The Great Vitamin D conspiriacy

You can hear damned near ANYTHING on the Net, and other places.
WHAT you need to learn is to CHECK what you hear WITH a reputable source, to see if it's true, OR bullshit.

Vitamin D3 is made in the skin when 7-dehydrocholesterol reacts with UVB ultraviolet light at wavelengths between 270–300 nm, with peak synthesis occurring between 295-297 nm.[12][13] These wavelengths are present in sunlight when the UV index is greater than 3. At this solar elevation, which occurs daily within the tropics, daily during the spring and summer seasons in temperate regions, and almost never within the arctic circles, adequate amounts of vitamin D3 can be made in the skin after only ten to fifteen minutes of sun exposure at least two times per week to the face, arms, hands, or back without sunscreen. With longer exposure to UVB rays, an equilibrium is achieved in the skin, and the vitamin simply degrades as fast as it is generated.[1]

In humans, D3 is as effective as D2 in vitamin D hormone activity in circulation,[14] although others state that D3 is more effective than D2.[15] However, in some species, such as rats, vitamin D2 is more effective than D3.[16] Both vitamin D2 and D3 are used for human nutritional supplementation, and pharmaceutical forms include calcitriol (1alpha, 25-dihydroxycholecalciferol), doxercalciferol and calcipotriene.[17]

You see here is the problem.

No one has a little monitoring device hooked up to them, to tell them what levels their vitamins are at.

So in some cases beta-carotene can prevent cancer, and some cases it causes cancer.

And that is because all these factors work together.

If you take retinol as a supplement, and have a dinner rich in vitamin A, well you are way over the daily UL and re now blocking vitamin D absorption.

But what is the daily UL upper limit for Vitamin A?

10,000 IU and some multi-vitamins have 10,000 IU.

So anything you eat that day which has vitamin A puts you over the UL.

In fact one serving of liver, can put you at double.

There is still a lot of work that needs to be done, but unbiased studies are difficult to find and uncorrupted scientific studies are also difficult to find.

What I am doing, is just doing my own research, one suppliment at a time.

Started with zinc, then zinc vitamin c and echinachea, when I discovered zinc by itself does next to nothing, but as a catalyst it works wonders.
If you have a really bad tooth ache, and tylenol with aspirin together will still not kill the pain, if you take them with zinc, the pain is gone, because it is a catalyst.

So then I went onto selenium. And discovered how and when to take that, according to how it made me feel and how it fit in with the vitamin c and zinc.

So then I went onto vitamin D, and fit that in, all the while maintaining a good diet, but dropping milk and as many milk products as possible from my diet.

So that is how I am approaching it, one step at a time.

I will still eat carrots, I just won't take a vitamin A supplement.

Thoughts F.F. ... DID you read my contribution to this thread ?

If you had, AND believe me, no matter HOW MUCH D3 you take, the body will NOT absorb it.

Before most of your times here on Earth, there was on radio WOR from NY City a Dr. Carton Fredricks, who had a radio show five days a week, a proven track record on nutrition and vitamines and a LARGE following. My Mom was one. Because she had the radio on at lunch time to hear Dr Fredricks, I caught many of his shows. He sold/pushed NOTHING!

THAT is where I first heard about there being FOUR D vitamines, and how D3 was the WRONG one chosen to be added to milk. I have NO idea which ones are in vitamine pills and combined with calcium tables, so I can't go there.

Eagle

PS thanks for the support, Turtles Know !


Wrong again, Eagle. No matter how many times you post it, milk still contains D2 (egrocaliferol) NOT D3. D3 is the absorbable form of D.

Wrong again, Eagle. No matter how many times you post it, milk still contains D2 (egrocaliferol) NOT D3. D3 is the absorbable form of D.



I was at the grocery store yesterday and I saw they had 1,000 IU chocolate chewable Vitamin D, and I was going to buy some, even though I just bought the 1000 IU straight little white pills a couple days before.

But I looked at the label, and it had another ingredient in it, that it said was for absorption. I looked at the label of the ones I bought and it had no other ingredient.
So next time I will buy the chewable chocolate ones.

Do I look 53?

[link to img41.imageshack.us]

(stop looking at my hairy nipples, I shaved them this morning)

You have ONLY seen the TIP of the 'iceberg' !

In the EARLY 1930s, when vitamines were first being recognized/discovered, it was found that vitamine D helped with a "disease" called rickets ( actually from lack of D ).

They decided to force milk companies to add vitamine D to milk to stop 'rickets', or poor bone formation in children.

HOWEVER, at the time they did NOT KNOW there were FOUR D vitamines, D1, D2, D3 and D4. By shere accident (?) they picked D3 to add to milk, and it is the ONLY D vitamine that humans CAN'T absorb into their bodies.

It has NEVER BEEN CHANGED ! Ask you local dairy man like I did, where I have bought milk for 44 YEARS; he knows NOTHING about which D vitamine goes into his milk; ONLY that it does !

The 'Good Old Boys Science Group' just NEVER admits a MISTAKE OR, changes it when confronted !

Check it out. Prove me WRONG !


Eagle

Don't wear sunscreen and spend 20 or minutes in the sun, it helps.

Gave up sunscreen a couple years ago, that crap is dangerous.



yeah if your just in the sun for 20 mins. If you work out in the sun every day..it wouldnt be a bad idea to use a little sun block

unless you like skin cancer



Use to work in the sun all day everyday for years, before sunscreen became a big deal, I'm a green-eyed, blond, no skin cancer here.



... yeah, lol... so there!.... and hey, no skin cancer here either, and I do work out in that ol' dear dear Sun every day... hell-o, lol, city walkin' mailman here... and, most of me youth was spent as a surfer/beach bum to the max too. I'm also a blue eyed blond... and... to boot... a devout Sun gazer since '96 as well.

You can "overdose" on vitamin D and cause some fairly nasty health issues.



Whenever I come across people purporting a "natural cure" I always keep this one in mind.




[link to www.denvernaturopathic.com]


This was a "natural cure" that was in most homes between 1915-1930



What finally convinced the public that this was not healthy thing to do was when several individual using it HAD THEIR JAWS ROT AWAY AND FALL OFF....they went on a national tour to towns across the nation to show people how dangerous it was.

We're having quite a debate at my house on whether Vitamin A really interferes with Vitamin D3 absorption. I've spent a fair amount of time researching on the internet and have only found one article supporting this - perhaps I'm not searching with the best phrase..... Can someone post a link to reliable source on the Vitamin A/Vitamin D interference? Thanks so much!



Here you go... under Vitamin A


"One small study of nine healthy individuals in Sweden found that the amount of vitamin A in one serving of liver may impair the ability of vitamin D to promote calcium absorption [43]. To further test the association between excess dietary intakes of vitamin A and increased risk for hip fractures, researchers in Sweden compared bone mineral density and retinol intake in approximately 250 women with a first hip fracture to 875 age-matched controls. They found that a dietary retinol intake greater than 1,500 mcg/day (more than twice the recommended intake for women) was associated with reduced bone mineral density and increased risk of hip fracture as compared to women who consumed less than 500 mcg/day [44]."

Basically it goes on to say more studies are needed.

Retinol interferes if you take twice the daily UL.
Beta-carotene does not interfere, but beta-carotene is absolutely not recommended by the government as a supplement due to the increased risk of cancer.

[link to ods.od.nih.gov]


Take a look at this one too...
"Epidemic Influenza And Vitamin D"

[link to www.medicalnewstoday.com]

my latest update from blood work...still deficient .they've raised my rx to daily 2000 units plus my other daily supplements...still getting sun and still mystified as to what's going on...more appts coming up, but i'm really beginning to think i am just not processing the d...

BLEH!!!! will update again as i learn more...

Ewww, you look older than my husband & he is 51.


Get some pants on.

:cuppig:

my latest update from blood work...still deficient .they've raised my rx to daily 2000 units plus my other daily supplements...still getting sun and still mystified as to what's going on...more appts coming up, but i'm really beginning to think i am just not processing the d...

BLEH!!!! will update again as i learn more...

Want to astonish them? Take this for 14 days.

[link to store.homefirst.com]

Then take 2 of these a day for the next few months. Your level should skyrocket!

[link to store.homefirst.com]

my latest update from blood work...still deficient .they've raised my rx to daily 2000 units plus my other daily supplements...still getting sun and still mystified as to what's going on...more appts coming up, but i'm really beginning to think i am just not processing the d...

BLEH!!!! will update again as i learn more...

my latest update from blood work...still deficient .they've raised my rx to daily 2000 units plus my other daily supplements...still getting sun and still mystified as to what's going on...more appts coming up, but i'm really beginning to think i am just not processing the d...

BLEH!!!! will update again as i learn more...



Thanks for the update. I am going to book a general physical and have my levels tested as well.

Lets do our own study right here.

my latest update from blood work...still deficient .they've raised my rx to daily 2000 units plus my other daily supplements...still getting sun and still mystified as to what's going on...more appts coming up, but i'm really beginning to think i am just not processing the d...

BLEH!!!! will update again as i learn more...

Want to astonish them? Take this for 14 days.

[link to store.homefirst.com]

Then take 2 of these a day for the next few months. Your level should skyrocket!

[link to store.homefirst.com]

i will try that Mopar :-) thanks to you, i've done everything i ( and they ) can think of -totally revamped my diet, done all the cleanses to see if there was an absorption problem ... it's frustrating because it complicates other medical issues ...i will try to get these and will let you know how my next blood work turns out

Do I look 53?

[link to img41.imageshack.us]

(stop looking at my hairy nipples, I shaved them this morning)

Also putting (d.salina)beta carotene on a mole.read here it kills of the mole within 2weeks.I am trying it out of curiosity.On day 3 at moment .

my latest update from blood work...still deficient .they've raised my rx to daily 2000 units plus my other daily supplements...still getting sun and still mystified as to what's going on...more appts coming up, but i'm really beginning to think i am just not processing the d...

BLEH!!!! will update again as i learn more...

Do I look 53?

[link to img41.imageshack.us]

(stop looking at my hairy nipples, I shaved them this morning)

LMAO, I wasnt looking at your nipples. I was laughing because youre trying to flex your muscles. Admittingly, Although this is only an admission to satisfy the post, you look pretty fit for 53. Could lose a little around the waiste.

vitamin D is a poison taken in pill form!!!!! stop listening to this stupid GLP thread


for fuck sake people use ur head.