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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 590052 United States 03/11/2009 11:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | U.S. aircraft carrier USS John C. Stennis arrives at a South Korean naval base in Busan, about 420 km (262 miles) southeast of Seoul, March 11, 2009. The U.S. aircraft carrier made a routine port call in South Korea on Wednesday to take part in a naval drill which is part of the Foal Eagle portion of the annual Key Resolve/Foal Eagle military exercises by the U.S. and South Korea. The joint drills began on Monday and will run until March 20 across the South. (Xinhua/Reuters Photo) [link to news.xinhuanet.com] BEIJING, March 11 (Xinhua) -- Chinese President Hu Jintao on Wednesday called on the armed forces to provide mighty support for national interests and social stability. The People's Liberation Army (PLA) and the armed police shall energetically speed up the modernization of defense, resolutely safeguard the country's sovereignty, security and territorial integrity, and provide a mighty support for national interests and social stability, Hu said. Hu, also chairman of the Central Military Commission, made the remarks at a plenary meeting of PLA deputies to the National People's Congress (NPC), the top legislative body. He stressed the Party's leadership in the armed forces and called for the scientific development of defense and armed forces. The armed forces shall voluntarily serve the overall work of the Party and the country, and contribute to economic development and social stability, he added. He also told local Party committees and governments to support the development of defense and armed forces. [link to news.xinhuanet.com] |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 590052 United States 03/11/2009 11:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | War is used AROUND THE WORLD, NOT just in America . .. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1978'World' wars, 'world' economies, etc.. Yeah I know that is true....But Chinese People's Liberation Army joins up with Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK) against the USA and South Korea, it will escalate very fast... |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 590052 United States 03/11/2009 11:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The People's Liberation Army (PLA) and the armed police shall energetically speed up the modernization of defense, resolutely safeguard the country's sovereignty, security and territorial integrity, and provide a mighty support for national interests and social stability, Hu said. Hu, also chairman of the Central Military Commission, made the remarks at a plenary meeting of PLA deputies to the National People's Congress (NPC), the top legislative body. He stressed the Party's leadership in the armed forces and called for the scientific development of defense and armed forces. The armed forces shall voluntarily serve the overall work of the Party and the country, and contribute to economic development and social stability, he added. He also told local Party committees and governments to support the development of defense and armed forces. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 590052 United States 03/11/2009 12:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is funny ... The Chinese have a whole fleet of Spy ships! Quoting: Nikki_LaVeyYeah they do! I think they are waiting for the USA to shoot down the North Korean satellite, so they are planning this story in the people minds in cause they counter attack USA... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 632658 Brazil 03/11/2009 12:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is funny ... The Chinese have a whole fleet of Spy ships! Quoting: Nikki_LaVeyGuess how many cruise missiles the Chinese can put on one container ship. [link to upload.wikimedia.org] |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 590052 United States 03/11/2009 01:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Russia, China Call for Restraint on Korean Peninsula By VOA News 11 March 2009 South Korea Russia and China say they are concerned about rising tensions on the Korean peninsula, with North Korea issuing new warnings about annual military exercises by U.S. and South Korean troops. Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and his Chinese counterpart, Yang Jiechi, discussed the situation by telephone on Wednesday. Russia's Foreign Ministry says the two foreign ministers are urging the US and South Korea to avoid actions that could undermine security and stability in the region. It also says Lavrov and Yang want the dispute to be resolved peacefully through political and diplomatic means. Earlier Wednesday, North Korea's Foreign Ministry said Pyongyang will take every necessary measure to defend itself against what it called threats to its sovereignty. The ministry repeated its claim that the U.S.-South Korean military drills are preparation for an invasion. The exercises come at a time of rising tensions between the two Koreas, and growing pressure on North Korea to end its nuclear weapons program and drop plans to test a long-range missile. On Tuesday, top U.S. intelligence official Dennis Blair said he believes North Korea will go ahead with its planned space launch. Mr. Blair, the Director of National Intelligence, said the technology for the launch is the same as that used to launch a ballistic missile. North Korea has warned it will retaliate against anyone seeking to intercept what it calls a planned satellite launch. The joint U.S.-South Korean maneuvers involve a U.S. aircraft carrier, 26,000 U.S. troops and more than 30,000 South Korean soldiers. The maneuvers are scheduled to end on March 20. Russian-Chinese military exercises NATO lost |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 590052 United States 03/11/2009 01:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Q: Can you comment on accusations from the US that Chinese ships surrounded and harassed a US navy vessel in international waters? The US says the Chinese ships sailed dangerously close and threw debris in the path of the navy ship. A: The claims by the US are flatly inaccurate and unacceptable to China. On the issue of foreign ships engaging in activities in China’s exclusive economic zone, the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, Law of the People’s Republic of China on the Exclusive Economic Zone and the Continental Shelf, and Regulations of the People’s Republic of China on the Management of Foreign-Related Marine Scientific Research all have clear stipulations. The Chinese Government has always handled such activities in strict accordance with the above regulations. Engaging in activities in China’s exclusive economic zone in the South China Sea without China’s permission, US navy surveillance ship Impeccable broke relevant international law as well as Chinese laws and regulations. China has lodged solemn representations to the US. We urge the US to take effective measures to prevent similar incidents occurring in the future. Q: The US claims that this happened in international waters. Would you say that those were international waters or Chinese territory? A: I’ve clearly stated that the US ship engaged in activities in China’s exclusive economic zone without China’s permission, and broke the international law as well as Chinese laws and regulations. We have requested the US to take effective measures to prevent similar incidents occurring in the future. Q: On DPRK Premier’s visit to China, can you brief us on the purpose of the visit and detailed meeting arrangements? Are there any plans that Chinese leaders will visit the DPRK? A: Cabinet Premier Kim Yong Il of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea will pay an official goodwill visit to China from March 17 to 21. During his visit, Chinese leaders will hold meetings and talks with him. Apart from China-DPRK relations, the two sides will exchange views on international and regional issues of common concern. Arrangements about the visit are under consultation. Q: Can I go back to the naval question again? If this was an illegal act, why was it that vessels which weren’t part of the Chinese navy were used in the response to the US ship? Is it Chinese Government policy to send patrollers to deal with this kind of incursions? A: The US assertion is flatly inaccurate and unacceptable to China. China handles such activities in strict accordance with the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, Law of the People’s Republic of China on the Exclusive Economic Zone and the Continental Shelf, and Regulations of the People’s Republic of China on the Management of Foreign-Related Marine Scientific Research. Q: The DPRK said recently that it will retaliate if countries try to intercept its attempt to put a satellite into orbit. Does China have any comments on that? A: We believe that maintaining peace and stability on the Korean Peninsula is in the interests of all parties. We hope relevant parties will do more to contribute to peace and stability on the Peninsula and in the region. Q: Can you clearly explain which article of the international law that the US ship broke and which specific act of the US ship broke the international law? A: It seems that you are very interested in this issue. I think China’s position is already very clear, and I responded to the US stories. I can also tell you that China handles such issues in accordance with relevant laws and regulations. I have nothing more to add. Q:It’s reported that Prime Minister Tsvangirai of the coalition government of Zimbabwe was injured in a car accident. His wife was killed. Do you have any comment on this? A: We express deep condolences and sincere sympathy to Prime Minister Tsvangirai for the death of his wife and his injury in the car accident, and wish him an early recovery. We hope this will not affect the political reconciliation process in Zimbabwe and the coalition government of Zimbabwe will continue to run smoothly. Q: I want to go back to the question of the US surveillance ship. You did mention a number of laws. Could you clarify what specific parts of the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea and Chinese laws of the sea are concerned so that we can refer to it and see on paper to know what you are talking about? A:While answering the questions, I mentioned three laws: UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, Law of the People’s Republic of China on the Exclusive Economic Zone and the Continental Shelf, and Regulations of the People’s Republic of China on the Management of Foreign-related Marine Scientific Research. I suggest you go back to do some homework, reading these laws carefully, and you will thereby find the answer you want. Q: Can you characterize the nature of this dispute? It took years to overcome the fictions between the two countries after the EP-3 incident last time. Is it something that will remain in the military sphere or will endanger the overall relationship? A: The facts of the EP-3 incident were clear. I do not want to make more comments here again. On the incident of Impeccable, the US Navy surveillance ship, this time, I have already made China’s view and position clearly. I have nothing more to add. Q: Two questions. The first one is about the ship conflict in the South China Sea. Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi is currently visiting the United States. Will his trip be affected by the incident? Will this question be raised during his talks with the US side? What else will they discuss? Second, Sudan has begun expelling some of the international aid organizations after the International Criminal Court issued an arrest warrant for Sudanese President Bashir. Can you comment on this? A: At the invitation of US Secretary of State Hilary Clinton, Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi has set out on a journey to the United States. The purpose of the trip is to prepare for the meeting between President Hu Jintao and President Obama during the London G20 Financial Summit in early April. During his visit, Minister Yang will have an in-depth exchange of views with the US side on China-US relations and international and regional issues of common interest. On your second question, China has taken note of the decision made by the Sudanese Government and the concerns of the United Nations. It is our hope that the UN can have thorough consultations with the Sudanese Government, so as to ensure the humanitarian situation in the Darfur region will not be affected. Q: Also on the naval vessel issue. If the US side were to stop its activities in the South China Sea, will China consider that the incident is over? Or does it have anything to do with recent reports saying that the US Congress may approve more arms sales to Taiwan? A: Regarding this incident, China has lodged a solemn representation to the United States. We urge the US side to take effective measures to prevent such incident from happening again. On the issue of arms sales to Taiwan, our position is clear and consistent. We are resolutely opposed to the US arms sales to Taiwan. The position remains unchanged. Q: China and the United States have earlier resumed military dialogues. Will this incident have any impact on China-US military cooperation or dialogues? A: You have asked many questions from different angles on this incident, and I have answered all of them. I have no more additions to make. If there are no more questions, thank you. See you! [link to www.fmprc.gov.cn] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 389636 Canada 03/11/2009 01:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This will not be a flash in the pan. It will be a flash in the wok until the head chef flips out and starts throwing meat cleavers and assorted paring knives at the patrons of this fine global Chinese restaurant. One thing for sure, everybody pays at this joint. And it's fried rice you plick. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 590052 United States 03/11/2009 01:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This will not be a flash in the pan. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 389636It will be a flash in the wok until the head chef flips out and starts throwing meat cleavers and assorted paring knives at the patrons of this fine global Chinese restaurant. One thing for sure, everybody pays at this joint. And it's fried rice you plick. Yep, they have just been stirring the wok since the USA spy plane crash with plane and landed in China in 2000, and since Washington and Beijing are strained over issues such as human rights and U.S. support for Taiwan. The USA has had other close calls with Iranian Revolutionary Guard boats "harassed and provoked" three U.S. Navy ships last year... There is only so much the world is going to take. Is the USA really getting "harassed and provoked" or are they just crying wolf? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 623175 Australia 03/11/2009 01:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "It's like a man with a criminal record wandering just outside the gate of a family home. When the host comes out to find out what he is doing there, the man complains that the host had violated his rights," Jin said. best news quote ever !!!!!!!!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 515251 United States 03/11/2009 02:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Isn't it funny how the Chinese love for Americans to buy their inferior poisoned products. But get all testy about an UNARMED ship in International waters. And besides..if they make their guns and their war machines with the same precision that they do their Dollar Store crap..there's no need to worry. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 590052 United States 03/11/2009 02:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "It's like a man with a criminal record wandering just outside the gate of a family home. When the host comes out to find out what he is doing there, the man complains that the host had violated his rights," Jin said. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 623175best news quote ever !!!!!!!!! Yeah, China sounds like they are calling the USA criminals, like Iran, Venezuela, North Korea, and many Muslims! I think DPRKs relation with strengthen with China over this latest incident. DPRK (Democratic People's Republic of Korea) Cabinet Premier Kim Yong Il Is to Visit China March 17 to 21. Is it the straw that broke the camels back, or shall I say the dragons back? |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 590052 United States 03/11/2009 02:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Isn't it funny how the Chinese love for Americans to buy their inferior poisoned products. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 515251But get all testy about an UNARMED ship in International waters. And besides..if they make their guns and their war machines with the same precision that they do their Dollar Store crap..there's no need to worry. sure all would have been fine and dandy, if we Americans didn't get outraged over the dog/cat food poisoning (melamine/cyanuric acid )products from China.... That was the start of the whole whistling blowing on China's inferior poisoned products... If we said nothing, it would have been business as usual... But to many people boycotted China made products....I guess that hurt their economy? |
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User ID: 629883 United States 03/11/2009 02:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is funny ... The Chinese have a whole fleet of Spy ships! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 590052Yeah they do! I think they are waiting for the USA to shoot down the North Korean satellite, so they are planning this story in the people minds in cause they counter attack USA... I very much doubt that. How would they get their Army to the United States Unnoticed? How Can You Be Two Places At Once When You're Not Anywhere at all |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 389636 Canada 03/11/2009 02:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is such a non-story. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 631969Media is trying to invent new boogeymen at the behest of CFR, to keep your mind off the fact you are in foreclosure, no 401K, no job and no possibility of getting one. No. Military operations are always under way simply because of the fact that political operations only have such limited range and scope. This particular incident in its very own context, ramps up international and specifically, pan-asian tensions. You should also keep in mind the very likelihood that there will be a concurrent flashpoint in the near region once operations go sharp. It will be simultaneous. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 632658 Brazil 03/11/2009 02:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is such a non-story. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 389636Media is trying to invent new boogeymen at the behest of CFR, to keep your mind off the fact you are in foreclosure, no 401K, no job and no possibility of getting one. No. Military operations are always under way simply because of the fact that political operations only have such limited range and scope. This particular incident in its very own context, ramps up international and specifically, pan-asian tensions. You should also keep in mind the very likelihood that there will be a concurrent flashpoint in the near region once operations go sharp. It will be simultaneous. With economies tanking all over the world, and corrupt governments looking for ways to distract the citizens from rebellion, war always looms it's ugly head. It's a very effective relief valve. If the citizens are busy killing someone else, they're not coming after you with a pitchfork and a rope. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 590052 United States 03/11/2009 02:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is such a non-story. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 631969Media is trying to invent new boogeymen at the behest of CFR, to keep your mind off the fact you are in foreclosure, no 401K, no job and no possibility of getting one. We all know about the world economy....I don't listen to MSM, only interested in the USA's consistent cries of harassments, provocations, and violation of rights..( Iraq war, Abu Ghraib and Camp Gitmo in Guamtomano violation of rights) But the USA cries fowl when they get caught. Things like thing only create stronger ties, and it won't be with the USA....They seem to be hanging themselves lately! Got rope.... |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 590052 United States 03/11/2009 02:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is such a non-story. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 389636Media is trying to invent new boogeymen at the behest of CFR, to keep your mind off the fact you are in foreclosure, no 401K, no job and no possibility of getting one. No. Military operations are always under way simply because of the fact that political operations only have such limited range and scope. This particular incident in its very own context, ramps up international and specifically, pan-asian tensions. You should also keep in mind the very likelihood that there will be a concurrent flashpoint in the near region once operations go sharp. It will be simultaneous. ditto |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 590052 United States 03/11/2009 02:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is funny ... The Chinese have a whole fleet of Spy ships! Quoting: Nikki_LaVeyYeah they do! I think they are waiting for the USA to shoot down the North Korean satellite, so they are planning this story in the people minds in cause they counter attack USA... I very much doubt that. How would they get their Army to the United States Unnoticed? That's a no brainer..... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 593773 Canada 03/11/2009 02:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | until they stop copying everything from everybody with no shame. They should shut the fuck up. Alot of companies would be doing alot better if they could sell the products they researched, financed and patented, instead of seing everybody buying a cheap chinese copy. |
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User ID: 629883 United States 03/11/2009 02:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is funny ... The Chinese have a whole fleet of Spy ships! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 590052Yeah they do! I think they are waiting for the USA to shoot down the North Korean satellite, so they are planning this story in the people minds in cause they counter attack USA... I very much doubt that. How would they get their Army to the United States Unnoticed? That's a no brainer..... Really How? How Can You Be Two Places At Once When You're Not Anywhere at all |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 631969 United States 03/11/2009 02:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You folks don't get it. This is media hype to ramp up the next "red menace" in case the stimufuck doesn't work and the ChiCom's come calling for their $$$$$$, which we don't have (by the way) and by monetizing the debt (through the Fed) we effectively devalue our own currency, which pisses off people who are heavily vested in Treasuries, namely China. Stop drinking the koolaid and wake up. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 590052 United States 03/11/2009 03:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is funny ... The Chinese have a whole fleet of Spy ships! Quoting: Nikki_LaVeyYeah they do! I think they are waiting for the USA to shoot down the North Korean satellite, so they are planning this story in the people minds in cause they counter attack USA... I very much doubt that. How would they get their Army to the United States Unnoticed? That's a no brainer..... Really How? I don't know how war strategies, maneuvers & military tactics go...You could strategically station troops, if you have a navy, place subs/ships/air force, troops ready on alert. Stratigraphical would be off the pacific coast, Canada, Mexico/Venezuela....Create a diversion, say a launching of a test satellite , DPRK maybe...Or start a skirmish to get the enemy troops on some wild goose chase. Send a EMP at the same time, knocking out the enemies comms...While they are diverted, move in..Or plunge them into economic chaos...War is expensive, but to the victor goes the spoils... It could be anything at this point... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 632801 United States 03/11/2009 03:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wait until the Chinese military starts to become a real match to the US's in about a decade, particularly their navy when near their own waters. This is just a precursor to what the Chinese mindset is going to be ... and why the China and the US are eventually going to be brought right to the edge of a major conflict ... or possibly engage in one. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 590052 United States 03/11/2009 04:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wait until the Chinese military starts to become a real match to the US's in about a decade, particularly their navy when near their own waters. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 632801This is just a precursor to what the Chinese mindset is going to be ... and why the China and the US are eventually going to be brought right to the edge of a major conflict ... or possibly engage in one. China is buying aircraft carriers from Russia! Russia is arming Iran, China, and making alliances with NK... Can you imagine the strategic maneuvers when they launch an attack if they decided to...We would be surrounded. |