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School Breaks Law To Keep Kids From Texting

 
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SPOKANE, Wash. - Just days after testing a cell phone jammer designed to block students from calling and texting during class, a Spokane area school has scrapped the program.

Administrators at Mt. Spokane High School used the jammer during class periods last week to prevent students from texting.

The FCC has several postings on their web site related to cell phone jammers.

KHQ found one page dated June 27, 2005, that says, "the marketing sale or operation of this type of equipment is unlawful. Anyone involved with such activities may be subject to forfeitures, fines or even criminal prosecution."
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Three things come to mind:
1-It just seems wrong, generally.

2- "Ignorance of the law is not an excuse." We've all heard that before, police find themselves saying it often. Yet to my knowledge there's been no charges, the police didn't do or say anything here, nor did anyone else.

3- Considering Americans are generally dumb (basing this on IQ and test scored ranked by country), shouldn't schools be more concerned with hiring teachers able to make the kids interested in what's being taught then buying a jammer for every classroom?
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not a smart idea... they leave themselves lawsuit prone when they do stuff like that.

Funny when I was in school in the late 90's nobody had cell phones. Would be strange to see half the class texting these days.
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If I were a teacher, I'd casually walk the aisles in class and blow a head gasket, and perhaps an artery or two when I saw a cell phone.
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If I were a teacher, I'd casually walk the aisles in class and blow a head gasket, and perhaps an artery or two when I saw a cell phone.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 647240

And you'd be the typical, terrible teacher. A good instructor is not only knowledgeable of their subject but can make their students interested in it.

You shouldn't attempt to force a child to learn, you need to cause them to WANT to learn. Inspire them to learn. If you were doing that your students wouldn't be using the cellphones in the first place. Forcing them off the phones won't solve the problem of your poor teaching skills anyway - they'd still be disinterested, and would end up learning little or nothing.
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It's a stupid law, children are at school to learn not mess around. Also what about at the theatre or whatever. Why should some selfish twat be jabbering away and ruining things for other people.
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And why should the teacher even have to worry about such a problem? Parents should be making sure their child knows the rules and follows them. Simple as that.

Parent Handbook: Mt. Spokane High School
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"Student cell phone use is strictly limited to before and after school and during “PAWS” and lunch. They are always to be turned off and kept out of sight in any classroom setting. Phones visible or those that ring or vibrate during class time will be taken by the teacher to the office where they may be picked up by a parent or guardian."
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They have approx. 7 hours a day to be in school. They have all the other hours to text and be on their phones and computers.

Teachers are not entertainers and learning is serious business.

It should be perfectly legal to block their signals during class hours. There is nothing so important that they need to be texting other kids about. Most of it is nonsense and it is just another example of their rudeness and disrespect.

One writer was correct tho in saying that you cannot force anyone to learn. If a student does not show up in a teachable frame of mind, not even the best teacher in the world will have an impact.
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There is nothing so important that they need to be texting other kids about. Most of it is nonsense and it is just another example of their rudeness and disrespect.
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And another sign that parents aren`t doing their job properly, if you ask me.
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I went to high school in New York City. They tried to take our phones away at one time I remember, and with the teachers' support we organized a riot/rally to stop this from happening, and it worked. What they were going to do was on your way inside the school security was searching bags/people to see if they were bringing in cell phones and taking them and giving them away at the end of the school day.

We decided that whenever they were going to do this, we weren't going to go inside the school. The day came, they actually started searching, and we started a riot/rally outside the school. The media was there, it was a whole big story in NYC. We got them to stop and things became normal again.

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what parent lets there kid take a cell to school lol.

hell kids at 12 13 14 wouldnt get one from me lol

cells shouldnt be allowed in school, if you get caught with it then you get suspended, guess thats to late huh? lol

i would never ever waist my money on a cell for me nor my kid.

we did without years ago and would do fine without now.
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not a smart idea... they leave themselves lawsuit prone when they do stuff like that.

Funny when I was in school in the late 90's nobody had cell phones. Would be strange to see half the class texting these days.
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and they do! I can see why cell phones are a hindrance to learning. Not only that, there's "sexting" now. I try to watch a movie and my husband's cell phone is going off constantly. The ringtone song is stuck in my brain and it irritates the hell out of me.
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what parent lets there kid take a cell to school lol.

hell kids at 12 13 14 wouldnt get one from me lol

cells shouldnt be allowed in school, if you get caught with it then you get suspended, guess thats to late huh? lol

i would never ever waist my money on a cell for me nor my kid.

we did without years ago and would do fine without now.
 Quoting: rachel 529732

They can take them to school in my area. They must turn them off, though. Some still get away with texting secretly.
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There is nothing so important that they need to be texting other kids about. Most of it is nonsense and it is just another example of their rudeness and disrespect.


And another sign that parents aren`t doing their job properly, if you ask me.
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Try taking their phone from them! It's the worst possible punishment. Kids think they can't live without them now.
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yea my nephew and i had this conversation couple days ago. in pa you have to keep em in your locker. i tell my sister shes nuts for getting him his 2nd phone (hes 13). he dosnt even help her around the house, boy he would be my slave if i bought him a phone i tell her lol.

we live in a sick sick era. personaly i will never waist my money on one.
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what parent lets there kid take a cell to school lol.

hell kids at 12 13 14 wouldnt get one from me lol

cells shouldnt be allowed in school, if you get caught with it then you get suspended, guess thats to late huh? lol

i would never ever waist my money on a cell for me nor my kid.

we did without years ago and would do fine without now.
 Quoting: rachel 529732


As a parent of now grown children, I can see both sides of the equation...it is true that kids should be utillizing their phones to a minimum during class times, especially when refering to generalized chit chat with their friends.

I have to say though, as a working parent at the time, I found it comforting to know that I could be in communication with my child through text, at a moment's notice and WITHOUT having to disturb the office, the teacher, and the rest of the class, not to mention wasting my time going through vm hell just to get another human being on the phone. It gave me a feeling of being back in control where my kids were concerned as well as a sense of security when it came to the whereabouts and connection with my own child.

Edit to add: Today's day and age, I believe it also ought to provide a sense of comfort knowing that in an emergency, you have instance access to your child, especially in the event of a school lockdown during an emergency type event, or worse a school shooting. Cell phones enabled many students to have a few last comforting words from their parents during the terrorizing events of school shootings in the recent past.

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If I were a teacher, I'd casually walk the aisles in class and blow a head gasket, and perhaps an artery or two when I saw a cell phone.

And you'd be the typical, terrible teacher. A good instructor is not only knowledgeable of their subject but can make their students interested in it.

You shouldn't attempt to force a child to learn, you need to cause them to WANT to learn. Inspire them to learn. If you were doing that your students wouldn't be using the cellphones in the first place. Forcing them off the phones won't solve the problem of your poor teaching skills anyway - they'd still be disinterested, and would end up learning little or nothing.
 Quoting: Boomer

There is a lot of truth here. But, people need to learn that when you are texting while a teacher is teaching, a presenter is presenting, etc. that it is rude and disrespectful.

A teacher can create an engaging lesson but in the US if you have rude and disrespectful children then all that planning is a waste.

Now, a creative teacher can attempt to incorporate cell phones into a lesson but not every lesson.

The bottomline is: there is a time and a place for everything. A student shouldn't have to MAKE the student want to learn. A student must WANT to learn. Yes, a teacher can inspire but the decision is truly up to the student.

This is where parents come in. They set the expectations. But, as we all know, even if a parent tries to force a child to learn the child is the one who truly is in control.
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Teachers are not entertainers and learning is serious business.

One writer was correct tho in saying that you cannot force anyone to learn. If a student does not show up in a teachable frame of mind, not even the best teacher in the world will have an impact.
 Quoting: anonanon

This is the Truth!

If a student does not show up in a teachable frame of mind, not even the best teacher in the world will have an impact.

Teachers are not entertainers!

They can be entertaining but they should NOT have to resort to comedy acts, melodramas and musicals to transfer knowledge or foster thought--every day!

The students are self-motivated. They decide what is important to them and what they want to retain in their brains.

Right now! Materialism,Consumerism,Entertainment and Gaming is what they care about.
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I work for AT&T and have better solution for the parents, get parental controls onthe kids phone and disable usage during school hours. Problem solved.
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There is a lot of truth here. But, people need to learn that when you are texting while a teacher is teaching, a presenter is presenting, etc. that it is rude and disrespectful.

A teacher can create an engaging lesson but in the US if you have rude and disrespectful children then all that planning is a waste.

Now, a creative teacher can attempt to incorporate cell phones into a lesson but not every lesson.

The bottomline is: there is a time and a place for everything. A student shouldn't have to MAKE the student want to learn. A student must WANT to learn. Yes, a teacher can inspire but the decision is truly up to the student.

This is where parents come in. They set the expectations. But, as we all know, even if a parent tries to force a child to learn the child is the one who truly is in control.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 617652

A person who can't draw the attention of a crowd just shouldn't take on a role of responsibility which requires that ability in order to be effective. I remember having three types of teachers:

Entertaining, exciting ones who everyone loved to listen to. Nobody ever seemed bored by what they had to say and many were sad when the class came to an end, wanting to hear more.

Horribly boring or generally unpleasant ones. For instance I recall a time when an unpleasant Adv Algebra teacher was discussing a formula, I raised my hand and explained that I didn't get it. She asked which part, I responded "All of it." She then informed me that she didn't "have time" to go over it, and once more rejected to go over it again quickly in between classes. She had a terrible attitude (she was a jerk), didn't seem to be in the business because she loved teaching - and like 1/4 of the class ended up with failing marks that semester. Then there's the teachers who're better suited to be mattress salesmen, winning sales by racing to talk customers to sleep to prove how "comfortable the mattress is." We're talking about the Ben Steins (no charisma or spirit) and those who just don't even try - the long winded lectures are things you've already heard and tested on before, she isn't providing very informative answers to your questions, nothing's even remotely interesting in the way she's teaching the material, and you swear that you've already twice read through the chapter she's saying to read.

Then of course there's the generic teacher. We've all had teachers from each of these categories and the entertaining ones we learned much from while the others we didn't. A science teacher who leaves the students yawning tears as she discusses the wonders of the universe in a way which can't be mistaken as anything other than absolutely pedantic, or a history teacher who leaves his students concluding the American Revolution was a trivial matter, just shouldn't be teaching. I mean that's taking a bowl of icecream and making everyone say "yuck" at it.

You can't walk up to somebody, start talking to them, realize that they're bored by what you're saying and how you're saying it, then blame your VICTIM. Beating someone senseless then complaining about the blood doesn't work.

Each subject in school can be absolutely fascinating, and when the instructor doesn't lame them up, the kids will flock to hear what story he/she is going to tell today. If you're a teacher and can't help but to make everything seem horrifyingly lifeless, then you should resign and make room for someone who can. Not blame the kids for being bored when boredom is a natural response to that which is boring.

The phones are NOT the root of the issue, but are only one of many results of it.

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I can see why a parent would want a kid to have a cell phone for emergencies going to and from school.

I don't see why a parent would have to text a child at school just to check in with them.

So I do not favor banning kids from having the phones, just from using them in the classroom just because they want to.

As for the kids, they don't understand just how many kids in the world wish they could be in a classroom but are not because they have to work to eat, or they live in a bombed out war zone or they are just too poor or they are street kids who got tossed out in the streets at an early age.

American kids are incredibly lazy and lax when it comes to learning. They think all they have to do is be in class to get a passing grade - and too often we let them rather than have to deal with the angry parents and kids.

Too many of our teens don't know much of anything and what is worse is that they don't really want to know anything.

Most American kids are no longer raised to even know what acceptable behavior is - in the classroom or anywhere else. They are over-indulged in all sorts of ways and then we wonder why we end up with a bunch of rude, crude, and boorish kids who continue to be that way past their teenage years.

Yes, some teachers should leave the profession and others could certainly be better. However, most are at least good enough.

The real difference between a good teacher and a bad one is that anyone can have a bad day or week or month. But the bad teacher never has a good one.
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Here is the problem that the schools face.

They are pressured by the 'no child left behind' act that they MUST show that students are learning.

This of course is measured by test scores, and passing grades.

Now in my day, you were given an assignment and it was up to you to get the work done, or fail.
Failure back then hurt one person, and one person only,YOU.

Now, the schools are faced with the situation where students don't want to learn. They don't want to study.
Unfortunately the student that refuses to study or pay attention is not only hurting themselves but the reputation of the teacher and the school.

If the schools and the teachers wern't bound by such socalist rules, then they would be able to do their job, and the student would either take it upon themselves to do the work, or fail like they should.

Unfortunately failure is not an option any more, and no matter how little energy a student puts into learning, the schools and teachers are still bound by the socialist engineered system that "it's their fault."

Don't blame the teachers. Blame the communist influences that have run amok in our government.

I say let the kids text to their hearts content, but when they don't spend the needed energy it takes to learn the curriculum, then fail their sorry little asses.
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In my college class, the instuctor brings out his grade book and deducts points from your grade if you are texting, or if you get calls disturbing his lecture.

It's effective. Most just turn off their phones during class.
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Text in my class and I'll break your fingers.

Go right ahead and try me, punk.
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In my college class, the instuctor brings out his grade book and deducts points from your grade if you are texting, or if you get calls disturbing his lecture.

It's effective. Most just turn off their phones during class.
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Thats a great idea. The difference is that your college professor isn't bound by 'no child left behind'.
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If I were a teacher, I'd casually walk the aisles in class and blow a head gasket, and perhaps an artery or two when I saw a cell phone.

And you'd be the typical, terrible teacher. A good instructor is not only knowledgeable of their subject but can make their students interested in it.

You shouldn't attempt to force a child to learn, you need to cause them to WANT to learn. Inspire them to learn. If you were doing that your students wouldn't be using the cellphones in the first place. Forcing them off the phones won't solve the problem of your poor teaching skills anyway - they'd still be disinterested, and would end up learning little or nothing.
 Quoting: Boomer


Amen. Texting is today's equivalent of 'doodling', passing notes, etc.

Learning can be a lot of fun. Make it like a boring chore and it will be treated like one.





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