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"History is re-written by the winners", ad campaign by History Channel.

I am a born again Christian, proud American living in a Red State. So these ads offend me. Worse, so do the lies from the History Channel that they never knew nothing about birthin' no ads, a claim they made after the story came out

Go to link to see the photos of the ads and the screen shot they later took down and said never existed
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History Is (Re)Written By The Winners [link to www.redstate.com]
… or at least, by the ad agencies.

The History Channel is a generally well-respected brand in the United States. The shows routinely make “water-cooler” conversation at sites like Redstate. Indeed, the sister networks like The Military Channel are staples among conservative viewers, as anyone who spends any time around conservatives and veterans is well aware. So you can imagine my surprise reading an article earlier this week titled “Anti-American History Channel Ads You Won’t See In The US Or Online” at the Business Insider website. There were three images included which are, to say the least, inflammatory.

The campaign, titled “History is Written By The Winners” was represented by three images (History Channel logo has been removed):

Highly inflammatory, as well as disputable, and clearly anti-American. I immediately started looking into the story to find out why, or even if, the History Channel would actually run such vile ads, and why Ogilvy & Mather would create them. While I was researching, the story changed.

Less than a day after I read it, the article was updated with the following information:

Update: A rep for A&E Television, which owns HIstory Channel, says these are not authorized History Channel ads. This rep did not know if they were created by Ogilvy and Fran Luckin, as they were attributed on Adsoftheworld.com. We’ve updated the images with watermarks reflecting their inauthenticity.

Interesting. But a number of questions still remained. If A&E didn’t order the ads, who did? And why? Are they actually fakes?

Well … no. Not exactly.

I contacted Adsoftheworld.com to find out where they had obtained the ads, and why they were attributed to Ogilvy. It turns out that the ads were, in fact, submitted by an unaffilliated third party. However, Adsoftheworld had every reason to attribute them to Ogilvy. You see, Ogilvy won the Silver at the prestigious CLIO awards this year for the very campaign, and the three posters are, at the time of this writing, still featured on the award page! It’s kinda hard to win an award for fake ads. (Update: Ed Driscoll notes that the CLIO website has removed the ads from the web page. I did, however, keep a screenshot, which you can see here.)

Clearly there remained some question as to the validity of the images. It is not as easy as just stamping FAKE on them. I contacted Ogilvy, CLIO and A&E for statements.

I spoke first with Michael Feeney, Senior Vice President of Corporate Communications at A&E Television. Let’s begin with his official statement:

“The History channel has nothing to do with any of these ads and we’ve contacted representatives around the world to take them down and to immediately cease and desist.”

I asked Mr. Feeney if he was aware of any circumstance or location where the ads had actually been run. He was not aware, and no one had contacted him regarding any print versions, only the online versions. Until I told him about the CLIOs he was apparently not aware, and did not know the images were still running on the CLIO website. As the original story stated, he indicated that the ads were purported to have been run in South Africa. I asked him if A&E had contacted the Johannesburg office. He indicated they had, and that the office specifically denied any involvement with the ads. He also pointed out to me that the ads used their old logo, not their new one. He pointed out that the History Channel is not known for any anti-American sentiments, and said he was just as distraught as anyone else when he saw the ads. He declined to point a finger at Ogilvy, but repeatedly and emphatically stated that A&E and the History Channel had no part in the ads, and were not aware of them until the article ran at Business Insider.

more at link. go see the ads. I'm not watching History Channel any more.

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"History is re-written by the winners", ad campaign by History Channel.

I am a born again Christian, proud American living in a Red State. So these ads offend me. Worse, so do the lies from the History Channel that they never knew nothing about birthin' no ads, a claim they made after the story came out

Go to link to see the photos of the ads and the screen shot they later took down and said never existed
------------------------------------

History Is (Re)Written By The Winners [link to www.redstate.com]
… or at least, by the ad agencies.

The History Channel is a generally well-respected brand in the United States. The shows routinely make “water-cooler” conversation at sites like Redstate. Indeed, the sister networks like The Military Channel are staples among conservative viewers, as anyone who spends any time around conservatives and veterans is well aware. So you can imagine my surprise reading an article earlier this week titled “Anti-American History Channel Ads You Won’t See In The US Or Online” at the Business Insider website. There were three images included which are, to say the least, inflammatory.

The campaign, titled “History is Written By The Winners” was represented by three images (History Channel logo has been removed):

Highly inflammatory, as well as disputable, and clearly anti-American. I immediately started looking into the story to find out why, or even if, the History Channel would actually run such vile ads, and why Ogilvy & Mather would create them. While I was researching, the story changed.

Less than a day after I read it, the article was updated with the following information:

Update: A rep for A&E Television, which owns HIstory Channel, says these are not authorized History Channel ads. This rep did not know if they were created by Ogilvy and Fran Luckin, as they were attributed on Adsoftheworld.com. We’ve updated the images with watermarks reflecting their inauthenticity.

Interesting. But a number of questions still remained. If A&E didn’t order the ads, who did? And why? Are they actually fakes?

Well … no. Not exactly.

I contacted Adsoftheworld.com to find out where they had obtained the ads, and why they were attributed to Ogilvy. It turns out that the ads were, in fact, submitted by an unaffilliated third party. However, Adsoftheworld had every reason to attribute them to Ogilvy. You see, Ogilvy won the Silver at the prestigious CLIO awards this year for the very campaign, and the three posters are, at the time of this writing, still featured on the award page! It’s kinda hard to win an award for fake ads. (Update: Ed Driscoll notes that the CLIO website has removed the ads from the web page. I did, however, keep a screenshot, which you can see here.)

Clearly there remained some question as to the validity of the images. It is not as easy as just stamping FAKE on them. I contacted Ogilvy, CLIO and A&E for statements.

I spoke first with Michael Feeney, Senior Vice President of Corporate Communications at A&E Television. Let’s begin with his official statement:

“The History channel has nothing to do with any of these ads and we’ve contacted representatives around the world to take them down and to immediately cease and desist.”

I asked Mr. Feeney if he was aware of any circumstance or location where the ads had actually been run. He was not aware, and no one had contacted him regarding any print versions, only the online versions. Until I told him about the CLIOs he was apparently not aware, and did not know the images were still running on the CLIO website. As the original story stated, he indicated that the ads were purported to have been run in South Africa. I asked him if A&E had contacted the Johannesburg office. He indicated they had, and that the office specifically denied any involvement with the ads. He also pointed out to me that the ads used their old logo, not their new one. He pointed out that the History Channel is not known for any anti-American sentiments, and said he was just as distraught as anyone else when he saw the ads. He declined to point a finger at Ogilvy, but repeatedly and emphatically stated that A&E and the History Channel had no part in the ads, and were not aware of them until the article ran at Business Insider.

more at link. go see the ads. I'm not watching History Channel any more.
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so truth is anti american, ooh who would of thought.
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"History is re-written by the winners", ad campaign by History Channel.

I am a born again Christian, proud American living in a Red State. So these ads offend me. Worse, so do the lies from the History Channel that they never knew nothing about birthin' no ads, a claim they made after the story came out

Go to link to see the photos of the ads and the screen shot they later took down and said never existed
------------------------------------

History Is (Re)Written By The Winners [link to www.redstate.com]
… or at least, by the ad agencies.

The History Channel is a generally well-respected brand in the United States. The shows routinely make “water-cooler” conversation at sites like Redstate. Indeed, the sister networks like The Military Channel are staples among conservative viewers, as anyone who spends any time around conservatives and veterans is well aware. So you can imagine my surprise reading an article earlier this week titled “Anti-American History Channel Ads You Won’t See In The US Or Online” at the Business Insider website. There were three images included which are, to say the least, inflammatory.

The campaign, titled “History is Written By The Winners” was represented by three images (History Channel logo has been removed):

Highly inflammatory, as well as disputable, and clearly anti-American. I immediately started looking into the story to find out why, or even if, the History Channel would actually run such vile ads, and why Ogilvy & Mather would create them. While I was researching, the story changed.

Less than a day after I read it, the article was updated with the following information:

Update: A rep for A&E Television, which owns HIstory Channel, says these are not authorized History Channel ads. This rep did not know if they were created by Ogilvy and Fran Luckin, as they were attributed on Adsoftheworld.com. We’ve updated the images with watermarks reflecting their inauthenticity.

Interesting. But a number of questions still remained. If A&E didn’t order the ads, who did? And why? Are they actually fakes?

Well … no. Not exactly.

I contacted Adsoftheworld.com to find out where they had obtained the ads, and why they were attributed to Ogilvy. It turns out that the ads were, in fact, submitted by an unaffilliated third party. However, Adsoftheworld had every reason to attribute them to Ogilvy. You see, Ogilvy won the Silver at the prestigious CLIO awards this year for the very campaign, and the three posters are, at the time of this writing, still featured on the award page! It’s kinda hard to win an award for fake ads. (Update: Ed Driscoll notes that the CLIO website has removed the ads from the web page. I did, however, keep a screenshot, which you can see here.)

Clearly there remained some question as to the validity of the images. It is not as easy as just stamping FAKE on them. I contacted Ogilvy, CLIO and A&E for statements.

I spoke first with Michael Feeney, Senior Vice President of Corporate Communications at A&E Television. Let’s begin with his official statement:

“The History channel has nothing to do with any of these ads and we’ve contacted representatives around the world to take them down and to immediately cease and desist.”

I asked Mr. Feeney if he was aware of any circumstance or location where the ads had actually been run. He was not aware, and no one had contacted him regarding any print versions, only the online versions. Until I told him about the CLIOs he was apparently not aware, and did not know the images were still running on the CLIO website. As the original story stated, he indicated that the ads were purported to have been run in South Africa. I asked him if A&E had contacted the Johannesburg office. He indicated they had, and that the office specifically denied any involvement with the ads. He also pointed out to me that the ads used their old logo, not their new one. He pointed out that the History Channel is not known for any anti-American sentiments, and said he was just as distraught as anyone else when he saw the ads. He declined to point a finger at Ogilvy, but repeatedly and emphatically stated that A&E and the History Channel had no part in the ads, and were not aware of them until the article ran at Business Insider.

more at link. go see the ads. I'm not watching History Channel any more.
 Quoting: Dread Pirate Roberts


so truth is anti american, ooh who would of thought.
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double post...

did you ever hear of the phrase "Lies, damned lies, and statistics". Numbers can be manipulated any way you want. And most ways are accurate. But there is a difference between truth and accuracy.
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sometimes the truth cuts a little too close to the bone for "patriotic" types.

It's supposed the History channel, not the Hooray for America Channel.
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Actually, I think history is rewritten by...the History Channel...

It's just another nwo channel. Nothing coming out of your tv set is truth.
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I'm American and I know my country is completely based off of lies and give the general public nothing but lies. Our history and the "American dream" are based off of lies. Just like the Mayan calendar says, the lies will come out during the period we're in up until 2012. The old ways must make way for the new ways and nothing can stop it. The truth will come out and the lies will be shown.
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Actually, I think history is rewritten by...the History Channel...

It's just another nwo channel. Nothing coming out of your tv set is truth.
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I agree. It didn't used to be, originally. But it's a gonner now
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Actually, I think history is rewritten by...the History Channel...

It's just another nwo channel. Nothing coming out of your tv set is truth.
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I agree.

America is a cool place to live. But it isn't perfect. And it's past was never perfect. So why would you pretend that is is/was, OP? History is rewritten by the winners as far as I can tell. Obviously your proud red state school system has shown that American history can not only be rewritten by the winners (Americans), but it can also be retaught that way (to you)!

In all fairness, we have all been manipulated to some degree or another by "rewritten history".
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Actually, I think history is rewritten by...the History Channel...

It's just another nwo channel. Nothing coming out of your tv set is truth.


I agree.

America is a cool place to live. But it isn't perfect. And it's past was never perfect. So why would you pretend that is is/was, OP? History is rewritten by the winners as far as I can tell. Obviously your proud red state school system has shown that American history can not only be rewritten by the winners (Americans), but it can also be retaught that way (to you)!

In all fairness, we have all been manipulated to some degree or another by "rewritten history".
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I didn't say American was perfect.
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I didn't say American was perfect.
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Then why do you care so much?

If you already knew that the dirt is all over the place, why does the History Channel surprise you? They are just like any other television corporation, they want profit and they will get it where and when they can.
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One declares so many things to be a crime
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I didn't say American was perfect.


Then why do you care so much?

If you already knew that the dirt is all over the place, why does the History Channel surprise you? They are just like any other television corporation, they want profit and they will get it where and when they can.
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I care because I live here. I care because loving where I live is not an all-or-nothing proposition. I said what I said because declaring one's Christianity, southern roots, and/or patriotism is that an increasingly incendiary act.

I have been thinking about you guy's questions and I didn't answer right away because I wanted to ponder and not give a flip answer.

Adlai Stevenson said
"when the proudest nations on earth have not only accepted American leadership in the common defense effort, but have also welcomed our troops and bases on their territory. Ports the world around are open to American warships by day or night. Our airmen are stationed in the most distant lands."

this is as true today as it was in 1952 when he first said it. That is remarkable to me. He also said

"a sense of national responsibility which will enable America to remain master of her power-to walk with it in serenity and wisdom, with self-respect and the respect to all mankind; a patriotism that puts country ahead of self; a patriotism which is not short, frenzied outbursts of emotion, but the tranquil and steady dedication of a lifetime."

That is not AS true today as it was then. Power and greed has supplanted much of our leadership, but patriotism does not rest in simply the few leaders of the country: it actually rests in the citizens. And the citizens of this great country, of all stripes and colors, are what makes us great.

I do mourn the loss of commitment, the loss of self-restraint. But I decided to say these things because I do not possess a blind patriotism. I traveled the world, and not long ago either, and I saw first hand what the world is like. I know from first-had experience that we ARE the greatest country on earth. And we keep forgetting that. We are embarrassed to say it. But we shouldn't, God has richly blessed us. However i think there is increasing embarrassment in saying we love our country and it is great not because we don't think that any more, but because we are embarrassed that we have abandoned self-restraint for greed, abandoned responsibility for selfishness.

As a result, we are diminishing ourselves. That self-reduction, that fear to proclaim the obvious, impacts the national responsibility we used to share for the country's poor, indigent, and for the world's too. And commercials like the History Channel's contribute to it.

We will never climb out of the hole if we refuse to see the top.

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