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EPIC Civic Duty Fail

 
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EPIC Civic Duty Fail
"Apparently you morons didn’t understand me the first time. I CANNOT take time off from work. I’m not putting my familys wellbeing at stake to participate in this crap. I don’t believe in our “justice” system and I don’t want to have a goddamn thing to do with it. Jury duty is a complete waste of time. I would rather count the wrinkles on my dogs balls than sit on a jury. Get it through your thick skulls. Leave me the f–k alone."

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Undoubtedly many of us are cynical enough to perhaps agree at least in PART with the above sentiment, the problem is that when the people who care, don't care enough to participate, then the only people who do are those who are too ignorant or don't care about liberty, and you get bad verdicts.

Jury Nullification and the Grand Jury are the 2 non violent vehicles via which we COULD take back our country and it's political system.

Elections are a lost cause right now, tptb hold all the cards there to determine the outcome. But if we utilized the time honored tools of Jury Nullification to nullify bad laws by refusing to convict someone charged with them, and the Grand Jury to remove from office via criminal charges those who seek to usurp authority, we could turn things around without a single shot being fired (maybe).
"A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against its government."

"People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of the people."

"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!!!"

“…if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.”

"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men." - Woodrow Wilson from his death bed regarding his involvement in the passage of the Federal Reserve Act of 1913.
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05/09/2009 03:48 PM
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Re: EPIC Civic Duty Fail
Driver License and Voter Registration are the two ways they get you for Jury Duty.

Get out of the political system and fight from the outside.

Information here [link to www.notmygovernment.us]
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Driver License and Voter Registration are the two ways they get you for Jury Duty.

Get out of the political system and fight from the outside.

Information here [link to www.notmygovernment.us]
 Quoting: The Jurist



I dig it, but you don't think Jury nullification and the Grand Jury are legitimate tools to fight from within?
"A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against its government."

"People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of the people."

"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!!!"

“…if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.”

"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men." - Woodrow Wilson from his death bed regarding his involvement in the passage of the Federal Reserve Act of 1913.
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I kind of agree with OP's point, but it's just fighting fires, trying to hold back the flames. The real answer is to get involved in the process, and drag your neighbors along, at the community level, one town at a time, one county, one state at a time, until the roar is too much for TPTB to ignore. Let them go jerk around in some third world country for a few centuries.

And quit F'n compromising on candidate for offices. If someone's unfit, fight to have them removed from the ballot, even if it means scrapping the election, local or national, until there are candidates the majority can at least agree should run against each other. The machine is run by something like 20% of voters, the other 80% just play along, like some political version of American Idol. Worse, 50% of folks don't even vote. Upsetting the machine would be a piece of cake, if people snapped out of their daze.

Still, the jury box is one tool, at least until the other parts are in place, and 90% of folks that bail are just doing it because they've been programmed to avoid it. Legal stuff is actually somewhat interesting, if you go at it with the right attitude, and most people aren't in a situation where they absolutely cannot afford to go...they just don't feel like it.

Because they've been told over and over again how boring and miserable it is to be on jury duty...by other sheep and MSM.

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Last Edited by falldown on 05/09/2009 04:03 PM
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Still, the jury box is one tool, at least until the other parts are in place, and 90% of folks that bail are just doing it because they've been programmed to avoid it. Legal stuff is actually somewhat interesting, if you go at it with the right attitude, and most people aren't in a situation where they absolutely cannot afford to go...they just don't feel like it.

Because they've been told over and over again how boring and miserable it is to be on jury duty...by other sheep and MSM.

gaah
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Yup, cool, you "get it" which is not to say You & I are more right, but you get the point I was putting forth.

I think it's a reasonable plan of action, and more realistic than trying to step outside the matrix.

I've watched countless people try to step outside the matrix only to harmed.
"A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against its government."

"People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of the people."

"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!!!"

“…if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.”

"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men." - Woodrow Wilson from his death bed regarding his involvement in the passage of the Federal Reserve Act of 1913.
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05/09/2009 06:31 PM
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Re: EPIC Civic Duty Fail
Driver License and Voter Registration are the two ways they get you for Jury Duty.

Get out of the political system and fight from the outside.

Information here [link to www.notmygovernment.us]



I dig it, but you don't think Jury nullification and the Grand Jury are legitimate tools to fight from within?
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Yes. They still can be used being on the outside.
The rightful bodies politic have more power than US citizens.

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Last Edited by The Jurist on 05/09/2009 07:57 PM
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(Be) Divide(ed) and (be) Conquer(ed)...

Don’t listen to what they say, watch what they do.

~There is Tranquility in Ignorance, but Servitude is its Partner. —me
~What luck for Rulers that Men do not Think. —Adolf Hitler

:damned: Doom is optional. There is good news abounds.





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