Another Black Hills Travesty

how goes the Lakota Republic?

Struggling to survive on one of the most poverty stricken rez's in the nation. I am not Lakota-I am Kiowa/Comanche-but a new breed is rising now-one of unity that has no place for tribalism and a recognition that what is done to any of us is done to all of us. History has taught us that and it is a lesson we have learned all too well.
If you have an interest take a look at what is going on with the Mohawk at Akwesanee. A joint Canadian-US venture.
This after Canada recently apologized for abuses and pledges to right the wrongs and work toward a better understanding.
The best the US could do was just a few days ago issue an apology to African Americans for slavery with an almost empty Senate. A given with the new president.
Personally I could care less for a meaningless apology or reparations-I want the original treaties honored, the lands they specified returned and to be recognized and accorded all the respect given as Sovereign Nations.
Slavery-well documented and undeniable- began in this country with the arrival of Columbus-an apparent side note in history too few are aware of or care about.

Indeed a travesty!

Wish them well if they go ahead and dig, underground is not the place where you want to be


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Funny, I had a similar thought, but it wasn't in relation to being underground... More something along the lines of tampering with sacred ground. There are reasons places come to be known as sacred, it is never just an arbitrary decision someone made.
They may well experience all sorts of unexpected setbacks in doing this thing.

Hey the US did break its treaty and the Lakota should be either given the land back or a settlement...BUT the Lakota stole the Black hills from the Crow, Kiowa and Pawnee

The Lakota arrived from Minnesota in the eighteenth century and drove out the other tribes, claiming the land, which they called HeSapa, Black Mountains

Appreciate the bump and input Southernlight-hopefully will be heading that way this weekend-will post updates as to the situation while I'm there.

Hey the US did break its treaty and the Lakota should be either given the land back or a settlement...BUT the Lakota stole the Black hills from the Crow, Kiowa and Pawnee

The Lakota arrived from Minnesota in the eighteenth century and drove out the other tribes, claiming the land, which they called HeSapa, Black Mountains
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If there is a conflict of ownership between the principals you mention above it is between them and independent of the U.S., and I think it would be news to all parties. The common denominator here is the U.S.-not past inter-tribal conflicts.
Do you support a returning of the land to all nations including the Hawaiians or just the Lakota? A moot question actually as it will never happen.

The Black Hills are one of the oldest pieces of ground to surface after the flood, Turtle Island is owned by no man white or red, She will be here long after we are nothing but memories, Sacred??, You have no IDEA AHO!

As Tecumseh said All of America belongs to all Indians. I have no problem if someone said All Europe belongs to all Europeans either. Nationalities do not count as much as the same culture that all Indians and Europeans share.

It is time to learn that the RED ROAD has been replaced by The Rainbow Road, and that we are all brothers and sisters sharing this space in time.

for more understanding

um hmmm exactly SouthernLight.

I am at a loss for words with this thread.

I have seen similar stuff like this around my area on the reservations.

Govt. always trying to get a piece ya know?

I better shut up now.

Thank you for posting this OP!

why?


this is all very interesting

Not owned-created for and given into trust-that makes First Nations people the stewards and lone rightful occupants.

[link to www.sanfordundergroundlaboratoryathomestake.org]

First Homestake mine water pumped PDF Print E-mail
Tuesday, 18 March 2008 12:20

Dr. Jose Alonso punches a button to pump the first water extracted from the Homestake gold mine since 2003. Alonso is leading the project to build the Sanford Underground Science and Engineering Laboratory at Homestake.


Sanford Underground Laboratory at Homestake
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LEAD - With the push of a button, mining technicians and engineers took a big step Friday morning toward converting the Homestake gold mine into an underground laboratory for science.

"At 10:18 a.m. we pumped the first water out of the mine," Sanford Underground Science and Engineering Laboratory director Dr. Jose Alonso said. Dr. Alonso made the announcement to the South Dakota Science and Technology Authority Board, which is meeting in Lead today (Friday). Minutes before, Dr. Alonso had been 1,250 feet underground in the Homestake mine, in a large, mined-out cavern, where he pushed a button that fired up a 700 horsepower electric motor, sending water to the surface.

The water was from a 300,000-gallon underground sump, but there was only a small amount of water in the sump. At 1,750 gallons a minute, the pump emptied it in five minutes.

Still, Dr. Alonso called it a milestone. "This was the most important button I've ever pushed in my life," he told the SDSTA Board.

Mining stopped at Homestake in 2001, and the mine, which is 8,000 feet deep, has been slowly filling with water since it was sealed shut in 2003 The water has risen to a level about 4,850 feet underground, where the science authority will build the Sanford Underground Laboratory. The Sanford Lab, in turn, will help demonstrate Homestake's feasibility for a national Deep Underground Science and Engineering Laboratory ("DUSEL").

Last year the National Science Foundation picked Homestake as the preferred site for a DUSEL, and a team of scientists received a $15 million grant to develop that proposal.

Dr. Kevin Lesko, the physicist from the University of California at Berkeley who is leading that team, said starting the pumping would be good news in the science community. "It's fantastic," he said. About 200 scientists from around the world are meeting in Lead from April 221through April 26 to discuss the first experiments at a Homestake DUSEL, and Lesko said they'll be able to see the progress firsthand.

The Sanford Lab at the 4850 level is a South Dakota-led project that could lead to underground experiments as soon as next year. The South Dakota Legislature approved $43 million for the la, and Sioux Falls philanthropist T. Denny Sanford donated $70 million to the project. The state also is using a $10 million federal grant to re-open the mine.

Greg King, director of operations for the Sanford Laboratory and a 30-year Homestake mine veteran, said today's test validated months of work. "When we started this enterprise last year the question was, can we re-enter the mine safely and pump water," he said. "This is one of the first proofs we can do that."

The next step will be to install and start the pump at the 2450 Level, where millions of gallons of water await. Dr. Alonso said that pumping could begin in early April. "This is excellent news," he said. Dr. Alonso said a pump and a 700 horsepower electric motor to power it had already been delivered to the 2450 Level. More than 3 million gallons of water are stored at the 2450 and 2600 Levels, so when that pump is turned on, water will begin flowing from the mine at a high rate.

The first water pumped from the mine in quantity will be stored in concrete reservoirs near the Yates shaft. From there it will be piped to the SDSTA's water treatment plant. The South Dakota Department of Water and Natural Resources has tested the mine water, which is not acidic and which is free of most other pollutants. The water likely will not have to be treated, but it will be filtered to remove suspended solids.

Photo credits: Bill Harlan/South Dakota Science and Technology Authority


Dr. Jose Alonso punches a button to pump the first water extracted from the Homestake gold mine since 2003. Alonso is leading the project to build the Sanford Underground Science and Engineering Laboratory at Homestake.



Greg King, director of operations for the Sanford Laboratory at Homestake, opens a gate valve 1,250 feet underground, in preparation for the first underground pumping since the mine was sealed shut in 2003.


There was a small, brief celebration 1,250 feet underground in the Homestake gold mine, after the first water was pumped from the mine since June 30, 2003. Left to right. Dr. Jose Alonso, director of the Sanford Underground Laboratory at Homestake; Lynn Spiry, a mechanic with Dynatec, the contractor re-opening the mine; James Gregory, a Dynatec electrician; Jim Tombrink, a sales engineer for Sulzer Pumps Inc., the company that rebuilt the pumps that will empty the mine of water.

Time to grow up son and PDQ

I think what we've learned is that the latest invasion is New Age appropriation and cultural vacuuming. A cultural grave robbing if you will.

More aptly time to stand up when you view the mess of things that has been made by the "ruling class".

New Age, well yes it is a new age, don't you think it is time to join it, after all the past is a very difficult place to reside. And yes,I am Awatixa, Tiska clan, We are the people of the willows and to survive you must learn to be like them or suffer the fate of the mighty oak in the winds of change.

OP, do you have current information on how the argument before the Supreme Court is going on the Hawaiian case? Last report I had said it would be heard in February, but I cannot find updates.

Oh yeah after reading that article above...Like I said always trying to get a piece and they wont stop until they get all of it.

What are treaty's for exactly?? when no one stands by them??

I agree with you op you are the "guardians" so to speak. Like you said the stewards.

This just makes me very sad...everything seems to be slipping away...piece by piece...but just slow enough so no one wont really notice.

Right-and how New Agey your metaphor-and so you claim your heritage from the Hidatsa and Mandan?-just out of curiosity what percentage are you? Is that the winds of change or did you mean assimilation?

Thank you Angelseverywhere

AC the supreme court has kicked it back to the Hawaiian supreme court-a mixed blessing perhaps-difficult to call.

Awatixa is Hidatsa, brother was 2 term NCAI President,2 terms Tribal chairman, Grand Father , Tribal chairman, Great Great Grandson of Sacagawega, what per cent is your Spirit,

100% First Nations-Kiowa and Comanche------Sacagawega, interesting-we have a legend of her leaving her husband Charbonneau and residing among us for years-and there seems to be some evidence to support that-but then there are three burial sites strewn across the country claiming to be her resting place.
NCAI-then you must be familiar with Arvol Looking Horse and the official NCAI position paper on indigenous ceremonies and the need to protect them.

I live on fully treed acreage with bears cougar bobcat many birds song eagle hawk owls turkey and then deer big horn sheep pass through plants grasses weeds wild flower mushroom bushes many kinds of insects


The land has value for development as said by the developers but i said Im not selling I was quoted biga bucks


So trust me I know what your plight is and wish the best for YOU the people

In BC same thing and I guess everywhere...in Brazil also

Bottom line is the establishment has to start showing respect despite the many excuses toward Native People

Northeastern B.C. First Nation moves to block new gold and copper mine
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