settlement...BUT the Lakota stole the Black hills from the Crow, Kiowa and Pawnee Quoting: hoot no more/hasheater 711050The Lakota arrived from Minnesota in the eighteenth century and drove out the other tribes, claiming the land, which they called HeSapa, Black Mountains Yep it started with the damned Dutch in New Amsterdam arming the Mohawks in 1648. They went warring west stealing beaver pelts and killing the other tribes. Drove the Ottawa out of Canada into Michigan where the Ottawa drove the Fox and Mascotens into Wisconsin/Minnesota where they drove the Lakota out onto the Plains. Don't kid yourself,Native Americans were killing & robbing eath other long before the white man came along. Its the nature of man For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. |
first nations son
(OP) User ID: 708247 United States 06/24/2009 11:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How are you doing First Nations Son? You know sense when has the US government ever done anything right by the Native Americans? From illegal adoptions to stealing of land and violations of more treaties than we can count and they still continue on. One thing about it messing with sacred land they might be in for a surprise we can fight a battle unseen. May the Great Spirit Bless you Take Care Tann Well, word up as they say in the hood Tann. Making plans to head that way this weekend and commiserate- the waters are being roiled at Akewasanee as well_ I have friends there who are keeping me posted-could get ugly I'm thinking. May put something up about that later as well. This is a time for prayer and a request of Creator for a display of who he is. Arrogance and ignorance, the two sides of the governmental coin. Stay strong and vocal my friend. Our land is everything to us...I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." John Woodenleg-Cheyenne "The ground on which we stand is sacred ground. It is the blood of our ancestors." - Chief Plenty Coups, Crow |
first nations son
(OP) User ID: 708247 United States 06/25/2009 12:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hey the US did break its treaty and the Lakota should be either given the land back or a settlement...BUT the Lakota stole the Black hills from the Crow, Kiowa and Pawnee Quoting: mathetesThe Lakota arrived from Minnesota in the eighteenth century and drove out the other tribes, claiming the land, which they called HeSapa, Black Mountains Yep it started with the damned Dutch in New Amsterdam arming the Mohawks in 1648. They went warring west stealing beaver pelts and killing the other tribes. Drove the Ottawa out of Canada into Michigan where the Ottawa drove the Fox and Mascotens into Wisconsin/Minnesota where they drove the Lakota out onto the Plains. Don't kid yourself,Native Americans were killing & robbing eath other long before the white man came along. Its the nature of man A misnomer-there were no Americans here-only us.We hadn't been "discovered or "adopted" into the family yet. Just curious if you don't mind my asking-what is your heritage? Our land is everything to us...I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." John Woodenleg-Cheyenne "The ground on which we stand is sacred ground. It is the blood of our ancestors." - Chief Plenty Coups, Crow |
Andromeda
User ID: 708515 United States 06/25/2009 12:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 710941 United States 06/25/2009 12:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Free Store
User ID: 162186 Canada 06/25/2009 12:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I get the feeling we are getting stronger everyday encased in despair Quoting: first nations sonmy grandfather told me once that wherever I went when I left there to be sure they knew a man had been there- by that he didn't mean a tough guy-he meant someone who did what was right and and always tended to the care and welfare of his people- that is our role-we are meant to be protectors in as much as our ability allows. Do that and you will be strong and more of a man than many around you and don't allow them even the little victory of despair-you are the descendant of a race of giants and no one can ever take that from you or minimize it but yourself. Everything else can be taken-the land,your life, your rights, your dignity-but not that and therein lies your strength-your heritage. Call upon it. Yes Yes a linage back to the Giants when they were on N/ S Americas The big broad bone structure also in middle eastern people Turks Iraqis The white people are altered apes for the most part some Giant genes in them It just shows how little respect for other natural cultures them being far from there roots of cave dwellers and nothing learned in between the time in Africa were it began and now But as you see now the house of cards is taking a nose dive as those natural cultures were predicting in lore and myth Fool with nature and get your belly slapped Glad to hear Grandfathers story |
first nations son
(OP) User ID: 708247 United States 06/25/2009 12:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks OP. A lot of interesting read here. Quoting: AndromedaThank you Andromeda-I hope you found something of value here Our land is everything to us...I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." John Woodenleg-Cheyenne "The ground on which we stand is sacred ground. It is the blood of our ancestors." - Chief Plenty Coups, Crow |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 710941 United States 06/25/2009 12:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What no one really much ever seems to consider in all the various little related arguments is that if the North American continent wasn't possessed by the advancing culture of the White Europeans it would not have remained and still be some Native American Indian Peaceful Utopian Shrangi-La The native tribes, who themselves only crossed over from the other way not too very long before would have been warring among themselves in rival tribes as they always had been doing themselves also as people are people or would have been overtaken by another culture be it Chinese or Spanish/Mexican/Indian Human history is cultures taking over each other. All of us. Every people. Every race. Humans. All of history. There was no one and only right way or time but whatever happens to be current. |
first nations son
(OP) User ID: 708247 United States 06/25/2009 12:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Angelseverywhere- I was just reading through the responses again and was struck by this part of your statement-particularly the last "but just slow enough so no one won't really notice" -a profound and meaningful insight-very perceptive of you and food for thought -thank you again. This just makes me very sad...everything seems to be slipping away...piece by piece...but just slow enough so no one wont really notice. Our land is everything to us...I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." John Woodenleg-Cheyenne "The ground on which we stand is sacred ground. It is the blood of our ancestors." - Chief Plenty Coups, Crow |
Free Store
User ID: 162186 Canada 06/25/2009 12:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
first nations son
(OP) User ID: 708247 United States 06/25/2009 12:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What no one really much ever seems to consider Quoting: Anonymous Coward 710941in all the various little related arguments is that if the North American continent wasn't possessed by the advancing culture of the White Europeans it would not have remained and still be some Native American Indian Peaceful Utopian Shrangi-La The native tribes, who themselves only crossed over from the other way not too very long before would have been warring among themselves in rival tribes as they always had been doing themselves also as people are people or would have been overtaken by another culture be it Chinese or Spanish/Mexican/Indian Human history is cultures taking over each other. All of us. Every people. Every race. Humans. All of history. There was no one and only right way or time but whatever happens to be current. And the history of humankind is a sad one indeed-Shangra-la? Doubtful, Not always peaceful and at times a marginal existence, but undeniably better than now. The potential hypotheticals you mention re the Chinese, the Spanish etc are endless-because they are just that hypothetical. In that world it is possible we would have risen to be a mighty power and global force-wishful thinking I imagine. We, none of us, lives in a world of what if's or maybes and are obliged to contend with the circumstance we find ourselves in. Maybe not to our liking or fair for that matter but it is reality and must be met head on. Our land is everything to us...I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." John Woodenleg-Cheyenne "The ground on which we stand is sacred ground. It is the blood of our ancestors." - Chief Plenty Coups, Crow |
first nations son
(OP) User ID: 708247 United States 06/25/2009 01:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I hope you have the highest support Quoting: Free StoreDid you try Obama's office? He is not of the old guard even Fidel likes Him Another "story" if I may-a friends grandmother, an elder once said-" if you want to live in their house (the Whitehouse) you must behave like them"-that's where he lives and has illustrated already that he behaves like them. Prior to the election he visited Crow Agency in Montana bemoaning the treatment and abuses heaped on indigenous people-made a lot of promises and so far has reneged on every one of them. He has even qualified about faces from campaign statements by referring to them as merely being "campaign rhetoric" -that advances the element of arrogance to new levels. Some groups of indigenous people "invited" to the inauguration wound up being snubbed on arrival and shuffled off to remote seating. I can only assume by this that more attended than were needed for the photo ops. I think we can expect the usual and we have learned that to expect anything from Washington is a vain hope. Last Edited by first nations son on 06/25/2009 01:05 AM Our land is everything to us...I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." John Woodenleg-Cheyenne "The ground on which we stand is sacred ground. It is the blood of our ancestors." - Chief Plenty Coups, Crow |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 710941 United States 06/25/2009 01:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
first nations son
(OP) User ID: 708247 United States 06/25/2009 01:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What is it that you really expect? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 710941That's another part of the problem. Should I also be relying on expectations, demands and wishful thinking? What do we do with today? We live it remembering who we are and where we came from and we expect what was promised in the treaties and never back off of that. Our land is everything to us...I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." John Woodenleg-Cheyenne "The ground on which we stand is sacred ground. It is the blood of our ancestors." - Chief Plenty Coups, Crow |
Free Store
User ID: 162186 Canada 06/25/2009 01:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Free Store
User ID: 162186 Canada 06/25/2009 01:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 710941 United States 06/25/2009 02:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What is it that you really expect? Quoting: first nations sonThat's another part of the problem. Should I also be relying on expectations, demands and wishful thinking? What do we do with today? We live it remembering who we are and where we came from and we expect what was promised in the treaties and never back off of that. Our government is honest? Enword please. |
first nations son (OP) User ID: 708247 United States 06/25/2009 02:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What is it that you really expect? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 710941That's another part of the problem. Should I also be relying on expectations, demands and wishful thinking? What do we do with today? We live it remembering who we are and where we came from and we expect what was promised in the treaties and never back off of that. Our government is honest? Enword please. Everything I have written has spoken to the deception and dishonesty of the government- we have the right of expectation-whether those expectations are realized is another story-what is required of us is that we don't submit or accept by silence. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 711168 United States 06/25/2009 02:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |