The Great Vitamin D conspiriacy

good advice there :-) thank you

Thanks so much for the information on the muscle aches and the Vitamin D

Not to get off topic but can anyone give a good example of what a good vitamin regiment would be? what about vitamin b?

I read somewhere that if you smoke and take beta carotene your risk of lung cancer rockets,do you know why?Read that beta carotene boosts the immune system clearing nasty radicals .Which is true as I am popping theater mo.(d.salina )

Also putting (d.salina)beta carotene on a mole.read here it kills of the mole within 2weeks.I am trying it out of curiosity.On day 3 at moment .

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lol George Carlin is needed in this thread

listen and stop being fucking worry warts. LOOK get enough sun, eat a decent diet, don't abuse your body and you will be OK. What do expect another 100 years tacked on because you took some synthetic vitamin D supps? fucking stupid.

right between the eyes. very good post!! Thanks

Thanks for this thread.

Funnily enough, we had our first warm day here for a couple of weeks and the rush your whole body feels when stepping outside and feeling the rays on you first thing in the morning is unmistakeable.

The absolute best way to get true vitamin D is to spend an hour a day in the sun and eat raw Herring Fish.

The Herring, has the highest amount of Vitamin D than anything on the planet except for the sun......and those are the facts and why, the Herring was the most eaten fish back in; lets just say Bible Days.

More stuff that they do not teach you, so you have to do it for yourself......

vitamin D is a poison taken in pill form!!!!! stop listening to this stupid GLP thread


for fuck sake people use ur head.

I actually saw a cookery program a while back talking about how we in the UK used to eat loads of herrings but we haven't got back into them since they were banned for a while. As always this doesn't prove anything but interesting none the less.

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Fifteen facts you never knew about vitamin D and sunlight exposure.

Dr. Michael Holick is one of the world’s foremost experts on vitamin D, sunlight and health. This interview by The Health Ranger Mike Adams shares 15 facts about sunlight and vitamin D that you may have never known.


Vitamin D prevents osteoporosis, depression, prostate cancer, breast cancer, and even effects diabetes and obesity. Vitamin D is perhaps the single most underrated nutrient in the world of nutrition. That’s probably because it’s free: your body makes it when sunlight touches your skin. Drug companies can’t sell you sunlight, so there’s no promotion of its health benefits. Truth is, most people don’t know the real story on vitamin D and health. So here’s an overview taken from an interview between Mike Adams and Dr. Michael Holick.

1. Vitamin D is produced by your skin in response to exposure to ultraviolet radiation from natural sunlight.
2. The healing rays of natural sunlight (that generate vitamin D in your skin) cannot penetrate glass. So you don’t generate vitamin D when sitting in your car or home.
3. It is nearly impossible to get adequate amounts of vitamin D from your diet. Sunlight exposure is the only reliable way to generate vitamin D in your own body.
4. A person would have to drink ten tall glasses of vitamin D fortified milk each day just to get minimum levels of vitamin D into their diet.
5. The further you live from the equator, the longer exposure you need to the sun in order to generate vitamin D. Canada, the UK and most U.S. states are far from the equator.
6. People with dark skin pigmentation may need 20 - 30 times as much exposure to sunlight as fair-skinned people to generate the same amount of vitamin D. That’s why prostate cancer is epidemic among black men — it’s a simple, but widespread, sunlight deficiency.
7. Sufficient levels of vitamin D are crucial for calcium absorption in your intestines. Without sufficient vitamin D, your body cannot absorb calcium, rendering calcium supplements useless.
8. Chronic vitamin D deficiency cannot be reversed overnight: it takes months of vitamin D supplementation and sunlight exposure to rebuild the body’s bones and nervous system.
9. Even weak sunscreens (SPF=8) block your body’s ability to generate vitamin D by 95%. This is how sunscreen products actually cause disease — by creating a critical vitamin deficiency in the body.
10. It is impossible to generate too much vitamin D in your body from sunlight exposure: your body will self-regulate and only generate what it needs.
11. If it hurts to press firmly on your sternum, you may be suffering from chronic vitamin D deficiency right now.
12. Vitamin D is “activated” in your body by your kidneys and liver before it can be used.
13. Having kidney disease or liver damage can greatly impair your body’s ability to activate circulating vitamin D.
14. The sunscreen industry doesn’t want you to know that your body actually needs sunlight exposure because that realization would mean lower sales of sunscreen products.
15. Even though vitamin D is one of the most powerful healing chemicals in your body, your body makes it absolutely free. No prescription required.

On the issue of sunlight exposure, by the way, it turns out that super antioxidants greatly boost your body’s ability to handle sunlight without burning. Astaxanthin is one of the most powerful “internal sunscreens” and can allow you to stay under the sun twice as long without burning. Other powerful antioxidants with this ability include the superfruits like Acai, Pomegranates (POM Wonderful juice), blueberries, etc.


Diseases and conditions cause by vitamin D deficiency:

* Osteoporosis is commonly caused by a lack of vitamin D, which greatly impairs calcium absorption.
* Sufficient vitamin D prevents prostate cancer, breast cancer, ovarian cancer, depression, colon cancer and schizophrenia.
* “Rickets” is the name of a bone-wasting disease caused by vitamin D deficiency.
* Vitamin D deficiency may exacerbate type 2 diabetes and impair insulin production in the pancreas.
* Obesity impairs vitamin D utilization in the body, meaning obese people need twice as much vitamin D.
* Vitamin D is used around the world to treat Psoriasis.
* Vitamin D deficiency causes schizophrenia.
* Seasonal Affective Disorder is caused by a melatonin imbalance initiated by lack of exposure to sunlight.
* Chronic vitamin D deficiency is often misdiagnosed as fibromyalgia because its symptoms are so similar: muscle weakness, aches and pains.
* Your risk of developing serious diseases like diabetes and cancer is reduced 50% - 80% through simple, sensible exposure to natural sunlight 2-3 times each week.
* Infants who receive vitamin D supplementation (2000 units daily) have an 80% reduced risk of developing type 1 diabetes over the next twenty years.

Shocking Vitamin D deficiency statistics:

* 32% of doctors and med school students are vitamin D deficient.
* 40% of the U.S. population is vitamin D deficient.
* 42% of African American women of childbearing age are deficient in vitamin D.
* 48% of young girls (9-11 years old) are vitamin D deficient.
* Up to 60% of all hospital patients are vitamin D deficient.
* 76% of pregnant mothers are severely vitamin D deficient, causing widespread vitamin D deficiencies in their unborn children, which predisposes them to type 1 diabetes, arthritis, multiple sclerosis and schizophrenia later in life. 81% of the children born to these mothers were deficient.
* Up to 80% of nursing home patients are vitamin D deficient.

What you can do:

Sensible exposure to natural sunlight is the simplest, easiest and yet one of the most important strategies for improving your health. I urge you to read the book, “The UV Advantage” by Dr. Michael Holick to get the full story on natural sunlight. This may be the single most important book on health you ever read. If more people understood this information, we could drastically reduce the rates of chronic disease in this country and around the world. Sunlight exposure is truly one of the most powerful healing therapies in the world, far surpassing the best efforts of today’s so-called “advanced medicine.” There is no drug, no surgical procedure, and no high-tech procedure that comes even close to the astonishing healing power of natural sunlight.And you can get it free of charge. That’s why nobody’s promoting it, of course.

About the author: Mike Adams is a consumer health advocate with a strong interest in personal health, the environment and the power of nature to help us all heal He has authored more than 1,500 articles and dozens of reports, guides and interviews on natural health topics, impacting the lives of millions of readers around the world who are experiencing phenomenal health benefits from reading his articles. Adams is an independent journalist with strong ethics who does not get paid to write articles about any product or company.

I was told by a Naturopath that D2 is what they put in milk, and that D3 was the one that was absorbable.

Confusing.

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Vitamin D key to healthier brain.

I can't praise vit D enough.

last year i had chronic glandular fever which developed into multiple sclerosis. doctor was absolutely hopeless. I could't move because my liver and spleen were massively swolen.

Although the disease was caused by mercury poisoning, which i have since corrected, a major part of my self-cure was improving the immune function with tumeric, curcumin and getting a tan, since i was pasty white.

I noticed immediately on sunlight exposure that my symptoms became lessened, and over the months the more sun i got the better i felt. Before I was sick I was pasty white and fat and depresed, and now i'm healthy, brown and skinny and pulling the chicks.

Not so confusing to me. Eagle is the only one saying D3 is in milk, and offering no link or proof of that. Your Naturopath knows his stuff.

OP has good material, and who here trusts big pharm's motives?

What method did you use to detox from the mercury poisoning?

I just bought some D3 from ....wally world (cause they have tons of it out now) I looked on the packaging it said nothing of vitamine A. IT did have some other things int he ingredients though....is their a chemical name (or other names used) for vitamine A?
Well I guess that doesnt matter. Because they would be required to put it in the nutrition dealio right?

Would you like us to just take your enlightened word/opinion on this, or have you thought about sharing a resource? Lots of others have given their basis FOR using D3 - feel free to do the same.

We're having quite a debate at my house on whether Vitamin A really interferes with Vitamin D3 absorption. I've spent a fair amount of time researching on the internet and have only found one article supporting this - perhaps I'm not searching with the best phrase..... Can someone post a link to reliable source on the Vitamin A/Vitamin D interference? Thanks so much!

The BIGGEST Lie out there is the Vitamin C crap....It's almost totally worthless and supplement have been proven to be TOTALLY INEFFECTIVE time after time. Pharma and supplement manufacturers are selling the public a bill of goods to separate them from their money. THIS IS A FACT!!

Eagle #1 is mistaken but there's no reason to attack him. Shows your lack of maturity.

Read my mind. I was just thinking that.

Where is George? I haven't seen him for a while now. Is he sitting in the sun with meat in his pockets still?

Oh yeah, he died didn't he.

Oh well we all gotta go some time.

Here you go... under Vitamin A


"One small study of nine healthy individuals in Sweden found that the amount of vitamin A in one serving of liver may impair the ability of vitamin D to promote calcium absorption [43]. To further test the association between excess dietary intakes of vitamin A and increased risk for hip fractures, researchers in Sweden compared bone mineral density and retinol intake in approximately 250 women with a first hip fracture to 875 age-matched controls. They found that a dietary retinol intake greater than 1,500 mcg/day (more than twice the recommended intake for women) was associated with reduced bone mineral density and increased risk of hip fracture as compared to women who consumed less than 500 mcg/day [44]."

Basically it goes on to say more studies are needed.

Retinol interferes if you take twice the daily UL.
Beta-carotene does not interfere, but beta-carotene is absolutely not recommended by the government as a supplement due to the increased risk of cancer.

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Take a look at this one too...
"Epidemic Influenza And Vitamin D"

[link to www.medicalnewstoday.com]

You can hear damned near ANYTHING on the Net, and other places.
WHAT you need to learn is to CHECK what you hear WITH a reputable source, to see if it's true, OR bullshit.

Vitamin D3 is made in the skin when 7-dehydrocholesterol reacts with UVB ultraviolet light at wavelengths between 270–300 nm, with peak synthesis occurring between 295-297 nm.[12][13] These wavelengths are present in sunlight when the UV index is greater than 3. At this solar elevation, which occurs daily within the tropics, daily during the spring and summer seasons in temperate regions, and almost never within the arctic circles, adequate amounts of vitamin D3 can be made in the skin after only ten to fifteen minutes of sun exposure at least two times per week to the face, arms, hands, or back without sunscreen. With longer exposure to UVB rays, an equilibrium is achieved in the skin, and the vitamin simply degrades as fast as it is generated.[1]

In humans, D3 is as effective as D2 in vitamin D hormone activity in circulation,[14] although others state that D3 is more effective than D2.[15] However, in some species, such as rats, vitamin D2 is more effective than D3.[16] Both vitamin D2 and D3 are used for human nutritional supplementation, and pharmaceutical forms include calcitriol (1alpha, 25-dihydroxycholecalciferol), doxercalciferol and calcipotriene.[17]

You see here is the problem.

No one has a little monitoring device hooked up to them, to tell them what levels their vitamins are at.

So in some cases beta-carotene can prevent cancer, and some cases it causes cancer.

And that is because all these factors work together.

If you take retinol as a supplement, and have a dinner rich in vitamin A, well you are way over the daily UL and re now blocking vitamin D absorption.

But what is the daily UL upper limit for Vitamin A?

10,000 IU and some multi-vitamins have 10,000 IU.

So anything you eat that day which has vitamin A puts you over the UL.

In fact one serving of liver, can put you at double.

There is still a lot of work that needs to be done, but unbiased studies are difficult to find and uncorrupted scientific studies are also difficult to find.

What I am doing, is just doing my own research, one suppliment at a time.

Started with zinc, then zinc vitamin c and echinachea, when I discovered zinc by itself does next to nothing, but as a catalyst it works wonders.
If you have a really bad tooth ache, and tylenol with aspirin together will still not kill the pain, if you take them with zinc, the pain is gone, because it is a catalyst.

So then I went onto selenium. And discovered how and when to take that, according to how it made me feel and how it fit in with the vitamin c and zinc.

So then I went onto vitamin D, and fit that in, all the while maintaining a good diet, but dropping milk and as many milk products as possible from my diet.

So that is how I am approaching it, one step at a time.

I will still eat carrots, I just won't take a vitamin A supplement.