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MSNBC: Should Texas leave the union?

 
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I'm from Texas and a distant cousin with the same surname died at the Alamo.

Before Texas became a state, Mexicans were still invading and the Comanches were still rampaging. Even the Germans were plotting to take over Texas. During the Civil War, the comanches pushed back the frontier 100-150 miles. It was the FEDERAL army that stopped the Comanches after the Civil War.

Not sure Texas could handle things even now considering the types of ignorant yahoos we have here. Yes, the western half of it is a jackalope wildlife refuge.

Before Texas became a state it WAS Mexico! DIMWIT!And it was France,and Spain,and Confederate States of America,And the nation known as TEXAS.GO READ YOUR HISTORY!
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He can't. Along with civics, in Texas, Texas history is no longer taught. You should see the one line they gave it in my son's text book.
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Texas is a giant sage-brush infested dust bowl folks. There are a few nice areas, but most of it is nada, zip, squat and diddly. If you think you're going to be able to just find a nice little homestead in the New Republic of Texas, you've never been there.

I think they should be allowed to leave and all of their ancestors who fought to preserve the union can just haunt the haughty jack-alopes till hell freezes over



You seem to be the most ridiculous of them all. If thats what you think of Texas then YOU have obviously never been here, or you lived up in the Midland/Permian Basin area.

And to the other poster, yes, we can become our own country without having to abide by the laws of the US. We have before and can again


I have indeed been to Texas many times.
Yea, go and make yourself a new republic...try making it on your own like you did 150 years ago on cattle ranching. Back then your population was in the thousands not the millions and you don't have the resourses to feed everyone there.
Just remember that as a foreign country you no longer have the rights and protection of the US.

Does that mean we have to give back Forts Hood,Sam Houston,Randolph,brooks,Lackland,Kelly(These bases combined are bigger than many states)AFB,The space shuttle,NASA,General Dynamics,The Alamo,Dell,Willie and the boys-----?????? Plus we were once France! :5:
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And you would no longer be US citizens. And what about people on social security since your no longer a US citizen I would say Texas would be fucked big time .In one year Texas might look like Mexico .
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I am a 4th generation Texan. My Great Grandfather brought his family here right after the Civil War to escape the Yankees who were hunting down certain Confederate solders.
I am proud to be a Texan and I cherish my family history and my States history.

Texas has contributed much to the United States of America both economically and politically. We are a proud people. When a foreigner ask a Texan "where are you from?" the answer is usually "Texas" , not "The USA".

As long as Texas is in a mutually beneficial relationship with Washington D.C., then there will be no problems. However, if things continue to deteriorate and Washington continues to screw us, well then Succession is not out of the realm of possibilities.

Texas is one of the few States in the Union that even has a remote chance of going it alone. We control the majority of oil, High Tech, food production and medicine, just to name a few. We still have a strong economy and our State is not about to go bankrupt.

This Poll that says 75% of Texans wish to stay in the Union is probably true. We have not felt the effects of the recession/depression like other parts of the country. However, if the rest of the Union starts to go down in flames, because of the irresponsible politicians in D.C.,and it starts to drag Texas down, then I guarantee you that we Texans will take matters into our own hands.

DON'T MESS WITH TEXAS!
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YES WE SHOULD! It would solve all our problems.
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Mexico will just end up annexing Texas or at least half of it once it secedes.
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You have it backwards. Texas will end up taking over Mexico and all their factories. We will then tell business they can set up shop in the portion of Texas formerly known as Mexico, have all kinds of tax breaks, and all the cheap labor they can stand. Ill be sure to only buy Texan and we can export all the rest to what is left of the US for inflated prices. If what is left of the US screws with us we will just cut off their gasoline supply until they get back in line.
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Many Texans are total jerks. They are loud, obnoxious and while visiting other states often extremely rude. living in a state near them i have seen my fill of this behavior. They are welcome in my book to form their own country as long as they need a passport to get into the states AND they don't enjoy the rights of citizenship of the US in any way.
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such bs.

i live and go to school in texas and yea, the governer is a douche but the people arent.
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Yes, anything comes out Ric Perry\'s mouth is suspect. He is, afterall, a globalist. The idea of secession, however, is not scripted. Perry is just manipulating and being an opportunist, much like Fox and the neocons glomming onto the tea parties, which orginated with Ron Paul supporters, who the establishments hates.

If Texas were to secede, it would not merge with Mexico. The feds would be out of the picture and Texas would be free to kick Mexico\'s ass.

They day there is free and independent Republic of Texas, I\'m moving there.
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All the states that believe the nazu right should leave.

May they all rot in their own shit.
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PLEASE go this thread to see just what MSNBC thinks of you

MSNBC/Janeane Garafolo - a new low: Why America will NEVER unite
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Does anyone smell a Bush behind this secession idea ?
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PLEASE go this thread to see just what MSNBC thinks of you

MSNBC/Janeane Garafolo - a new low: Why America will NEVER unite
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Thread: MSNBC/Janeane Garafolo - a new low: Why America will NEVER unite
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(I don't have a link, this was on the radio)
They said Texas could leave the union within a WEEK!
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The first united States was a confederation of 13 indepenant soverign Nations. Texas is not unique in that place.

What many people don't seem to realize is that the full unmitigated power of a soverign State is far more capable of becomeing totalitarin than a confederation of such States could ever be.

Tyranny is not limited National Governments. Give a State full soverign power and it has the same ability of becoming totalitarian as any national government in that by being fully soverign it is but a Nation, Republic or otherwise, still a Nation.

The best setup perhaps would be one in which the City limits were as political firewalls, the Countries as another teir of political firewall, the State borders still another teir of political firewall, and all being firewalls from the unlimited potential abuses of a one world central government.

It is much the same as cheifdoms being a lower teir of kingdoms which are but a lower teir of empires which are but another teir of a general "consensus" world government.

The political question remains that of a balance of powers amongst the various entities. At the bottom tier is the individual and next up the family, after that possibly the extended family to tribe.

Should Texas leave the Union? That depends on whether it really is a union or has become as an organic whole. We all know that divorces can be a real bitch to go through for both parties. The forces of American Nationalism are such that the State's Rights as if they had agreed to retain all full soverignity are in fact the greatest internal enemy of any full blown Nationalist movement. But what is a State's Rights and State Soverignity movement but yet another form of Nationalism?

Would any state be so complaining if its people (resident "citizens") were taxed federally only 10% of what ever income tax that State decided to impose?

The very second the States surrendered their full soverignity to the federal entity in those powers enumerated to the federal central government in the US Consitution those States gave up their soverignty, passing it over to where they had agreed to live under the umbrella of the US Consitution. Things were remarkably different under the Articles of Confederation. And I am not purposing that we return to those Articles as the States of the USA would find very quickly that they needed to reunite in some part for their common defense.

The enemies of the Nation would love to see succession, the enemies of the republics of the USA would love to see it as well. But that does not presuppose that those powers not granted to the central government by the US Constitution should be assumed by it any more than those powers reserved to the People (individually and collectively) should be assumed by the State. The problem remains that the collective no matter its size is nearly always capable of destroying the individual's power base whenever it deems it necessary for the "greater good", the "collective good".

The effort of any government is to hold on to its power base and not allow a new collective makeup to be formed other than the ones it has learned how to control by controlling what is seen to be popular public opinion. What the real and honest public opinion really is is anybodies guess.
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Does anyone smell a Bush behind this secession idea ?
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Nope. Hijacking and manipulation by Rick Perry, yes. There are about thirty states with serious secession movements. Last I checked, freedom means charting your won destiny. The federal government is out of control and has made We the People the enemy. Thomas Jefferson left us some wise words about what to do about that.
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YES !! so should every other state . tell the feds to F off and the people will be free of communist rule.
Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
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Does anyone smell a Bush behind this secession idea ?



Nope. Hijacking and manipulation by Rick Perry, yes. There are about thirty states with serious secession movements. Last I checked, freedom means charting your won destiny. The federal government is out of control and has made We the People the enemy. Thomas Jefferson left us some wise words about what to do about that.
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Yes, my Uncle Tom was a very bright man.

Couldn't help but think out loud about the Bush. And, I also agree that Rick Perry is only trying to hijack a movement that has nothing to do with him, or his political ambitions.
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Mexico will just end up annexing Texas or at least half of it once it secedes.
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LMAO, wow the ignorance. You obviously know JACK SHIT about Texas.

Last census put Texas population at 23,000,000+.
If just 1 in 23 people owns a gun, that's 1,000,000 armed citizens.

This is Texas though and it's likely that the number of gun owners exceeds 1 in 23 people. The ones with multiple guns probably have a circle of friends who they would also share guns with.

Born and raised Texans wouldn't think twice about shooting and killing a Mexican Invader in such a circumstance.
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Poll shows only 18% of Texans back secession; Governor backpedals
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Here's the link btw if anyone doesn't want to believe it:
[link to rawstory.com]
I am here to challenge your indoctrinated false belief that flaming queens don't use shovels ...
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Does anyone smell a Bush behind this secession idea ?



Nope. Hijacking and manipulation by Rick Perry, yes. There are about thirty states with serious secession movements. Last I checked, freedom means charting your won destiny. The federal government is out of control and has made We the People the enemy. Thomas Jefferson left us some wise words about what to do about that.
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there are about 30 states who want to make their useless eater population someone else's problem. 30 little christian theocracies and an abbot of citeaux to rule them all. should be good comedy when the bible nazis start imposing on the plebes.
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there's a point when the cons outweigh the pros of any situation. and texas is just at about that point with the usa imo.

I doubt most Texans feel that way.


I live in Texas and the last few days have made a stink by daring to fax the White House, Ron Pauls office, the FDIC, and this is the short list! Chase Bank, and Credit One Bank(among others) are applying fees to small account holders; siezing funds they claim as fees, social security checks(which is a felony)marking fees as "merchandise" and "transactions" on the bill so it reflects a purchase instead of a fee. This has been ongoing since o8' but ESCALATED AFTER the bail out! The reporting agency told me themselves a)the complaints are in the 10's of thousands, b)it is small accounts and they are wiped out c)they can't do anything---but here's a list to report the instances to!
I make $1000.00 (1) payment a month, they took $800.00 out of my deposit..I have three kids and we litterally went hungry. I turned in the error on the statement, the deposit slip, the whole nine yards, indisputably it was an accounting error. But they have a policy--screw you!
Credit One just made the mistake of refusing a)to keep an agreement made by its own customer service b)refusing to remove a $29.00 fee for a $6.00 fee! I canceled them too.

Quite simply, I usually only use a card for emergencies. That is the way it is supposed to be. However these companies want you to pay monthly, so that they can add a monthly fee, plus a late feeif you dont pay the first fee on time. This is because they report the fee as income. In fact it is nearly 75% of their income--is unjustified "late fees" GARNISHED through what is commonly refered to as "creative accounting"(the fee of the fee...)
Chase just reported a $2.5? billion dollar first quarter PROFIT


They are raping the millions of Texans who simply don't make high wages. That little fee will literally lead to starvation of a great majority of working class poor--the majority of Texas. So I'm not so sure if standing up and saying "Look, we can't follow these crooks and call it leadership" then we might just have to say that vodoo word "secession". We might have to take a stand and say no. It usually involves a fight, either verbally or otherwise.

But the point is simply this, "if one man jumps off a cliff, do you jump too?"
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Compass bank does this.Put your money in Frost bank of San Antonio.They have integrity.
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Mexico will just end up annexing Texas or at least half of it once it secedes.


LMAO, wow the ignorance. You obviously know JACK SHIT about Texas.

Last census put Texas population at 23,000,000+.
If just 1 in 23 people owns a gun, that's 1,000,000 armed citizens.

This is Texas though and it's likely that the number of gun owners exceeds 1 in 23 people. The ones with multiple guns probably have a circle of friends who they would also share guns with.

Born and raised Texans wouldn't think twice about shooting and killing a Mexican Invader in such a circumstance.
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armies run on their stomach , not how many guns you have , moron. do some kindergarden level tactical and logistics reading . before opening your come receptacle , you stupid bitch
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I'm from Texas and a distant cousin with the same surname died at the Alamo.

Before Texas became a state, Mexicans were still invading and the Comanches were still rampaging. Even the Germans were plotting to take over Texas. During the Civil War, the comanches pushed back the frontier 100-150 miles. It was the FEDERAL army that stopped the Comanches after the Civil War.

Not sure Texas could handle things even now considering the types of ignorant yahoos we have here. Yes, the western half of it is a jackalope wildlife refuge.

Before Texas became a state it WAS Mexico! DIMWIT!And it was France,and Spain,and Confederate States of America,And the nation known as TEXAS.GO READ YOUR HISTORY!



He can't. Along with civics, in Texas, Texas history is no longer taught. You should see the one line they gave it in my son's text book.
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The inbred goons that control the school textbook curriculum in Texas will be the first to be tarred and feathered.
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The Union should leave Texas chuckle
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But first, last, and always, I am an American Soldier. Sworn to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, both foreign and domestic.
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Mexico will just end up annexing Texas or at least half of it once it secedes.


LMAO, wow the ignorance. You obviously know JACK SHIT about Texas.

Last census put Texas population at 23,000,000+.
If just 1 in 23 people owns a gun, that's 1,000,000 armed citizens.

This is Texas though and it's likely that the number of gun owners exceeds 1 in 23 people. The ones with multiple guns probably have a circle of friends who they would also share guns with.

Born and raised Texans wouldn't think twice about shooting and killing a Mexican Invader in such a circumstance.



armies run on their stomach , not how many guns you have , moron. do some kindergarden level tactical and logistics reading . before opening your come receptacle , you stupid bitch
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We grow quite a bit of the corn running out of that cornhole you somehow manage to speak with.We feed a lot of it to our superior cattle stock.We sell the soy to girly boys like you.Our agricultural potential is the size of many little states.Burp. Oh excuse me. Not braggin',just fact.
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I am a 4th generation Texan. My Great Grandfather brought his family here right after the Civil War to escape the Yankees who were hunting down certain Confederate solders.
I am proud to be a Texan and I cherish my family history and my States history.

Texas has contributed much to the United States of America both economically and politically. We are a proud people. When a foreigner ask a Texan "where are you from?" the answer is usually "Texas" , not "The USA".

As long as Texas is in a mutually beneficial relationship with Washington D.C., then there will be no problems. However, if things continue to deteriorate and Washington continues to screw us, well then Succession is not out of the realm of possibilities.

Texas is one of the few States in the Union that even has a remote chance of going it alone. We control the majority of oil, High Tech, food production and medicine, just to name a few. We still have a strong economy and our State is not about to go bankrupt.

This Poll that says 75% of Texans wish to stay in the Union is probably true. We have not felt the effects of the recession/depression like other parts of the country. However, if the rest of the Union starts to go down in flames, because of the irresponsible politicians in D.C.,and it starts to drag Texas down, then I guarantee you that we Texans will take matters into our own hands.

DON'T MESS WITH TEXAS!
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Texas will not be the first to leave the Union

But there will be a first
someone has to be first

and yes there will be a war of sorts as a Civil War
but it will be quite 'Civil' with a minimum of shots fired
(as compared to the last 'Civil War' at least)

It is an evolutionary thing
This nation is supposed to be a Union of States not a number of states under submission
the Return to being a Union instead of a Tyranny will also bring forth 'States' as being a 'Union' of individuals thus bringing forth the concept of Sovereignty of individuals.

This all will take time
there is much to have to happen along the way


But it will happen and in soon enough time that you might even remember having read this post
and have already been told
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Does anyone smell a Bush behind this secession idea ?



Nope. Hijacking and manipulation by Rick Perry, yes. There are about thirty states with serious secession movements. Last I checked, freedom means charting your won destiny. The federal government is out of control and has made We the People the enemy. Thomas Jefferson left us some wise words about what to do about that.


Yes, my Uncle Tom was a very bright man.

Couldn't help but think out loud about the Bush. And, I also agree that Rick Perry is only trying to hijack a movement that has nothing to do with him, or his political ambitions.
 Quoting: Texas Uncensored



Hey, TU, that was I, susano :) :hugs:

IMO, the feds are so corrupt, so rotten to the core, that there will be no no fixing it. It's like trying to reform Satan, lol. For this reason, I think the slowling building secession movement is great. Maybe out of this, new and brilliant people will emerge, like your ancestors!

Local control is the only control. When the politicians are our neighbors, we have recourse! Places like San Francisco vcan be ther own gay, socialist, city states without bugging anyone else of more conservative bent. I am pretty sure that every place would use the Bill of Rights as a foundation, and we could be rid of these filthy criminals in DC. As for the local criminals, we'll know where they live.
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Does anyone smell a Bush behind this secession idea ?
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Yes, and Fox Noise. Its funny how when the REPUGS controlled things under Bush they could tear this country to its core including EXPANDING GOVT. and SOCIALIST CORPORATE PROGRAMS, and not a peep from any of their dipshit followers.

Now only three months in and they're ready to start a fuggin Civil WAR!
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Does anyone smell a Bush behind this secession idea ?



Nope. Hijacking and manipulation by Rick Perry, yes. There are about thirty states with serious secession movements. Last I checked, freedom means charting your won destiny. The federal government is out of control and has made We the People the enemy. Thomas Jefferson left us some wise words about what to do about that.



there are about 30 states who want to make their useless eater population someone else's problem. 30 little christian theocracies and an abbot of citeaux to rule them all. should be good comedy when the bible nazis start imposing on the plebes.
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I live in a rural, conservative part of Michigan. Lots os farmers. The rule in these parts is MYOB. Nobody gives a shit if you're gay, liberal, straight, or what your beliefs are. It's a matter of respecting the rights and freedoms of your neighbor. There is virually no crime here, either. I have lived in the heart of Los Angeles, where crime is high, worthless bureaucrats suck off everyone else, and there are lots of restaurants. Whatever blows your hair back. Just don't tread on me.
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