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A Possible Explanation For The Pirate Situation

 
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Somali-Canadian poet, rapper and musician says the Somali hijacking is in part a response to multinational companies dumping nuclear waste in his country.
 Quoting: [link to www.infowars.com]

People have been saying the allied fleet seems far overpowered and the whole situation overall seems unusual, as though the real reason for these massive naval deployments is being covered up.

If the pirate vessel in the news now is sitting idle, facing off against a small armada - with the pirates dispatching even more to contend with the allied fleet, the pirates must have a reason to be so bold. Maybe the pirates have more leverage than a single hostage. Maybe, in fact, one or more dirty bombs made from materials scavenged from that nuclear waste dump are enabling the pirates to hold thousands, or even hundreds of thousands if not millions hostage.

If the pirates have improvised radiological dispersal devices, and the allies don't know where they're located or can't get to them without tipping off the pirates - well maybe that's why several countries have already paid the pirates ransom. Maybe that's why the allied fleet has yet to make any aggressive moves against the inferior pirate forces. Maybe that's why so many countries have dispatched ships, and why so many powerful ships are there.

After all - the media reports that there's only one hostage. That means only one ship has a friendly on board - all others are filled with enemies. Yet the allied fleet hasn't sunk any ships even though it has other pirate vessels in sight, including "the pirate mothership." You might say "well they don't want to attack any pirate ships because the hostage ship might kill the hostage if they do." You forget that the hostage was taken only recently, and they've had plenty of time to sink ALL pirate ships before this ever happened. But they didn't.

I say the pirates have no container ship captain as a hostage, and I think it's quite possible that they do indeed have one or more dirty bombs on hair trigger.

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Dirty Bombs are pretty much useless
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Dirty Bombs are pretty much useless
 Quoting: Nikki_LaVey

Says you and nobody else. When living tissue is exposed to radiological isotopes the cellular structure rapidly begins to break down, and there's no "cure." When you hear about what a nuclear war would be like, and people say that the people who died in the blasts would be the lucky ones, it's this that they're talking about.

Radiation sickness. Your hair and teeth begin falling out, your skin pales. Your organs begin to liquefy, and you die a death similar in experience to that of cancer but much more severe in the anguish.

If radiological material is released in a densely populated area, or say, perhaps into a water supply - you're gonna have a lot of terminally ill patients on your hands. That's especially true if a large amount of material was dispersed.

Your hear the government speak of the threat posed by a dirt bomb made from the small amount of radiological material in hospital waste - imagine how widespread the effects could be with the material which could be acquired from a nuclear waste dump.

...How many people would you say are in downtown LA right now and how many customers does your local water company have? Compare that to the mere 3,000 deaths on 9/11.

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I already suggested this yesterday in a thread

Thread: ALERT!! The Somali Pirate Situation IS MORE Than It Appears
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In any case, even if the pirates only acquired a small amount of radiological material, the resulting death toll would be far greater than one American captain.
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 Quoting: Nikki_LaVey

Hmm, interesting. Looking over some DOD reports and they seem to agree, noting that a large amount of radiological material would be needed to make it a WMD, as well as an expert in creating sophisticated weapons in order to ensure it disburses its payload over a large distance. So possible but unlikely.

I should've considered that though. It is rather obvious when you think about it isn't it.
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You know on second thought even if the pirates had a huge amount of heavily radioactive material and an effective delivery method - even if the Pirates could stand to severely damage or kill thousands - why would the governments care? It would be unprecedented for them to be so concerned for the wellbeing of their people.

So I suppose if there is a conspiracy in this it would have to be something else entirely.
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It all comes down to people enforcing there will upon others.
Freedom in any way is an illusion.
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It all comes down to people enforcing there will upon others.
Freedom in any way is an illusion.
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 623708

Your statement has obvious merit but isn't entirely true. If we agree that Freedom is the ability to choose and to act without any form of restriction or hindrance, then it's entirely possible. But of course the chief factor in why such an anarchist utopia will never exist in any society is because human nature compels every person to, as you put it, "enforce their will upon others." That means the only way to have absolute freedom (aside from, for instance, the "freedom" to rape or go on killing sprees, etc) in a society is to radically reprogram at very least the majority of its members. Quite an ambitious task that would be and needless to say it's very unlikely any entity will ever even try to accomplish that, much less succeed in the endeavor.

But even then, the unreprogrammed minority would most likely at some point rise up and fight for the ability to dominate others, at which point you'd require something like a benevolent monarchy to keep them from oppressing others, policing them, which would eventually lead back to where we are today. Sort've like how it's impossible to avoid fascism if your form of government has a congress (the role of the congress is to make laws, perpetually, so).

But I guess I just arguing semantics here, sort've. What does FE stand for, by the way?
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This has false flag written all over it. What ever is going on is hidden from mainstream. aCHEMS RAVOR.

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Dirty Bombs are pretty much useless
 Quoting: Nikki_LaVey


In terms of casualties, pretty much (although with enough radioactive material near a water supply,you never know), but the fear is an issue. A dirty bomb attack would fuck people's heads up.
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Actually I just remembered what I described in my previous post is rumored to have been accomplished before, and in relatively modern times at that. Commune De Paris, 1871. It's said that there were no police, no laws, no authority figures, no crime. People just gathered together and discussed their concerns, worked them out as a community through consensus. Probably helped that their society was Socialist, so there was no oligarchy, everyone made a decent living, and what hierarchy which existed wasn't in the dominating form as it is today - plus the people had just freed themselves from a tyrant, so the people weren't particularly interested in forcing anything on others.

That society of course failed very quickly, as the European monarchs realized how threatening their revolution was, at which time the German and French militaries assaulted Paris together followed by mass executions and reestablishing French governance.
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Perhaps the US Navy is waiting for more pirate vessels and crew to arrive so they can take alot of them out in one blow. If the container ship which is supposedly a new staging area for pirates is headed over to the area where the 28' long lifeboat currently is positioned it would be much more worthwhile to await its arrival and stomp on them hard.
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Obama proably gave the order to not fire on the pirates.

When the captain started swimming away they should have blown the pirates away.


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Bump

[link to news.bbc.co.uk]

>>>>Pirates caution against US rescue

Somali pirates holding US Captain Richard Phillips hostage have warned that the use of force to rescue him could result in "disaster".

The pirates said they hoped to transfer him to a bigger vessel, as US and other naval ships made their way to the area.

Capt Phillips is being held by a gang of four pirates on a lifeboat hundreds of kilometres off the Somali coast.

He tried to escape on Friday by jumping overboard and swimming to a nearby US ship, but was recaptured. <<<<<
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The pirates said they hoped to transfer him to a bigger vessel...
 Quoting: Lemoning

Well that would be the blunder of the century. Right now they have him held up in the middle of the water, on a small craft, surrounded by men with assault rifles. Marines couldn't board that boat without being shot at all the way in, and the hostage most likely being killed.

The larger the boat the more manpower and firepower needed to keep it secure and the higher the probability of the hostage surviving a rescue attempt. Maybe this is the reason the USN is allowing the other pirate vessels to approach the hostage ship. Gambling that the pirates are stupid enough to load the hostage onto a larger boat.





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