Chinese Develop Special "Kill Weapon" to Destroy U.S. Aircraft Carriers | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 634750 United States 03/31/2009 09:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A missile flying at Mach 2, 20 feet above the water, may not even be seen by radar until it's too late. Conceptually, this is the beauty of the assymetrical approach. Why spend trillions developing carrier groups and instead invest in missile technology? That's what Russia (and China) decided to do a long time ago. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 647238 United States 03/31/2009 09:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The banksters and no one wants a nuc war. That would be the end of everything for centurys. Nucs have always only been a smokescreen. The real weapon will be pandemics. The people running the world are stupid like alot of ex-military morons. |
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User ID: 359198 United States 03/31/2009 09:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Fucking Idiots. Handguns are a skill; shotguns an art; rifles a science. _____________________________________ Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner. Disarmament is the precursor to Genocide. Better to take action now rather than chances later. Your choice. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 612256 United States 03/31/2009 09:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to tri.army.mil] some of you folks just dont get it!!!! my Navy is not putting our primary Navy force out there like a sitting duck!!! u just don't have a clue!!! ice |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 647156 Brazil 03/31/2009 09:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Meanwhile, millions and millions of Americans have lost their jobs and their homes, people are living in tents, and we're going another $3.7 billion in the hole every day, with no end in sight. National Debt Clock [link to www.brillig.com] What sort of fancy whiz bang weapon do we have to defeat that? What good is all this overpriced Star Wars death toy crap going to do us when we're all standing in the breadline? |
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User ID: 2694 United Kingdom 03/31/2009 09:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | China has these amazing weapons. The US may or may not be able to stop them. Doesn't matter. See, the US has a problem. These mega carriers are lame ducks. Why? Because they are "all your eggs in one basket" errors. And here is why: China can manufacture a vast amount of these missiles. The US can shoot down as many as they desire. All that China needs to be able to do is shoot many of them very quickly and in a sustained manner because.. . . . Only ONE needs to succeed. If just ONE gets through the US defences, a major blow is struck because the aircraft carrier is then wounded if not sunk. Thereafter it's a simple matter for China to sink it completely once the first solid strike is in. The US has 1000s of personnel on board and all those aircraft, whether in the sky or on deck, it doesn't matter. If the carrier goes down, then entire fleet of aircraft is taken out as well as the huge array of functions that the aircraft carrier performs. It is impossible for the US to churn out vast numbers of these carriers and even if it did, it wouldn't be possible to staff them. And even if they did, then it wouldn't be possible to deploy them. And even if they did, the huge gains obtained by sinking them with the massive loss of capacity for the sake of a few missiles makes it a complete no-brainer for the Chinese. So all that they need to do is have a missile that is difficult to shoot down. Not impossible. Not capable of avoiding all the US secret defences. Just difficult. That's it. And then they need to do what China does very, very well: Produce a large number of them. Checkmate. They can rain down missiles on the US carriers knocking out huge capacity and back that up by the full force of their own military might. See, China just wants to stop the US from meddling in its backyard. The US wants a mighty war horse to send out and attack other countries. That places the US in a weaker position. The US isn't a "defence force", it's an "attack force". Defence has sod-all to do with it because no-one is going to be attacking the US in the short term and neither was it a credible threat this past 50 years. Defence is not what the machine is set up for. In fact, the US have little to no real territorial defence. It's all about attack and hostile foreign engagement in far away places. That's what the US machine is all about. Attack, not defence. Which means that it's particularly vulnerable to large knock-outs. That is why the US has failed so badly in all its recent wars. Every single one of them the US has lost or had its butt handed to it. Because it cannot handle a dispersed, country-wide warfare. The machine isn't capable of that. So China can achieve its aim because its aim is local to its borders, and that's to stop US military invasions. China is making no attempt for distance war. It's all about defence, not attack. They have no interest in attacking the US or any foreign country and they regard Taiwan as theirs anyway and its local to them. This is why China has already won that war. And let's be realistic. China's capabilities are not merely physical defence. It has the US 100% dependent on it for the entire US economy and most of what the US consumes. The US cannot start a war with China because is cannot afford to. China can take over the US without a shot being fired. It simply has to withdraw its cash. That's it. The US will collapse instantly. And even if the US somehow found a miracle way to survive that, China could just stop sending goods to the US and that would collapse the nation on so many levels it's just not worth thinking about it. No-one would risk it. Even if the US survived THAT, the rest of the world wouldn't and would be forced to isolate the US at best, because the world depends on China too. |
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User ID: 2694 United Kingdom 03/31/2009 09:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to tri.army.mil] Quoting: Icesome of you folks just dont get it!!!! my Navy is not putting our primary Navy force out there like a sitting duck!!! u just don't have a clue!!! ice Good luck. I know that you need to believe and good luck to you with that. My advice: Be on the side of peace. Did you support Bush? Did you support the Iraq invasion? Did you believe the WMD lies? The 45 minute lie? Be on the side of peace and make war unnecessary. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 647238 United States 03/31/2009 09:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Meanwhile, millions and millions of Americans have lost their jobs and their homes, people are living in tents, and we're going another $3.7 billion in the hole every day, with no end in sight. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 647156National Debt Clock [link to www.brillig.com] What sort of fancy whiz bang weapon do we have to defeat that? What good is all this overpriced Star Wars death toy crap going to do us when we're all standing in the breadline? Its all about making wall street money. Thats it in a nutshell. To hell with the simpleton sheeple. They're just moron workers. |
Witness_
User ID: 2694 United Kingdom 03/31/2009 09:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Has no one here ever heard of the Phalanx missile defense system!? It's impossible to hit an aircraft carrier with a single missile without meeting a wall of lead first. Literally a wall of lead. Quoting: IceI posted it they are amazing and run in auto 4000 rounds a min at 4 weapon systems on each carrier yep Useless. They may hit a few, but will not guarantee 100% success and that's all that it takes. After the 1st strike is through, you kiss the carrier goodbye. That simple. We brits got a taste of that in the Faulklands. We were bloody lucky not to have our arses whipped out there. Same reason. |
Witness_
User ID: 2694 United Kingdom 03/31/2009 09:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: Ice That's cool, bro. I doubt that it will be tested any time soon anyway. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 647238 United States 03/31/2009 09:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Okay, the real deal is this: Quoting: Witness_China has these amazing weapons. The US may or may not be able to stop them. Doesn't matter. See, the US has a problem. These mega carriers are lame ducks. Why? Because they are "all your eggs in one basket" errors. And here is why: China can manufacture a vast amount of these missiles. The US can shoot down as many as they desire. All that China needs to be able to do is shoot many of them very quickly and in a sustained manner because.. . . . Only ONE needs to succeed. If just ONE gets through the US defences, a major blow is struck because the aircraft carrier is then wounded if not sunk. Thereafter it's a simple matter for China to sink it completely once the first solid strike is in. The US has 1000s of personnel on board and all those aircraft, whether in the sky or on deck, it doesn't matter. If the carrier goes down, then entire fleet of aircraft is taken out as well as the huge array of functions that the aircraft carrier performs. It is impossible for the US to churn out vast numbers of these carriers and even if it did, it wouldn't be possible to staff them. And even if they did, then it wouldn't be possible to deploy them. And even if they did, the huge gains obtained by sinking them with the massive loss of capacity for the sake of a few missiles makes it a complete no-brainer for the Chinese. So all that they need to do is have a missile that is difficult to shoot down. Not impossible. Not capable of avoiding all the US secret defences. Just difficult. That's it. And then they need to do what China does very, very well: Produce a large number of them. Checkmate. They can rain down missiles on the US carriers knocking out huge capacity and back that up by the full force of their own military might. See, China just wants to stop the US from meddling in its backyard. The US wants a mighty war horse to send out and attack other countries. That places the US in a weaker position. The US isn't a "defence force", it's an "attack force". Defence has sod-all to do with it because no-one is going to be attacking the US in the short term and neither was it a credible threat this past 50 years. Defence is not what the machine is set up for. In fact, the US have little to no real territorial defence. It's all about attack and hostile foreign engagement in far away places. That's what the US machine is all about. Attack, not defence. Which means that it's particularly vulnerable to large knock-outs. That is why the US has failed so badly in all its recent wars. Every single one of them the US has lost or had its butt handed to it. Because it cannot handle a dispersed, country-wide warfare. The machine isn't capable of that. So China can achieve its aim because its aim is local to its borders, and that's to stop US military invasions. China is making no attempt for distance war. It's all about defence, not attack. They have no interest in attacking the US or any foreign country and they regard Taiwan as theirs anyway and its local to them. This is why China has already won that war. And let's be realistic. China's capabilities are not merely physical defence. It has the US 100% dependent on it for the entire US economy and most of what the US consumes. The US cannot start a war with China because is cannot afford to. China can take over the US without a shot being fired. It simply has to withdraw its cash. That's it. The US will collapse instantly. And even if the US somehow found a miracle way to survive that, China could just stop sending goods to the US and that would collapse the nation on so many levels it's just not worth thinking about it. No-one would risk it. Even if the US survived THAT, the rest of the world wouldn't and would be forced to isolate the US at best, because the world depends on China too. You have to get down to the brass tacks. Who is important in this world. The people that run it. Its all about them building a better world for themselves. And don't think that isn't the plan. |
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User ID: 2694 United Kingdom 03/31/2009 09:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You have to get down to the brass tacks. Who is important in this world. The people that run it. Its all about them building a better world for themselves. And don't think that isn't the plan. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 647238Agreed. |
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User ID: 2694 United Kingdom 03/31/2009 09:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | None of these war machines can exist without it, and nothing that these war machines do can create it. Therefore, these war machine will never be used if it risks the money. Period. |
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User ID: 2694 United Kingdom 03/31/2009 09:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In that sense, American consumers who ran up such a massive debt to China were real patriots because that debt absolutely guarantees that China won't destroy the US. These patriots also made the US totally dependent on China. So that also guarantees that the US cannot destroy China. If the US consumer had not put the US into such massive debt to China, and consumed so many Chinese goods and created such a boom in China, then hostilities could be more open and much more likely to boil over. But this debt and economic dependency means that war cannot happen. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 612256 United States 03/31/2009 09:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.youtube.com] Quoting: Witness_love this one at the end!!! Yes I do believe !!! ice That's cool, bro. I doubt that it will be tested any time soon anyway. not sure what u mean?? hope you are right about China and USA doing nothing!! that is my prayer ice |
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(OP) User ID: 2528 United States 03/31/2009 09:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | thank you for your kind words and good wishes, TheresaEl, Stang, and Witness... Ice, all my best good wishes for your son as he sets sail on the Nimitz... TO EVERYONE: i want to thank you all for your amazing comments. i've learned alot from this thread. i knew the subject was "red hot"... but i really have little knowledge about it. you all have added so much. blessings, Wasayo "Every word of God is pure: He is a shield unto them that put their trust in Him." Prov. 30:5 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 612256 United States 03/31/2009 09:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | thank you for your kind words and good wishes, TheresaEl, Stang, and Witness... Quoting: WasayoIce, all my best good wishes for your son as he sets sail on the Nimitz... TO EVERYONE: i want to thank you all for your amazing comments. i've learned alot from this thread. i knew the subject was "red hot"... but i really have little knowledge about it. you all have added so much. blessings, Wasayo I will post his Navy picture!! He has my heart and love! Our finest are out on the line and sometimes on GLP it's hard to read the words of those that hate our boy and gals on the line!!!! thanks ice |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 589291 Australia 03/31/2009 09:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | . Does everyone remember when Joe Vialls was talking about this a number of years ago? [link to www.scam.com] . |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 647238 United States 03/31/2009 09:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | thank you for your kind words and good wishes, TheresaEl, Stang, and Witness... Quoting: IceIce, all my best good wishes for your son as he sets sail on the Nimitz... TO EVERYONE: i want to thank you all for your amazing comments. i've learned alot from this thread. i knew the subject was "red hot"... but i really have little knowledge about it. you all have added so much. blessings, Wasayo I will post his Navy picture!! He has my heart and love! Our finest are out on the line and sometimes on GLP it's hard to read the words of those that hate our boy and gals on the line!!!! thanks ice YOu do realize they're not serving the american people. But the corporate banksters. Its hard to beleive that in this day and time that some folks aren't aware of that yet. If they meant to protect the american people they would be on the border of mexico years ago. NOt fighting proxy wars to make the rich richer. |
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User ID: 2694 United Kingdom 03/31/2009 09:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | not sure what u mean?? Quoting: Icehope you are right about China and USA doing nothing!! that is my prayer ice I just don't see that China and the US can get into a conflict at any time in the near future. So I am as certain as it's possible to be that at least in that scenario, your boy is safe. It doesn't matter what the toys are that the kids in the bath can throw at each other, the bottom line is that they need each other too much because of the fine American consumer that has consumed China to economic glory and borrowed the US into a massive debt pile to China. Like the banks that are "too big to fail", the US debt to China is "too big to fail" as well. If China can successfully pull its money out of the US and convert it elsewhere, then that is an entirely different situation. At that point, conflict may be possible, especially if the US is no longer a massive consumer of Chinese goods. But even if they get their money out, the US is a vast consumer of Chinese goods. Therefore China would not be able to risk war with the US. Debt and consumption are the two most powerful instruments of peace between the two countries. Had this existed with the USSR, the cold war would have been impossible. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 612256 United States 03/31/2009 09:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | YOu do realize yea I realize lots of stuff it's not a perfect system nerds cowards and pussy boys hide behind a belief and never serve!!! glad we got some gals that will go out to fight to protect your ass!! yep I realize lots of stuff!!! ice |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 612256 United States 03/31/2009 10:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So why weren't you injecting fearmongering in to this forum when the russians acknowledged their "sunburst" anti- ship missle several years ago? This is the ruskie aircraft carrier killer missle, not positive but it is supersonic+ it has been around for awhile but I guess it does not fit the social conservative agenda, as you guys are now pushing china as one of the big bad boogeymen we should all be shaking in our boots over, these guys who won't do anything to us because we will stiff them on all the money we owe them if they do something to us. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 571524nay I think you are right I got on the thread because the little boys talking down my Navy!!! we can hang with the big bad russians and china!!! it's the lib Dems that will get us in the end!!! thats funny in the end and it Franks birthday today!!! ice |
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