Question for The Vegans/Veggies

It would be possible to use your argument to justify doing nothing about anything - war, child cruelty, injustice... conspiracies?



Not really, because they are inherantly human affairs, based on human social structure and our relationship to other members of our species.

Everybody knows animals are not our species, so to treat them as equally important is something that is pretty unlikely given the ethical question and need.

I dont think its impossible, but you have to admit, its certainly less likely that everybody will turn Veg/Vegan than it is for world peace.

If you can see that, im afraid you have not observed the human race and history much.

The moral superiority is that I take less life than a meat eater.

You realize that we basically have the same DNA with only minor fractions of differences...

I do not intentionally take any life.

The moral superiority is that I take less life than a meat eater.



You cant prove that though.

Its an ethical and moral stalemate, which raises the question of why bother in the first place, as ethically and morally you are no better off.

The moral superiority is that I take less life than a meat eater.



You cant prove that though.

Its an ethical and moral stalemate, which raises the question of why bother in the first place, as ethically and morally you are no better off.


Well yes I am better off because even if it were the case that I take as much life as a meat eater does it doesn't change the intention which is to try to take no life. If I take life it is despite my best efforts whereas you take life because of your best efforts.

Perhaps the difference between manslaughter and murder?

Can you honestly say an animal has more right to life than a plant?

Do you know how bourgeois and selfish and self centered a person is who has emotional food "preferences.?

Do you know how many people in the world have no choice?

Do you know what you are saying about people that got us to this point without the luxury of "choosing." They had to survive on what there was - you hypocritical spoiled bastards.

Do you know what you are saying about Inuit lifestyles and others who cannot order up their food from another country -

you hypocritical bourgeois and selfish bastards.

(at what cost to the planet I might add!!!!!!! transporation - polution) so you can indulge your freaky ideas.)

Do you know what happens when everyone goes bourgeois and selfish with their personal preference, those food animals go extinct right away... why keep them around?

Do you know who subsidizes your selfish freakish habits? - meat eaters.

Morality... Yes, it is better to treat all food with the greatest of care and respect. That has nothing to do with the issue. That is another issue.

At the end of the day "every animate creature" is food... including YOU.

That is the reality of being an earth creature.

You vegitoids make me puke - carrot bits.

Can you honestly say an animal has more right to life than a plant?


Can you honestly say that you have more right to life than an animal?

well go take a walk in a jungle or river bank with crocs and ask them if its immorale to take a person for a meal.

I dont think anyone can take the morale high ground on this, Think of how many wild animals are displaced and killed to clear land for veggies to be planted, and how many are trapped and killed so they wont eat those veggies
so you vegans are responsible for tose lifes ou know.

No different then me sitting down eating a nice big thick medium rare rib steak and bakedtater.

Every choice has consequences its a fact of life, but to force your choice on others is wrong.

Do you know how bourgeois and selfish and self centered a person is who has emotional food "preferences.?

Do you know how many people in the world have no choice?

Do you know what you are saying about people that got us to this point without the luxury of "choosing." They had to survive on what there was - you hypocritical spoiled bastards.

Do you know what you are saying about Inuit lifestyles and others who cannot order up their food from another country -

you hypocritical bourgeois and selfish bastards.

(at what cost to the planet I might add!!!!!!! transporation - polution) so you can indulge your freaky ideas.)

Do you know what happens when everyone goes bourgeois and selfish with their personal preference, those food animals go extinct right away... why keep them around?

Do you know who subsidizes your selfish freakish habits? - meat eaters.

Morality... Yes, it is better to treat all food with the greatest of care and respect. That has nothing to do with the issue. That is another issue.

At the end of the day "every animate creature" is food... including YOU.

That is the reality of being an earth creature.

You vegitoids make me puke - carrot bits.


Do you know that everyone in the world could be fed with ease if we didn't dedicate a disproportionate percentage of land and water to raising animals?

I believe the amounts involved are something like 1 acre of land that is used to raise cattle will produce 1 pound of protein, whereas the same acre of land used to grow soy beans will provide 17 pounds of protein.

Who is selfish here?

Have you ever had to shift for yourself - in a real world - in winter, where do you think all food comes from - it is all the same what you eat at the molecular level. Forests are being mowed down to plant your stinking fodder. specie are going extinct, unless they are useful - as food.

Get a grip. You can have your preference because it is served to you. Do you sit on a silk cushion and ring a little bell?

Dead weight!

You fail to question the ethics of the treatment of the animals.


I dont care.

Cruel maybe.

Nessesary, probably.

Right or wrong, i have no idea, how do you define right and wrong.

All i care about is my own survival, anything else is unimportant unless it makes my survival easier.

Have you ever had to shift for yourself - in a real world - in winter, where do you think all food comes from - it is all the same what you eat at the molecular level. Forests are being mowed down to plant your stinking fodder. specie are going extinct, unless they are useful - as food.

Get a grip. You can have your preference because it is served to you. Do you sit on a silk cushion and ring a little bell?

Dead weight!


Lol, I live on a farm - where do you live?

Most forestry that is being destroyed in the world is being destroyed for grazing for cattle, not to grow arable crops.

Now about that silk cushion - let me tell you about the plight of silk worms... lol

well go take a walk in a jungle or river bank with crocs and ask them if its immorale to take a person for a meal.

I dont think anyone can take the morale high ground on this, Think of how many wild animals are displaced and killed to clear land for veggies to be planted, and how many are trapped and killed so they wont eat those veggies
so you vegans are responsible for tose lifes ou know.

No different then me sitting down eating a nice big thick medium rare rib steak and bakedtater.

Every choice has consequences its a fact of life, but to force your choice on others is wrong.


Who's forcing? I'm answering the moral question that Hannibal posited at the beginning of the thread. I have made it plain that it is my moral choice, but obviously I believe that it is a superior moral choice or I wouldn't make it - who follows what they believe to be an inferior moral choice?

As far as the ground being cleared to grow food - see my above post please.

I'm personally not a vegan - I make a distinction between animals being killed for food and animals being used to produce food - a distinction that obviously vegans do not agree with and I respect their reasons for believing that.

I read it and I dont think a cattle rancher would kill rabbits and skunks or any other animal on his pasture land.any other animal that wont harm the live stock.
But agriculture farming has no choice but to elimate those animals because they eat the crop.
But go ahead and feel like you have morale highground next time you eat a big bowl of salad think of all the land cleared for it and it is a hell of a lot more then 1 acre
and dont forget all the fertilizer used and pesticides etc.
and tons of irrigation.

well go take a walk in a jungle or river bank with crocs and ask them if its immorale to take a person for a meal.

I dont think anyone can take the morale high ground on this, Think of how many wild animals are displaced and killed to clear land for veggies to be planted, and how many are trapped and killed so they wont eat those veggies
so you vegans are responsible for tose lifes ou know.

No different then me sitting down eating a nice big thick medium rare rib steak and bakedtater.

Every choice has consequences its a fact of life, but to force your choice on others is wrong.


Who's forcing? I'm answering the moral question that Hannibal posited at the beginning of the thread. I have made it plain that it is my moral choice, but obviously I believe that it is a superior moral choice or I wouldn't make it - who follows what they believe to be an inferior moral choice?

As far as the ground being cleared to grow food - see my above post please.

I'm personally not a vegan - I make a distinction between animals being killed for food and animals being used to produce food - a distinction that obviously vegans do not agree with and I respect their reasons for believing that.



I read it and I dont think a cattle rancher would kill rabbits and skunks or any other animal on his pasture land.any other animal that wont harm the live stock.
But agriculture farming has no choice but to elimate those animals because they eat the crop.
But go ahead and feel like you have morale highground next time you eat a big bowl of salad think of all the land cleared for it and it is a hell of a lot more then 1 acre
and dont forget all the fertilizer used and pesticides etc.
and tons of irrigation.

Well as the thread has gone quiet I'll take the chance to say goodnight and leave the argument until tomorrow.

well go take a walk in a jungle or river bank with crocs and ask them if its immorale to take a person for a meal.

I dont think anyone can take the morale high ground on this, Think of how many wild animals are displaced and killed to clear land for veggies to be planted, and how many are trapped and killed so they wont eat those veggies
so you vegans are responsible for tose lifes ou know.

No different then me sitting down eating a nice big thick medium rare rib steak and bakedtater.

Every choice has consequences its a fact of life, but to force your choice on others is wrong.


Who's forcing? I'm answering the moral question that Hannibal posited at the beginning of the thread. I have made it plain that it is my moral choice, but obviously I believe that it is a superior moral choice or I wouldn't make it - who follows what they believe to be an inferior moral choice?

As far as the ground being cleared to grow food - see my above post please.

I'm personally not a vegan - I make a distinction between animals being killed for food and animals being used to produce food - a distinction that obviously vegans do not agree with and I respect their reasons for believing that.



I read it and I dont think a cattle rancher would kill rabbits and skunks or any other animal on his pasture land.any other animal that wont harm the live stock.
But agriculture farming has no choice but to elimate those animals because they eat the crop.
But go ahead and feel like you have morale highground next time you eat a big bowl of salad think of all the land cleared for it and it is a hell of a lot more then 1 acre
and dont forget all the fertilizer used and pesticides etc.
and tons of irrigation.


You're kidding right? Cattle herders kill Prairie dogs with shotguns out their windows.

well go take a walk in a jungle or river bank with crocs and ask them if its immorale to take a person for a meal.

I dont think anyone can take the morale high ground on this, Think of how many wild animals are displaced and killed to clear land for veggies to be planted, and how many are trapped and killed so they wont eat those veggies
so you vegans are responsible for tose lifes ou know.

No different then me sitting down eating a nice big thick medium rare rib steak and bakedtater.

Every choice has consequences its a fact of life, but to force your choice on others is wrong.


Who's forcing? I'm answering the moral question that Hannibal posited at the beginning of the thread. I have made it plain that it is my moral choice, but obviously I believe that it is a superior moral choice or I wouldn't make it - who follows what they believe to be an inferior moral choice?

As far as the ground being cleared to grow food - see my above post please.

I'm personally not a vegan - I make a distinction between animals being killed for food and animals being used to produce food - a distinction that obviously vegans do not agree with and I respect their reasons for believing that.



I read it and I dont think a cattle rancher would kill rabbits and skunks or any other animal on his pasture land.any other animal that wont harm the live stock.
But agriculture farming has no choice but to elimate those animals because they eat the crop.
But go ahead and feel like you have morale highground next time you eat a big bowl of salad think of all the land cleared for it and it is a hell of a lot more then 1 acre
and dont forget all the fertilizer used and pesticides etc.
and tons of irrigation.


You're kidding right? Cattle herders kill Prairie dogs with shotguns out their windows.


Do you know why they kill them?
wouldnt have aything to do with there tunnels and the cattle breaking legs walking over them would it?

Vegetarians have higher ethics than carcass-eaters.

well go take a walk in a jungle or river bank with crocs and ask them if its immorale to take a person for a meal.

I dont think anyone can take the morale high ground on this, Think of how many wild animals are displaced and killed to clear land for veggies to be planted, and how many are trapped and killed so they wont eat those veggies
so you vegans are responsible for tose lifes ou know.

No different then me sitting down eating a nice big thick medium rare rib steak and bakedtater.

Every choice has consequences its a fact of life, but to force your choice on others is wrong.


Who's forcing? I'm answering the moral question that Hannibal posited at the beginning of the thread. I have made it plain that it is my moral choice, but obviously I believe that it is a superior moral choice or I wouldn't make it - who follows what they believe to be an inferior moral choice?

As far as the ground being cleared to grow food - see my above post please.

I'm personally not a vegan - I make a distinction between animals being killed for food and animals being used to produce food - a distinction that obviously vegans do not agree with and I respect their reasons for believing that.



I read it and I dont think a cattle rancher would kill rabbits and skunks or any other animal on his pasture land.any other animal that wont harm the live stock.
But agriculture farming has no choice but to elimate those animals because they eat the crop.
But go ahead and feel like you have morale highground next time you eat a big bowl of salad think of all the land cleared for it and it is a hell of a lot more then 1 acre
and dont forget all the fertilizer used and pesticides etc.
and tons of irrigation.


You're kidding right? Cattle herders kill Prairie dogs with shotguns out their windows.


Do you know why they kill them?
wouldnt have aything to do with there tunnels and the cattle breaking legs walking over them would it?


Well, that puts your statement of:

I read it and I dont think a cattle rancher would kill rabbits and skunks or any other animal on his pasture land.

to rest. You're clearly wrong.

well go take a walk in a jungle or river bank with crocs and ask them if its immorale to take a person for a meal.

I dont think anyone can take the morale high ground on this, Think of how many wild animals are displaced and killed to clear land for veggies to be planted, and how many are trapped and killed so they wont eat those veggies
so you vegans are responsible for tose lifes ou know.

No different then me sitting down eating a nice big thick medium rare rib steak and bakedtater.

Every choice has consequences its a fact of life, but to force your choice on others is wrong.


Who's forcing? I'm answering the moral question that Hannibal posited at the beginning of the thread. I have made it plain that it is my moral choice, but obviously I believe that it is a superior moral choice or I wouldn't make it - who follows what they believe to be an inferior moral choice?

As far as the ground being cleared to grow food - see my above post please.

I'm personally not a vegan - I make a distinction between animals being killed for food and animals being used to produce food - a distinction that obviously vegans do not agree with and I respect their reasons for believing that.



I read it and I dont think a cattle rancher would kill rabbits and skunks or any other animal on his pasture land.any other animal that wont harm the live stock.
But agriculture farming has no choice but to elimate those animals because they eat the crop.
But go ahead and feel like you have morale highground next time you eat a big bowl of salad think of all the land cleared for it and it is a hell of a lot more then 1 acre
and dont forget all the fertilizer used and pesticides etc.
and tons of irrigation.


You're kidding right? Cattle herders kill Prairie dogs with shotguns out their windows.


Do you know why they kill them?
wouldnt have aything to do with there tunnels and the cattle breaking legs walking over them would it?


Well, that puts your statement of:

I read it and I dont think a cattle rancher would kill rabbits and skunks or any other animal on his pasture land.

to rest. You're clearly wrong.


Maybe you should read it again slowly It clearly says they wouldnt kill and anima that does not harm there live stock.

I'm a vegetarian for my own reasons, and I'm curious why we in particular make you so angry?

well go take a walk in a jungle or river bank with crocs and ask them if its immorale to take a person for a meal.

I dont think anyone can take the morale high ground on this, Think of how many wild animals are displaced and killed to clear land for veggies to be planted, and how many are trapped and killed so they wont eat those veggies
so you vegans are responsible for tose lifes ou know.

No different then me sitting down eating a nice big thick medium rare rib steak and bakedtater.

Every choice has consequences its a fact of life, but to force your choice on others is wrong.


Who's forcing? I'm answering the moral question that Hannibal posited at the beginning of the thread. I have made it plain that it is my moral choice, but obviously I believe that it is a superior moral choice or I wouldn't make it - who follows what they believe to be an inferior moral choice?

As far as the ground being cleared to grow food - see my above post please.

I'm personally not a vegan - I make a distinction between animals being killed for food and animals being used to produce food - a distinction that obviously vegans do not agree with and I respect their reasons for believing that.



I read it and I dont think a cattle rancher would kill rabbits and skunks or any other animal on his pasture land.any other animal that wont harm the live stock.
But agriculture farming has no choice but to elimate those animals because they eat the crop.
But go ahead and feel like you have morale highground next time you eat a big bowl of salad think of all the land cleared for it and it is a hell of a lot more then 1 acre
and dont forget all the fertilizer used and pesticides etc.
and tons of irrigation.


You're kidding right? Cattle herders kill Prairie dogs with shotguns out their windows.


Do you know why they kill them?
wouldnt have aything to do with there tunnels and the cattle breaking legs walking over them would it?


Well, that puts your statement of:

I read it and I dont think a cattle rancher would kill rabbits and skunks or any other animal on his pasture land.

to rest. You're clearly wrong.


Maybe you should read it again slowly It clearly says they wouldnt kill and anima that does not harm there live stock.


You understand how punctuation works, correct?