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User ID: 689250 Canada 06/05/2009 09:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ahmadinejad goes nutz in election debate - violates constitution - earns smackdown from top Mullah IRAN: AHMADINEJAD HAS ONE QUIP TOO MANY, PROMPTING INTERVENTION Kamal Nazer Yasin 6/05/09 [ link to www.eurasianet.org] Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s penchant for loopy one-liners and unsubstantiated allegations may finally be getting the best of him. A raucous presidential debate -- featuring comments so outrageous that Ahmadinejad provoked rebukes from all across the political spectrum -- has energized the Iranian electorate, and riveted attention on the June 12 presidential vote. Turnout may end up being so large, and attention so great, that it may make it difficult to rig. That can only be bad news for the incumbent. There are seven days now left before the presidential vote. Political apathy has characterized Iranian election cycles for almost a decade. Low voter turnout, in fact, paved Ahmadinejad’s path to power. Intellectuals and members of the economic middle class have been especially prominent in staying away from politics since experiencing disappointment during the administration of former reformist president Mohammad Khatami. But now the election is practically all that Iranians can talk about. Interest in the campaign is reaching a fever pitch. The catalyzing event for this development was a bruising nationally-televised debate on June 3 between the two main presidential contestants: Ahmadinejad, who is bidding for a second term, and his moderate-reformist challenger, Mir-Hossein Mousavi, who was a former prime minister and a confidant of the Islamic Republic’s founder, the late Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini. Roughly 60 percent of Iranians tuned in to the debate, and they were treated to a 90-minute verbal brawl that at times veered between a rhetorical prize fight and a professional wrestling bout. The candor that surrounded the debate had not been evident in Iran’s political discourse since the early days of the Islamic Revolution. Ahmadinejad came out swinging, throwing out charges that his opponent was in an unsavory alliance with former presidents Khatami and Aliakbar Rafsanjani and others, whom he variously accused of corruption, mendacity and perfidy. He named several people, including a top cleric, as having acquired their wealth illegally. He went on to claim he had proof that former president Rafsanjani’s sons had accumulated ill-begotten wealth and Rafsanjani himself had secretly colluded with an Arab state against him.Throughout, Ahmadinejad displayed a caustic and aggressive demeanor that many Iranians, due to the government’s heavy control of state media, had not seen before. The highlight from Ahmadinejad’s corner was when he pulled one of the files stacked in front of him and said he had proof that Mousavi’s wife, who is an intellectual and dean of a university, had obtained her degrees inappropriately or illegally. After an uneven start in parrying Ahmadinejad’s jabs, Mousavi went ballistic after the attack on his wife. He threw a haymaker at the president, painting him as unbalanced and accusing him of "adventurism, instability, unlawfulness and radicalism." Mousavi followed that up with a combination designed to impugn Ahmadinejad’s patriotism. Referring to Ahmadinejad’s repeated denial of the Holocaust, Mousavi said the incumbent has disgraced Iran in world opinion. "Shame has been brought on Iran. You have created tension with other countries. Heavy costs have been brought on the nation in these four years," Mousavi said. After listing a series of measures taken by the government that Mousavi said were illegal, he pointed his finger at Ahmadinejad and said his actions were paving the way for dictatorship. Mousavi also characterized Ahmadinejad’s debate behavior as sinful. "We are Muslims, we believe in God. We cannot name people like that and accuse them," Mousavi said, referring to the incumbent’s multiple, unsubstantiated corruption claims. The debate ended at midnight on June 3, and it immediately had an impact on the national atmosphere. In the capital, thousands of people poured out of their homes spontaneously and drove or walked to major intersections or gathering points, sounding car horns, shouting slogans and holding impromptu rallies in small numbers into the early morning hours. Several thousand security agents in riot gear, along with uniformed police, were deployed to prevent physical clashes. In some cities, like in the holy city of Mashad, violent clashes did occur. At least one death was reported, that of a student supporter of Mousavi beaten to death by vigilantes.Analysts believe that Ahmadinejad’s reliance on smack-down tactics was calculated to portray Mousavi as a hireling of the corrupt and powerful few, and to inflame public passions based on class divisions. By linking Mousavi with Rafsanjani, the incumbent president clearly hoped to repeat tactics that proved successful in the 2005 election. In that campaign, Ahmadinejad succeeded in smearing his main challenger, Rafsanjani, and framing the election as a battle between rich and poor, greed and social justice. In an indication that Ahmadinejad’s debate zingers were carefully prepared, the hard-line Fars News Agency reported the day before the debate that a number of students would hold a rally on June 3 outside the headquarters of the Expediency Council, which Rafsanjani chairs. In the days since the debate, members of the Basij militia, which has served as Ahmadinejad’s de facto campaign organization, were shouting slogans at rallies, such as "Mousavi is Rafsanjani’s scarecrow." And during Friday prayers on June 5, pro-presidential supporters distributed anti-Rafsanjani pamphlets outside mosques. There are signs that Ahmadinejad’s tactics may backfire for this election. At the very least, they earned him a rebuke from one of his staunchest supporters -- Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei. Speaking at a ceremony marking the 20th anniversary of Ayatollah Khomeini’s death, the Supreme Leader indicated that Ahmadinejad had crossed a line.
"One doesn’t like to see a nominee, for the sake of proving himself, seeking to negate somebody else," Ayatollah Khamenei said. "I have no problem with debate, dialogue and criticism but these debates must take place within a religious framework."Rafsanjani, for his part, announced that he would press a defamation suit against the president, the Mehr news agency reported June 5. That would be a legal case that could divide the Iranian establishment. The Expediency Council that Rafsanjani heads is Iran’s top forum for legislative arbitration. It also functions as an advisory body to the Supreme Leader, who is one of Ahmadinejad’s top patrons. On June 4, Rafsanjani publicly aired concerns that pro-Ahmadinejad forces were preparing to carry out widespread ballot-stuffing. Ayatollah Khamenei’s injunction against attack-style politics would appear to leave Ahmadinejad in a difficult position for the campaign’s home stretch. Having embraced a Rovian philosophy of hate-and-divide, he can’t be seen as backtracking, or he will lose the support of the poor masses that he needs to manipulate in order to win the election. But disobeying the Supreme Leader can have its own consequences. Ahmadinejad also runs the risk of waking a sleeping giant -- the large bloc of reformist-leaning voters that has slumbered through the last two presidential elections. Last Edited by Grizzled Old Goat on 06/05/2009 09:21 PM |
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User ID: 689250 Canada 06/05/2009 09:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ahmadinejad goes nutz in election debate - violates constitution - earns smackdown from top Mullah AHMADINEJAD "VIOLATED IRANIAN CONSTITUTION" [ link to www.upi.com] June 4 (UPI) -- Incumbent Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad went on the defensive in a presidential debate in a way that some say violated the national constitution. Ahmadinejad faced off against rival contender and former Prime Minister Mir-Hossein Mousavi in a rare live televised debate. The incumbent lashed out at Mousavi supporters, Mohammad Khatami and Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, saying the two former presidents were plotting to push the conservative from power, the Iranian Press TV reports. Ahmadinejad also accused Zahra Rahnavard, the former prime minister's wife, of falsely obtaining her doctorate degree. Nemat Ahmadi, a political analyst and lawyer in Tehran, told Press TV the comments from Ahmadinejad violated the Iranian Constitution, which requires court convictions before claims of guilt.
"What Ahmadinejad said last night was clearly in breach of the Constitution," Ahmadi said. "All those who he named can file a complaint against him."Iran's Supreme Leader Grand Ayatollah Ali Khamenei weighed in on the matter as well, criticizing the use of slander in the televised debate. Mousavi defended himself against the Ahmadinejad attack, saying the president used slander as a method of last resort. Iran holds presidential elections June 12. Ahmadinejad faces challenges from Mousavi, former military commander Mohsen Rezaei and former Parliamentary Speaker Mehdi Karroubi. Analysts suspect Mousavi poses the greatest threat to Ahmadinejad. |
lissa
User ID: 644660 United States 06/05/2009 09:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ahmadinejad goes nutz in election debate - violates constitution - earns smackdown from top Mullah he is absolutely losing it!!!
just like bibi and obambi |
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User ID: 689250 Canada 06/05/2009 09:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ahmadinejad goes nutz in election debate - violates constitution - earns smackdown from top Mullah Personally, I think Khameini can see the writing on the wall - Ringo's insane outbursts HAVE brought shame on the Iranian nation, and they are now a pariah state almost to the level of North Korea. I think the ol' "supreme leader" will pull his support for Ahmadinejad in the last week of the election, and the moderate Mousavi will be elected President - time for a moderate.. |
lissa
User ID: 644660 United States 06/05/2009 09:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ahmadinejad goes nutz in election debate - violates constitution - earns smackdown from top Mullah Personally, I think Khameini can see the writing on the wall - Ringo's insane outbursts HAVE brought shame on the Iranian nation, and they are now a pariah state almost to the level of North Korea. I think the ol' "supreme leader" will pull his support for Ahmadinejad in the last week of the election, and the moderate Mousavi will be elected President - time for a moderate..
Quoting: Grizzled Old Goatwell now that would certainly stir things up for the NWO FREE THE IRANIANS! |
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User ID: 689250 Canada 06/05/2009 09:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ahmadinejad goes nutz in election debate - violates constitution - earns smackdown from top Mullah
Personally, I think Khameini can see the writing on the wall - Ringo's insane outbursts HAVE brought shame on the Iranian nation, and they are now a pariah state almost to the level of North Korea. I think the ol' "supreme leader" will pull his support for Ahmadinejad in the last week of the election, and the moderate Mousavi will be elected President - time for a moderate..
well now that would certainly stir things up for the NWO
FREE THE IRANIANS!
Quoting: lissaWell, they'd be more free than they are, but no nation that has religious police can EVER be truly free.. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 593773 Canada 06/05/2009 09:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ahmadinejad goes nutz in election debate - violates constitution - earns smackdown from top Mullah Someday this guy will end up in moldy basement with booster cables on his nipples. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 572354 United States 06/05/2009 09:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ahmadinejad goes nutz in election debate - violates constitution - earns smackdown from top Mullah Would LOVE to see video of this! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 593773 Canada 06/05/2009 09:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ahmadinejad goes nutz in election debate - violates constitution - earns smackdown from top Mullah That guy if fucking hilarious, a bit like Dr.Evil. |
Grizzled Old Goat
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User ID: 689250 Canada 06/05/2009 09:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ahmadinejad goes nutz in election debate - violates constitution - earns smackdown from top Mullah Someday this guy will end up in moldy basement with booster cables on his nipples.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 593773I'd pay to see that! |
DoomRaider
User ID: 696069 United States 06/05/2009 09:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ahmadinejad goes nutz in election debate - violates constitution - earns smackdown from top Mullah Would LOVE to see video of this!
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 572354Me, too... (with subtitles) ;) |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 593773 Canada 06/05/2009 09:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ahmadinejad goes nutz in election debate - violates constitution - earns smackdown from top Mullah One day the guy at the top will start listening to different advisors/analysts, and they will send Ahmadinejad into "retirement".
I hope. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 695795 United Kingdom 06/05/2009 10:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ahmadinejad goes nutz in election debate - violates constitution - earns smackdown from top Mullah A'jad has built up a fanatical following amongst the Basijji Martyr brigades who are loyal to him personaly - rather than see his apocalyptic dreams evaporate he might he might well decide to jump the gun. |
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User ID: 689250 Canada 06/05/2009 10:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ahmadinejad goes nutz in election debate - violates constitution - earns smackdown from top Mullah A'jad has built up a fanatical following amongst the Basijji Martyr brigades who are loyal to him personaly..
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 695795Like the Nazi "Brownshirts". Too late though! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 691948 United States 06/05/2009 10:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ahmadinejad goes nutz in election debate - violates constitution - earns smackdown from top Mullah He might have a new name "AhmanIneedajob" |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 693814 United States 06/05/2009 10:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ahmadinejad goes nutz in election debate - violates constitution - earns smackdown from top Mullah Someday this guy will end up in moldy basement with booster cables on his nipples.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 593773 I hope so, or maybe worse! |
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anonymous User ID: 695955 United States 06/05/2009 10:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ahmadinejad goes nutz in election debate - violates constitution - earns smackdown from top Mullah nothin will change iran has been radical since 1979 . do not look for any changes at . it is al useless doubletalk that goes no damm where . arabs are sooo good at that strategy . |
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User ID: 689250 Canada 06/05/2009 10:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ahmadinejad goes nutz in election debate - violates constitution - earns smackdown from top Mullah He might have a new name "AhmanIneedajob" Quoting: RememberThisHe can always get work walking the streets of Tehran making sure that there are no female ankles being exposed.. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 696052 United States 06/05/2009 10:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ahmadinejad goes nutz in election debate - violates constitution - earns smackdown from top Mullah little man |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 593773 Canada 06/05/2009 11:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ahmadinejad goes nutz in election debate - violates constitution - earns smackdown from top Mullah The supreme Leader will force a sex change and a new identity when they exile him. |
DoomRaider
User ID: 696069 United States 06/05/2009 11:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ahmadinejad goes nutz in election debate - violates constitution - earns smackdown from top Mullah He might have a new name "AhmanIneedajob" Quoting: RememberThis |
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User ID: 689250 Canada 06/05/2009 11:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ahmadinejad goes nutz in election debate - violates constitution - earns smackdown from top Mullah little man
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 696052Yup! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 639424 United States 06/07/2009 02:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ahmadinejad goes nutz in election debate - violates constitution - earns smackdown from top Mullah where is the cocksucking NK war thread |
Duncan Kunz
User ID: 8107 United States 06/08/2009 04:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ahmadinejad goes nutz in election debate - violates constitution - earns smackdown from top Mullah nothin will change iran has been radical since 1979 . do not look for any changes at . it is al useless doubletalk that goes no damm where . arabs are sooo good at that strategy .
Quoting: anonymous 695955 Iranians are Persians, not Arabs.Where's the EVIDENCE, Jim? |
ANNONYMOUS User ID: 661006 United States 06/08/2009 04:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ahmadinejad goes nutz in election debate - violates constitution - earns smackdown from top Mullah |
anonanon
User ID: 254206 United States 06/08/2009 05:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ahmadinejad goes nutz in election debate - violates constitution - earns smackdown from top Mullah
He is going nutso just thinking about losing his office and his power and all the media attention he gets. How is he going to hold his head up high to his pals Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro and everyone's favorite Little Kim of North Korea? Hopefully, we are about to see the last of this nutjob. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 697963 United States 06/08/2009 05:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ahmadinejad goes nutz in election debate - violates constitution - earns smackdown from top Mullah Personally, I think Khameini can see the writing on the wall - Ringo's insane outbursts HAVE brought shame on the Iranian nation, ..
Quoting: Grizzled Old Goatlol...goat you are funny...as if you really care about " "shame" ....invovling a nation... if you did care about such things, how come Ive never seen you make a post about Israel being the worlds #1 seller and profiteer of drugs like ecstasy ? isnt that shameful ? Gods chosen special land...LOL... WTF are you goat ? are you even a human ? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 688614 Germany 06/08/2009 06:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ahmadinejad goes nutz in election debate - violates constitution - earns smackdown from top Mullah Ahmadonutter yapped about corruption amongst the elite in order to once again appeal to the ordinary folk and win their support The problem with that is he failed to deliver on the promises made during the previous election so he will definitely lose a lot of votes there thru being seen as a lot of hot air
as an aside .. that pic of cross-eyed Ahmadonutter looks rather weirdly goat like ! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 658066 United States 06/08/2009 06:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ahmadinejad goes nutz in election debate - violates constitution - earns smackdown from top Mullah Wow, sick propaganda on this thread.
If it was credible, it isn't anymore.
GARBAGE. |
whisprgently
User ID: 491713 Canada 06/08/2009 07:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ahmadinejad goes nutz in election debate - violates constitution - earns smackdown from top Mullah I liked him, I thought he had guts, he's the only President in the WHOLE world who dared take a stand against Bush. |
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