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Look at this ~ In 2004... CDC to mix avian, human flu viruses in pandemic study

 
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I think God forgot the 11th Commandment....

"Thou shalt not play with little bugs."
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If it's anything like Fort Detrick, CDC has moles just waiting to steal and release whatever toxic soup their scientists come up with.

All biowarfare experimentaion must stop until the moles can be rooted out.

Or stopped forever if there is no way to identify and get rid of the people who can be bribed or coerced into stealing the porridge.
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TRUTH bump


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BURIED BACTERIA AT MARYLAND ARMY BASE
"Two years of digging at the U.S. Army's Fort Detrick in Frederick, Maryland has unearthed more than 2,000 tons of hazardous waste -- including vials of live bacteria and nonvirulent anthrax that the military did not know was buried there," the Washington Post reports.


Discovery of the pathogens at the former biological weapons research center turned what the Army thought would be industrial waste removal into the biggest cleanup in its history. So far, cleanup crews have discovered more than 100 glass vials, many containing live bacteria, and in a few, a nonvirulent strain of anthrax. The $25 million excavation is due to end this year.

While the Army searches for evidence of biological and chemical weapons in Iraq, Fort Detrick's cleanup saga shows how, nearly 40 years after the United States ended such programs at home, it still struggles with their lingering dangers. As in the Middle East, poor documentation, the passage of time and the programs' secrecy have slowed the effort.
[link to www.defensetech.org]"




Lab 257-during the hurricanes several yrs back in NEW ENGLAND...


enough with the Frankenstein science crap-just like the atomic bomb...well, the controllers then did not know what would happen-it was a crap shoot, just like CERN, just like many other ignorant musings...

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wasayo, this is now on the Drudge Report
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wasayo, this is now on the Drudge Report
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dear AC 432850,

wow, no kidding!!! i'll check Drudge out now. thanks for the heads-up...

and thank you, GLP. for the pin!

thank you all, for your contributions to this thread. we're all just trying to hang in there and connect the dots...

Wasayo
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Too late for containment
"At this time, containment is not a feasible option," as the virus has already spread to several other countries, said WHO Assistant Director-General Keiji Fukuda.

Putting an alert at phases 4 or 5 signals that the virus is becoming increasingly adept at spreading among humans. That move could lead governments to set trade, travel and other restrictions aimed at limiting its spread.
[link to www.msnbc.msn.com]

I really do not think that this is a joke.
googled and found a big list of school closings, it is getting longer.
Mexico City government said it was considering a complete shutdown, including all public transportation, if the death toll keeps rising
They do not know the exact location that caused the flu, just know that is it spreading fast.
Pork products not the cause, but if you take a look at bioterrorism, infect the human and send it on out to infect.
A human carrier can bypass security systems and travel.

Some countries plan to quarantine
Russia, Hong Kong and Taiwan said they would quarantine visitors showing symptoms of the virus amid global fears of a pandemic, an epidemic spread over a large area, either a region or worldwide.
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Can't find the other thread on glp about Japan sending everyone home, but this article is from 2007, read it and tell me that this was not planned.

In 2004 a 17-year-old boy in the Japanese town of Gero suddenly ran out of his home and into the middle of a busy street, where he was struck and killed by a truck. In 2005 a 14-year-old boy Chiryu got out of bed, climbed the wall outside his parent's ninth-floor apartment and dropped from the edge. And last month, in two separate incidents, a 14-year old male and a 14-year old female fell to their deaths from their respective high-rise apartment buildings. No one left a suicide note.

What they have in common is that each victim took the influenza antiviral Tamiflu shortly before they died. According to the Japanese Health Ministry, 54 people have died after taking Tamiflu — the drug governments around the world have stockpiled for use against avian flu — since the drug was approved for use in Japan in 2000. Most suspiciously, in multiple cases people, including those cases above, acted erratically after taking Tamiflu. Though the Health Ministry has said there is no clear evidence linking Tamiflu to the deaths, there is growing concern among doctors and parents in Japan over the drug's possible side effects. That is potential cause for concern in the rest of the world, because in the absence of a vaccine, Tamiflu will be the drug of first and last resort in the event of a pandemic.
The anti-Tamiflu forces in Japan are led by Dr. Rokuro Hama, an epidemiologist and internal medicine specialist who heads the Japan Institute of Pharmacovigilance, a medical industry watchdog. Hama believes that Tamiflu can directly cause temporary neurological disorders in a small percentage of users — especially young people. That can lead to abnormal behavior, such as a seemingly happy, healthy teenager suddenly deciding to leap off a high-rise apartment building. Hama also notes that the Tamiflu doses taken in Japan can be as much as 10 times greater than the normal amount taken in the U.S., which could aggravate the side effects. "There is no possibility whatsoever" that there could be another cause behind the Tamiflu deaths, says Hama. "Ultimately it should be taken off the market."

But according to the Japanese Health Ministry — and the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) — the side effects that Hama has seen are more likely caused by influenza itself. In rare juvenile cases influenza can cause brain inflammation — encephalitis — that can lead to neuropsychiatric events. In fact, it was in Japan in the mid-1990s that pediatricians first began reporting such cases, which led to intense nationwide surveillance of pediatric influenza.

Hama notes, however, that it was around that same time that Tamiflu became widely used in the country. (Tamiflu is taken far more often here than in any other country; Japanese doctors prescribed the drug 24.5 million times between 2001 and 2005,compared to just 6.5 million prescriptions in the U.S.) Cases that included neurological side effects seemed to spike at the same time that Tamiflu prescriptions rose in Japan. Nevertheless, it is possible that the side effects accompanied the disease and that more such extreme cases were seen because doctors were looking harder.

That hypothesis was bolstered by a Ministry of Health study last year that investigated 2,800 influenza cases and found that virtually the same percentage of victims showed abnormal behavior whether or not they had taken Tamiflu. Still, the recent spate of suspicious deaths was enough for the ministry late last month to issue a general warning that influenza can cause psychiatric problems. For its part the FDA last autumn reviewed 103 cases of neuropsychiatric events associated with Tamiflu use — 95% of the cases came from Japan — and concluded that it could not conclude whether the events were due to the drug, to influenza or some combination of the two. But the FDA did point out that the sudden suicide attempts seen in Japan were quite unlike most cases of influenza-induced delirium, and registered concern that there could be a spike in neuropsychiatric events in the U.S. if American usage of Tamiflu eventually matched the levels seen in Japan.

The FDA has required Roche, the Swiss company that makes the drug, to put a caution on Tamiflu labels urging patients, doctors and parents to look out for strange behavior in anyone taking Tamiflu. Roche accepted the label change but, said a spokesperson, �these events are extremely rare in relation to the number of patients treated.� The company reiterates that none of the cases were linked to Tamiflu.

If Tamiflu were only needed for normal, seasonal influenza, this debate wouldn't matter outside Japan. In most Western countries Tamiflu, which can speed up recovery from the flu by a day or so at most, has barely been used. It's only been in prescription drug-happy Japan, where the government effectively made Tamiflu free, that the drug became popular before bird flu made it a household word. But because Tamiflu has been one of the few drugs to show effectiveness against H5N1 avian flu, it has become the key pharmacological component in international pandemic preparation plans. If a pandemic were to strike tomorrow, tens of millions of people could soon be given Tamiflu. So while it is unlikely that the drug will be withheld due to the nebulous concerns out of Japan, the uncertainty only adds to the long list of worries that scientists, bureaucrats and politicians must prepare for in case of catastrophe.
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What are we told about the normal flu season?


Scientists at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have successfully reconstructed the influenza virus strain responsible for the 1918 pandemic, a project that greatly advances preparedness efforts for the next pandemic.

“This groundbreaking research helps unlock the mystery of the 1918 flu pandemic and is critically important in our efforts to prepare for pandemic influenza,” said CDC Director Dr. Julie Gerberding. “We need to know much more about pandemic influenza viruses. Research such as this helps us understand what makes some influenza viruses more harmful than others. It also provides us information that may help us identify, early on, influenza viruses that could cause a pandemic.”

The work, done in collaboration with Mount Sinai School of Medicine, the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology and Southeast Poultry Research Laboratory, determined the set of genes in the 1918 virus that made it so harmful. Prior to this study, which is published in the Oct. 7 issue of Science, flu experts had little knowledge of what made the 1918 pandemic so much more deadly than the 1957 and 1968 pandemics. This week’s issue of Nature also includes a related article entitled “Characterization of the 1918 influenza virus polymerase genes” which describes the final three gene sequences of the 1918 influenza virus. The work reported in the Nature article was done by scientists at the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology.

The 1918 pandemic killed an estimated 20-50 million people worldwide, including 675,000 in the United States. The pandemic’s most striking feature was its unusually high death rate among otherwise healthy people aged 15-34. During normal seasonal flu outbreaks, severe complications and death are most common among the elderly and young children.

Influenza pandemics occur when a new strain emerges to which people have little or no immunity. Most experts believe another pandemic will occur, but it is impossible to predict which strain will emerge as the next pandemic strain, when it will occur or how severe it will be.

“By identifying the characteristics that made the 1918 influenza virus so harmful, we have information that will help us develop new vaccines and treatments,” said Dr. Terrence Tumpey, the CDC senior microbiologist who recreated the virus. “Influenza viruses are constantly evolving, and that means our science needs to evolve if we want to protect as many people as possible from pandemic influenza.”

In reconstructing the 1918 influenza virus, researchers learned which genes were responsible for making the virus so harmful. This is an important advance for preparedness efforts because knowing which genes are responsible for causing severe illness helps scientists develop new drugs and vaccines (e.g., they can focus their research on those genes).

CDC employed stringent biosafety and biosecurity precautions during research on the 1918 influenza virus. The work was done in a high containment Biosafety Level 3 lab with enhancements that include special provisions to protect both laboratory workers and the public from exposure to the virus. Currently available antiviral drugs have been shown to be effective against influenza viruses similar to the 1918 influenza virus.

All laboratory work was conducted at CDC. The work was supported in part with funding from the U.S. Department of Agriculture and the National Institutes of Health.

To evaluate the benefits of publishing the information contained in these manuscripts and any potential threat from its possible deliberate misuse, both manuscripts were reviewed by the National Science Advisory Board on Biosecurity (NSABB). The NSABB advises the federal government on strategies for the conduct and communication of research that might yield information or technologies that could be misused to threaten public health or national security. The Board was unanimous in its determination that it was critically important to make these findings available to the scientific community at large to not only validate their significance, but also permit further research on the development of diagnostic tests, treatments, and preventative measures.

For a joint statement from Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases at the National Institutes of Health and Dr. Julie Gerberding, director of CDC, please visit [link to www3.niaid.nih.gov]

[link to www.cdc.gov]
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Thread: ***IT WAS DELIBERATE: Baxter International Inc. shipped bird flu to 18 countries in March***

You all want to take a look at this post. Ties this all up neat and "clean?"
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wow good find wasayo...

this was obviously an engineering virus.

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If it's anything like Fort Detrick, CDC has moles just waiting to steal and release whatever toxic soup their scientists come up with.
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You'll never get all of them, even if you could someone will just make a new mole.
Holy cow! It's the woowoo patrol!
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This is the beginning of the disinformation mode. The expected results are FEAR. The influenza is real. The perpatrators are the unknown. This will take some time to sift through. Their goal is confusion. Tamiflu or Fluvac? I wouldn't trust the pharmaceuticals. Instead do all you can to boost your immune system. Be careful not to fall for the propaganda.
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just neti-pot it
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Could several strains have been released?
Test which ones could kill? Human subjects could become immune to certain types?
Just thought I'd toss that out.
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Hats off to you, Wasayo for finding this one!
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I feel kind of sorry for the CDC.

If they don't prepare for a pandemic by studying potential viruses, they're either negligent or purposely handicapping their own preparations as part of a conspiracy to kill everyone.

If they do studies to understand how a pandemic would spread, then the studies are proof that they're engineering a virus as part of a conspiracy to kill everyone.
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watch the movie V for vendetta.
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Here's a strange headline:

Bottles explode with swine influenza virus in Switzerland, ruled out risks
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Whoa...
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Sars, Avian, Swine and many more coming to be sure. Yes several strains are being tested on various genetic pools not only to find the highest virulency but also to test infrastructure response and the critical threshold of populace obedience. It's also an experiment in cutting the population of the planet in a profitable way (be a good little citizen and pay dearly for the medicine only TPTB can provide) from over 6 billion down to a more managable number for our controllers to rule over.

PS. The medicines will allways include a susceptibility factor for the next virus. Never had a flu shot, never will.

Aint "civilization" just a peach? lol.
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Sars, Avian, Swine and many more coming to be sure. Yes several strains are being tested on various genetic pools not only to find the highest virulency but also to test infrastructure response and the critical threshold of populace obedience. It's also an experiment in cutting the population of the planet in a profitable way (be a good little citizen and pay dearly for the medicine only TPTB can provide) from over 6 billion down to a more managable number for our controllers to rule over.

PS. The medicines will allways include a susceptibility factor for the next virus. Never had a flu shot, never will.

Aint "civilization" just a peach? lol.
 Quoting: EyeAm 652590

How right you are.
NaturalNews) There's a popular medical thriller novel in which a global pandemic is intentionally set off by an evil plot designed to reduce the human population. In the book, a nefarious drug company inserts live avian flu viruses into vaccine materials that are distributed to countries around the world to be injected into patients as "flu shots." Those patients then become carriers for these highly-virulent strains of avian flu which go on to infect the world population and cause widespread death.

There's only one problem with this story: It's not fiction. Or, at least, the part about live avian flu viruses being inserted into vaccine materials isn't fiction. It's happening right now.

Deerfield, Illinois-based pharmaceutical company Baxter International Inc. has just been caught shipping live avian flu viruses mixed with vaccine material to medical distributors in 18 countries. The "mistake" (if you can call it that, see below...) was discovered by the National Microbiology Laboratory in Canada. The World Health Organization was alerted and panic spread throughout the vaccine community as health experts asked the obvious question: How could this have happened?

As published on LifeGen.de ( [link to www.lifegen.de] serious questions like this are being raised:

"Baxter International Inc. in Austria 'unintentionally contaminated samples with the bird flu virus that were used in laboratories in 3 neighbouring countries, raising concern about the potential spread of the deadly disease'. Austria, Germany, Slowenia and the Czech Republic - these are the countries in which labs were hit with dangerous viruses. Not by bioterrorist commandos, but by Baxter. In other words: One of the major global pharmaceutical players seems to have lost control over a virus which is considered by many virologists to be one of the components leading some day to a new pandemic."

Or, put another way, Baxter is acting a whole lot like a biological terrorism organization these days, sending deadly viral samples around the world. If you mail an envelope full of anthrax to your Senator, you get arrested as a terrorist. So why is Baxter -- which mailed samples of a far more deadly viral strain to labs around the world -- getting away with saying, essentially, "Oops?"

But there's a bigger question in all this: How could this company have accidentally mixed LIVE avian flu viruses (both H5N1 and H3N2, the human form) in this vaccine material?



Was the viral contamination intentional?
The shocking answer is that this couldn't have been an accident. Why? Because Baxter International adheres to something called BSL3 (Biosafety Level 3) - a set of laboratory safety protocols that prevent the cross-contamination of materials.

As explained on Wikipedia ( [link to en.wikipedia.org]

"Laboratory personnel have specific training in handling pathogenic and potentially lethal agents, and are supervised by competent scientists who are experienced in working with these agents. This is considered a neutral or warm zone. All procedures involving the manipulation of infectious materials are conducted within biological safety cabinets or other physical containment devices, or by personnel wearing appropriate personal protective clothing and equipment. The laboratory has special engineering and design features."
[link to www.naturalnews.com]
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Look at THIS!
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interesting.
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Could several strains have been released?
Test which ones could kill? Human subjects could become immune to certain types?
Just thought I'd toss that out.
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Absolutely. In fact, watch the documentary "The Corporation". It's a study of Corporate psycopathy and in it Monsanto and other Multinational Conglomerates were shown to be patenting the Newfoundland gene-pool due to unique immune-response in their biology. Hardy folks those Newfies. Damn hard workers too and wiley as foxes.
EyeAm, you.

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bump for history lessons.

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