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What really happened at the Pirate/Hostage situation last week- From a navy seal!!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 606919 United States 04/20/2009 06:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What really happened at the Pirate/Hostage situation last week- From a navy seal!!!  From a former Squid: Having spoken to some SEAL pals here in Virginia Beach yesterday and asking why this thing dragged out for 4 days, I got the following:
1. BHO wouldn't authorize the DEVGRU/NSWC SEAL teams to the scene for 36 hours going against OSC (on scene commander) recommendation. 2. Once they arrived, BHO imposed restrictions on their ROE that they couldn't do anything unless the hostage's life was in "imminent" danger 3. The first time the hostage jumped, the SEALS ha d the raggies all sighted in, but could not fire due to ROE restriction 4. When the navy RIB came under fire as it approached with supplies, no fire was returned due to ROE restrictions. As the raggies were shooting at the RIB, they were exposed and the SEALS had them all dialed in. 5. BHO specifically denied two rescue plans developed by the Bainbridge CPN and SEAL teams 6. Bainbridge CPN and SEAL te am CDR finally decide they have the OpArea and OSC authority to solely determine risk to hostage. 4 hours later, 3 dead raggies 7. BHO immediately claims credit for his "daring and decisive" behaviour. As usual with him, it's BS.
So per our last email thread, I'm downgrading Oohbaby's performace to D-. Only reason it's not an F is that the hostage survived.
Read the following accurate account.
Philips’ first leap into the warm, dark water of the Indian Ocean hadn’t worked out as well. With the Bainbridge in range and a rescue by his country’s Navy possible, Philips threw himself off of his lifeboat prison, enabling Navy shooters onboard the destroyer a clear shot at his captors — and none was taken.
The guidance from National Command Authority — the president of the United States, Barack Obama — had been clear: a peaceful solution was the only acceptable outcome to this standoff unless the hostage’s life was in clear, extreme danger.
The next day, a20small Navy boat approaching the floating raft was fired on by the Somali pirates — and again no fire was returned and no pirates killed. This was again due to the cautious stance assumed by Navy personnel thanks to the combination of a lack of clear guidance from Washington and a mandate from the commander in chief’s staff not to act until Obama, a man with no background of dealing with such issues and no tr ack record of decisiveness, decided that any outcome other than a “peaceful solution” would be acceptable.
After taking fire from the Somali kidnappers again Saturday night, the on scene commander decided he’d had enough.
Keeping his authority to act in the case of a clear and present danger to the hostage’s life and having heard nothing from Washington since yet another request to mount a rescue operation had been denied the day before, the Navy officer — unnamed in all media reports to date — decided the AK47 one captor had leveled at Philips’ back was a threat to the hostage’s life and ordered the NSWC team to take their shots.
Three rounds downrange later, all three brigands became enemy KIA and Philips was safe.
There is upside, downside, and spinside to the series of events over the last week that culminated in yesterday’s dramatic rescue of an American hostage.
Almost immediately following word of the rescue, the Obama administration and its supporters cla imed victory against pirates in the Indian Ocean and [1] declared that the dramatic end to the standoff put paid to questions of the inexperienced president’s toughness and decisiveness.
Despite the Obama administration’s (and its sycophants’) attempt to spin yesterday’s success as a result of bold, decisive leadership by the inexperienced president, the reality is nothing of the sort. What should have been=2 0a standoff lasting only hours — as long as it took the USS Bainbridge and its team of NSWC operators to steam to the location — became an embarrassing four day and counting standoff between a ragtag handful of criminals with rifles and a U.S. Navy warship. |
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User ID: 656436 Australia 04/20/2009 06:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What really happened at the Pirate/Hostage situation last week- From a navy seal!!! I hear the sound of sour grapes being trodden underfoot "It was curious to think that the sky was the same for everybody, in Eurasia or Eastasia as well as here. And the people under the sky were also very much the same--everywhere, all over the world, hundreds or thousands of millions of people just like this, people ignorant of one another's existence, held apart by walls of hatred and lies, and yet almost exactly the same--people who had never learned to think but were storing up in their hearts and bellies and muscles the power that would one day overturn the world." - George Orwell, 1984 [ link to thesecrettempleofit.blogspot.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 591777 United States 04/20/2009 06:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What really happened at the Pirate/Hostage situation last week- From a navy seal!!! a peaceful solution was the only acceptable outcome to this standoff unless the hostage’s life was in clear, extreme danger.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 606919that sounds like some sissy people with non-intervention rules i know..."don't do anything unless in extreme and imminent deadly threateningly danger" ... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 658189 United States 04/20/2009 06:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What really happened at the Pirate/Hostage situation last week- From a navy seal!!! What's a BHO? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 591777 United States 04/20/2009 06:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What really happened at the Pirate/Hostage situation last week- From a navy seal!!! oh and op: :bsflag::horn: |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 591777 United States 04/20/2009 06:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What really happened at the Pirate/Hostage situation last week- From a navy seal!!! What's a BHO?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 658189initials of potus |
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anon User ID: 656580 United States 04/20/2009 06:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What really happened at the Pirate/Hostage situation last week- From a navy seal!!! That SEAL is one popular guy- every one keeps getting that email forwarded from his friends.
I'd wait for a more reliable source before you bet the farm. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 648269 United States 04/20/2009 06:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What really happened at the Pirate/Hostage situation last week- From a navy seal!!! NO link, YOU fucking stink!!
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 660888 United States 04/20/2009 06:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What really happened at the Pirate/Hostage situation last week- From a navy seal!!! The OP is propaganda to claim the feds need more power to act against foreign countries in police actions.
What really happened:
It was a psy-op
The pirates were paid a heafty ransome. They were back in business the next day with new crimes. Sharp shooters can't shoot on the oceans at any distance.
There's a pirate in the WH. |
DaJavoo
User ID: 655922 United Arab Emirates 04/20/2009 06:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What really happened at the Pirate/Hostage situation last week- From a navy seal!!! Thanks for posting, Opie!
Glad this surfaced. It was suspected by anyone who has known Navy SEALS.
No prisoners.:DJrebelli: |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 656632 United States 04/20/2009 06:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What really happened at the Pirate/Hostage situation last week- From a navy seal!!! A BHO is a Black Homo Official. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 660649 Canada 04/20/2009 06:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What really happened at the Pirate/Hostage situation last week- From a navy seal!!! i just think it's hilarious that the potus has a name like barack hossein obama... HAHAHAH and ppl still wonder why all the supposed public gaffes.... they're all laughing at you from their nation of islam offices.
hilarious shit! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 659442 United States 04/20/2009 06:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What really happened at the Pirate/Hostage situation last week- From a navy seal!!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 659442 United States 04/20/2009 06:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What really happened at the Pirate/Hostage situation last week- From a navy seal!!! No source. No evidence. Straight to pin. Wow this is getting worse than Another Top Site. |
snark
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User ID: 572354 United States 04/20/2009 06:46 PM
Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What really happened at the Pirate/Hostage situation last week- From a navy seal!!! I totally believe this account. We have a red-diaper pussy for a president. T For Texas, T For Tennessee!
The virtue of courage is a prerequisite for the practice of all other virtues, because otherwise one is virtuous only when virtue has no cost. There are times when something needs to be done, and yet we know that if we step up and do this needful thing, we will pay a heavy personal price. -C.S. Lewis |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 626153 United States 04/20/2009 06:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What really happened at the Pirate/Hostage situation last week- From a navy seal!!! This just goes to show that tactical decisions should be made by commanders who are actually there, not some asshole sitting in a desk chair thousands of miles away. |
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MaMa User ID: 520895 United States 04/20/2009 07:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What really happened at the Pirate/Hostage situation last week- From a navy seal!!! OP writes like someone from UK |
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User ID: 265661 United States 04/20/2009 07:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What really happened at the Pirate/Hostage situation last week- From a navy seal!!! Thread: Somali Hostage Standoff Email - FWIW just because you are first doesnt mean you get the pin oh well "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves, in the course of time, a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." - Frédéric Bastiat
food, water, ammo, weapons, battery back up solar, hand well pump, wood stove and 1 year of food...oh yeah PM's too...good luck |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 656532 United States 04/20/2009 07:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What really happened at the Pirate/Hostage situation last week- From a navy seal!!! I totally believe this account. We have a red-diaper pussy for a president.
Quoting: snarkThat doesn't sound good. |
Fool User ID: 653299 Canada 04/20/2009 07:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What really happened at the Pirate/Hostage situation last week- From a navy seal!!! I believe that Obama would want a peaceful solution since he's a moron
Then again, this whole Somali pirates fear mongering is skewed/distorted out of proportion |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 561529 United Kingdom 04/20/2009 07:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What really happened at the Pirate/Hostage situation last week- From a navy seal!!! OP writes like someone from UK
Quoting: MaMa 520895I take offence at that, unless of course you really mean England ..... lol |
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Garbage Collector User ID: 660894 United States 04/20/2009 07:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What really happened at the Pirate/Hostage situation last week- From a navy seal!!! unsubstantiated rubbish |
tim AKA Jarhead User ID: 392895 United States 04/20/2009 07:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What really happened at the Pirate/Hostage situation last week- From a navy seal!!! Sounds totally plausible. Those pirates could have been taken out a half dozen times, if the SEALS had a green light from the get go. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 626807 United States 04/20/2009 07:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What really happened at the Pirate/Hostage situation last week- From a navy seal!!! Its takes time for the opinion polls to come back from Europe and to input the 'PC' statements into the teleprompters.
Gotta give Barry extra time. He is a little slow. |
anonymous User ID: 660678 United States 04/20/2009 07:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What really happened at the Pirate/Hostage situation last week- From a navy seal!!! obami has no military experiance at all.so it shows when these things come up.. obami needs to let the military do what they do best and that is rescue the hostages.... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 639248 United States 04/20/2009 07:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What really happened at the Pirate/Hostage situation last week- From a navy seal!!! BUMP
Can anyone explain the INITIALS 3 letter initials used throughout...reads to me like a real report, clear, concise, and labels to all relevant ships/leaders/commanders...
Anyone? |
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anonymous User ID: 660678 United States 04/20/2009 07:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What really happened at the Pirate/Hostage situation last week- From a navy seal!!! The OP is propaganda to claim the feds need more power to act against foreign countries in police actions.
What really happened:
It was a psy-op
The pirates were paid a heafty ransome. They were back in business the next day with new crimes. Sharp shooters can't shoot on the oceans at any distance.
There's a pirate in the WH.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 660888i think u have a point. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 476405 United States 04/20/2009 07:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What really happened at the Pirate/Hostage situation last week- From a navy seal!!! Bullshit.
This is another lie being spread by the Obama haters - you know, the Republican strategists that trying to get themselves back into power by tricking the stupid people with made up crap.
Same old crap. Lies to keep the faithful riled up. Propaganda that the stupid can't see through. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 660786 United Kingdom 04/20/2009 07:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What really happened at the Pirate/Hostage situation last week- From a navy seal!!! Sounds totally plausible. Those pirates could have been taken out a half dozen times, if the SEALS had a green light from the get go.
Quoting: tim AKA Jarhead 392895yup |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 522593 United States 04/20/2009 07:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What really happened at the Pirate/Hostage situation last week- From a navy seal!!! That SEAL is one popular guy- every one keeps getting that email forwarded from his friends.
I'd wait for a more reliable source before you bet the farm.
Quoting: anon 656580Actually, it makes perfect sense. It explains why they didn't kill the scumbags when Phillips made his escape attempt. And why the media kept repeating how the "pirate had an AK47 to Phillips' back so they decide to take action". BHO ROE. It explains it all. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 585795 United States 04/20/2009 08:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What really happened at the Pirate/Hostage situation last week- From a navy seal!!! Damn, it was the same exact story. Musta known the same source. |
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