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OBAMA ADMITS HE WAS A BRITISH CITIZEN "AT BIRTH" ~ HE IS NOT A 'NATURAL BORN' CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES

 
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OBAMA ADMITS HE WAS A BRITISH CITIZEN "AT BIRTH" - AS SUCH, OBAMA IS NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES

Barack Obama's official web site, Fight The Smears, admits he was a British Citizen at birth. At the very bottom of the section of his web site that shows an alleged official Certification Of Live Birth, the web site lists the following information and link thereto:

FactCheck.org Clarifies Barack’s Citizenship

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”

That is a direct admission Barack Obama was a British citizen "at birth".

My law suit argues that since Obama had dual citizenship "at birth" and therefore split loyalties "at birth", he is not a "natural born citizen" of the United States. A "natural born citizen" would have no other jurisdiction over him "at birth" other than that of the United States. The Framers chose the words "natural born" and those words cannot be ignored. The status referred to in Article 2, Section 1, "natural born citizen", pertains to the status of the person's citizenship "at birth".


The other numerous law suits circling Obama to question his eligibility fail to hit the mark on this issue. Since Obama was, "at birth", a British citizen, it is completely irrelevant, as to the issue of Constitutional "natural born citizen" status, whether Obama was born in Hawaii or abroad. Either way, he is not eligible to be President. Should Obama produce an original birth certificate showing he was born in Hawaii, it will not change the fact that Obama was a British citizen "at birth".


Obama has admitted to being a British subject "at birth". And as will be made perfectly clear below, his being subject to British jurisdiction "at birth" bars him from being eligible to be President of the United States.


As I have argued before the United States Supreme Court, the 14th Amendment does not confer "natural born citizen" status anywhere in its text. It simply states that a person born in the United States is a "Citizen", and only if he is "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States.

Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution of the United States:

"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

The most overlooked words in that section are: "...or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution..." You must recall that most, if not all, of the framers of the Constitution were, at birth, born as British subjects.

Stop and think about that.


The chosen wording of the Framers here makes it clear that they had drawn a distinction between themselves - persons born subject to British jurisdiction - and "natural born citizens" who would not be born subject to British jurisdiction or any other jurisdiction other than the United States. And so the Framers grandfathered themselves into the Constitution as being eligible to be President. But the grandfather clause only pertains to any person who was a Citizen... at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution. Obama was definitely not a Citizen at the time of the adoption of the Constitution and so he is not grandfathered in.

And so, for Obama or anybody else to be eligible to be President, they must be a "natural born citizen" of the United States "at birth". It should be obvious that the Framers intended to deny the Presidency to anybody who was a British subject "at birth". If this had not been their intention, then they would not have needed to include a grandfather clause which allowed the Framers themselves to be President.


If you click through to Factcheck.org, a more detailed discussion as to why Obama was a British citizen at birth explains the relevant statutes:

"When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom's dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.'s children:


British Nationality Act of 1948 (Part II, Section 5): Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth.

In other words, at the time of his birth, Barack Obama Jr. was both a U.S. citizen (by virtue of being born in Hawaii) and a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies (or the UKC) by virtue of being born to a father who was a citizen of the UKC.' "

The article goes on to state that Obama's British citizenship was transferred to Kenya as Kenya became independent from the UK and that Obama's Kenyan citizenship expired when he turned 21 years old. But none of that is relevant since the Constitution requires that every President be a "natural born citizen". The word "born" is proof positive that the status must be present "at birth". If this were not the case, then, as stated above, the Framers would not have needed to put in a grandfather clause.

The Framers recognized that even they were not "natural born citizens" and so they wrote the grandfather clause in to allow any of them to become President. But the grandfather clause only pertains to those who were Citizens at the time of the Constitution's adoption. And so, Barack Obama is not a "natural born citizen" of the United States and neither is John McCain who was born in Panama, and neither is Roger Calero who was born in Nicaragua.


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I am wondering if this wasn't know since the very beginning of the campaign and might be used to create an incident that will be used as an excuse to declare martial law?
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you can have duel citizenship and still be a natural born US citizen.
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you can have duel citizenship and still be a natural born US citizen.
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Can you? Do you know that for a fact? Got a link?

"Natural Born" is more than just being a citizen.
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If this holds true then John McCain is not a 'natural born' citizen either.

Per the constitution.
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you can have duel citizenship and still be a natural born US citizen.


Can you? Do you know that for a fact? Got a link?

"Natural Born" is more than just being a citizen.
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there are naturalized citizens who immigrated here and later become citizens. then there are natural born citizens who were either born in the United States or at least one of their parents is a US citizen.
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you can have duel citizenship and still be a natural born US citizen.
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Not if you were an Indonesian, which Obama was:
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He gave his American citizenship up because Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship. Which means he is now a naturalized citizen and ineligible to be president.
QED
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If this holds true then John McCain is not a 'natural born' citizen either.

Per the constitution.
 Quoting: PACNWguy

the senate lead by the democrats put that to rest during the primaries when they made it clear that since mccain was born to US citizens he was also a US citizen. Where you are born doesn't matter as long as at least one of your parents was a citizen at the time of your birth.
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you can have duel citizenship and still be a natural born US citizen.


Can you? Do you know that for a fact? Got a link?

"Natural Born" is more than just being a citizen.
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My sister in law was born in the Bahammas, but her parents were both US born citizens. She's a US citizen, but as I recall, they all laughed about how she could never be president because she was born in the Bahammas. Don't know.
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you can have duel citizenship and still be a natural born US citizen.

Not if you were an Indonesian, which Obama was:
[link to images.google.com]
He gave his American citizenship up because Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship. Which means he is now a naturalized citizen and ineligible to be president.
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I heard on here somewhere that kids under a certain age can't renounce their citizenship.

Is that true?
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PANCGUY , please take a deep breath and let it go !!

LET IT GO !!
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If this holds true then John McCain is not a 'natural born' citizen either.

Per the constitution.

the senate lead by the democrats put that to rest during the primaries when they made it clear that since mccain was born to US citizens he was also a US citizen. Where you are born doesn't matter as long as at least one of your parents was a citizen at the time of your birth.
 Quoting: Reece2076


Wrong. If the father was foreign, the mother had to have lived in the USA at least five years after the age of 14 before giving birth to the child.

I will repeat it again. Where Obama was born is irrelevant. We ALREADY have proof Obama became Indonesian. That means he had to give up his American citizenship, even assuming he had it in the first place.
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you can have duel citizenship and still be a natural born US citizen.

Not if you were an Indonesian, which Obama was:
[link to images.google.com]
He gave his American citizenship up because Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship. Which means he is now a naturalized citizen and ineligible to be president.
QED
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Maybe in Indonesia they only considered him to be an Indonesian citizen. But he remained a citizen in the US since we do allow duel citizenship.

What the hell is that link supposed to prove. It looks like a page in some random book.
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If this holds true then John McCain is not a 'natural born' citizen either.

Per the constitution.

the senate lead by the democrats put that to rest during the primaries when they made it clear that since mccain was born to US citizens he was also a US citizen. Where you are born doesn't matter as long as at least one of your parents was a citizen at the time of your birth.
 Quoting: Reece2076


People and senators can say what the hell they want to say but that doesnt make it true. Congress doesnt get to vote on what the constitution says.

This should come down to a "test" where the lords on the supreme court will tell us what the framers meant by 'natural born' citizen with respect to holding the office of president.

If it turns out Obama is not a natural born citizen, then it would take an amendment to the constitution ratified by all 50 states for him to hold office.

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you can have duel citizenship and still be a natural born US citizen.
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That's true, but you have to be BORN in the USA. I have a duel citizenship, but it was granted when I was 15 from my mother's country. I am American.
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you can have duel citizenship and still be a natural born US citizen.

Not if you were an Indonesian, which Obama was:
[link to images.google.com]
He gave his American citizenship up because Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship. Which means he is now a naturalized citizen and ineligible to be president.
QED

Maybe in Indonesia they only considered him to be an Indonesian citizen. But he remained a citizen in the US since we do allow duel citizenship.

What the hell is that link supposed to prove. It looks like a page in some random book.
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He went to a Muslim school IN indonesia and you have be a citizen for the school. That means his step father Soetoro adopted him, but he is Kenyan.
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you can have duel citizenship and still be a natural born US citizen.

Not if you were an Indonesian, which Obama was:
[link to images.google.com]
He gave his American citizenship up because Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship. Which means he is now a naturalized citizen and ineligible to be president.
QED



I heard on here somewhere that kids under a certain age can't renounce their citizenship.

Is that true?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 522707

Obama was adopted by his stepfather, Solo Soetero, who was Indonesian. His father HAD (I repeat: HAD) to have applied for Indonesian citizenship for Obama, according to his school registration form, which means his American citizenship MUST (I repeat: MUST) have been relinquished.
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If this holds true then John McCain is not a 'natural born' citizen either.

Per the constitution.

the senate lead by the democrats put that to rest during the primaries when they made it clear that since mccain was born to US citizens he was also a US citizen. Where you are born doesn't matter as long as at least one of your parents was a citizen at the time of your birth.


People and senators can say what the hell they want to say but that doesnt make it true. Congress doesnt get to vote on what the constitution says.

This should come down to a "test" where the lords on the supreme court will tell us what the framers meant by 'natural born' citizen with respect to holding the office of president.

If it turns out Obama is not a natural born citizen, then it would take an amendment to the constitution ratified by all 50 states for him to hold office.

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Dual Nationality

The concept of dual nationality means that a person is a citizen of two countries at the same time. Each country has its own citizenship laws based on its own policy.Persons may have dual nationality by automatic operation of different laws rather than by choice. For example, a child born in a foreign country to U.S. citizen parents may be both a U.S. citizen and a citizen of the country of birth.

A U.S. citizen may acquire foreign citizenship by marriage, or a person naturalized as a U.S. citizen may not lose the citizenship of the country of birth.U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one citizenship or another. Also, a person who is automatically granted another citizenship does not risk losing U.S. citizenship. However, a person who acquires a foreign citizenship by applying for it may lose U.S. citizenship. In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship.

Intent can be shown by the person's statements or conduct.The U.S. Government recognizes that dual nationality exists but does not encourage it as a matter of policy because of the problems it may cause. Claims of other countries on dual national U.S. citizens may conflict with U.S. law, and dual nationality may limit U.S. Government efforts to assist citizens abroad. The country where a dual national is located generally has a stronger claim to that person's allegiance.

However, dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country. They are required to obey the laws of both countries. Either country has the right to enforce its laws, particularly if the person later travels there.Most U.S. citizens, including dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States. Dual nationals may also be required by the foreign country to use its passport to enter and leave that country. Use of the foreign passport does not endanger U.S. citizenship.Most countries permit a person to renounce or otherwise lose citizenship.

Information on losing foreign citizenship can be obtained from the foreign country's embassy and consulates in the United States. Americans can renounce U.S. citizenship in the proper form at U.S. embassies and consulates abroad.

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Why do you Americans think that "duel" = "dual"?

Whatever, Obobma is a fucking fraud.

He's a lying, scumbag bastard.

He's a total fucking fraudmeister.

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My children who were born in the USA have joint passports, US and EURO{British}! I think it s time to get over this. Whether or not he was born in Hawaii, which I think he was, has not much to do with it. I believe that his real father was from the US. In any case if something was going to come out and be accepted it would have been by now. Who knows maybe the future will prove you right but you are putting too much energy into this and eventually it will make you ill. We all get the message so don't beat it into the ground or people will stop paying attention. hf
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you can have duel citizenship and still be a natural born US citizen.

Not if you were an Indonesian, which Obama was:
[link to images.google.com]
He gave his American citizenship up because Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship. Which means he is now a naturalized citizen and ineligible to be president.
QED

Maybe in Indonesia they only considered him to be an Indonesian citizen. But he remained a citizen in the US since we do allow duel citizenship.

What the hell is that link supposed to prove. It looks like a page in some random book.



He went to a Muslim school IN indonesia and you have be a citizen for the school. That means his step father Soetoro adopted him, but he is Kenyan.
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Nope. According to Indonesian law, Obama could not have dual citizenship. So he must have given up whatever citizenship he had at the time. Whichever way, he must have become a naturalized American citizen, making him ineligible to be president.
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GO FUCK YOURSELF

AND TAKE YOUR HATE WITH YOU!
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GO FUCK YOURSELF

AND TAKE YOUR HATE WITH YOU!
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LOL, ironic.
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No, you go learn something about your country you fucking ingorant moron. Give up you status as an American, and you give up the rightr to say shit like that without the KGB coming to your house to beat you half to death. You ignorant morons have no appreciation of what you have. You won't recognize how lucky you WERE, until it's gone, but it will ruined for event he good and the patriotic.
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If this holds true then John McCain is not a 'natural born' citizen either.

Per the constitution.

the senate lead by the democrats put that to rest during the primaries when they made it clear that since mccain was born to US citizens he was also a US citizen. Where you are born doesn't matter as long as at least one of your parents was a citizen at the time of your birth.
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Inauguration should be held up until legal enquiry. Mothers age also relevent. He is the same nationality as his father. He can't have dual nationality and be a natural born citizen. It's all about divided loyalties. That's the spirit of the law.

He is Kenyan. Can't you find someone born to two americans?





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